Would this guy ruin Pokèmon writing if he was in charge of the lore and game stories, and even music?

>>57999366 (OP)
if anything he would save it

>>57999366 (OP)
>everything is a millennial-tier joke
>fag pandering
no

>>57999366 (OP)
>if he was in charge of the lore
so he'd just go full in on pokephillia being the norm once upon a time

My headcanon is Game Freak asked Toby for advice for this mon and took it. Thing looks like an Undertale random NPC.

no

>>57999366 (OP)
No.

>>57999403
He wouldn't? Good to see you have faith in him!

>>57999366 (OP)
There'd be a lot of meta humor, so yes

>>57999432
and meta story
meta everything

>>57999366 (OP)
letting him have creative control over anything should be illegal
his contributions to the already awful SV ost make me want to throw up

>>57999366 (OP)
He would make it more popular.

>>57999366 (OP)
Absolutely yes. Even if people love to shit on GF, gens 4, 5, 7, and maybe 9 showed they actually can write simple but perfect stories for pokemon. i don’t want someone who thought it was funny to sneak a song originally about male pregnancy called “I’m having a baby and the baby is you” into the SwSh ost anywhere near pokemon

>>57999498
It's not unheard of for kids media to get into male pregnancy. Just look at Fairly Odd Parents
Also this is showing up soon so >58000000

>>57999502
>>58000000
I'm retarded

>>57999366 (OP)
He already ruined Pokémon, what do you think?
>>57999498
>i don’t want someone who thought it was funny to sneak a song originally about male pregnancy called “I’m having a baby and the baby is you” into the SwSh ost anywhere near pokemon
And this is how he ruined Pokémon.
>>57999472
This.

>>57999498
>i don’t want someone who thought it was funny to sneak a song originally about male pregnancy
that was based and hilarious

>>57999509
Sneaking in a motif from an old joke song ruined Pokemon?

>>57999381
>>57999432
>>57999457
>>57999472
>>57999498
>>57999509
Andrew? Andrew Hussie? Is that you?

Andrew, I can't and won't make this any simpler for you.

You failed at life. You failed. When one thinks of what man is capable of, pushing himself to the limits physically, mentally and emotionally to achieve heights of success never before mentioned, your name will not be whispered in the same, reverent fashion that others have.

Nobody will remember Andrew Hussie. You aren't even a header or a footer in the career of someone else. You are nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

In short, you are an enormous failure.

Andrew, being that you're about 35 years old and your brain has probably hard-wired itself to accept such failures by now and write off such criticism by being "flippant", really suggests that you've passed beyond the proverbial breaking-point. There's no turning back. This is your career, this is what defines you and this is what you'll defend to the end.

The abhorrent failure that is MS Paint Comics, Andrew Hussie, that is your legacy.

Maybe I'm over-reaching, however. Who knows? People CAN change. Maybe you'll read this, Andrew, and think long and hard about what a wasteful life you've led. Maybe you'll think, "wow. It's incredible just how abysmal and pathetic I really AM!" Maybe you'll lift some weights in the morning. Maybe you'll take a self-help class.

Maybe in a couple of years, Andrew, you'll have learned from this failure. I doubt it, though.

I genuinely doubt it.

Now excuse me, I have to work on Deltarune. My accountant estimates over one hundred and sixty million dollars in sales.

>>57999498
>thought it was funny to sneak a song originally about male pregnancy
That is actually pretty funny.

>>57999366 (OP)
His writing is pretty basic moralfaggotry with fuckton of weird jokes and memes. I'm pretty sure that there's group of people that would appreciate it, but personally I'd pass.

>>57999366 (OP)
>Would this guy ruin Pokémon writing if he was in charge of the lore and game stories
He would make the most vocal posters on /vp/ happy, but I hate them so I think he would ruin it.
>and even music?
He already is, and the only track I've liked from him was extremely generic.

>>57999397
A lot of them look like shitty indie creature creations, don't they?

>>57999696
>Needed to increase the sales estimate by $100 mil
It really does disappoint me how many people worship this guy and consider him a gaming messiah. Made me realize how little I have in common with the average gamer.

>>57999830
>indie creature creations
Well, they are. Undertale is an indie game where everybody is a creature.

