So... do gigantamax pokemon change forms and generate the shitty hologram as usual or do they just generate a different hologram but their true form remains unchanged?

>>57957617 (OP)
A pokegirl thread died for this

>>57957617 (OP)
Pretty sure Dynamax is the "hologram" shit whereas Gigantamax actually changes the mon's physiology

>>57957626
That's Eternamax which is a proper form change with different stats. Gigantamax is just a different move but it's otherwise identical to Dynamax, as stupid as it sounds (like sure these two rats have the same exact stats why not)

>>57957632
>why yes we have the same exact Attack how could you tell?

>>57957617 (OP)
Imagine gigantamax pikachu stepping on you lol :3

>The Dynamax phenomenon is caused by a special power that originates from within Pokémon, warping the space around them and making them appear far larger than they truly are.

The actual Pokemon doesn't change at all, they warp space to make themselves look larger but also affect their surroundings as if they really were that large.

It's such a horrible OP mechanic, I hope we never, ever see it again.
Imagine combining z-moves and megas, but these moves set weather, terrain, stat buffs, stat debuffs, status conditions, 1/4 damage on both opposing mons every turn, and the D-max mon gets 2x health.
Oh and they still get to hold an item, like life orb. True insanity.

>>57957663
Congratulations you now have the same basic information OP was assuming you would have since the beginning. Which is about dyna not giga

>>57957678
>Uses spore on your dynamax pokemon
OP my ass skill issues

>>57957678
Oh yeah, I forgot that it hits through protect. What the fuck were GF thinking?
>>57957684
If spore is a problem for anyone's team then it's a skill issue for them. Spore isn't useless, but the threat of spore is often better than spore itself.

>>57957678
>>57957790
The no need of item is the dumbest part imo. Sure you can't use some of them because they stop working but only a few of them, and they work again once the effect runs off (except the secondary effects from your super duper giga moves remain). I think they wanted to make sure people didn't compare it to the previous gimmick because it had species-exclusive superforms and super moves but damn it's the most op gimmick and you let them use any item too?? When the fucking story already makes a big deal about how weird Eternatus' kidney stones are? Come on

>>57957850
Yeah, it was definitely not comparable to megas or z moves, it blew those out of the water in terms of sheer power.
I'm only talking about the mechanic in the context of how it worked in doubles, but it was way over the power threshold for what should exist.
I wonder if anyone counted the average # of turns in a match at Worlds 2022. I bet it was 1 or 2 shorter than Worlds 2019, which was already a very powerful meta.

>>57957617 (OP)
Lorewise are simply alternate projections that are activated by Pokémon that have a certain gene. I don't know if the special soup modifies their genetics.

But personally, I prefer to think that certain Pokémon were trapped in that form, and that's the beginning of legends about gods* like Poseidon (Kingler), cryptids like Nessie (Lapras), mountain trolls (Grimmsnarl), or giants from British folklore like Gog and Magog (Machamp or both Urshifu). In that form, those Pokémon must have consumed a lot of resources, so they would have remained asleep most of the time, like the giant Pokémon in the anime.

*Obviously the equivalent that the pokeworld uses

>>57957887
Personally I prefer to think you are joking because the idea of someone being this dumb is quite unpleasant.

>>57957850
The no item is the part that makes it good. When you have to pre-commit to a gimmick user your hands are tied on the team preview screen where you have to decide "do I drop my user or take it into a bad matchup because in both scenarios I'm fighting an uphill battle." It's the problem Megas had and the same problem mono restricted formats have. Being able to pick your dynamax or tera user on the fly is what makes them so much better gimmicks because you can always find a good user for it. Dynamax's problems were just the actual implementation; max moves were just a little too strong and max mons had too much extra HP.

>>57958849
>muh vcg
Shut the fuck up

>>57957617 (OP)
Is it just me or is pikachu the laziest design out of these?

>>57958849
You didn't have to commit to a mega and you didn't have to bring it. Many teams brought 2 megas, one to bring in one type of matchup and another in case that doesn't work.
While D-max in theory was useable on all mons, in PRACTICE you had a pretty strong idea of what to expect since it was generally used to make the rich richer.
22 with the double restricted format demonstrated that pretty clearly.

