How would you have improved the Pokemon anime?

>>57961224 (OP)
Indigo League is fine. Everything after the Orange Islands doesn’t matter

Greninja wins. Ash retires on a high note. Alain takes over.

There, I just saved Ash, Greninja, Alain, and Charizard from character assassination.

>>57961224 (OP)
Saved Shudo from alcoholism. He had soul

>>57961224 (OP)
Either
>Adapt the games. Change MC each gen.
>Have the MC ACTUALLY be a window to the pokemon world without the illusion of development

Its not hard really, its just that they wanted to suceed at two opposing premises.

>Needing to improve a weekly advertisement for the biggest multimedia franchise

Spamming the Ashnime threads back to back isn't exactly making discussing it at all more appealing you know.

>>57961257
This.

>>57961257
And /thread, getting sick of the catalog getting drowned with the same recylced posts from literally five years ago.

>>57961224 (OP)
Ash wins during the Sinnoh League. Gen 5 anime is him acting as a mentor for Iris as she takes on her own league challenge. Gen 6 has Alain as the proper main character from then on with Ash showing up eventually to be HIS challenge to overcome similar to Red being this for Gold/Ethan.

>>57961257
Finally someone who addresses this holy shit. It's always ending with the same bullcrap:
>XY, SM or XY vs SM discourse on loop
>Shippingfaggotry dragged out for the sake of arguing despite it ending with NOBODY winning
>Some schizoid with shitty spelling errors going on retarded tangents that go all the way back until pre-2019, showing how the majority of the discussion is stuck in a time capsule

Improved pacing.
You can have the same number of episodes, but there's no reason to subject the audience to 14 filler episodes before a gym. 10 at most.
It's okay if there's an overarching pattern, but the show is so heavily affected by TR's presence in every episode.
Recurring characters and arcs would be fine, even just simple closure. The number times Ash would say they'd see someone again and then never appear is quite astounding.

>>57961257
>Spamming the Ashnime threads back to back isn't exactly making discussing it at all more appealing
Based.

>>57961257
This. Those fuckers should just crawl back into their general.

>>57961271
Ash even getting to Sinnoh means the damage is done.
>>57961282
That wouldn't really solve any of the issues.

>>57961258
>>57961259
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>>57961285
you know i can see you are replying to your own posts

>>57961286
Ash had clear progress from Kanto to Sinnoh and it wasn't until Unova where his character started to take a shit.

>>57961295
You're part of the problem.

>>57961257
I can copypaste every second post of the Ashnime discussions on this board and with a 80% success rate it is popping up in the archive being on loop. What's the point of that ritualposting?

>>57961257
Don't understand it either.

Like whatever they're yapping for the 1000th time isn't gonna miraculously gonna kick in by next week.

>>57961224 (OP)
One of the things that would greatly improve the Pokémon anime is having all species of Pokémon being able to talk in human language.

>>57961228
I personally didn't like orange islands at all. Tracey sucked. Didn't get a new girl. No real competitions.
>>57961252
what happened?

>>57961224 (OP)
Assuming I'm in lala land where I have full control and also the benefit of 30 years of hindsight?
Each generation gets a year (52 episodes) at most, maybe special 12-episode seasons afterwards to cover remake and third version material.
Assuming I have as much knowledge as the staff at the time they were making it?
Retire Ash in Johto where he gets a rematch against Ritchie and wins the whole thing.
Then in Hoenn you do a hard reset with May, Maxie and Brendan.
You can even give Brendan and May Plusle and Minun to keep the Pikachu thing going.

Ash knocks up everyone he meets.

>>57961224 (OP)
>Some faggot posts that Horizons is flopping
>Another faggot starts making Ash's thread afterwards
Is this some kind of damage control? Advertisement to increase the anime atention?
Two retards baiting each other?

>>57961237
>waiting over 900 episodes for him to fuck off instead of 1200 is much better

>>57961224 (OP)
Go a bit of the Special/Adventures route. Let Ash slowly age with the original audience, maybe not in real time but like a year per gen, while mentoring the new protagonists who are just starting out. Just look at all the zoomers who love May and Dawn because they grew up watching them. The other characters would be just as beloved to the kids who started with them, while keeping Ash around would keep the oldest members of the audience invested even more than it did in reality because he'd be more relatable without seeming to get a complete reset every 2-4 years while still getting to do all the cool adventure stuff real life doesn't allow us to do.