>>57999673
One of many reasons Pokémon is ruined, but it certainly was the straw for me. I don't want anything to do with Homestuck, and by extension Undertale and Deltarune, in media I wish to consume. That aside, it doesn't fit the context. What does putting in notes from a mpreg troll song for a completely unrelated IP have to do with endless battles in Galar's Battle Tower?
>>57999830
>It really does disappoint me how many people worship this guy and consider him a gaming messiah.
I find the level of idolization many have with him, let alone any one man, very disturbing.

>>57999899
I was talking about Scarlet and Violet, but sure that too.

>name your rival Gaster
>game crashes

>>57999904
>I don't want anything to do with Homestuck, and by extension Undertale and Deltarune, in media I wish to consume. That aside, it doesn't fit the context. What does putting in notes from a mpreg troll song for a completely unrelated IP have to do with endless battles in Galar's Battle Tower?
I sincerely think you need to go outside for a while. Life is too short to be this autistic.

>>57999926
>dislikes fire riolu
Why tho.

he would make a game 1000 times better gamefreak

>>58000095
I wouldn't say I dislike it, it just doesn't look like a Pokémon to someone like me that grew up with older Pokémon. I already wasn't a huge fan of Riolu when I originally learned about it, but Charcadet just looks like it was originally meant to be one of those Gogos characters that they gave a little more detail so that it would look more like a Pokémon.

I think it'd be interesting because he's sort of restricted to Pokemon's setting and long history instead of getting the greenlight to just make up anything he wants to like he can with the games he makes from scratch. So it'd still be his flair, but within Pokemon's scope.

>>57999366 (OP)
The music so far has been kino, but I don't trust him for the lore.

>>57999366 (OP)
Toby Fox's own games are shitty internet humor laden cringefests as it is, he'd just make pokemon's writing a different brand of shit

>>57999366 (OP)
Some bits of SVs story were already VERY clearly inspired by Toby Fox's style.
I mean think about it. GF specifically hired him for 3 different games already. They are clearly big fans of him - which isn't surprising, Undertale is insanely popular in Japan. And if I remember correctly, Pokémon music was one of his main inspirations for composing music.
While I don't think Toby himself had any hand in the actual writing (he'd be credited for it if he were), his influence shows here and there.
All the story finale stuff in Area Zero uses his music. There is this whole thing at the climax with Miraidon/Koraidon "breaking free" from the party UI when the player interacts with said UI. That is pretty similar to how Undertale plays with its UI in a very meta way, like the Asgore fight.
Then there's the whole story with Kieran, which also has some subtle meta commentary about how Kieran almost sees through the MC being the "hero of the story". He was dangerously close to breaking the fourth wall here and there.
A bit of a tinfoil hat tier theory admittedly, but there is also this whole vague implication about a timeloop across multiple timelines, in other words the exact kind of schizo lore flavour that Toby likes and writes. I mean, listen to the credits music of the DLC, which is Ed Sheeran's song remixed by Toby (which is already a bizarre concept by itself):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eKmeb07Hc6g
>"I get stuck"
>"rinse and repeat"
>tons of repetition of those phrases
If that's not supposed to be some sort of meta commentary on the implied timeloop bullshit, then I don't know what it is. Extremely weird credits song either way.

In other words, the influence is 100% already there. I think it's fine to this extend, but I don't want him to be in charge of everything either. This mix of Toby's influence and him composing select music tracks (together with Go Ichinose) and GFs own work works pretty well. I don't want Pokemon to lose its identity.

>>57999673
yes, he ruins everything he touches by doing this kind of thing
like his attempts to butcher the OFF remaster forcing mortis ghost to do damage control because of how egregious it is

>>57999904
Holy autism Batman!

>>57999904
>What does putting in notes from a mpreg troll song for a completely unrelated IP have to do with endless battles in Galar's Battle Tower?
Why does it have to do anything with the battle tower? Why does it matter?

>>57999696
Meds

Since the mpreg song keeps being brought up... I can't actually hear it.
I've listened to both side by side and I just can't hear it. It's not like I *can't* hear these such similarities either, I figured out Link Up was a remix of Workmen from JUST the bassline(Command and Conquer.) I think a couple of guys heard it in a stretch and now everyone listens for a pattern that isn't actually there.

>>58000478
I dunno dawg. I can hear it just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUdTV5x0X0&t=9s

>>57999472
The Tera Raid theme is one of the best songs in the game.

>>58000368
Do you have the full rundown of damages? From what little I've seen, OFF fans aren't happy.

>>58000368
From what I've heard, they had to include that because they don't own the rights to the original thing that appeared there.

