I think FRLG is the best Pokemon game ever (tied with Platinum and HGSS).

Sure, FRLG is not the most content-packed game because Emerald, Platinum, HGSS and BW2 all have more content than FRLG overall. But FRLG has some things that just make it special and unique. Like for example:
>Sevii Islands: an amazing island archipelago that cannot be experienced outside of FRLG
>Trainer Tower (there's a similar battle facility in Emerald called Trainer Hill, but it's not exactly the same, and FRLG's version is better)
>Fame Checker
>VS Seeker (shared with DPPt/BDSP)
>Trainer Card customization
>Selphy's requests
>Etc.

Furthermore, there's also something unique about FRLG's art style and visual presentation, that most other Pokemon games lack: wonderful details like the location preview feature, Teachy TV, the reminder of what you did before saving, etc. These are all things that enhance the overall game experience that we barely ever see in other Pokemon games.

But also, there are other more obvious reasons why I like FRLG so much: FRLG Red is my favorite player character design in the series, Charizard is my favorite starter, Kanto is one of my favorite regions, and I love the music too. I feel like all of these things combined create a fantastic experience for the player.

Thank you for reading, and please share your opinions about FRLG with me. Is it one of your favorite games too? Or do you have other favorites?

For me it's: FRLG = Platinum = HGSS > the rest

I completely agree, OP.
FRLG are the best remakes of the series, and have a very unique feeling. Which, though they feel different than Gen 1, is the same as what Gen 1 did. The look of Kanto is more lush but that also makes it feel more developed than even Hoenn because of the improved tree assets.
People hate on the Sevii Islands for being "empty" or "filler" content a lot, but that isn't really true. Every island has something to do, something new and interesting to find. And the dialogue of the people there is profound for a series like Pokemon, lots of reflections on life, slow paced people enjoying the little things, references to myth and the age of the world. It's very, very cool and it's why the "useless" spots there captivated me as a kid.
Think of TECTONIX's grave, or Cape Brink where you can unlock the ultimate power, or Tanoby Ruins just completely alone, or all of the surf routes that just end in open ocean as you pass increasingly small islets....

All of the little details make it great too, the Fame Checker and dungeon portraits are depth that doesn't need to be there but are. Maybe because they recognize that Gen 1 in the modern day doesn't have a huge amount of side content, when that was something they cared about, they went out of their way to add new stuff.

One thing about Game Freak is that at least as long as the original 3 (Tajiri, Sugimori, Masuda) are still around, is that Kanto is treated with respect and always has effort put into it in every version. LGPE has the shitty GO gameplay but it is incredibly well made, the graphics are simply styled but environments have a lot of subtle details and cute homages hidden in them. The music is redone joyfully in both games. And in Gen 3, FRLG had almost an entirely new tileset made even though RS had just been released after years of toil.

FRLG has it's shortcomings, like a weird refusal to decide if it's a pure remake or a Gen 3 game, but it's soulful.

>>57985930
Glad we agree, anon!

Btw, I think that the Sevii Islands are probably the best postgame in Pokemon. It's even better than the Kanto postgame in GSC/HGSS because it's brand new content, rather than recycled content.

>>57985828 (OP)
>no crobat until nat dex
>no espeon or umbreon at all
Things like this really detract from frlg.

>>57985997
Meh, I think they go for different things but they both do them perfectly. Gen 2 Kanto is a victory lap with a little bittersweet nostalgia mixed in, i.e. "You can't go home again". But compare the parts people say are dark or purposely depressing with the music-- things changed but it's still somewhere you love to be, in spite of your broader worldview. Especially at Vermilion, where the song cues in slow and sweet, and feels like looking over the sunset of life.
While Sevii is a "second quest" of sorts. You find new things, new Pokemon, fight off Team Rocket once again, and ponder the meaning of it all. It has an ethos unseen in the region, a mix of Kanto modernity and Johto old tradition. Remember that in Red's time, even in Gen 3, Pokemon were meant to be new and strange things, creatures that popped into existence just a couple of (human) generations ago, and are only now being discovered in detail thanks to the Pokedex quest. Even FRLG had Oak speak of new Pokemon never seen in these parts before when he gives you the ticket to the deeper islands. Yet, Sevii feels old and lived in, and there's characters there who have lived a whole life with Pokemon at their side (many NPC sprites are older people). At the center is Navel Rock where the old Legends of Johto roost, and in the far flung corner is Birth Island, where a new paradigm is set.

Content wise, totally! I love that they're all new, original things, with their own intent and not lifted from elsewhere. It's not as awesome as going back to Kanto and curbstomping the league, but it's awesome in a more human way. The slight story continuation, the attempt to modernize the lore of Gen 1 to jive with modern Pokemon, the addition of Braille to tie to the ancient peoples of Hoenn, the breeding daycare... It's incredibly thoughtful about what it does and why it's doing it, which is why it's able to feel like an adventure worth taking on.

>>57986016
ADHD zoomer.
Nobody complained about this in 2004 because you could get them in the other games and trade them over.
I agree they should have picked a firmer side about new vs old but they did choose to give the players a re-experiencing of RGB in the sense of locking you to the original Pokemon pool.

That's what having a developed post game is nice, you can use the new evos there.

>>57986063
I complained about it in 2004. Why do you defend the things you like in such a faggoty way?

>>57986065
You have no argument and you were in diapers in 2004. Sorry that prose scares you, retard.

>>57986016
that's what the universal pokemon randomizer is for, same with changing trade evolutions. granted you still can't get most of them until postgame because they're locked behind items found in the sevii islands.

>>57986074
I was bitching about the Ruby and Sapphire when I was zooming through Leafgreen to assist with Pal Park shenanigans but at the moment the games released they were ok. If you consider it a way to incentivize players to stick with the game and do the extra content it's very smart, yet all you hear today is the type who wants to complain that they could have just allowed free trades from the start and that they "never really """do""" the Sevii islands" because they "don't care" and just want to trade or whatever. Like these are the people who put us into the nupokemon shit era, those attitudes.

