the game quality falls off a cliff after ekruteak

>>57922548 (OP)
Something something YouTuber GameFreak sabotage zoomer level scaling

Most Pokemon games fall off by midgame. Hoenn is an exception where the midgame is the only good part of the entire game

>>57922555
No it's not even about that. Cianwood has fuck all in it, Mahgony town just has the Rocket base with its tedious fight 2 grunts in a row, and pokemon you cant run from traps, Blackthorn again has fuck all.. the latter half of the game just feels rushed and unpolished

>>57922548 (OP)
Water is wet

the game quality falls off a cliff after the munna kick

>>57922562
>Cianwood
More of a pit-stop on the Olivine Lighthouse quest which is solid overall, and if you really want padding HGSS fills it out a bit more.
>Mahogany
The area is great until the Rocket Hideout which in and of itself isn't that bad but then you're incredibly likely to go straight into the Radio Tower takeover which is just more of the same shit and a mildly annoying switch puzzle which is a bit too much.
>Blackthorn
At least has the Dragon's Den, which isn't saying much and is kind of busywork but it's weird enough to be interesting.
>the latter half of the game just feels rushed and unpolished
It's really more the entire game given they were finalizing the Pokemon themselves down to the last minute. It's why the distribution of new Pokemon is kind a weird, they weren't sure it would be too hard or too broken so they just put it off to the side as a rare encounter and it's not like Gen 1 had every rare Pokemon be good (looking at you Farfetch'd). This is the same balance team that fucked up Special and the Psychic type, I understand their cowardice.
>>57922585
The fuck are you talking about? The second town until right after that are the worst part of BW. You're excessively railroaded with unnecessary tutorials you can't skip, are forced into a type matchup tutorial using Pokemon you don't even catch yourself, you're excluded from catching the shitty bird to make this happen, you're forced to use an HM for the only time in the game, it's just fucking miserable. Then after that you can actually explore things and catch lots of interesting Pokemon because the encounter tables are actually good, and that more or less continues for the rest of the game.

>>57922585
see >>57922576

>>57922585
nobody mentioned black and white

>>57922548 (OP)
My favorite part of Johto is when you finally reach the """good""" part (Kanto) and you're still finding level 15 encounters and trainers with pokemon 10 levels lower than yours

>quality
>when the catchables are either recycled from KANTOOOOOO or hard to find piss weak like Pic related

>>57922615
somebody did mention games suddenly falling off a cliff in quality

>>57922548 (OP)
>>57922562
Johto is empty and GSC is Pokemon's Devil May Cry 2

>>57922585
the game quality falls off a cliff when you first behold the dex to start teamplanning

>>57922621
johtods only care about spectacle, but because they played this as standardless 7 year olds even their idea of spectacle is warped and skewed toward bottom of the barrel scenes like waltzing into and traipsing through a gutted Kanto

>>57922727
to be fair:

>>57922548 (OP)
>roaming legendaries (first time this had ever happened, so a brand new experience at the time
>lighthouse story with Jasmine and Amphy
>saving the Cianwood collectors Shuckle from Silver
>Lake of Rage/Radio Tower Rocket climax
>Clair being in denial and refusing to give you the badge until you pass the Dragon's Den test
>Tin Tower & Whirl Islands
>S.S. Aqua
>restoring electricity for the Magnet Train
>8 extra Gym Leaders, 3 years older than they were in Kanto
>final boss is the protagonist from RBY
GSC are kino and they never let up. There is no drop off in quality, despite what zoomer YouTubers who wren't alive to experience the best games in the series on release might tell you.
They are also the true end to the original story and its debatable if Gen 3 and beyond are even canon.

And why does the quality fall off?

>>57922621
Kek

>>57922874
Just admit you're jealous that every gen 5 mon is getting a super cool alt rare in the TCG while your favorite shitmon isn't.