We could have had Johto with Gold and later Kris joining the group, then Misty and Brock leave around the league. We'd have 3 strong, familiar trainers to cheer for and it could've ended with Ash vs Gold so Ash losing again wouldn't feel so cheap. Revisiting Kanto so they can get those badges would give us a chance to briefly see everyone again and then Ash could sit the next league out and head to Hoenn to get even stronger for next time, avoiding another cheap loss for him and letting Kris get 2nd place to Gold so she'd have a reason to go keep training or become a researcher or whatever and Gold can be too busy with challenges as 2x champion to travel much. Change Hoenn to have Brendan around as Birch's son, Wally popping in every once in a while, and let Ash get the league win and go looking for more adventure in Sinnoh, etc.

Going by the emails in the leaks, the main problem they had with Ash was if he kept character development he wouldn't be relatable to new kids who need someone to learn with, but he was a large part of the brand and starting over without him would lose a lot of older fans. Then they decided on moving on but like one director refused and refused until even all new formats weren't working and he finally had to give in. This would solve that, at least better than what we got did.

>>57961224 (OP)
The Celebi movie could've worked as a series finale with some script changes.

>>57961224 (OP)
I would've retired Ash after Orange Islands and gotten a new protag that looks like Gold.

>>57961224 (OP)
Ends at Johto. We get Brendan or May as a protag instead, with Roxanne traveling with them to explain things for new viewers.

>>57961426
Sounds good to me. The series literally called "Advanced Generation". There was absolutely no reason for it to not have been the reboot.

I still don't get why they made May Norman's daughter in the anime if she doesn't care about the Pokemon League at all desu

>>57961437
It wouldn’t have mattered whose daughter she was desu, I doubt she would’ve become a researcher if her dad was Birch

>>57961437
Because otherwise Norman would've just been some random guy.

>>57961310
you are not wrong, this one of reasons people hate the pokemon anime, pokemon saying their names its fucking retarded and cringe

Ash had clearly worn out his welcome by BW, so I would've retired him at DP instead of going the way of Tobias.jpg
Ideally, have protags change with each system mainline Pokemon is in

>>57961454
But he's a gym leader

>>57961508
His whole deal is being the player's dad and the disc 1 boss of Hoenn. Ash has no relation to him, but his travel companions do. Without that, the return to Petalburg City would be anticlimactic.

>>57961224 (OP)
each region/league has their own mcs instead of ash, brock and misty
after ash beats gary at indigo league, he's gone and only appears in cameos

>>57961383
>the main problem they had with Ash was if he kept character development he wouldn't be relatable to new kids who need someone to learn with
If they cared about kids in the slightest he would have been retired at the end of Johto, if not earlier.

>>57961355
Shudo collapsed at Nara station in 2010 due to a hemorrhage iirc
Also years of alcohol abuse might have contributed to his death. So idk, maybe if he didn’t hit the bottle everyday he’d still be with us.

>>57961224 (OP)
Quite easy
> Ash defeat Alain on Kalos League final and keep Greninja but loses to Drasna leading him to go to Alola for further training by partaking on Island Challenge.
> Ash keep his original personality instead of turning into prince charming on XY series.
> No artstyle change
> Purposefully introduce more attractive girl with crush on Ash to start a shipping war so shipper will continue to watch the show to see which girl wins.
> JN would have a lead girl as the third research fellow with Ash & Goh. it would be ether Gloria, Green, Marnie or even Dawn.
> Ash wins rematch against past opponent that he didn't defeat such as Sabrina & AJ on PWC.
> Ash uses his reserves on Master Tournament . Greninja against Steven's Metagross, Infernape against Cynthia's Garchamp. Pikachu against Leon's Charizard.
> Anime goes full Slice Of Life with well animated battle after Ash becomes World Champion and visits various new region to have adventure with new friend.
> Example : Ash comes to Paldea for Terastal course which leads him to Juliana & Arven as they explore Paldea on Miraidon/Koraidon's back while battling titan pokemon, reforming leaders of Team Star and goes to Area Zero to stop now alive Turo from using Terapagos's power to drag a past version of his dead wife Saba into the present which threaten Terapagos life and will cause a massive distortion
Basically all the problem on Anipoke caused by some higher-up trying to copy YGO and shove their own OC that nobody cares about.