>>57986068
I was never making an argument. All I did was say my opinion and you started crying like a bitch.
>muh prose
Read a book

>>57986063
>developed postgame
frlg doesn’t even have a fucking battle tower

>>57986083
Yeah? Well I'm just stating my opinion that you're a low IQ (brown) faggot and likely a waste of life, considering you post like a total nigger on 4chan of all places.
I sincerely wish death upon you and yours. Take your own life if you have any pride as a person.

>>57986084
>muh battle tower
Slit your wrists, or throat, I don't care which.

>>57986084
what did he mean by this
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Trainer_Tower

>>57986089
Why are you so mad over this?

>>57986110
does the average player even catch 60 pokemon?

>>57986111
Just shut up, shitstain. You don't know how to discuss things, you just want to troll people. Why are you so brown?

>>57986122
Post your IQ please. I need a laugh.

>>57986122
maybe not but if you want the exp share you need 50, so 10 more isn't asking for much

>>57986126
Have fun dying for israel when you get drafted lmao

>>57986126
>you don't like not being able to evolve some pokemon?
>reeeee stop trolling me
based

>>57986126

Thanks for the (you)s, ranjeet
Sadly, you're still brown and still stupid, and I don't care what you post!

>>57986151
>bitch replying
You're crying so hard

>>57986063
Reminder that zoomers are reaching their 30s and bitching about any generation invalidates your post. You could've ignored the post instead of getting mad. You brought the shitposting upon yourself.

>>57986190
Zoomers are only just reaching 28, retard.

>>57986151
>I don't care
How to tell someone cares very much.

>>57986200
>ignores the point
>ESL
Oh you're that gen 2 schizo. There's 2 containment threads here just for you.

57986207
57986210
Try not to tear your pussy, playa

>>57986216
>ultra bitch replying now
kek

>>57986216
Your threads will never be good if your reaction to different opinions is zoomers, ADHD, it's not a problem, eceleb boogeymen etc.

Leaf Green will always be special to me
It was my last Pokemon game ever, never got a DS + grew out of Pokemon in general

It was so refreshing to go back to square one with fresh graphics with all the nostagia from starting with Red during Pokemania

>>57985828 (OP)
I think FRLG can be improved upon but thanks to Let's Go Piss Everywhere, we won't get a better Kanto remake. Fuck Pokemon GO for ruining the franchise forever

>>57986063
>Nobody complained about this in 2004 because you could get them in the other games and trade them over.
Plenty of people did, you stupid faggot. Plus have FRLG have retarded trade restrictions, so you're wrong there too.
>>57986068
>zoomer zoomer zoomer
FRLG/RSE are half the fanbases' first games for zoomies, retard

>>57985828 (OP)
You forgot
>eyecatches
>habitat sorter
Also FRLG caves and dungeons look 1000x better than RSE, Idk who on the gen3 hoenn team thought mono-coloring all their caves was a good idea but I'd like to speak to their manager

>>57986725
>eyecatches
Combined with the music and the marine theme of the post game they were really comfy and immersive.

>>57986725
>>habitat sorter
Ah yes! I forgot that FRLG also has the best Pokedex

>>57986084
>frlg doesn’t even have a fucking battle tower
It has the Trainer Tower, which is better than the vanilla Battle Tower.

FRLG is a fantastic game. The only thing that slightly bothers me about it, is that, apparently there is some potential cut content found in the game's files. Mainly it's these things:
>There is a "Pokemon healing tune" made in the original Gameboy style, suggesting that maybe they wanted to make a GB Sounds item like they did in HGSS later
>There's data for an unused house interior on route 19, where the Pikachu Beach House was in Pokemon Yellow, suggesting that maybe they wanted to port Pikachu's Surfing minigame from Yellow to FRLG. However, the same unused house interior exists on 2 other routes, so maybe it's just a coincidence
>There is data for 7 cut routes on the Sevii Islands: 4 cut routes around Four Island, and 3 more cut routes around Seven Island

Do you guys think we were going to get these things in the game, if the devs had more time? Or do you think they were removed for other reasons?

>>57985828 (OP)
>Thank you for reading, and please share your opinions about FRLG with me

I honestly prefer the originals in every way. Having Golem ROFL-stomping Koga's entire team with earthquake or Alakazam doing the same with Psychic (due to the combined Special stat) is something that brought me immense fun and is something you can't replicate in FRLG.

>>57986110
>not a battle tower
what did he mean by this

>>57987012
how? Because you're terrible at the game and can't beat the battle tower?

>>57987463
Psychic pokemon can still face melt everybody. Mons like Tauros and Persian were absolutely nerfed to shit though

>>57987469
>how? Because you're terrible at the game and can't beat the battle tower?
No? It's because the Battle Tower (in Gens 3 and 4) was shit. Every time you lost your streak you had to begin fighting against NFE Pokemon and it was just BORING. It wasn't until Gen 5 that the Battle Tower equivalents became good thanks to Super Rank, where you only face tough Pokemon).

Whereas in the Trainer Tower you face tough Pokemon from the beginning, and regardless of your winning streak.

who the fuck is using the Teachy TV?