>>58000408
>using batman memes in 2019
yikes

>>57999366 (OP)
Who the actual fuck is that?

>>58000408
Where do you think we are?

>>58000478
It definitely sounds similar, but I don't think it was intentional. I can't imagine he would approach his first time composing for Pokémon with the intent of putting in a stupid joke that only a few people would get.

>>58000320
I do wonder why Undertale is so popular in Japan. I mean it's a fun enough game, but I don't understand what exactly about the game makes the Japs go crazy for it.

>>58001099
I think it might be because it feels they see it as a love letter to Japanese RPGs. Toby Fox was also pretty clearly influenced by the writing styles of the games he was inspired by, so I guess the writing appeals to their sensibilities.

>>57999381
> fag pandering
I never played the series yet, but is this true? Or is it resulted by the autistic fanbase who want to fuck that goat thing?

>>58001127
There are queer characters, but it isn't as shoved down your throat as people would lead you to believe (for the most part, anyway).

(Although Noelle's crush on Susie can get a bit grating)

>>58001127
Noelle and Susie are canonically into each other. As a /u/fag I approve even if Susie is ugly

>>58001119
I see the Earthbound/Mother 3 comparison, and I recall the game referenced an opera scene from Final Fantasy, but it doesn't really play like a JRPG. It just references some of them. Any other references I missed?

>>58001151
There's influences from Brandish (the line "it's too dark to see near the walls" has been explicitly stated to be a reference), and the moss in Deltarune is a reference to Illusion of Gaia. There's also a lot of Touhou influence (although it isn't an RPG, It's still worth mentioning).

>>58000320

Don't want to sound like a wet blanket but he had nothing to do with the actual gameplay or game direction. There was a lot of noise near release that got parroted online about how he secretly designed the game but he, to this point, has just been a guest composer.

>>58000794
>I can't imagine he would approach his first time composing for Pokémon with the intent of putting in a stupid joke that only a few people would get.
I can imagine. His writing seems to give off a condescending air with remnants of his edgy "TL;DR eat shit, faggots" days and his work has amassed a cult to where if anyone else did the same they'd be rightfully raked over the coals, but since it's Toby Fox, they'd think it's "based" and "hilarious" like >>57999531 and >>57999707.
>>58000669
They could've just slightly altered the fish's face to avoid copyright while still keeping the original intent instead of another unsubtle "TOBY FOX HELPED WORK ON THIS" reference.

>>58000599
really the biggest offender that people don't like is the new dedan fight music https://youtu.be/Lut0dI8haFM?si=Bnz7k1h8SViGm-8K&t=35
the backlash was probably pretty blown out of proportion, and i can't say i'm not a part of that, but it's not his game, he shouldn't try to make it his game
i get the excuses, if they don't have the copyright to the fish and the old composer isn't interested, that's fine, but plastering toby fox everywhere is not a good solution to either problem

>>58001317
>they'd think it's "based" and "hilarious"
I mean you'll always find people who find that shit funny. Especially on 4chan. Like, where the hell do you think we are? This site may have fallen from grace but we still have our own irreverent edge lurking about.
>They could've just slightly altered the fish's face
I'm not sure they could, actually. Microsoft owns what's left of iD now, and Microsoft is just as bad as Nintendo when it comes to ANY references or fan works. The dopefish is pretty damn recognizable and any "slight" alteration probably wouldn't be meaningful enough to really dismiss the threat of lawsuit.
Honestly, they should've just scrapped it outright. However, this isn't a /terrible/ option, if you absolutely wanted to keep the event without scrapping it. I'd even argue it's probably one of the better options, because it keeps the original "feel" of the easter egg(that of using a brand mascot that only appears once in the entire playthrough for a grand total of 0.6 seconds,) unlike just making it a generic fish which loses EVERY part of that easter egg's original intention.
Not sure what else is "fucked up" about the OFF remake since I haven't really paid much attention. Got anything else that Toby Fox managed to fuck things up on, or is it seriously just this? (Nothing wrong with being a purist, genuinely just curious.)

>>57999366 (OP)
Tell me that's not that fetus who made an earthbound knockoff.