>>57922897
>roaming legendaries (first time this had ever happened
a "feature" nobody likes and which is bugged on top of it
>Radio Tower Rocket climax
weakest and least challenging villainous bosses to date
>Clair being in denial and refusing to give you the badge until you pass the Dragon's Den test
padding
>final boss is the protagonist from RBY
KANTOOO

>>57922911
It doesn't, OP is just regurgitating what his favorite Youtuber told him
Youtubers generally hate GSC because they can't use them for their shitty nuzlocke and challenge runs, so they pretend they're 'the worst' because they're assmad that they're considered the best games outside of the Pokemon community

>>57922931
Joe Merrick hates gen 2 tho.

>>57922934
Joe Merrick is part of the online content creator club, and therefore part of the cabal

>>57922934
Anyone who defended anything SwSh-related online gives up their credibility as critics

>>57922934
>the guy who made one of the top 3 most important community resources in the fandom and literally named his organization after a johtomon he literally started in gen ii
tods will never be able to spin this

>>57922945
but verlisify defends swsh to this day and he was right about omgon, vgcheaters, and plass, among other things

>>57922966
Verlisify is literally Johto's biggest fanboy, retard

>>57922961
>2 years before pokemon challenged
it's over..

>>57922585
>>57922874
hi yawnie, still mad that nobody's praising xy because they're objectively terrible games?

>>57922971
yeah, so why do you toddies hate your own?
but that wasn't the point of mentioning him

>>57922945
Especially if they defend even worse games, like BW/2 and DPPt.

>>57922989
You don't make any sense retard

>>57922934
Unless a new game set in Johto gets announced of course!

>>57922992
BW was Masuda's magnum opus though

>>57922961
>the guy whose favourite Gen (8) is objectively the worst
>hates Gen 2
Checks out. Guy is so stuck in his mindless consumerism, he's clueless on what makes a good video game.

>>57922995
Masuda thought it was his magnum opus, but he was wrong.
The artist doesn't get to choose their own magnum opus. The Beatles hated Sgt Pepper. Gen 5 is the worst in the series even if Masuda thinks it's good.

>>57922897
/thread

>>57922548 (OP)
The pacing is absolutely horrendous. There's no reason for there to be no regular trainers between the Chuck and Jasmine fight, and then having to fight a barrage of underleveled and boring rocket grunts in Mahogany and Goldenrod. Considering that the latter is the main quest's climax, that's extremely disappointing. Certainly doesn't help that most of the boss battles were lame, especially Lance. Who thought 3 Dragonites were a good idea when 2 of them could've easily been replaced by Kingdra and Tyranitar, which would've also showed off some of the new Johto Pokemon which the game failed at doing?

>>57923054
>guy's favorite (?) region is based off his fatherland
wouldn't be surprising nor inexcusable

>>57923062
retard

>>57923070
One of the points of Lance is that he only uses draconics that can fly. Clair uses only draconics that can dive.

>>57923141
>dragonair
>can't learn dive
retard
>aerodactyl
>not draconic
double retard
fuck off now

>>57923156
weak bait

>>57923158
>presented with facts
>no response
>n-no you

>>57922585
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57922931
this is cope

>>57922548 (OP)
>Legendary Beasts
>Mt Mortar
>Amphy and Jasmine
>Whirl Islands
>Lake of Rage
>Johto Safari Zone in the remakes
>"quality falls off a cliff"

Did you even play this gen

>>57923629
all JIDF posts are

>>57922562
What was up with huge numbers of completely trivial trainers with like one first tier evolution even at level 40-50? GF kept doing it all through the advance games too. At least just have one trainer with six shittermons instead of six trainers with one.

>>57922548 (OP)
Fake, you should go to Mohogany Town instead to Olivine City after Ekutreak City...

>>57922548 (OP)
This game's an outlier because it's one of the few Pokemon games that is better in the first half than the latter.
Most gens are absolute garbage to play through until about the third or fourth gym but early Johto is actually pretty fun to go through.
It's kinda like the one Pokemon game that's actually paced like a real JRPG where the first half is the best part since it's filled with setpieces and interesting level design to make up for the lack of mechanical depth, while the latter half mostly falls off cause the game stops relying on those setpieces and now you're forced to contend with a pretty middling RPG experience.