>>57987659
>who the fuck is using the Teachy TV?
Nobody, but it's still cute

>>57985828 (OP)
They are definitely the remakes that took what made the originals good and expanded upon them in various ways. I think one of the main attractions here is the Pokemon League, as this was the first set of games in the series to have a Elite Four and Champion rematch w/ stronger teams and the expectation was that you'd keep training teams to take down this challenge if the trainer card stickers are evidence of this. Sevii was a clever way to add in some new or updated mechanics (breeding, berry "farming", post-game facility) but I also think it worked in tandem with giving players more exploration which while that was a focus in gen 1, couldn't really be fully realized due to hardware limitations. I think this is the reality of why Sevii is so fondly looked upon as it completes the promise that Kanto had in gen 1 for world exploration.
These games also were a departure from the expectations in Hoenn, as instead of having to only complete the regional dex for the trainer card star, you had to complete the national dex which just accents the "gotta catch'em all!" goal that gen 1 had, even if the actual process sucks in a fragmented dex like this. There's no contests but there are two wireless only minigames, plus the berry crushing machine and this sort of feels like a miniature version of bringing back Stadium 1 minigames.
I can't say for sure if these are my favorite remakes definitively but they are probably tied for ORAS in terms of favorites if we're weighing the overall goals of the game instead of just the 8 gyms + E4 + Champion battle.

Sevii Islands are undoubtedly fantastic. No other game has done the post-game that well.

>>57985930
>>57986725
>>57987684

What do you guys think about this? >>57987110

>>57987715
Based

What do you think about this? >>57987110

Do you think the Sevii Islands should have been expanded even further? For some reason, I think they'd perfect the way they are.

>>57987723
>GB sounds
I can take or leave that, to be honest.
>Pikachu surfing minigame cut
Would have been really nice to have especially since the point of the minigame and rewards would have been better realized, maybe this is a way you can teach Pikachu Surf instead of needing a distro or maybe it adds a ribbon.
>cut Sevii routes
They put a lot of purpose into Sevii and in my opinion a lot more than traditional routes. I would suspect that they were concerned about having too much unused space with no purpose with the cut areas in Sevii. I am sure that, with time, they could have come up with something.

>>57987742
Thank you for replying!

>GB Sounds: yeah I honestly don't think it's a feature that's very important. And I think that MAYBE they didn't want to repeat the feature twice for the same region, considering that HGSS also includes Kanto. So they decided to leave it for the Johto remakes. Or, alternatively, maybe they didn't like how the "GB Sounds" sounded on the GBA.

>Pikachu Surfing minigame: this would have been cool to have in FRLG, but I think it's more likely that the house interior planned for route 19 was just a coincidence, because there are two more identical house interiors planned for 2 other routes too. My guess is that the 3 house interiors were maybe planned for the 3 new special moves (elemental hyper beams). But in the end they decided to put all 3 of them on Two Island instead, with just 1 Move Tutor for all of them.

>Cut Sevii routes: I agree with you, I think they didn't want to have redundant routes on the Sevii Islands, precisely because they were very well thought overall. Also, from what I have read online, I think the 7 cut Sevii routes were actually "condensed", not cut. The 4 cut routes around Four Island, were probably condensed because in the final game, Four Island is the only Sevii Island without any routes. Icefall Cave and the Daycare were at the end of these routes, so they just put them on Four Island itself, making the routes unnecessary, I think.
As for the 3 cut routes around Seven Island, they were supposed to form a loop, and they probably thought it was unnecessary when you can have the route be a straight line.
So yes, I think the devs just decided to not make unnecessary extra routes for the Sevii Islands, because they are quality over quantity.

>>57987742
Also re:Sevii routes specifically
If I was a designer, I would probably do the following for those routes:
>extra Four Island routes
I would have added in a second safari zone that gives you a tiny bit of Hoenn Pokemon or some exclusive Johto Pokemon being found here and shifted around a bit with the Altering Cave spawns but with the allure of getting Pokemon with better base stats, essentially what they did for the Johto Safari Zone. This would couple with the fact that if this was near a day care, individual values could be passed down to offsprings. Of course this would be paired with a healthy supply of Kanto Pokemon to cover most egg groups.
>Seven Island routes
100% a water route where there's a fishing tour minigame akin to the Johto Bug Catching Contest but for water type Pokemon instead of Bug types, then just reward items like the Dive Ball or Rare Candies and such. Even have special encounters for specifically this Fishing Contest (like having different fish appear compared to you just going to this route and fishing), and have it done from the deck of a boat or something that spans the duration of this route.
Instead of locking it to days of the week, have there be like a 50,000 entry fee or something.
And there you go, more routes with purpose.

>>57987742
Thank you for replying!

>GB Sounds
Yeah I honestly don't think it's a feature that's very important. And I think that MAYBE they didn't want to repeat the feature twice for the same region, considering that HGSS also includes Kanto. So they decided to leave it for the Johto remakes. Or, alternatively, maybe they didn't like how the "GB Sounds" sounded on the GBA.

>Pikachu Surfing minigame
This would have been cool to have in FRLG, but I think it's more likely that the house interior planned for route 19 was just a coincidence, because there are two more identical house interiors planned for 2 other routes too. My guess is that the 3 house interiors were maybe planned for the 3 new special moves (elemental hyper beams). But in the end they decided to put all 3 of them on Two Island instead, with just 1 Move Tutor for all of them.

>Cut Sevii routes
I agree with you, I think they didn't want to have redundant routes on the Sevii Islands, precisely because they were very well thought overall. Also, from what I have read online, I think the 7 cut Sevii routes were actually "condensed", not cut. The 4 cut routes around Four Island, were probably condensed because in the final game, Four Island is the only Sevii Island without any routes. Icefall Cave and the Daycare were at the end of these routes, so they just put them on Four Island itself, making the routes unnecessary, I think. As for the 3 cut routes around Seven Island, they were supposed to form a loop, and they probably thought it was unnecessary when you can have the route be a straight line.
So yes, I think the devs just decided to not make unnecessary extra routes for the Sevii Islands, because they are quality over quantity.

>>57987828
I really like your ideas, especially your second idea about the Fishing Contest. This would have been really cool!

At the same time, tho, I think that the Sevii Islands look perfect the way they are. For example, my favorite Sevii Islands are PRECISELY Four Island and Seven Island, and I think they look perfect, and don't need additional any additional routes. So maybe the devs thought like me, and decided the Sevii Islands didn't need any additions.