I don’t know enough about comp to say if it was shit or not, or if vgcfags liked it the most. But it appearing in the stadiums while the people are standing unprotected was dumb

>>57958994
Some people liked it, others didn't.
I generally stand on how ridiculously powerful it was as the reason I don't want it back.

>>57959004
Which gimmick did vgcfags like the most?

>>57957678
It'll be back in Pokemon Champions

>>57958849
lol you're so full of bullshit.
Anyone with two braincells can tell at first glance which mon is gonna be the one that's gonna mememax
I can count with one hand the amount of times there was actually a "surprise pick" mememax in all the matches of gen 8 I saw

>>57959090
Probably tera.
It's universal and relatively inoffensive in the way that Dmax particularly was.
It doesn't tend to speed up games since often times tera is committed to keep a pokemon alive rather than double dip into STAB.
I tend to agree, though I enjoyed mega evos in the 2014 doubles meta immensely. It was the first time that breeding a competitive team became viable and that year so many mons were on the table since no restricteds or transfers.

>>57959133
If it comes back in Champions and we have to choose between Mega, Tera, Z moves, and Dynamax, then D-max would be chosen every single time because it's so ridiculously broken.
Since it was missing from the trailer I'm holding hope that it doesn't come back and they can see what a disaster that would be for the balance of other gimmicks.

>>57957617 (OP)
Some of these like Blastoise, Kingler and Machamp are absolute kino and then others like Venusaur, Lapras and basically all of the Gen 8 starters are hot garbage lmao.

Captcha: 4KPSP

>>57959090
z-moves took the most skill to use
everyone getting a one-time nuke, fun status move, or much needed coverage while still having a lot of counterplay to them was good pvp design

>>57957617 (OP)
Why would the Pokemon's physical form change? Makes more sense if the hologram is all that changes.
By the way, the idea that it's some weird hologram magic instead of simple growth is dumb.

>>57959805
Because that raises the question, how does changing the hologram works? Is it automatic or conscious? Could they change it to something else? It's certainly easier to imagine if they always project their appearance and the Giga factor just makes them change temporarily before creating the projection

God dynamax is so stupid

Making them holograms that just LOOK like giant pokemon is so fucking stupid. What's even the point? Pokemon canonically can shrink naturally so making Eternatus' gimmick that it makes pokemon grow instead wouldn't have been that weird, but no, they just create holograms that interact with the world exactly as if they were giant pokemon, so to all effects they are giant pokemon... except they aren't supposed to be.
So fucking dumb. If they wanted holograms they should have made dynamax battles energy-mecha battles, not kaiju battles

>>57960606
Would still look bad because SwSh BEAUTIFUL NEW ANIMATIONS kept pokemon standing still while battling so the kick ass energy mecha battles would still be two giant models standing giant Z-moves happen around them

>>57957617 (OP)
Why did they phone in Gig Blastoise so much? They could have gone ham with his ship cannons. They even had 5+ years of shipgirl templates to draw from.

>>57957617 (OP)
Their appearance changed, but their size remained the same; only gaining a temporary defensive boost form it.

Dynamax energy magnify the monster's appearance and allow them to preform max moves in place of their normal ones; but that's it. Only Eternatus grown to its "original size" once it regained all of the energy it lost from the fight with the heroes of Galar (note this is head canon, I like to think that Enteramax was the form it took as it arrived to the Galar region and inadvertently caused the darkest day).

>>57957617 (OP)
I should note that Eternatus once have ability to distort space to the point that it magnify the appearance of the Pokémon around it (hence the darknest day). That's what Dynamax energy are, distortion particles that magnifies monsters.

>>57961899
See >>57957683

>>57957683
>>57957635
Giga's the same thing; It simply changes the projection's appearance and allows access to the user's exclusive moves.

Only Eternamax Eternatus is the real deal, since it needed the energy Rose provided to regain the form it came to Galar in hundreds of years ago.

Man why the FUCK was Calyrex dynamax even blue??? It's not even a mystery left to interpretation like gen 9 stuff it's just something that randomly happens

>>57962267
It's like if Rayquaza mega not needing a stone was unexplained in ORAS or if Ogerpon didn't have her masks and just terastalized into four giant crystal faces because

>>57962267
>>57962290
Zacian and Zamazenta being unable to dynamax was also never ever aluded to in any way or form

>>57960020
Probably automatic, since each species' dynamax form always looks the same, unless they have the gigantamax gene which causes them to display their form differently

>>57962578
>>57962267
Gen 8 was just undercooked.
GF was incompetent and understaffed which was a dangerous combination.

