iit: Pokemon that were neglected and/or sabotaged by Game Freak but found success in either Go or the TCG

>>57920931 (OP)
In what way were they sabotaged?

Pokemon go buffed my niggas
>rampardos
Turns out speed stat being irrelevant means that it can easily take advantage of its huge attack without having to wait its turn
>aggron
Single defense stat means no gaping special defense hole for other mons to exploit, plus it doesn't have to worry about speed
Also apparently it's so good that the gym recommended party thing constantly suggests that I use 5 aggrons and a chandelure, often enough that it's become a running joke among me and the voices in my head that give me very good ideas

>>57920941
the "sabotaged" was tongue-in-cheek in OP's case. since Lanturn at least respectable in-game choice for players who are wiling to use things that aren't literally handed to them. Though in the main series PvP Lanturn's never been more than a ok in the lower tiers on its best days.
there are some pokemon Game Freak hate or doesn't respect but Lanturn isn't one of them.

>>57920974
Aggron gets suggested because, though out of non-mega/shadows/legends

>>57920941
the "sabotaged" was tongue-in-cheek in OP's case. since Lanturn at least respectable in-game choice for players who are wiling to use things that aren't literally handed to them. Though in the main series PvP Lanturn's never been more than a ok in the lower tiers on its best days.
there are some pokemon Game Freak hate or doesn't respect but Lanturn isn't one of them.

>>57920974
Aggron gets suggested more for its resistances and bulk rather than its strength as a raid attacker, though last time I checked it out of non-mega/shadows/legends it was within the top ten steel raid attackers, so the algorithm got something right

The recent move rebalances in Go were very kind to Furret

>>57920941
being from gen 2

>>57921466
>intentionally created as a joke
>accomplished more in a couple of seasons of Pokémon Go than in 20 years of of the main series
Seems to check out

Charm and Swift are a godsend in Go

Saved by Psywave

apparently noctowl got a pretty good card recently

It’s movepool in go is actually kind of insane

mud shot is so good

>>57922187
its funny how even a busted nugen evolution wasent able to save it

Can we include Masters off on the side as well? That game's redesigning Pokemon to fit specific tasks in a 3v3 context resulted in some neat implementations, albeit gacha powercreep starts to make things silly.

>>57922187
Dunsparce at least had the honor of being great in at least the first half of the game if you could manage to grab it in Dark Cave at the start.

>>57927434
Sure Masters can count.

>>57926542
It was released 20 years too late. Had it been in Gen 2 it would have been Snorlax tier amazing. hell, had it been in Gen 4 which was mostly evos for old Pokemon anyway, it would have been solid, but game freak dragged their ass for 2 decades before finally remembering Dunsparce existed just in time for powercreep to the new evo pointless

>>57923919
>got Psywave and Dynamic Punch at the same time
>also when Dynamic Punch got buffed when it was already a solid move
Grumpig really had a zero-to-hero moment. Overall though it's nice that Go's meta favors some bulk-oriented Pokemon that don't see high-level use in main series like Stunfisk, Jumpluff, the Regis (minus gigas), Swalot, Cradily, Serperior, etc.

parabolic charge

Thanks, I didn't want to assume, given that it is one of the lesser mobile games by exposure. Pardon me for posting a crew!

>>57928350
Man, I want to use Dedenne in the main games just to see what it can get away with with Parabolic Charge.

>blocks your ex card's path

Knowing TPC there's a Pokemon that didn't get to have any fame or glory at all as if they want to push a narrative against it.

>>57929094
Did you get dropped on your fucking head or something? Reread your post. Why the fuck would a company push a narrative against a children's cartoon character THEY created? You fucking autistics kill me

>>57920931 (OP)

>>57929241
The anime opened my third eye for a reason.

>>57929241
Companies hating a character or
sabotaging them to make a character they like look better is pretty common. It’s exactly what happens to Ron in the Potter series the director was a Har/mione shipper so he made Ron retarded and useless to make the other two look better.
Now, does TPC probably HATE any Pokémon? Probably not. but it’s an open secret Game Freak definitely does

>>57927728
I guess Guzzlord count then ? It was kinda great in SM TCG and in Masters it's one of the best tank in the game.