AIslop samefag thread

>>57987629
>Every time you lost your streak you had to begin fighting against NFE Pokemon and it was just BORING
And this somehow makes the FRLG's tower where you fight NFE Pokemon and have zero chance of ever losing better because.......

>>57987629
honestly i've never played any of the battle facilities because i always thought you have to optimize a new team and i don't want to do that, are there any ones where you can just use your ingame team and not worry about wasting tms or having shitty natures or whatever?

>>57987659
I think you can use it to advance frames to RNG manip for shinies?
So shiny hunters who are utilizing the RNG manip specifically in gen 3, maybe

>>57987933
trainer tower/hill lets you spam items in battle, it's like a baby version of a battle facility. the main goal is to finish it in below a certain time to get better rewards

>>57987950
Tower has a time leaderboard but no time restriction to get the main prize, only Hill does. You only need to clear the Tower to get the prize.

>>57987959
then it's even shittier than i remember lol
the ironic thing is it's cheesable with a low level sonicboom/dragon rage user like crystal's tower

>>57987907
Because most of the trainers have fully evolved Pokemon like Charizard and Nidoking, even some have legendaries like Moltres iirc

>>57985828 (OP)
>VS Seeker
LeafGreen and Pearl were my first two Pokemon games; was surprised to find out that this wasn't a standard feature across most Pokemon games

>>57988001
>Because most of the trainers have fully evolved Pokemon like Charizard and Nidoking,
doesn't matter when there's zero chance of losing because it's retarded and not a real battle facility

>>57988053
>doesn't matter when there's zero chance of losing because it's retarded and not a real battle facility
I disagree. And besides, you can always self impose the rule of not using healing items. That makes it a fearsome challenge. But even when using healing items, it's iot an easy facility because you have to not just win, but do it fast. And healing between battles penalizes you as you're wasting time. I think it's very well thought overall.

>>57985828 (OP)
I couldn't agree more It's the only game in the series that doesn't feel like it's a straight line. I've only played gens 13456 though

>>57988037
In defense of that, the VS Seeker being exclusive to FRLG/DPPt makes it more unique.

>>57986122
If you don't get the natdex the postgame is incredibly bland, you're shooting yourself in the foot by not doing so

>>57988145
>I've only played gens 13456 though
You haven't played Gen 2? Did you at least play HGSS (the Gen 2 remakes)?
Either way, you're right about FRLG.

>>57988137
>I disagree
no one cares
>self impose the rule
so it doesn't stand on its own? you have to make up rules so it doesn't suck?
>do it fast
this was debunked 5 posts above you. learn to read retard

>>57988356
>no one cares
No one cares what you think either, idiot

>>57988365
glad we agree trainer tower is the worst "facility" in the series

>>57988389
We don't agree

FRLG is so based

>>57987933
>because i always thought you have to optimize a new team
I've never even done that when I played Emerald awhile back in my phone and I still did pretty good in the facilities. My Thick Fat, Calm Mind Grumpig that I used in the campaign did surprisingly well. It's doable with a campaign team, though you might get unlucky at times.

>>57987830
>>Pikachu Surfing minigame
The Pikachu Surfing minigame was likely never planned for FRLG. Or if they thought about including it, it was an idea that was quickly discarded. Because the whole idea is just kinda problematic, considering that Pikachu is not your starter, but just a regular Pokemon in FRLG. Also, it required a special Surfing Pikachu which cannot be obtained easily. Sure, they could've chosen to allow any Pikachu to participate instead, but then again why focus on Pikachu when Pikachu is not FRLG's mascot?

>>57987830
>>Pikachu Surfing minigame
The Pikachu Surfing minigame was likely never planned for FRLG. Or if they thought about including it, it was an idea that was quickly discarded. Pikachu is just not central to FRLG like it was to Pokemon Yellow (Special Pikachu Edition). That's what I think.

>>57988137
>I disagree
It doesn't matter if you disagree. There's literally zero chance of losing because of how it's built.

>"J-JUST PRETEND IT'S HARD BRO"
absolute clown tier cope

>>57990230
I'm sorry you're not capable of stopping yourself from using healing items

>>57990377
>ignoring base mechanics to pretend to have a point
Maybe you should use NFEs in the Battle Tower next time you start a new streak

>>57990433
>Maybe you should use NFEs in the Battle Tower next time you start a new streak
That would honestly help, but I always try to use my favorite Pokemon, which happen to be fully evolved ones.

Bump

I've always hated you can't rebattle the Gym Leaders. I know that wasn't a thing until Emerald, but kid me hoped that was the reward of completing their Fame Checker page.

>>57985828 (OP)
>I think FRLG is the best Pokemon game ever
I wish could appreciate as much as you do. The sevii island's barrenness and trade restrictions really hurt it for me.

>>57987727
I think Four Island could've been bigger and I wish FRLG had more Johto pokemon that were still missing until Emerald, such as Mareep, but yeah in general the Sevii Islands are perfect

>>57991072
>I've always hated you can't rebattle the Gym Leaders
Remember that Giovanni disappears after you beat him at his Gym. This means that, if Gym Leader rematches were a thing in FRLG, you would've only been able to rematch 7 of them, which would leave a feeling of incompleteness. So that's why I think Gym Leader rematches wouldn't have worked for FRLG.

>>57991149
>I think Four Island could've been bigger
The thing about Four Island, is that it was actually much smaller during development, and it only became its current size AFTER the devs decided to "condense" the 4 routes around it, and place the Daycare and Icefall Cave in the actual town of Four Island itself. So, while Four Island could've been a bit bigger, I'm glad it's as big as it is, and not smaller. Also, I REALLY like how Icefall Cave is just behind the town of Four Island, rather than on some separate route. It gives me Dragon's Den vibes, the way Dragon's Den is just behind Blackthorn city in Johto. I love both of those places.
>and I wish FRLG had more Johto pokemon that were still missing until Emerald, such as Mareep
True. I personally miss Houndoom a lot in FRLG. But I guess the reason for this is Altering Cave. It was meant to have distributions of some Johto Pokemon in there. But the REALLY weird thing is that Altering Cave is not functional in not just FRLG, but also in Emerald. Yes, Emerald added those same missing Johto Pokemon in Hoenn's Safari Zone expansion...but it still kept the non-functional Altering Cave in the game. I wonder why?