Pokemon's games were never good and was carried exclusively by the marketing focusing on the TCG and anime.

>>57922919
It's kino. Now go and seethe no longer, beloved.

>>57922548 (OP)
Quality sits comfortably at the Alps before falling into the Mariana Trench when you cross here.

>>57924897
What the fuck are you talking about?
Crossing that little river literally brings you to the best stretch of gameplay that's ever been concocted for any of these games, rivaled only by the road between Lavender and Fuchsia.

>>57924928
It's genwar bait and you just bit it, congrats.

>>57924933
Sorry I got banned from /v/ so I'm exploring all the spin-off boards, i dont really know the lore.

>>57922911
I've already explained that. The later towns have very little in them and they make you rocket hideout and radio tower back to back. The game doesn't have any potential challenging moments or times where you have to plan the best path forward like Kantos rock tunnel. It feels aimless and unengaging after Ekruteak

>>57924928
It's boring. The leveling scaling is worse than hgss johto (with the stupidest implimentation of trainer rematches). All the new pokemon you get (besides maybe dusclops, walrein, and medicham) are entirely shit. There's nothing interesting whatsoever about route 121 and 123, there just wastes of time that make you think you'll get something out of it. Maybe I was slightly exaggerating and it only goes to sea level at 118, but it absolutely sinks to the fucking mantle once you reach Lillicove. The same 2 fucking lines over and over again that you already caught by the time you were in Dewford. 3 mandatory water type hms is bad game design, the shittiest version of Rock Smash, and Flash (yes kanto also sucks with this, but that was at least limited to one midgame dungeon) is effectively mandatory for victory road. Worst evil team hideout (magma in emerald is okish) by far, with more uninteresting teams than any other gen. Aerial Ace is barely a better move than Wing Attack, Calm Mind is pretty nice, Water Pulse is an absolute joke, especially since you're already using 3 required water type moves that are better than it. The Hoenn Elite 4 is possibly the worst iteration of it. The only positives are the Tate an Liza fight (Emerald only), the Steven fight, and 132.
>>57924933
I'm not genwarring. I genuinely believe that the first half of Hoenn, especially from gym 3 to surfing around from 104-109, is one of the best stretches of any pokemon game. That's all the more reason I loathe the second half of Hoenn.

>>57924976
Nah it's good as fuck cause the routes actually start becoming real gauntlets here and the environments get more out there as well with cities like Fortree and Sootopolis.
The team hideout is kinda shit but that's really the only weak link for me, the second half of Hoenn is great and it's the ultimate encapsulation of adventure in any Pokemon game, never have they felt like you're so far away from civilization than in these routes in Hoenn, which elevates the atmosphere a lot.

>>57924994
Gauntlets don't count for shit if you have fly. It's just needless padding.

>>57925004
That is such a lame way to engage with the game it's not even funny.
Yeah you can just Fly back and retop yourself if you're low, hell why not take it a step further and do it after every trainer battle so you can really get your steps in?
Hey since we're already going out of our way to make the game as tedious and unfun as possible for the sake of convenience, why not just grind out to level 50 before Flannery just to really make sure we don't engage with any of the friction the game tries to throw our way?
You can literally apply this style of play to every single Pokemon game and make all of them an exercise in tedium, but why would you do that to yourself when it's much more fun to just play it out? Just so you can go on 4chan and complain about how much you didn't have fun?
Well sorry but I didn't have that problem since I actually like playing video games.

>>57922585
Thank you anon for luring out the borts so we can squish them.