It's fucking Ultraman (The Giant of Light) it is not that serious

>>57959478
Tera is too volatile I liked Dmax the best, maybe it was better in in-person tournaments with open team sheets but a lot of interactions in online battles were annoying coin flips and the 50% boost on spread moves could make you just lose if you got it wrong.

>>57962605
I liked tera in the lower power games, not crazy about it in restricteds. Perhaps tera should be unavailable on restricted/legendary mons. What do you think that would do?
I understand what you mean though, my opponent not landing the close combat on my Dialga-O trick room because of tera ghost was enough for a T1 forfeit.
I do think that generally tera itself isn't making the power of the game much higher like D-max was.

>>57957617 (OP)
>tfw no Gmax Grumpy Minun

Gen 8 is so bad it's the first generation to break the cycle of fanbitching and have nearly no one claiming it was actually good all along to shit on the newer gen, everyone agrees what came before was better, everyone agrees what came after was better, everyone agrees it was a mistake.

>>57962727
>Grumpy Minun
What the fuck is that supposed to mean

>>57962595
/vp/fags are uncultured losers

>>57962267
Calyrex had beef with Eternatus in the past so maybe it draws its own energy to dynamax instead of using Eternatus' fragments? The thing has no business being as bullshittingly OP as it is it probably can do whatever it wants

>>57963741
The anime had an episode years ago with a grumpy minun, and coomers lost their shit over it for some reason. It still gets brought up today.

>>57962727
You need to be gassed.

>>57962718
>I liked tera in the lower power games, not crazy about it in restricteds. Perhaps tera should be unavailable on restricted/legendary mons. What do you think that would do?

There was no difference, in early regulations Tera coin flip bullshit was just as common ex Trick room setters, various cheese Armarogue sets, Goldengo, Dondozo steel to avoid clear smog, grass Tera, etc. Dyna is stronger but it was more predictable and both players can do it, Tera was too fucking annoying

>>57957617 (OP)
>12/17 KANTOOOOOOOO

>>57963768
If Eternatus and Calyrex have different kinds of energy that let it achieve dynamax, that just makes me wonder how many other pokemon can do it too

>>57963768
>the wolves are broken and had beef with Eternatus so they can't dynamax with Eternatus' particles
>the tumour hare is broken and had beef with Eternatus so he can dynamax on its own
God galar is so stupid

>>57964292
>being mad you suck

>>57964770
Take you this long to notice? It's the worst gen for a reason

>>57964390
>>57963768
Calyrex clearly can't dynamax on its own since he can't undergo the change unless he's in a power spot (aka a place filled with Eternatus' bullshit particles) and his trainer also needs a band with a shooting star (from Eternatus too)
Dynamax without Eternatus is just not a thing

>>57960606
They never said hologram, they said "projection"

>If they wanted holograms they should have made dynamax battles energy-mecha battles, not kaiju battles

That's exactly what they are, the Pokemon "pilots" an energy mech of itself from the inside

>>57967836
Redditor... that's exactly the problem. They are piloting energy-mechas but only in-lore, visually they are just big pokemon and looks fucking lame

>>57967836
>unironically redditspacing

This is from a cgi trailer for SwooShit but I think it's the same in game, when you gigantamax you see the pokemon growing in size (or rather generating the hologram) and the giga look is there since the beginning
Although I guess what you initially see could be an altered hologram already and you just see it grow from "slightly larger" to "fucking gigantic"

>>57957617 (OP)
Honestly I love Gigantamax Pokemon I don't even care.
Like you can't deny the spectacle of it all, Sword and Shield doesn't always look good but in these moments with the music chants blaring through the speakers you are IN the game dude.