>>57986063
>Nobody complained about this in 2004
Yes we did. We complained so much, in fact, that Gamefreak added Yanmega, Tangrowth, Ambipom, Mamoswine and Lickilicky to the Johto Pokedex in HGSS.

> Move Mt. Ember to Cinnebar
> Make Sevii island postgame only and make islands 1-3 have gen 2 Pokémon and rarer Pokémon
> give every cartridge a different randomized password to unlock the national dex early so you can replay the game with gen 2 and 3 eggmons
There I made that shit 10 times better.

>>57991470
You can't get Electivire, Magmortar, and Gliscor though

>>57991805
>> Make Sevii island postgame only and make islands 1-3 have gen 2 Pokémon and rarer Pokémon
Good thing is, you CAN make Sevii Islands 1-3 postgame, if you decline Bill's offer to join him at Cinnabar.

But I agree that Sevii Islands 1-3 should have had Johto Pokemon too, like Sevii Islands 4-7

>>57991805
>> Make Sevii island postgame only and make islands 1-3 have gen 2 Pokémon and rarer Pokémon
The good thing is that you CAN make Sevii Islands 1-3 postgame, if you decline Bill's offer to join him at Cinnabar.
But I agree that Sevii Islands 1-3 should have had Johto Pokemon too, like Sevii Islands 4-7

Altering Cave shouldn't have existed in the way it exists.

>>57992978
What do you mean? Considering that the Altering Cave event was scrapped for both FRLG and Emerald, do you think that the Altering Cave should have been removed entirely from FRLG and Emerald?

In defense of FRLG, at the time of making the game, the devs didn't know that the Altering Cave event was going to be scrapped. My question is why was Altering Cave kept in Emerald, which came out 1 year after FRLG? Did the devs still have hopes that the Altering Cave event was going to take place? But if so, why did they still add the event Johto Pokemon in the Safari Zone expansion in Emerald?

I'm confused.

Wanna improve the Sevii Islands?
No generation 2 pokemon, F that.
What you really want to do is add Kanto regional variants and retcon them as Seviian Island forms. Now thats what I call KINO.

>>57986063
>Nobody complained about this in 2004
I did. I wanted my Scizor.

>>57993324
What a dumb idea, anon

>>57992989
>My question is why was Altering Cave kept in Emerald, which came out 1 year after FRLG?
It's an E-Reader feature iirc, it flopped hard on the west while Japanese Emerald still supported it

>>57992989
>do you think that the Altering Cave should have been removed entirely from FRLG and Emerald?
I would have been fine with the Altering Cave if you could catch any of the Johtomons in there somewhere else in FRLG.

>>57993621
Personally the only Johtomon that I miss in FRLG is the Houndour line

All the other good Johtomons are in FRLG (especially my favorite ones: Sneasel, Misdreavus and Tyranitar).

I like FRLG, but I don't understand why didn't they add Contests and Secret Bases to the game. RSE have Contests and Secret Bases, so why not FRLG?
I understand that Kanto is the most iconic Pokemon region, and maybe they didn't want to change it with things like Secret Bases scattered all around the place. And I guess maybe there was no space for a Contest Hall either (although Celadon and Saffron seem big enough for a Contest Hall, especially since Kanto had Contest Lenin the anime iirc).
But that's what the Sevii Islands are for! The devs could've just placed both of these features (Contests and Secret Bases) on the Sevii Islands, if they didn't want them in Kanto.
That way, FRLG would've had cool non-battle side content, something that it currently lacks.
Do you guys like my idea?

I like FRLG, but I don't understand why didn't they add Contests and Secret Bases to the game. RSE have Contests and Secret Bases, so why not FRLG?
I understand that Kanto is the most iconic Pokemon region, and maybe they didn't want to change it with things like Secret Bases scattered all around the place. And I guess maybe there was no space for a Contest Hall either (although Celadon and Saffron seem big enough for a Contest Hall, especially since Kanto had Contests in the anime iirc).
But that's what the Sevii Islands are for! The devs could've just placed both of these features (Contests and Secret Bases) on the Sevii Islands, if they didn't want them in Kanto.
That way, FRLG would've had cool non-battle side content, something that it currently lacks.
Do you guys like my idea?

Personally I think Secret Bases are a Hoenn thing, and I don't think they would work in Kanto. Kanto is supposed to be more industrial and not so nature-heavy like Hoenn. So, no.

As for Contests, they could've been included in FRLG, idk where, maybe in one of the bigger Kanto cities. Not in the Sevii Islands tho. The Sevii Islands are supposed to be more rural and calm, so I don't see a big show like Contests happening there.

Personally I think Secret Bases are a Hoenn thing, and I don't think they would work in Kanto. Kanto is supposed to be more industrial and not so nature-heavy like Hoenn. So, no.

As for Contests, they could've been included in FRLG, idk where, maybe in one of the bigger Kanto cities. Not in the Sevii Islands tho. The Sevii Islands are supposed to be more rural and calm, so I don't see a big show like Contests happening there.

>>57986063
>Nobody complained about this in 2004
I did. In fact, I probably complained about it before you played the fucking game, considering I had a Japanese copy before it came out in the West.
FRLG is ass, easily the worst remake. Yeah, I am willing to argue that BDSP adds more to the Sinnoh experience than FRLG adds to the Kanto experience. If I want to revisit Kanto, I'll play Blue thanks.
>B-but muh Sevii Islands
Filler shit that is antithetical to what people like about Kanto. "Hurr fucking durr let's add a slow, linear story heavy section of padding to this game that people praise for having non-linear elements and for being very story light."
>B-but it's optional
Not if you want to access literal any post-game shit, including shit that was just post-E4 in the originals.