>>57929356
Game Freak is a studio comprising many different artists and developers so the premise that they unanimously hate any single character is retarded. TPC is concerned with the brand and making money so "hating" a Pokemon is antithetical to their business, if they can sell plushes figs and shirts of Wurmple to kids and manbabies they will at least try. The internet has truly skullfucked your brain into a pudding my friend

>>57929401
Game Freak doesn’t need to unanimously hate a pokemon, just one of the higher ups

>>57930046
Not even a higher up. Anyone involved in some stage of process can slip in decision and unless a supervisor gives a shit for some reason, the mon is now fucked

>>57921148
>at least respectable in-game choice
Surf, Tbolt/Thunder, Confuse Ray, T-Wave is idiot-proof and Chinchou is very cute. Lanturn could use some work to lean into the anglerfish thing more. Main issue is just realizing it's there in the first place—as far as I can tell, literally no NPC trainers use Chinchou/Lanturn
>for players who are wiling to use things that aren't literally handed to them.
It'd be one thing if it were de facto postgame because the first time you met one was in the Cerulean City Gym or something, but as far as I can tell the only way you'd ever find out it even exists is by using a guide or blind fishing luck. I'm not saying it should've been "literally handed to" players, but at least put one or the other on somebody's team so you have some way of finding out it even exists.

>>57930567
you don't really need that luck since its fairly common with the Good Rod and its found next to the house of the guy who lives it to you, so curious player would find it right away. But at the same time, I see your point it would be easy to miss going in blind since there's nothing telling the player that they HAVE to fish. Putting it on a fisherman's team makes sense

>>57930703
>since its fairly common with the Good Rod and its found next to the house of the guy who lives it to you, so curious player would find it right away.
20% in Olivine Port *specifically*. Not great, not terrible, but you'd have to be exceptionally curious, considering you've probably hooked up a Surf/Strength/Cut/Rock Smash Krabby by that point.

>>57929094
That would be Raichu after it was decided Ash's Pikachu will not ever evolve. Sure we later got Alolan Raichu but other than that they treat Kanto Raichu like it doesn't exist.

>>57930780
There’s an argument they only “gave” raichu a regional because they were trying to replace it. The overwhelming majority of pokemon that got regionals are either fodder that has single digit fans or stuff that has fans but Game Freak themselves doesn’t value

>>57927753
Dynamaic punch really helped Dusknoir too, also it’s doing well in the TCG recently too

>>57920931 (OP)
I had one in HGSS, she was fun to use.

>>57920931 (OP)
Oh wow, I forgot Chinchou line even existed. I have a planned silver play through, I’m going to snag one of those. Thanks anon

>>57930703
I’m completing dex in gold atm and I forgot this thing existed until this thread.

>>57933003
Chinchou's so good if you can get past the break-in period where she* only knows Water Gun, Supersonic, TWave, and Flail.

*not being lewd, there's just literally no reason to go with a male one in Gen 2 since sex is determined by the Attack IV, which on Chinchou/Lanturn is realistically only being used for confusion damage

>>57930567
there was that one npc in victory road infamous for using earthquake lanturn

>>57933586
Not in Gen II, which (I assumed) was the subject of the discussion

>>57933586
That's Emerald, and in Emerald you can accidentally run into Chinchou in the seaweed on a couple of routes.
Failing that, there's a clearly imaginable train of thought from "what the fuck is that" to "it doesn't have a location, but it's a big fish and there's a blank space in the 'dex before it, better check the water routes for its prevo" to "fuck it, guess I'm diving for it"

this thing's actually decent in the current TCG

>>57933586
How does that even happen? The game tel you when you try and give a move to a Pokémon that can’t learn it, meaning the devs would have had to gone would have had to give it a move it can’t know

Go

>>57927753
Bastiodon is definitely the biggest winner of the Go's Pro-Bulk gameplay

>>57934525
This may shock you, but when the devs are making NPC trainers' teams, they're not using TMs and probably don't have any guardrails at all. Somebody wanted to spice up Cooltrainer Dianne's team and was like "Yeah, Lanturn can probably learn Earthquake" and the game got published without anybody fixing it.

That's understandable, though its still weird that they thought a deep sea fish could make earthquakes though then again half the things that get earthquake make no sense.

Acid is so good

>>57920931 (OP)

>>57938836
I am once again asking for regional Mimikyu variants based on local shillmons

>>57934525
>>57937005
It is simply a Very Large lanturn.
Alternatively, a whiscash in disguise.

TCG

Go

it doesn;t have it to bad in the main series, but Go's balancing team worships it

>>57920941
Barely any trainers use it if at all, it's the same with the likes of Gliscor and Mienshao

>>57920931 (OP)
Is Seviper successful now because of this iconic comic or what?