>>58001099
It's pretty simple actually.
>plays around with lots of JRPG tropes which makes it feel like a genuine homage
>music goes hard and is reminiscent of Touhou music, which is crazy popular in Japan and its internet culture
>the Japanese localisation is REALLY good, possibly better than English, because Toby is a massive fucking weeb who is actually fluent in Japanese
>has rhythm game elements, and rhythm games are always way more popular in Japan compared to the West
>>58001189
Yes, I know, that's exactly what I said. GF was inspired by his work, but he didn't actually work on the game at all beyond composing.

>>58001331
You say out of proportion, I say needs more backlash.
>>58001366
That's the fetus who made an earthbound knockoff.

>>57999830
Gaming messiah, eh.. Undertale was near and got good publicity. Deltarune's free demo was very goofy and funny. I haven't bought the extension yet, and I'm glad my feed isn't hellbent on spoiling me rotten. He's alright but has pretty obvious flaws, including mapmaking. All the straight lines in his games make SwSh & SV look like Fallout.

>>57999926
>sperm eyes
Fuck this overdesigned mon and it’s shillmon evos

>>58001127
Eh, there's gays present. But it doesn't rub it in your face in a "look how progressive this game is we smashed two same-sex characters together" way but more in a "these two characters would be cute together" sort of way. Like these dudebro guards in Undertale who you pacify by getting them to confess to each other which is played mostly comedically. Or the romance between Noelle and Susie that's a stock /u/ pairing of quiet girl and delinquent.

Although that hasn't stopped the usual suspects from latching onto it and worshipping it like it's some profound breakthrough in gay representation, like they do every fucking time a gay character shows up in anything.

You cant criticize any of his games because its a massive moving faggot echo chamber, even back when he did a song for swsh that was shit and boring you couldnt criticize it.

>>58001366
>>58001441
>fetus
Isn't he in this 30s?

Yes. His writing is shit

>>58001678
Shhh, let them keep going. I'm into unbirth.

>>58001660
It sounds like you just don't know how to criticize things with tact. This whole thread is people criticizing it.

FYI, part of tact is understanding before hand the reaction you are likely to get by the people who are going to hear you speak.

>>58001696
>with tact
im not talking to toby fox

>>58001713
You're talking to his fans which would be exponentially worse. Toby knows that he sucks. Or at least he's good at pretending to be humble.

>>58001719
What this anon said. Where are you going to criticize it? Are you explicitly going into places where fans gather? Are you actually critiquing it, or are you just bashing it? These are all things that you have to consider.

God I miss the IP counter.

>>58001888
Any idea why they removed it? Was it because of the 2024 election?

>>58001127
The game keeps reminding you that the protagonist is nonbinary

>>58001992
There's been a massive drop in 4chan traffic. The most likely reason for its removal is twofold.
A) It's very easily thwarted (just unplug your router in most cases)
B) Traffic is down by like 80% from the days of Moot.

>>58001992
That's mainly just the extremely vocal fans who insist upon it. The game keeps the protagonist's gender ambiguous, but that's about it.

>>58002003 replied to the wrong post, I meant to tag >>58001989
Also hey 4chan's birth year.

>>58001992
I didn't even notice this at all while playing Undertale and Deltarune ch1. In what ways does it remind you? Or does it just use non gendered language like a lot of games that let you pick the name/gender of the protagonist?

>>58002003
Thanks for the reply anon, I should visit the archive more often to experience what past 4chan looked like

>>58002025
It's insane how badly things went when Sword and Shield have released. This board's been frozen in this terrible state since that game's release.

>>58001992
No It doesn't. The protagonist has no set gender because Kris Is the self-Insert.
>>58001127
The only major character who Is gay or considering other things more likely bi due to being Into anyone or anything she considers dangerous or could mess her up Is the deer girl, Noelle. Noelle can also be groomed Into doing some really bad things which results In a different route with her being both scared of and Into the player.

>>58002003
>More people on the Internet
>Traffic is down
I mean I get everything is becoming centralized, but it still surprises me.

>>58002046
I don't understand why everything is centralizing honestly, but I can understand partially why 4chan in particularly is rapidly losing users.
Hiroyuki lets things sit for too long and rarely bothers with public interaction across the site. The moderation is rigid, and mysterious at times. Absolutely NOTHING has been done to defuse the animosity towards the admins, which has just let every stew in this frustration.
4chan's just poorly managed and there's no attempts to cultivate community, basically. I can't blame everyone because it'd be easier to restart at this point, but it's still tragic.

>>58002039
Can this be imputed to covid lockdown in general for the site? /ic/ worsened from that moment too and the nft and ai situation didn’t help. Although I still prefer this place than any other social media site.