Imagine NOT liking FRLG lol

It's easily the best Pokemon remake, maybe tied with HGSS.

>>57995687
HGSS didn't fix the main issues with Johto.

op keeps talking to himself

>>57985828 (OP)
My personal belief is that LGPE should've been set between FRLG and HGSS, and included a revamped and expanded Sevii Islands where you, primarily, challenge a handful of Trials with their respective Totem Pokemon and Trial Captains to challenge.

>>57986016
For the first (and Blissey) I wish they wouldn't go to the evolution screen at all until we can actually get them. Don't tease like that only to rip it away right in front of you.
For the second, their should have been something on the Sevii Islands that functioned like the Moss & Ice Rocks in Sinnoh but for Espeon and Umbreon. Put them pretty close to towns tho so they're not pains to get to.

I'll also add the needing to catch 60 (I think) Pokemon to get the post-game Sevii Islands a detraction as well.

>>57995712
>HGSS didn't fix the main issues with Johto
That's true, and I prefer FRLG over HGSS anyway. But not because of the flawed HGSS level curve.
I prefer FRLG for other reasons:
1. Red (FRLG version) is my favorite Player Character (although I love HGSS Ethan too)
2. Charizard is my favorite starter (you can also get a Charizard in HGSS but not as your starter so it feels different)
3. Brand new Sevii Islands archipelago are a better postgame than recycled and nerfed Kanto
4. VS Seeker is a much better rematch system than the PokeGear
5. FRLG Trainer Tower is unironically a better Battle Facility (for my taste, at least) than the 5 HGSS Battle Frontier facilities
6. This might sound petty, but I really hate the fact that in HGSS you have an obligatory Pokemon following you at all times. It gets really annoying when this feature isn't optional and you have a Pokemon breathing behind your neck CONSTANTLY

>>57995818
>This might sound petty, but I really hate the fact that in HGSS you have an obligatory Pokemon following you at all times. It gets really annoying when this feature isn't optional and you have a Pokemon breathing behind your neck CONSTANTLY
Yeah I don't like it either
Never got why they only had it for HGSS anyway

>>57993949
I like it

>>57985828 (OP)
I wish that they would bring back the list of optional names for the "what is your name" part of the intro that they had in Gen 1 and Gen 2 and Ruby and Sapphire. For some reason they removed it and went straight to the keyboard screen when they made Emerald and FRLG.

I absolutely hate having to either type in a name or entering a blank name and hoping I like the random name it decides to spit out.

I play a lot of Emerald and FireRed romhacks and it's a shame that nobody has thought to re-implement the name choice screen. Or to just skip the name thing all together and just go by the canon protagonist's name. RSE did it with the rival, making it so they always were named Brendan or May, so why hasn't anyone done the same for the player character??

I want to get into learning how to make romhacks just to create it ugh...

>>57996326
> yes I wrote this for another thread but it fits here even more so I copied it

>>57995752
>For the second, their should have been something on the Sevii Islands that functioned like the Moss & Ice Rocks in Sinnoh but for Espeon and Umbreon.
they had evolution stones for them in gale of darkness, too bad they didn't think of that a year earlier.

>>57992901
the problem is you have to go Sevii Island to get Magmar and Moltres. Moving Mt. Ember solves this.

>>57996320
Thank you bro

>>57991226
They could've made up for it with a Professor Oak battle

>>57997295
>Professor Oak battle
According to some FRLG files, the devs actually thought about having a Professor Oak battle, but ended up discarding the idea

Also, in LGPE, they literally teased the same idea of a Professor Oak battle, but it ended up being just a joke by Professor Oak himself.

Idk why they keep discarding the idea of a Professor Oak battle, but there must be something that stops them from doing it. Maybe in the end they keep deciding he is just a professor now, not a Trainer.

>>57997295
I think what makes up for it, is the improved Pokemon League rematches.

Best remakes:

FRLG > HGSS > LGPE > BDSP > ORAS

>>57999781
Hard to disagree with that sequence tbqh

>>57995752
They should've just let you have the gen 2 cross evos. Would've been kino to let the player be credited with "discovering" Pokemon that aren't in the Pokedex.

I know its a bit generic but I want to make a hack that attempts to be the "ultimate" Kanto experience.
What features would you want to see?

Split the Ruby&Saphire team with Morimoto(Emerald ) and Masuda(FRLG) surprisingly worked well.
But I felt FRLG has some problem Level design wise, like Emerald you can see the trainers positions to have more double Battle, FRLG has some times 2 trainers can see you at the same time but can't trigger a double Battle.
Also the no crobat was a bad move, I think would made more people use a zubat that way. And the seevi island felt weird like It has some cut content.

>>57998649
If they don't want to do a full Battle they should have a double Battle VS Oak and Agatha

>>58000213
>FRLG has some times 2 trainers can see you at the same time but can't trigger a double Battle
What do you mean? Can you give an example?

>>58000213
>And the seevi island felt weird like It has some cut content.
Why do you feel that the Sevii Islands have some cut content? What makes you think that?

>>58000273
It always felt like there was more things out there to discover that were somehow just out reach even after the post game.
I replayed FR last year and they still felt incomplete. I guess its because there isn't much of a story and you can't get all the Johto mons there. Still the Sevii Islands are some of my favorite locales in all of Pokemon. Rural Japan is cool.

>>58000292
>It always felt like there was more things out there to discover that were somehow just out reach even after the post game
And what are those things that feel out of reach to you?

I think that what you are describing is just the Sevii's intentional design. The Sevii Islands have some cool and mysterious locations that are purposely not fully explained, like Pattern Bush, Tanoby Ruins, the ruby and the sapphire needed to make Celio's machine work, etc.