>>57957617 (OP)
I don’t know, but I really wish Dynamax was exclusive to Gigantamax Pokemon instead of being a universal mechanic, as well has requiring an item.
Having a mechanic that buffed your Pokemon that much would have been better recieved if it were exclusive to a select few Pokemon and you didn’t have the luxury of a regular item.
Sure, it might still be too powerful, but I think Dynamaxed Charizard that can’t hold Boots/Weaknees berry or Dynamax Coalossal without Weakness Policy is way easier to handle than Dynamax Calyrex or Dynamax Gyarados, which could still hold items.

>>57969395
Holy shit a genuine underage

Canonically holograms. Yes it's retarded

My favorite thing about bigmaxxing is that anti-mega fags talked about how good of a mechanic it was and how Megas were bad, but once Tera came around they stopped even pretending

>>57970263
that wasnt even the question

>>57957623
And? Nothing of value was lost

>>57970272
My favourite thing about it is that it belongs to the worst games in the franchise so it's even less likely to return than Z-moves

>>57970272
Bigmaxxing shilling and mega hating was all yawnfag's astroturfing.

>>57972479
Yawnfags is the biggest mega evolution shill though just like all kalosfags

>>57957850
>I think they wanted to make sure people didn't compare it to the previous gimmick because it had species-exclusive superforms and super moves
And then they go and do just that with Gigantamax

>>57957617 (OP)
if these pokemon had mega forms instead they would just be the same thing but with more overdesigned spikes

>>57972592
That's exactly the point

>>57972762
It's funny your "mega" Cinderace is just Giga Cinderace without a big football

>>57972762
>>57973024
LMAO

>>57973024
>>57973523
- Ears aren't long enough
- Feet aren't that big
- It doesn't have a soccer ball pattern under the feet
- Facial ornament isn't THAT long
- Hair tuft is actually made of fire instead of being just red
So no they really don't look exactly the same

>>57973529
>NO THAT'S NOT EXACTLY HOW...
So you get why >>57972762's point is retarded then?

>>57973536
They really don't look exactly the same though

>>57973539
And you think >>57972762's Mega-Cinderace is exactly how the actual Mega-Cinderace would look, retard?

>>57973559
>Literally just cinderace but with a more exaggerated design instead of focusing on a core core aspect of the design
Looks about like any mega form tbdesu

>>57973565
No, it doesn't, but I rest my case, you know you don't have any argument other than "me don't like mega :( "

is meowth actually a longcat reference

>>57973566
>Doesn't point out how i'm wrong
Typical of megafags lmao

Yeah bro most of megas have footballs paterns, giant ears, wiskers, feet... No more (You)s for you, dog.

>>57973583
Mega cinderace would yes

>>57972762
I don’t get it.

>yes, I'm insane! Reply to me, please!
I said no more (You)s, dog.

>>57973523

>Gets proven wrong
>Starts bitchposting
Kek megafags really are underages

>the macrofalcofag is macromalding again

>STILL refusing to point out how i'm wrong and STILL bitchposting
kek she's salty

>>57973815
You could say she's MEGA salty

>>57973569
Considering Pikachu is a reference to fatchu I don't see why not

>>57973588
>most of megas have giant ears, soccer ball patterns, feet...
lmao you are mad and insane

>>57974246
Mega cinderace would yes

>>57974256
yes yes you know exactly what they would do for the design of a new mega just don't forget your meds

>>57974261
>yes yes you know exactly what they would do for the design
Considering (The non-existent) design philosophy of mega evolutions it is certainly possible yes

>>57974268
Yes you are well versed in something that doesn't even exist according to yourself kek keep trying

>>57974339
Considering the look and design of the other mega forms it's entirely possible that it will end up having that look anyway
>Yes you are well versed
Correct glad you agreed

>>57957617 (OP)
>Beedrill gets a cool, minmaxed Mega that appears in four games across three different generations
>Butterfree gets deluxe inflation mode for one game
lmao

>>57974716
And guess which one actually ended up being competitively relevant LMAO

>>57970032
>dude you're underage because you like giant monsters, unlike me a man of grown refined taste who likes the fat cat that sleeps all day

>>57975093
If you truly liked kaiju battles you would feel insulted for what Swooshit did

>>57975423
Why?
The cinematography and spectacle on display is great, all the moves have the appropriate amount of heft and power behind them, all the new designs are great.
About my only complaint as a casual is not giving the starters alternate forms until the DLC, that was really the ultimate pisstake, even if admittedly I tend to prefer not using the mechanic and just letting it be a boss thing.