>>57922548 (OP)
True

>>57922585
Nah it's good after Lenora

>>57922989
Johto haters are just parroting youtubers (ignore the Johto fanboy youtubers to pretend like I have a point)

>>57925372
Try after Castelia and you might have a point

>>57925382
any time i see someone post about atmosphere or mystery of johto/kanto or w/e it's something youtubers say all the time
most ppl are braindead zombies until someone with a microphone tells them what to think

>>57925407
After Lenora you already have access to cool bug types

>>57923062
>The Beatles hated Sgt Pepper
For good reason it's a Paul solo album. White Album and Abbey Road are much better and more cohesive albums

>>57925425
I think denying the strengths of the atmosphere of the Johto games is really silly, you don't exactly need a youtuber to point it out to you.
The day/night cycle, the way the whole game is about the passage of time and what gets left behind coupled with that soundtrack that has a tinge of melancholy behind nearly every track and you've got a game that I dare say is way better than the sum of its parts just based on how it can make you feel.
To a certain extent every Pokemon game's about using the abstractions of its presentation and mechanics to present you with a believable world, to ellicit a certain feeling in you, and I think Gold and Silver are definitely up there as far as this goal is concerned.
You look at it from afar and it's easy to pick apart the flaws, but when you're in the game you realize it's like an impressionist painting - it's not abot the singular strokes, but how about those strokes come together to make you feel something.
https://youtu.be/64obE19g6Mk

>>57925508
And it doesn't take a Youtuber to see why a champion capping at level 50 when the previous games capped at 65 is ridiculous or why everyone used the same new Pokemon on their teams. Everything you said was vibes-based, which I don't care about. GS were clearly made with battles being an afterthought.

>>57925529
because 50 is a better number than 65

>>57925529
I've always liked the low levels of Johto personally, I think that + the way routes are super short gives the whole thing this cozy countryside feel.
None of the Pokemon games are really that mechanically demanding so having one that forgoes mechanical polish for the sake of creating a specific vibe isn't exactly a crime in my eyes.
Each Pokemon game - at least of the first six generations, which is what I played - does a good job of creating a specific mood unique to them, so they're all worthwhile playthroughs.

>>57925539
Nah.

>>57924933
it's not genwarring if it's criticizing anything that's not johto or unova

>>57925382
I'm going to start posting about this from now on

>>57925541
I dunno, denoting short routes and empty areas as giving a "countryside" feel is a major copout to me. Perhaps it does to you, but it feels more like they couldn't get their entire vision into the game to me. Does a barren Mt. Mortar or Victory Road evoke countryside to you?

>>57925576
Art is elevated through the limitations placed upon us.
Is the finished product of Gold and Silver the finished game they had envisioned when production started on it? Almost certainly not, but the way something as complex as a video game progresses as it's being made means you're almost never playing anyone's initial vision, but a series of concessions that had to be made in order to cobble together something that's somewhat evocative.
There's a reason I said Gold and Silver are greater than the sum of their parts, it's not gonna be winning any awards for its dungeon design, but at the same time it doesn't really need to because the type of game it's trying to be isn't one that necessitates big sprawling dungeons or elongated routes.

>>57925576
countryside would either be giant routes and areas of nothing or one stereotypical but fleshed out farm area
either way it's a worse premise from what we got in gen 1

that's why you gotta play smithplay's romhack

>>57924897
nice bait but you do have a point, after that whole route (which is probably the best in the game) it gets a little stale with surfing everywhere

>>57925619
I think the countryside is actually the perfect choice for the game.
There's a very overt theme about the passage of time in Gold and Silver - from the return of Team Rocket desperately clinging on to their glory days, to returning to Kanto itself and obviously Celebi being some kind of time faerie - and this theme obviously extends to the player as well.
You spend your youth - that is, Red and Blue - in the hustle and bustle of the city, but now you're older and you want to settle down, so you move on down to a more rural area.
Maybe after a while you do go back to that city you once spent all your time getting in trouble in, but it's not really the same - the places you used to go to are all closed, you aren't anybody's regular anymore, your favorite spots have become abandoned and decroded.
It's a bittersweet feeling knowing that you are physically where your youth took place and even then you can't relive it.
As much as Gold and Silver is its own thing it's also posited very strongly as a reflection on Red and Blue, one that makes you think about what Pokemon means to you and whether or not it might be time to let it go now that your best years with it are behind you.
Maybe this is me romanticizing the text of the game a little bit, who can say, but it's always been the feeling I got from playing these games.
Or ever since I became old enough to understand those feelings at any rate.