These things don't make the Sevii Islands "incomplete". They just make them more mysterious, which is a purposeful design decision.

As for FRLG as a whole, I think it's the most complete remake that we've had. I do agree with you that there could have been more Johto Pokemon for us to encounter, but this doesn't make the game incomplete or anything.

This thread is paibful to read. I'm so fucking disgusted by all(most) of you

>game I didn't grew up with is unfinished
this is rushed and they should have released a rehash with the finished content

>game I grew up with is unfinished
ummmm actually it's an intentional purposeful decision to make the game feel more mysterious

>>58000349
>>game I grew up with is unfinished
>ummmm actually it's an intentional purposeful decision to make the game feel more mysterious
How is FRLG "unfinished"?

>>58000344
It's OP samefagging and thinking she's unique for liking a lazy, half-assed remake made solely because transfers were cut

>>58000357
What exactly is "lazy" and "half-assed" about FRLG? You are just using buzz words at this point lol

>>58000356
>>58000381
I'm waiting...

Anon: FRLG is lazy, half-assed and incomplete
OP: in what way?
Anon: *cricket sounds*

Yeah, amazing counterargument...

Still no reply about why FRLG and Sevii Islands are "incomplete". It's almost like the game is complete and haters are just hating for no reason.

>>58000349
>>game I grew up with is unfinished
>ummmm actually it's an intentional purposeful decision to make the game feel more mysterious
FRLG is not unfinished, retard

>>58001609
Yes it is. If they released a modern game with no battle tower you would be screeching endlessly about it.

>>58001519
You were literally told how it was incomplete and then you started coping with your “umm actually it’s supposed to be shit” response. Now stop bumping your thread just to get validation for your dogshit opinion, it’s getting sad.
>>58000292

>>58001621
>If they released a modern game with no battle tower you would be screeching endlessly about it.
FRLG does have a Battle Tower equivalent. It's called the Trainer Tower.

inb4 "it doesn't count"

Yes, it counts, idiot. It's the same thing, just with different rules.

>>58001683
>FRLG does have a Battle Tower equivalent. It's called the [thing that isn’t a battle tower equivalent]

>Yes, it counts,
If it counted then Emerald wouldn’t have both, dumbfuck.

>>58001621
>and then you started coping with your “umm actually it’s supposed to be shit” response
It's not shit tho? It's supposed to feel mysterious and magical. It's supposed to stimulate your imagination. Which it absolutely does.

You're an incredible moron and you don't understand game design.

I will ask once again: how is FRLG and/or Sevii Islands "incomplete"? In what way? I'm asking about facts, NOT your personal feelings, which is what >>58000292 expressed.

>>58001691
Agreed, no game in existence is unfinished. They’re just supposed to feel magical and stimulate your imagination.

>>58001691
>I'm asking about facts, NOT your personal feelings,
Then why are you using personal feelings to justify the game being unfinished?

>>58001690
>If it counted then Emerald wouldn’t have both
Emerald has 1 vanilla Battle Tower and 7 Battle Tower equivalents with different sets of rules (Dome, Factory, Arena, Pike, Pyramid, Palace and...Trainer Hill).

They all serve the purpose of battling Pokemon with the same level cap as your highest level Pokemon.

>>58001701
>and 7 Battle Tower equivalents
If they were equivalent to the Battle Tower why would they be in the game?

>>58001699
>Then why are you using personal feelings to justify the game being unfinished?
I didn't use my personal feelings. I only stated the obvious. Places like Pattern Bush or Tanoby Ruins are supposed to stimulate your imagination. There's nothing unfinished about them outside of your personal feelings of "but I expected there to be more :("

>>58001707
>If they were equivalent to the Battle Tower why would they be in the game?
Different sets of rules make the gameplay richer

>>58001710
So they’re not actually equivalent and the Trainer Tower has drastically shittier rules that make it not play at all like the Battle Tower. Glad we agree.

>>58001691
>I'm asking about facts, NOT your personal feelings,
He didn't use hid personal feelings. He only stated the obvious. There's nothing finished about them outside of your personal feelings of "but it felt mysterious :("

>>58001714
Yes, they ARE equivalent in value. And in function (they are battle facilities, they have a level cap, they don't give experience).

So, you can say "FRLG doesn't have the vanilla Battle Tower", but you CANNOT say "FRLG doesn't have a Battle Facility like the Battle Tower", because it absolutely DOES.

>>58001716
>There's nothing finished about them
What's unfinished about the Sevii Islands then? Give me facts, not your personal feelings. I'm genuinely curious.

>>58001720
>Yes, they ARE equivalent in value. And in function
where are the streaks?
where are the item limitations?
where are the randomized teams?
This is about as fucking retarded as claiming E4 rematches are equivalent to a battle tower just because you have to battle multiple NPCs in a row in both of them.

>but you CANNOT say "FRLG doesn't have a Battle Facility like the Battle Tower",
I actually can because they have zero similarities beyond both having “tower” in the name. You sound like a massive campaignshitter who hasn’t actually ever played either.

>>58001698
>no game in existence is unfinished
I guess some games are unfinished, FRLG is just NOT one of them.

I'd say for example ORAS feels unfinished with how they handled the whole "the Battle Frontier project has started!" situation.

>>58001708
>There's nothing unfinished about them
What's finished about the Sevii Islands then? Give me facts, not your personal feelings. I'm genuinely curious.

>>58001743
You sound autistic, with how you focus on the minimal differences instead of the much bigger similarities

>>58001746
>I'd say for example ORAS feels unfinished with how they handled the whole "the Battle Frontier project has started!" situation.
Nope. It’s just supposed to be mysterious and stimulate your imagination. Very purposeful by the devs.

>>58001753
You sound autistic, with how you focus on the minimal similarities instead of the much bigger differences

>>58001755
If you genuinely can't see the difference between "the Battle Frontier project has started!" and places like Pattern Bush or Tanoby Ruins, then you might actually be autistic. Idk.

