Thoughts on this game?

>>57939453 (OP)
It was the first video game I ever played

>>57939453 (OP)
Goddamn I was disappointed it didn't have either minigames or a good Stadium/free battle mode

>>57939453 (OP)
groovy

>>57939453 (OP)
Good game. Tama and her simps need not apply.

>>57939453 (OP)
I’m glad it exists because it proves pokemon fans don’t actually have any consistent standards beyond “it released during my childhood therefore it’s good”

>>57939453 (OP)
it was expensive

>First 20 minutes
Kino
>Pirate Building
Immediately over.

>>57939453 (OP)
eceleb told me it was bad

I remember that trainer AI didn't work against Ghost-types. Just send out Misdreavus and you beat the game

>>57939453 (OP)
it's groove and fun to rng manipulate in

sex with St.Performers

>>57939554
THIS! They are the best trainer class ever

>>57939544
celebi*

>>57939453 (OP)
>Aesthetic
S-tier
>Animations
S-tier
>Music
S-tier
>Character design
S-tier
>Gameplay
B-tier
>Pokemon availability
F-tier
Overall a kino game and I wish we got more like it.

>>57939453 (OP)
Best Johto game ever made.

>>57939453 (OP)
it's really good overall, the music is kinda terrible though

>>57939453 (OP)
kino game, along with Gale of Darkness and even PBR.

I just replayed Colosseum last week and played XD in full for the first time afterwards. Colosseum is still my favorite Pokemon experince alongside Emerald. XD was good too but I didn't like the tone change.

My only real disappointment is the shallowness of the story and characters because I wanted to know more about them. I still like to imagine what happened to Wes and Rui after the ending and after playing XD I added Greevil's sons to my fantasies too.

I was very disappointed as a kid as there were no rental pokemon a la stadium 1/2. Once I started to play the story I was hooked though. Never did beat the final boss until years later on an emulator.

>>57939453 (OP)
Along with XD, the culmination of Stadium kino. Who could have imagined as a kid playing Stadium that the sequels would one day develop their own campaigns with unique moves, mechanics, types and even Pokemon?

Battle Revolution was such a step down it was unreal, no surprise it was the death knell of this spinoff series. XD was the end of classic Pokemon, but what a note to go out on.

>>57939936
No lie detected.

>>57939453 (OP)
Really cool thematically, but like 80% of the game is filler battles against johto shitmons.
Gale of Darkness is definitely the better game and I wish there was a third one. The fact that doubles isn't the standard for mainline games is just sad at this point.

>>57939478
>good Stadium/free battle mode
???

Excellent games, very different from the main ones and Genius Sonority knocked it out of the park in a way that GF could only dream of, especially at the time. There are still animations on display in Colosseum that are superior to what we have now. The music is basically nothing but bangers.
Gameplay itself is all battling and it's not super easy when you're hoping to get all the shadow mons.
>>57940614
They were Johto mons not available in Gen3 otherwise. Context for the games is important to keep in mind.

>>57939453 (OP)
Silly but enjoyable, and at the time it felt magical being able to have access to some of the Johto mons the other kids didnt have. I remember some of it being decently challenging too. Shame it didnt have the updated shadow moves that XD did, that would have made battles a lot more fun

Colosseum with XD's mechanical improvements would be pretty much the perfect game. Mainly the extra shadow moves, saving from the pause menu, battle bingo, a few puzzles in the dungeons, and the simulator - the purify chamber works against having more shadow move/pokemon variety, it discourages you from using them by time you start running into the really good ones, if it was post-game only to help you with the end game grind it'd be better.

>>57940817
Stadium fags have no arguments other than "no mini games".
ColXD were absolutely fine and we saw what happened when they went back to the Stadium 3 formula with PBR, it flopped.

>>57939453 (OP)
It's got 99 problems but a bad game isn't one of them

>>57939453 (OP)
Nice change of pace from the main pokemon games. Grittier atmosphere, Double battles are the main focus, and you can steal someones Pokemon.

Only problem of the game is the selection of Pokemon was shit.

>>57939453 (OP)
the double battles are fun but they're so slow it starts to wear you down
the music and vibe is good and novel for a pokemon game
i like the weird but unique selection of pokemon you get to use
the battles give you more of a challenge than in the mainline games
i just enjoy the novelty of collecting pokemon from this game and being able to send them into RSE and use them to get ribbons etc

>Make a really interesting game where you play as an adult ex-criminal in a gritty world
>Sequel has you back to being a kid, crime is getting cleaned up, everything is squeaky clean
What was this a mandated decision or something? GoD is such a disappointment.

>>57939960
You shut your whore mouth.

>>57939453 (OP)
Good ideas and aesthetic. Doubles is good and the shadow pokemon made for a nice extra bit of spice mid-match, having to balance keeping them alive but weakening while taking care of the other pokemon and keeping your own alive
I like >XD more though. Bit more cleaned up with more pokemon available at the expense of some of the aesthetic.

>>57942054
basically this. Colosseum walked so XD could run. The shadow mechanics feel very unpolished, especially since I got XD first when I bought my gamecube and got colosseum way later.