>>58002061
Oh yeah COVID definitely intensified things too. We're never recovering from that mistake on mental health.
>I still prefer this place (over) any other social media
Same, which is just telling of how fucked social media is. This place is a fatal trainwreck with no survivors being looped for 5 years on end, it'd be really easy to beat 4chan, but... none do.

>>58002054
Centralization is a multilayered issue. For one thing the original convenience of bigger sites caused many people to congregate there without needing to go to smaller sites, and the tighter grip larger companies have on things like search engines makes it less feasible for a smaller site to get the traffic they need to be worthwhile. This compounds as the big pillar websites like DeviantArt, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Discord, Youtube, and even 4chan become so big that they become potentially very profitable. Changes to the site that are profit motivated cause the functionality to dip as quality suffers. This makes people leave for greener pastures, but the only place they can go is another big site. So the big sites that remain get more centralized and shitty in a cycle.

>>58002064
So the main problem I'm getting from this is search engines. Fair assessment or would you point to something else being a part of the root?

>>58002077
Looking for a root is, sadly, not a real solution. Like I said, its multilayered. A lot of our problems in society are right now. A lot of smaller issues that wouldn't be too big of a deal compound into a shit storm. Trying to find a single thing to blame is usually just a scapegoat.

For example, the search engines aren't a single issue. One side of the coin is search engines becoming more tightly content controlled, but the other side of the coin is websites themselves being capable of search algorithm manipulation. Even if all search engines became non-biased, the bigger websites would have the reasources to tailor their sites to show up at the top of the searches. Even if you fix one problem it won't be enough.

>>58002087
Hrmm... Fair enough. I think your assessment might have a hole but I can't quite verbalize why I think there's something major missing. I'm going to chalk it up to "you didn't want to write something comprehensive," which is fine.
I only nailed the search engine thing because I want to make my own search engine.

>>57999366 (OP)
He would be fired before a single game came out because he's a lazy hack who doesn't work. Gayfreak would be all the worse for his presence.

>>58001127
Getting the best ending in Undertale requires you to sit through an ugly dyke dating segment. In Deltarune two of the main characters are dykes and end up into each other, with one of them having that attraction repeatedly joked about. It gets old.

>>58002054
It's insane how little work Hiroshimoot and the mods do to maintain the site.

I mean just look at the rules. They haven't been updated in ages. Who the fuck says "flamewar" anymore? Why is there no "no gen wars" rule for /vp/? Why is pony content still banned despite having lost all relevancy years ago? How are there no new rules for shit like s*yjak posting?

They're just not doing anything. The recent hack proves this too, they haven't changed anything since moot left which is why there was a huge security hole.

>>57999696
shut the fuck up you preddit-spaced copypasta I'm not reading all that

>>58001127
It has gay and such characters, so the /pol/ tourists get angry.

>>58002103
>who says flamewar anymore
I do but that's probably beside the point. What would you replace it with?
>no genwars rule
https://4chan.org/rules#vp
It's right there, RULE 4. It's considered "inciting flamewars" in the report option.
It does not get enforced even when reported.
>why is pony content still banned
I don't know.
>how are there no new rules to deal with [unfunny new memes]
Global rule 6 I think would've curbed it but when's the last time it's been utilized?
Also, global rule 8 exists, which is infuriating because how the hell are we supposed to have these conversations? /qa/ doesn't exist(and wasn't even being used for that purpose anyways.) I've actually been BANNED for making a post to report rulebreaking threads before because of it. >>55898695 (Yeah it wasn't well handled but at least I was desperately trying to fight the fire.)

>>58002111
/pol/ belongs here and you don't, no matter how much you project or try to distort reality, invader filth

>>58002131
The main problem is that /pol/ users will then proceed to bring the topic of /pol/ into the other boards, completely uncalled for.

>>58002003
VP alone.

>>58002133
"everything is political" is what the kind of people who whine about /pol/ say when they think they're winning

/pol/ was never a containment board

>>58002162
Ah yes, that crock of shit.
Guess what? It also belongs in >>>/pol/. Politics should not be slithered into everything. It's like drinking sulfuric acid. It only harms.

>>58002131
Bro, it was made as containment board purely to keep schizos in their own corner, which they regularly break and breaking global rules and thus widely hated. And most of its posters were born after 2000 and a lot only got onto site in 2010s. So your all actual babies to me.