>>58001762
You’re right, there is a difference. One is in a game you grew up with and the other is in a game you didn’t grew up with.

>>58001757
You're trolling :)

>>58001766
I didn't grow up with FRLG or ORAS, idiot.

My first game la are Blue and Silver. Nice try tho.

>>58001771
You’re projecting :)

Can we have ONE thread about something positive on this board without some autistic schizo deciding to derail it for a week straight? Maybe it's true, you people do need to be put on camps.

>>58001792
>Can we have ONE thread about something positive on this board
I don't know. I made this thread because FRLG is one of my favorite Pokemon games, and I wanted to talk about it. But suddenly, a bunch of hateful retards started barking about how FRLG is an "incomplete" game, and Sevii Islands are "unfinished". When I asked them to elaborate and say WHY they started trolling, probably because even they know that they're lying about the game.

>>58001801
Gen 5 glazers that only care about the two games it had have shitted up the board since its conception. The games that sold the LEAST in the mainline franchise, and they will always insist they're the best ones and shit on every other mainline game.

>>58001801
>>58001802
samefag

>>58001808
Sure thing bro, ask OP who made the Lapras emote and I'm sure he'll give you the answer 10 times out of 10. That Lapras emote is the only reason I haven't killed myself yet desu

>>58001802
I like Unova as a region, but the Unova Pokemon are mostly SHIT. They're just ugly Kanto knockoffs.

What your saying makes a lot of sense. Unova fans hate Kanto, so it would make sense if they're trying to shit on my thread because they're jealous of FRLG being better than the Unova games.

>>58001808
We are not the same person, but keep coping, schizo.

>>58001801
>>58001802
>>58001812
>>58001814
>>58001815
Samefag

>>58001816
Nope

>>58001801
The same retard that purposely misunderstands posts to get people riled up and then continues to troll like a mega faggot. Hopefully xhe ropes soon.

>>58001819
To fuck yourself. FRLG is one of the best Pokemon games. It's complete, and so are the Sevii Islands in particular.

You can keep coping about it.

Schizoposting should be a bannable offense.

>>58001819
Go fuck yourself. FRLG is one of the best Pokemon games. It's complete, and so are the Sevii Islands in particular.

You can keep coping about it.

>>57986084
>frlg doesn’t even have a fucking battle tower
FRLG has a Trainer Tower instead, which doesn't appear in any other Pokemon game. This only makes FRLG more unique. You just scored an own goal

>>58002394
Read the previous posts instead of bumping your thread again just to make yourself look retarded.

>>58002394
lmao did you actually respond to that post 4 times just to bump this shitty thread

>>58001801
and those same hateful retards suddenly redirected the conversation to unova. discordfags simply won't accept for any old game regardless, except for feigned praise for dp because it's the one old game that gets shit by normal people. it's actually so fucking insane and pathetic

>FRLG isn’t unfinished because it has some filler postgame islands with zero fucking replayable content on them except for a drastically watered down battle tower that plays nothing like the battle tower
>ORAS is unfinished because it’s missing the battle frontier even though it has five different battle tower formats, inverse battles, battle institute, restaurant battles, etc
>”w-wait why do you think FRLG isn’t actually good and I’m a disingenuous nostalgiafag”

>>58002428
this is one of the most schizophrenic things I’ve ever read. frlg have always been dogshit and 70% of this thread is OP bumping it by replying to posts he already seethed at 2 days ago lol

>>58002451
the thing you have been proven to have been doing for literal years is "schizophrenic"? no, what's schizophrenic is your delusions about op. believe it or not, people outside your discord actually like this series

>>58002456
>d-discrorrrddd
ok post proof of this magical discord made to shit on frlg you delusional faggot

and yeah, you can easily tell its OP samefagging to keep his shitty thread on page 1. look how many times he makes posts then reposts it minutes later just to bump the thread https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/57985828/

>>58002400
>>58002402
>>58002451

Schizo detected

>>58002485
nice now delete this post and make it again in 10 minutes to bump lol

>I care about what pokemon games other people think are the best
You're all fags.

Call me crazy but I always hated the lack of day n night cycle in gen 3 games. For some reason it's a very important feature for me. It's just cozy. Also I like weekly events like the bug catching tournament, driftloon or lapras etc

>>58002504
I think the vibe of Johto worked really well with the day/night cycle and it would not have been as cool in gen 3. I agree it’s disappointing it isn’t present, but it wouldn’t carry the same feeling even if it was in there. GS has a much smaller, cozier feel where there’s no really big, planet destroying problem, it’s more your growth as a trainer and your journey, which works with a day cycle mimicking real passage of time

Actually FR/LG does have some cut content (a few routes near Four Island and a few other routes south of the Tanoby Ruins), but that's hardly any different from every other Pokemon game ever made.
The only difference is that the cut Sevii routes made it further along the way before being ultimately cut due to being redundant. Other Pokemon games have just as much cut content, if not more, but it was cut earlier during development so it never made it into the actual game files. DPPt is an example of this (there was a build-your-own-gym feature planned for those games), but it's probably true for every Pokemon game, and every video game ever. That's how game development works: some things are always discarded in favor of others.

>>58002504
Yeah it's stupid they left a day night cycle out. Especially given Gen 4 revived it.

>>58002804
Gen 4 is the gen where everything came together perfectly imo. Also the mons added in gens 2 to 4 still felt like they were part of the same world as gen 1, making it feel coherent.

bumped her thread to talk to herself from page 7

>>57986016
I agree, but I still think it's a nice game.

>>58001757
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57985828 (OP)
Are there any ROMhacks like a modern FRLG where it just adds QOL shit and slight changes rather than a whole new game?
Like similar to Modern Emerald/Polished Crystal but for FRLG

>>58004165
yes but I suspect you don't actually care and just wanted to bump your shitty thread again

>>58004177
Lol

>>58004177
Cope harder lol