>>57922548 (OP)
>>57922585
>>57924897
THE SAME THREAD
EVERY DAY
ALL DAY
WHERE THE SAME TOPICS ARE DISCUSSED AD NAUSEUM.

>>57925611
I think the dungeon and map design of Johto is one of its greatest strengths. I love the way the routes loop back in on each other and all the optional dungeons and nooks and crannies are great.

>>57925666
every pokemon game does this

>>57925674
Yes but not all of them are good at it. Hoenn is good at it.
Sinnoh is over reliant on HMs making it a displeasure to explore while everything after is full of hand holding and vacant hallways.

>>57922897
all this stuff was really cool and fun for me as a kid but i can't replay it because it's got such ass gameplay.

luckily romhacks do a decent job fixing it, and those are fun.

>>57925659
Youtuber say that game bad so they must parrot it.

>>57925659
Everyday until you hate it.

>>57925718
this

>>57925727
that one's falseflagging to make discordies hate johto more

>>57925727
we're too harsh guys :(

>>57925734
where are all these youtubers supposedly making anti-johto videos that "zoomers" are "parroting"...?

>>57925734
i'm so depressed

>>57925740
gen 2 has so much content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOz91EN7Js8

gen 2 nostalgiafags BTFO'd

>>57925656
Something you gotta realize is that the people on this board and the ones making Youtube videos shitting on Johto literally live and breathe Pokemon every day of their lives.
The way the games work as experiences is irrelevant because those feelings are long gone by this point.
All that remains are pixel sprites with stats attached to them.

>>57925747
gen 2 is soul

>>57925754
you should love gen 2

>>57925759
gen 2 > hgss

>>57925761
shitposting aside this one is actually true

>>57925752
> you gotta realize is that the people on this board and the ones making Youtube videos shitting on Johto literally live and breathe Pokemon every day of their lives.
Then they must have been holding their breath during the Whitney fight?

>>57922548 (OP)
Nah it stays good throughout.

>>57925752
experiences especially mattered when you were young but as an adult the only thing you experience with gen 2 is a badly broken shitty game.

>>57925777
hes right tho
johto is the region of tiny grass routes with level 10 rattatas from beginning to end, the rocket plotline is the most boring shit in any pokemon game, and the distribution is so dogshit not even the gym leaders want to use johto mons.

>>57925804
That's just sad that you can't get lost or immersed in a virtual world just because you're an adult now.
At some point you gotta be willing to look past the game mechanics individually and actually look at the whole.

>>57925806
but i feel like im in kansai THOUGH

>>57925809
it is sad but i think that's the tradeoff of becoming a smart and mature adult. when you see someone criticizing gen 2 think to yourself "this guy is too smart and mature to have fun with this game".

>>57925812
Ehh, I'd say an inability to immerse yourself in a piece of art on its own merits showcases a lack of maturity on your part.
Like a piece isn't valid unless it adheres to the specific rules you laid out in your head for it, regardless of the original intent and desired effect.
That just shows me the fundamental incuriosity of a jaded teen unwilling to expand their horizons.

>>57925830
it's not a conscious process. it's something that just happens to you some day. you stop playing with action figures and you stop enjoying gen 2 pokemon outside of romhacks.

>>57925837
Clearly not or there wouldn't be so many adults going to the movies or reading books and resonating with them emotionally.
You're never too old for art, unless you want to say the whole world is fundamentally immature, at which point I really must conclude you have the viewpoint of a child.

>>57925806
>hes right tho
you didn't play the game.

>>57925804
Gen 2 aged like diarrhea in the age of battling, emulators and speed up. Because there's so much discourse about it today, it makes the nostalgia of older manchildren who started with GSC and grew up with Pokemon their whole lives that much stronger. They should acknowledge it for what it is instead of making up retarded headcanon stories to show it's still "soulful." This goes for every genwar faggot in these threads.

>>57925747
As a millennial who grew up with it, I fully agree. There's just so much to do, explore and unlock when you're done with the "campaign" (this includes the Kanto post game). It was also the era without Youtube that could show you everything. You had to explore and discover yourself, and even wonder if there's more to something than there actually is. It insists there's a lot more going on than what we see on screen.