>>58000368
mortis ghost did "damage control" because he didn't want people to think Toby took full control, like your post kind of seems to imply

Popping in to say SwSh deserved the Baby is You being in the game

>>58001335
Not that anon, but I will never forgive this fucker for ruining the only interview with the creator of Yume Nikki, who is infamously reclusive and we know nothing about
He took it as an opportunity to make it about himself by turning it into another Quirky Toby Joke by asking stupid questions and restricting it to yes/no answers

Pic is from an official EarthBound comic he contributed to, which I feel is a similar deal to the whole Dopefish/Dedan theme controversy
His cult acts like he's some kind of humble saint but in reality I feel he intentionally goes out of his way to draw attention to himself

>>57999381
More?

>>57999502
The animation industry is full of pedos and exhibitionist coomers who want to force their fetish onto the public. Dan Schneider is a well-known case
I wish more people/places talked about this

>>57999502
>>58002298
tbf late fairy oddparents was weird, earlier season were better

>>58002295
Cool cherrypicking coomer

>>58002307
that's the bare minimum tho

>>58002311
>[Headcanon]

>>57999366 (OP)
Can someone make an edit of the HOPE meter from Chapter 3 that just says COPE? I feel it'd be useful for threads like this.

>>58001654
I hate how the game forces the message: "You must follow the story as I say"

Lesbian NPC couple. GOOD

Your character trying to have a romantic route with anyone. BAD

Part of the charm of an RPG is having that freedom to make your own decisions, whereas this game tries to educate you on what's right and wrong.

It's like in Pokemon, every time you start a battle, N appears and gives a speech about how bad it is to make Pokemon fight, and if you abandon the fight your Pokemon automatically levels up, and every time you defeat a Gym Leader, your character gradually transforms into a Ghetis Pokémon. It's not subtle at all; they're directly influencing your decisions.

>>58002334
>It's like in Pokemon, every time you start a battle, N appears and gives a speech about how bad it is to make Pokemon fight, and if you abandon the fight your Pokemon automatically levels up, and every time you defeat a Gym Leader, your character gradually transforms into a Ghetis Pokémon. It's not subtle at all; they're directly influencing your decisions.
that's called ludonarrative dissonance

>>57999366 (OP)
>The Pokemon fanbase would be even more insane with faggotry
No thank you

>>57999366 (OP)
he kinda cute tho

>>58002334
>Your character trying to have a romantic route with anyone. BAD
Is this about the weird route or

>>57999366 (OP)
Honestly he'd respect the lore enough to be decent

>>57999509
To be fair he only made that song to BTFO jannies, are you gonna take the side of a janny?

>>58002683
It's probably the fact it's a more on-rails JRPG experience, than it is about the weird route explicitly.
>Part of the charm of an RPG is having that freedom to make your own decisions
Undertale educates you on what's "right and wrong" (Pokemon Black and White style)
Deltarune doesn't, but it was originally stated to not have a choice
Just my interpretation of the rambling though.

>>58002702
>MSPA forums
I'd take neither side. When it comes to Homestuck, everyone loses.

>>58002683
NTA, but maybe it's because in other games it's normal to have love interests for the player as something secondary without affecting the plot much like DQ5, whereas in Deltarune it feels like a strong "don't touch my OTP" on the part of the creator.

>>58002783
>It's ok to have OTPs if it's the MC
If Susie was the MC there wouldn't nearly be as many complaints about Susie x Noelle. People just need to be able to self insert and are for some reason unable to if it's not the player character

>>58001628
>He's alright but has pretty obvious flaws, including mapmaking. All the straight lines in his games make SwSh & SV look like Fallout.
Yeah, I definitely respect his abilities when it comes to writing, but he does suffer from a lot of flaws that newer devs have. It just seems crazy to me how many high-profile people consider his games to be the best of the best, when I just see them as neat indie projects with some cool ideas.

>>58000794
I mean he probably put in it less as "This would be funny as fuck" and more "This riff is sick, I should reuse it again.".

>>57999366 (OP)

>>58003556
For lack of a better image of Moot's endless hilarity... A man in a dress does not phase me.

>>58003591
moot was joking, not trying to groom kids into a cult of freaks

>>58001428

I said that because Undertale is already a pastiche of JRPG concepts and meta stuff popular in VNs. Saying SV was made this way *because* of it feels paradoxical. SV wanted to change series standbys on its own merits, not because of a popular indie game (it just ran like shit).