its imposible without ash and rica matsumot was fired , the tranime is fucked

>>57961357
>Retire Ash in Johto where he gets a rematch against Ritchie and wins the whole thing.
This is so pointless. Ritchie is already shown quite clearly to be below Ash. Ash needed to be worn out by Team Rocket before his match, the league needed to have sleep equate to fainting, and Charizard was forced to be used due to the aforementioned problems with Team Rocket and the sleep rule came right back up to put the nail into the coffin. Ritchie and everything about this "battle" was a travesty and the less we have of him the better. Ash should have swept him and lost to Gary in Kanto to give more legitimacy to their rivalry and more weight to Gary already beating the Orange Islands before him.

>>57961484
>Ash had clearly worn out his welcome by BW,
Only people who doesn't understand Pokémon anime keep saying it. They doesn't understand that protagonist rotation only works in plot driven anime but Pokémon was character driven from the start. OS series didn't actually had any plot but it was 100 times better many plot heavy anime because it had an unique premise, lovable characters, laughable humor and competition.


Saying Ash overstayed his welcome is same as saying Goku, Nobita, Conan, Shinchan overstayed their welcome and need to be replaced. Naruto tried to replace him with Boruto and look how badly it turned out to be.

>>57963861
Comparing Pokemon to DBZ and Naruto is stupid precisely for the reasons you mentioned.
DBZ and Naruto are plot-driven anime and are thus reliant on a convincing leading character that can be the driving force of that plot.
Meanwhile stuff that's actually comparable to Pokemon like Yu-Gi-Oh and Beyblade switch protagonists all the time.

>>57963900
>YGO is already on series 8
What the fuck? Do they still introduce a new gimmick with every new season?

>>57963907
Yeah but now the anime is in hiatus

>>57963861
A shame ash is already removed because her voice actress was a bitch and bad reputation, she is fucked

>>57963900
>DBZ and Naruto are plot-driven anime
Ha Ha Ha, nice way to confirm you know nothing. Dragonball and Naruto are character driven , they remain relevant due to the popularity of their character, not because of a plot.

People literally watch Dragonball to see Goku obtain new power-up and transformation to defeat various enemy.. Pretty much how people watch Pokemon anime to see what new pokemon Ash catches and using them to defeat new rivals. In fact Pokemon can run with Ash for another 20 years as long as the anime introduce new reason for Ash to visit new region to catch new pokemon and battle new game characters from new pokemon game.
>Meanwhile stuff that's actually comparable to Pokemon like Yu-Gi-Oh and Beyblade
Pokemon was never comparable with YGO.

YGO originally was a story about a pharaoh taking control over the MC to use analogue game to defeat many evildoers. It was originally more similar to "No Game No Life" than pokemon & Yugi didn't fought more than half of the duels. Later it became an anime about protagonist with Y in their name use Card Game to stop forces of evil from taking over the world. YGO was always plot driven than character driven.

Pokemon was never about protagonist taking on forces of evils, all the villainous storyline on Anipoke were a subplot rather than main plot. Pokemon anime was simply about a boy with a Pikachu exploring the pokemon world to meet new Pokemon., The main reason Pokemon anime run this long was due to popularity of Ash, Pikachu and TRio

>>57964128
Eh, Sugimori and Ohmori in the leak said they didn't give a shit about that drama so IF they ever think of bringing him back even for a cameo he would be voiceless like May or with another VA, only IF tho

>>57963861
>they doesn't understand that protagonist rotation only works in plot driven anime
sentai and precure are episodic and rotate protagonists just fine
>Pokémon was character driven from the start
Not really, it tried to be that AND plot driven at the same time.

Those examples you just googled are mixes of purely episodic and plot-driven IPs. You'd know this if you watched any of them, which you didn't.