>>57941632
>PBR, it flopped
I didn't even know PBR existed until the Platinum era. It's almost certainly a marketing issue.

>>57939453 (OP)
Tedious, badly done difficulty curve, story doesn't really go anywhere despite muh dark and edgy premises. Pretty much a turd

>>57939499
>OOOOOOO let's make Elvis Presley a gay Mexican!!!!
Basado

>>57943028
Nta but afaik they weren’t printing many copies of it either, not even for launch. I remember visiting every single game store I could think of within a reasonable distance and I never found it until I went to the US and saw a single copy in ToysRUs NYC that wasnt for sale. Couldnt even get it from local european web shops at the time

>>57944317
Nintendo were pushing for pokemon on the wii at/shortly after launch to move systems. It was quite literally a rush job, the reveal trailer has features they didn't have time to finish, they were actively replacing the n64 models so the Japanese release had a few more old models than the North American release (dunno about Europe never looked to compare), it had to get on shelves asap so they produced what they could and shipped it immediately... and then it tanked. It sold great initially because everyone was expecting a story mode or mini games like Stadium but then it got out that it's not as polished or complete as we thought and the rentals suck so if you skipped dp it was nearly unplayable for casuals. You don't keep printing copies of games people aren't buying, so that's probably why it became hard to find - nearly sold out around launch to no new inventory after a few months.

Another gen 3 cash grab to bank on the dex cut

That being said it has the best OST of any pokemon game

XD and Colo are the infamous cheat games.
>trust me bro, I totally got my Follow Me Magmar in SS legit

Having a lot of fun with it. My main issue is that a good portion of the shadow pokemon that are available to catch are 1.) Unusable gen 2 shitmons with bad stats and 2.) have terrible move pools that make no sense. Later in in XD there is a much better selection of mons. Helped by the fact that a lot are pre evos so you won't miss out on moves in its learn set. Kind of wish there was more to these games than just battling though. Especially with how slow paced the battles are...

>>57946854
Follow Me Magmar hasn't been relevant since gen 5 since it lost that move in transfer to gen 6.
Who gives a shit?

>>57941933
why are you booing me? i'm right. i heard the shit hyped up for 20 years and when i finally got the game i COULD NOT BELIEVE how bad the music was. i hate to be mean the game because i like it, but every track is bizarre, noodling, aimless crap without a single exception. hearing miror B's theme hyped up for so long only for it to be one of the single most annoying songs i've ever heard in a video game was an insane slap in the face i couldn't have seen coming in 100 years.

>>57947754
No accounting for taste I guess. The whole soundtrack is perfectly listenable on its own and accomplishes exactly what is intended ingame. You might not like it, as a metalhead it's not really my style either, but to say it's all terrible is disingenuous.

Mirror B's music both in the overworld and in battle is a great fit with his eccentric dancer theme and the game's overall southwestern flavor, and Miracle B using a sped up thin sounding version sounds exactly like what he is - a cheap imitation. I will concede that all the other battle themes have almost too similar composition, I'm guessing Tawada ran out of time, the common motifs tie them together nicely but you'd expect at least the bosses to all be unique, and Nascour having no music is a glitch that just happened to fit the vibe iirc. They're repetitive, and several would benefit from longer run times or separating the intro from the main score so they don't loop as often/noticeably, but they're not bad. The general admin battle music starts out tensely quiet as they send out their pokemon then the orchestra crescendos into an epic march as the battle continues and the action picks up. Normal trainer battles have a medium tempo and a fun but relaxed sound, Cipher peons and Snagem grunts have something between that and the admins, and colosseum match themes have increasing intensity as the rounds progress.

The environments all have excellent music. The outskirt stand's desolate harmonica, Phenac's flowing piano, Pyrite's conspiratorial jazz bass and snapping with a bit of Cipher's motif which bleeds into the Under's funk and the lab's sterile synth, Mt Battle's triumphant march, Agate's rolling rhythm and the relic's serene melody. It all fits what those places are supposed to be perfectly.

>>57945319
Yeah that explains it. Quite literally started looking for it the moment the PAL version was supposed to drop (dont remember when that was but I dont think it was a launch title for us. Not sure though). Bought my Wii 2 weeks after the Wii launched so it wasnt a short amount of time I spent looking either

>>57948523
>Nascour having no music is a glitch that just happened to fit the vibe iirc
Wait, it wasn't meant to be silent? It's actually an oversight?

Padded garbage. I hope the NSO release has full home support so you can move mons to a modern game to grind over using Mt. Battle.

>>57949760
IF I'm remembering correctly. I recall reading some interview/behind the scenes stuff years ago and seeing a soundtrack rip with 2 Nascour themes - the one you hear when he shows up and a battle theme. However that was years ago on I don't know what website. It's entirely possible I'm mixing it up with something else or misremembering entirely.

>>57949844
He does have a theme before battling you in-game sorta (I don't think it's heard anywhere else.) I'm curious if the code references a theme that's supposed to be there or not