>>58002334
If the fact that you can’t date npc’s ingame bothers you that much I think it’s time to just pick up a dating sim

>>57999366 (OP)
yes he was already in charge of music for base SV and it was fucking shit

>>58003604
And this isn't a joke somehow?
I know Deltarune and Undertale have a childish aesthetic when it comes to art styles, but Toby Fox clearly didn't intend for them to be played by children.

>>58002116
>[unfunny new memes]
That's the thing, they're not new at this point. That particular version of Wojack is almost 10 years old. He's been soijack for longer than he's been feels guy, which fucking breaks my heart. It's really bizarre how hard things began stagnating in 2017 or so.

>>58003665
One off from 666, yeesh.
I saw a video recently that showed a bunch of political shit from 2014 onward and holy shit, everything's been frozen since 2018 and it was clear stagnation was happening in politics during 2014.
Since politics is downstream from culture, to a certain extent, it was quite telling to see the same exact rhetoric of the mid 2010s still relevant a decade later.

>>57999366 (OP)
> can an English speaker ruin a Japanese property?
Yes even ones that understands it can.

>>58003678

I can't speak for the eurozone but the states has been a zombie since 2008. I don't think anybody expected further declines for another few decades but it's wild to see how fast it's happening.

Literally fucking who?
Kill yourself for making such a shit thread.

>>57999366 (OP)
Whenever I see this photo I think it's Eric Harris.

>>58002063
As much as I am grateful for 4chan not being flooded by too many people (as it would remove the identity of the site), I cannot help but wish there was a bit more activity here. You could leave /vp/ for 3 days and most threads would stay the same. Less users leads to less interesting discussion, conflicting opinions and encourages similar topics… which makes people leave in the end. I’m kinda envious of /v/‘s activity.
>>58004112
NTA but I feel like the media has been canibalizing itself much more these past 10 years. Everything must be a reference of something previously made, it can be nostalgia pandering like the 00s aesthetic (it’s even stranger when some users pushing it never experienced it in the first place as they were born later), movie remakes ad nauseam and parodies of genres without creating something new. I think that if you make something that people are familiar with, they will be more inclined to consume it. Still it’s a shame that most stuff doesn’t feel fresh anymore.

poster counts are sorely missed

>>58002783
You can't really call it a OTP when it's part of the original work. An author writing a story and a fan's interpretation of that story don't carry the same weight. Using a fanfic term for the original source is weird.

>>58002334
>game literally has the tagline 'The RPG where nobody has to die' in it's marketing
>whaaaaaa why does the game judge me for killing people
There is no opinion about undertale I respect less than people who bitch about this. Complain about the faggotry? Whatever. Make it your entire personality? Okay. But god damn does it boggle my mind how some people get their feelings hurt so fucking badly by a game telling them 'killing people is bad'.

>>58004112
The Eurozone's been in the same stasis as us.
I wouldn't say we zombified in 2008, but if we must use a zombie analogy, the bite happened in 2008 and we frantically tried to hide it until we turned in the 2010s.

>>58004181
>it would remove the identity of the site
I think we lost that identity a long time ago. The identity of this site hinged on the brand new OC that was everywhere. Sure, a lot of it was SHIT MS-paint doodles, but they were a part of the charm. It was people having fun.
When's the last time you've seen OC outside of a draw thread?
I would make OC but I'm too incompetent and am not even sure what the hell I'd draw. I'm not remotely inspired, unlike those who came before me.

>>58004550
>thread is openly about something you dislike
>join thread
>oh no I'm upset how could this happen
It's the literal same process. Some people just can't help but crave the feeling of being upset.

>>57999366 (OP)
I don't think he'd ruin it even more than GF desu

>>57999366 (OP)

>>58004550
this would be an argument if the game wasn't basically jerry rigged to troll you into killing the first few people you meet
I lost track of how many streamers have I watched specifically trying to avoid killing Toriel and not being able to! And almost everybody pops the dummy the first time because the framing makes toriel's advice sound unserious.

>>58005994
I remember one youtuber I watched killed Toriel because he couldn't figure out how not to and said "well I'm just going to proceed because that's what happened". The comments got so toxic that he just dropped the game

>>58006010
See now, that's not okay. I get it was the peak of the craze and everyone wasn't thinking straight, but what the fuck?
Thankfully, I haven't really seen repeats of this with Deltarune, outside of not fighting the optional bosses, but that's kind of rare.