>>57963900
Pokemon switch protagonist all time in the games and the game is more popular than the tranime, ash is not needed

>>57964300
>sentai and precure are episodic and rotate protagonists just fine
Wrong, they are more formulaic and focus more on plot.
Each of their series uses the same formula in different ways.
>Not really, it tried to be that AND plot driven at the same time.
Original series never had any plot and nether did any other Ashnime series. Horizon is the only one that tries too hard to be plot driven story about uncovering the mystery of Rakua & Rakulium that nobody gives a dam about.
>Those examples you just googled
Speaks for yourself. you only talk about protagonist rotation because that is what other anime did.

>>57961224 (OP)
literally all they had to do was cycle out characters for each gen we didn't need almost 30 fucking years of Ash and Pikachu jobbing and only letting him win because people bitched loud enough for the suits to actually change their mind about it

>>57964347
>literally all they had to do was cycle out characters for each gen
Then Pokemon anime would have died earlier as proven by Horizon.

>>57964203
You mean Ishihara and he wanted ash out years ago

>>57964341
game =/= anime
The game is just a wish fulfillment fantasy. If the anime did that than the protagonist has to be a massive Mary sue.

>>57964355
You mean the guy who thought Switch won't work and still lets Game-freak release unfinished glicthy games.

>>57961437
It's pretty obvious they were intending to pass the torch to May, but she was such a bimbo that hated battling that she never became the protag and Ash had to take over and "be" the protag again while May was given a pity arc with the Contest shit

>>57964350
to be fair nobody wanted one piece: pokemon edition people would've been more hyped about a proper tcg anime

>>57964381
Nobody wants an YGO:Pokemon edition ether.

>>57964183
>People literally watch Dragonball to see Goku obtain new power-up and transformation to defeat various enemy.

Clearly not since Dragon Ball is basically dead now. Same with Boruto. Their animes ended with non-endings and now with Toriyama dead, I doubt they'll even continue trying to make anime at this point because they haven't managed to produce worthwhile content that engages people

The examples you give are popular in the West due to longevity and legacy being some of the earliest anime to be localized faithfully and effectively but they aren't doing numbers anymore. Zoomers genuinely don't care about Trash, Goku or Naruto, only millennials making shitty references in their cartoons to their DBZ/Sailor Moon/Akira childhood do

>ygo
Lmao ygo anime already died, rush duel killed it, this a bad example

>>57964355
Reading comprehension is that hard, huh?

With yuri.

It's impossible at this point, the damage is already done, people already have a bad reputation about Pokemon and its anime,nobody is going to watch Pokemon anime, maybe pokespe because it's an old manga

>>57961224 (OP)
Replace ash with a new protag in Johto
Then make ash the johto final boss
New protag each gen

>>57964400
>Clearly not since Dragon Ball is basically dead now.
Dragonball Daima says hi and the manga contiunes. Dragonball is too much of a big IP for Toei to stop shilling.

>>57964345
>Wrong, they are more formulaic and focus more on plot.
They're very clearly episodic shows anon. You didn't watch them because they don't have Ash.
>Original series never had any plot and nether did any other Ashnime series.
The show kept pretending to be about Ash's journey to become a pokemon master by having "progress" being measurable through badges and pokemon caught. Ash wasn't supposed to be just there.
>. Horizon is the only one that tries too hard to be plot driven
It only seems that it "tries hard" because you have no other media experience, but it really isn't more serious about it than other kids shows.

>>57964350
Source?

>>57964381
Reasonable people wanted a pokemon anime for ages.

>>57964640
>They're very clearly episodic shows anon
You mean formulaic because they keep repeating the same formula over & over.

>The show kept pretending to be about Ash's journey to become a pokemon master by having "progress" being measurable through badges and pokemon caught.
And the only reason it worked because people actually wanted Ash to catch new pokemon, get gym badge, enter the league, defeat his rival and possibly win the whole thing as they ships him with all the girls that gets close to him.

>It only seems that it "tries hard" because you have no other media experience,
Speak for yourself who does not even notice Precure and Sentai has been repeating the same formula over & over to keep running.

>>57961224 (OP)
Would you have killed off Cynthia for good?