>>57925895
stop parroting youtubers

>>57925895
>As a millennial who grew up with it
you shouldn't be admitting to that. you're declaring that only under a specific unique circumstance could you appreciate gen 2.

have a large group of uninitiated adults play all the pokemon and they would never prefer gens 1+2

you can only get 1 dark type in johto . it's the shittest region no amount of copes will fix that

>>57925899
But that was literally my experience and feelings towards it when I was 10... if the cart battery still worked I could show you how many hours I logged.

>>57925905
I don't know how to tell you this but no one who didn't like Pokemon as a kid is gonna like it as an adult no matter what game you give them.

>>57925919
probably but the point of the hypothetical is to illustrate that nostalgia clouds the judgment of gen 2 lovers.

>>57925905
Most adults who like Pokemon wouldn't even consider touching gen 1 or 2 when FRLG/LGPE and HGSS exist. Terminally online faggots on /vp/ and wherever are a vocal minority.

>>57925925
probably but an actual would be that point would be that lies and gaslighting have been explicitly shown to cloud the judgment of gen 2 haters

>>57925929
A better remake coming out doesn't automatically make the old games bad, but if someone had to choose in 2025 then it would obviously be the remakes.

>>57925925
probably but an actual point would be that lies and gaslighting have been explicitly shown to cloud the judgment of gen 2 haters

>>57925925
Whaaaat no way, Pokemon definitely stands among the RPG greats without the nostalgia goggles...

>>57925934
>[Deleted]
no take backsies

>>57925934
>a youtuber shitposting on twitter suddenly turns into lies and gaslighting
kek

>>57925945
is this meant to highlight pacing differences? i'm playing SV and the pacing is god awful, although i'm enjoying the game outside of that issue.

>>57925945
What's the difference? Gen 5 is pretty quick

>>57925958
>both clips show 4 battle turns in each game
>the DQ clip is 9 seconds long
>the Pokemon clip is 25 seconds long

>>57925889
>genwar faggot
nobody asked you borty

>>57925967
DQ is quicker but it doesn't have any animation, DQIX would be a better comparison imo

>>57925945
Yeah, BW looks a lot better than most of the DS DQ games, but that's partially because the DQ remakes are a little scuffed and DQ9 went with 3D models which look like ass on the DS. DQ9's multiplayer is an inspired choice though and BW tried to do a shitty version of it with Entralink but in both cases they basically require you to be Japanese. I'd love a DQ9 remake so the art style can look decent on a real screen and the ability to play both locally and online (throw in LAN mode too please). I don't want a BW remake because Game Freak will either find a way to fuck it up, or it will be outsourced and rushed again. Ironically I think DQ3's remake is probably the hypothetical best case for a BW remake, really get the style practically created by Xenogears and extensively used on the DS Pokemon games to the next level without the dogshit of the rest of the HD2D shit they did immediately before.
Dunno what any of this has to do with Gen 2, that looked pretty much fine compared to it's contemporaries on the same system and is arguably a better RPG than, what, the SaGa titles? Maybe the DQ Monster games are better, I haven't gotten around to that and I really should, I've heard good things about them.

>>57925905
I only played pokemon as an adult and for me it's FRLG>Platinum>Crystal>HGSS>BW>Emerald>RB.

>>57925977
DQ remakes have unique attack animations for every enemy and they are much more involved than anything in the 2D Pokemon games.

>>57922548 (OP)
But that's just my opinion.

>>57925989
>>57925945
just compare the intro animations lol

>lost my cartridge of Silver years ago
>come across it in a used game store
>it works but won't save
Bah, I'll have to get a battery for it, either that or it's just fucked forever.

>>57925980
Agreed, BW is already a bit similar to Xenogears graphically
>>57925989
DQ is entirely 2d environment, the other is a 3d background with 2d characters, but yeah that's fair

These threads are pointless because rom hacks exist that fix most people's issues.