>>57975088
None of them since both mechanics are dead. Beedrill is coming back this year so you can tell Butterfree isn't gonna be the one being used tho lmao

>>57975470
Because not only the cinematography and spectacle is poor you sad film school reject, many of the designs are shit like the one you posted and the actual battling is the worst part because it only highlights and enhances Pokemon's problem with melee attacks' animations, it actually gets rid of the few decent animations they have and turn battles into boring staged lightshows, instead of having ACTUAL kaiju battling, tackling, punching and biting eachother they just stand there, look at eachother and summon the animation to pretend they are fighting themselves.
I don't know if the anime fights truly looked like this all the time or not but if they did then the anime saved Dyna/Giga shit, but in the games? lmao in the games Dynamaxed pokemon fight like a Showdown pokemon, just with a prettier effect. Nothing makes you feel the sheer size of these pokemon. Nothing makes you shit your pants as giant approaches you. Nothing feels like actually fighting against a colossal monster who would stomp you easily. Nothing makes you think "this is a kaiju battling", you just see a standing big pokemon calling forth some sfx, it doesn't even change based on the enemy pokemon being dynamaxed or not, it's just
>big pokemon stand there
>big pokemon does the generic animation of "okay my turn"
>sfx surround the enemy

If you GENUINELY believe Swooshit dynamax battles qualify as kaiju battles you need significantly higher standards.

>>57975510
Butterfree didn't see THAT much serious use when there were so many better G-Max mons. It's disingenuous to say it was really common.

>>57975510
>implying champions won't have dynamax
Least delusional /vp/edophile

>>57975593
>implying every pokemon and every gimmick will be in Champions right away
Megas and Teras? Confirmed by release. The rest can wait. And all this is for competitive fagging only anyway, even without that we are already getting Mega-Beedrill and zero dynashit in the mainlines in just a few months.

>>57975597
>>implying every pokemon and every gimmick will be in Champions right away
Yep and not a single proof to prove otherwise

>>57975602
>pokemon games don't get full national dexes not even after two DLCs but this retard thinks Champions will have every species and gimmick day 1, specially when the trailer only shows gen 9 gimmicks
KEK

>>57975613
"Paradox pokemon don't exist bro the trailers didn't show them" ass replying

>>57975617
>strawman
So you are out of "arguments", good to know.

>>57975619
>Doesn't point out how i'm wrong
Every
Single
Time

>>57975619
false equivalence too, paradoxmons were leaked even lmao
ignore macrofalco fans

>Replying to yourself with your phone
lol

>>57975622
Already did, guess your literacy and reading comprehension is as small as dynamax pokemon are big, huh? That's too bad, you will have to talk to yourself again

>>57975638
>NOOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT IT'S A STRAWMAN WHEN IT GOES AGAINST MY NARRATIVE
Anyway you still don't have any proof to prove Z-Moves and dynamax aren't in the games and you never will

>>57975644
You don't have any proof of Z-moves and Dynamax being in Champions already, we only have Tera and Mega confirmed so far, the burden of proof is on you
Not like you know what burden of proof is or implies anyway since you are too much of an underage to know even something as basic as a common fallacy

>>57975656
>"The third legendary of the trio doesn't exist because the trailer didn't show it"

>>57975660
I would say that's another false equivalence and strawman but in this gen the third legendary wasn't in the game until multiples updates (DLC) so your post is even dumber than it first appears

>>57975902
>"Mega evolutions won't be in sun and moon because the railers didn't show them"

>>57957617 (OP)
Look at all these wated designs

>>57957623
kill yourself gooner

>>57976368
Washed or wasted?

>>57977093
Wasted would imply these are good

>>57967836
>They never said hologram, they said "projection"
The difference being? A projection and a hologram are basically the same fucking thing. What was the point of specifying that the giant pokemon aren't actually giant pokemon like mega evolution exists but giant pokemon is too outlandish

Gigantamax should've been actual giants roaming the overworld during gameplay. HUGE missed opportunity.
Leon supposedly fought these bigmons, but it all happened off-screen.

>>57962267
It uses his own royal (blue) power instead of Eternatus's radiation