You can still comment on the low quality of the original game of course, but if the question is if you can play Johto right this second and have a great experience the answer is unambiguously yes, and you can even play them on original hardware if you want. Availability, level curve, learnsets, gym rosters, etc. are issues that have all been addressed.

>>57926014
Most ROM hacks humorously make things worse. They see flaws with Falkner's team and deludes them into thinking they're a game designer capable of fixing everything.
Some of those hacks are good, but the well has been poisoned.

>>57926041
>but the well has been poisoned.
For stupids.

>>57926047
No, by stupids.

>>57926014
I only care about the original games

>>57926053
Why?

>>57926056
Because they're the ones who made everything, then obviously it's easier to make a hackrom where you just fix stuff, but idk, I just tend to care less about it, probably just autism

>>57925659
maybe because we're not getting any fucking news on z-a

>>57925751
Shit like this is why I refuse to play his Legacy "bastardizations", and question why people would.

>>57926241
he fixed your shitty game bud

>>57926244
>Calls his hacks "perfect"
>Needs to release updates to fix problems.
So they weren't perfect.

>>57922548 (OP)
To me it goes like this:
The segment between New Bark Town and Azalea Town is fine. It's a bit slow, your team is still small but areas like Ruins of Alph are nice to explore.

The part between Azalea Town and Olivine City is my favourite. You get ton of new options (TMs and Pokemon) to build your team. I am really fond of locations like Burned Tower, National Park, Goldenrod City and Ecruteak City.

The segment between Mahogany Town and Blackthorn City is the worst part of the game. Trainers around Mahogany are too weak, Team Rocket plot is plain horrible and Blackthorn's surrounding areas (Dragon's Den, Dark Cave and Route 45) are tiring. Ice Cave is great though.

Everything after Blackthorn City (including postgame) is fine again. Road to League is great, Elite Four is okay I guess and Kanto is pleasant even if a bit barren.

>>57922585
I know you are memeing but this game is fun throughout the whole campaign to me. The best part would be between Nacrene Town and maybe Driftveil City. So much fun.

>>57924897
My favourite segment would be between Mauville City and Lilycove City. Everything past Mossdeep City is so annoying or tiring that it makes me question if the very first generation is not more enjoyable.

How come nobody talks about how shit the music is in Kanto? Every single remix is fucking terrible.

>>57925945
>DQ sprites have actual attack animations
>BW sprites are just the pokemon doing idle animations with shitty tweening
god gen 5 was so fucking lazy

>>57927797
>BW sprites are just the pokemon doing idle animations with shitty tweening
This hasn't even changed in the modern games. If you aren't a shillmon, you don't get unique animations. Even fucking Blastoise can't shoot water from his cannons

>>57925989
Ane how many enemies are ( not counting reskins)

>>57927797
>why don't they create several unique attack animations for each of 649 creatures?
>so lazy
Bruh

>>57928194
>Even fucking Blastoise can't shoot water from his cannons
At least fact check before posting.

>>57928220
DQ tends to hover around 100 unique enemies per game since the monsters aren't necessarily the focus in the franchise. There's a complete rest of the game that tends to get more focus on, so the presentation has to be more impressive for the smaller amount of content compared to Pokemon, which was still in a habit of shitting out 100+ new mons every 3 years for whatever reason

If Pokemon was going to start trying to have more impressive presentation and identity, it should've been by the 3D leap

>>57924897
>journey to fortree city probably one of the best stretches of wilderness in the entire series
>capped off by getting roadblocked by a fucking gecko

>>57927779
Of all the complaints I've heard thrown against Gen 2 this has to be by far the stupidest one.
https://youtu.be/e3_-PuUsZ1c
https://youtu.be/JOqDF7FucWI
https://youtu.be/wxRI9PatDEc
https://youtu.be/j0f1WqBMR30
https://youtu.be/4mcX-0c2Ebw

>>57925659
Welcome to pokemon, where the fanbase is full of retards.

>>57927779
The battle music is really fucking bad

>>57928816
Glass house given this franchise also has Hoenn's battle music

>>57929019
the best wild battle, trainer battle, and champion battle themes in the entire series; yep