Apparently theres a mistranslation in S/V's Crystal Pool DLC. Mentions of an alternate timeline supposedly didn't exist in the jap version. But the morons making this claim gave no source or text. So if it's true, give a source. This is the english line for those that don't know about this:

>I am researching methods to catch Pokémon that live in different timelines, so I might transport them to the present day in my own timeline. It sounds fantastical, no doubt, but I am drafting plans for a machine that may achieve it.

Again, if this is mistranslated, give the jap text. I'm open to being corrected.

Imaginationcucks lost. Small wnder they similarly tried to legitimise their arguments when the DLC launched.

>>58000286
Explain. How did they try to legitimise their arguments?

>>58000286
While it's obviously not imagination, it's different timelines, I have to say that "machine that finds a timeline in which X exists, when X doesn't exist in our timeline" is much closer to what imaginationfags were saying.
If a timeline exists for any single permutation of every single thing, being able to pull whatever you want is virtually identical to "pulling shit out of your imagination".
Meanwhile, timetravelfags argue that those things definitely existed in our timeline, which isn't the case.

>>58000274 (OP)
The issue is that the nip word used can refer to both different points in time AND alternate timelines, and the translators just had to pick one of the two meanings.

>Time travelfags are STILL beating the dead horse despite being proven wrong multiple times already
No wonder you're the butt of the joke lol

>>58001403
This
Classic case of a word being ambiguous in a way the language you're translating to isn't.

>>58001403
Yes you're right, in Japanese this line of text is ambiguous and can have two different meanings when translated.

However, the rest of the game is completely unambiguous. We're talking about Pokémon from a distant past/future (and not an alternative past/future, the fact that it's distant is a deliberate choice to express that it does come from our past/future) that have been brought back to our present (and not to our world/chronology, so they are not strangers). We're talking about a time machine, not an alternate timeline/multiverse machine.
It's even specified that those from the past are beings we've lost, and that those from the future haven't yet been encountered. The themes of the prehistoric past with the dinosaurs and the robots of the future are very transparent. The legends are based on the distant past/future, in their themes, powers, design and etymology, just like the professors.

We never say that Paradoxmon doesn't exist in our timeline or in other timelines. It's not like Mega-Evolution with its timelines with and without, nor like Ultra Beast, which explicitly comes from other worlds/dimensions that we can't encounter in our own.

And all the other media go in the same direction:
The TCG: say it comes from a distant past/future.
The anime: they confirm that Terapagos moves people in time and that the Pokemon Paradox are called that because they're Pokémon from the past and future that shouldn't be in the present (a time paradox, in short).

>>58000274 (OP)
>>58001403
>>58001433
We've known this for a while. Imaginationschizos just don't accept this fact because they hold onto their fanfic theory and don't want to admit that they were wrong.
It's pretty clear that alternate timelines are definitely a thing at the very least. The book exchange at the lake proves this either way.

>it's time travel
>it's imagination
>it's alternate timelines
it's shit

Imagination was just a pretext to refute what the games said because they don't like Paradoxmon or are bothered by the fact that in the distant future, everything becomes robots (except that it's Pokémon that follows clichés, as always).

Alternate timelines are the last pretext to escape reality.

>>58001457
It's kino. Sorry you're too dumb to understand.

>>58001476
I couldn't be bothered to look it up in the anime. But it's crazy, you can do the same with Ultra Beast and see that the themes are very different.

Timebros and imaginationbros, please don't fight again...

>>58001575
We're just trying to make imaginationschizos take their meds to free them from their delusions

Even the Japanese Wiki doesn't mention an alternative chronology. It's so obvious that they come from the future and the past, especially when the emphasis is on ‘distant’ and relate them to our present.

>We're still doing this
People, we had our answer from the very beginning. Paradoxmons are literally Convergent Ultra Beasts. The Paradox wasn't time but SPACE.

>>58000274 (OP)
alternate timelines in Pokemon exsisted since gen 1 and gen 2 confirmed it.

>>58001760
Nobody has said that alternative chronologies don't exist. It's just a fact that they have existed since the first games.

Here, we're talking about the origins of Paradox Pokemon. They may exist in other timelines, but they're not beings that come specifically from other timelines. Above all, they come from a distant past/future.
It's like being surprised that there's a Groudon in every timeline.

>>58000274 (OP)
Whats up with time travel cucks acting all bitchy as if they have always been right wasn't their whole argument that paradox pokemon came from the past and future of the current timeline? are they changing the narrative and claiming that they also meant timelines too now?
timetravelcucks are pathetic

>>58001457
the only correct answer

>>58001457
It's creative, fun and interesting. Exactly the kind of storytelling Pokemon should have.

>>58001806
>They may exist in other timelines, but they're not beings that come specifically from other timelines.
We have confirmation that none of the Scarlet Paradoxes have fossil record, that was the canary in the coal mine.

>>58001894
et one description confirms the existence of a Gouging Fire fossil.

>It resembles an eerie Pokémon once shown in a paranormal magazine. That Pokémon was said to be an Entei regenerated from a fossil.

Apart from this point, you should know that fossilisation is a rare phenomenon. Many species that have lived on Earth have left no trace, and it's the same here.
Then there's a desire for Scarlet's exclusives to be the same as Violet's. If you put in fossils, how are we going to deal with those from the future?

It's like saying that Eternatus exists in a timeline without Rayquaza, just because he didn't intervene when the meteorite fell, even though that's his job. But all we know is that this omission is a pretext for the story.

>>58001903
>info from Occulture
Occulture is completely made up.

>>58001908
In that case, where is the line of text that explains that there are no fossils? Because only Occulture does that for Slither-Wings.

I repeat, only a minority of species among all those that exist leave traces. So not having any fossils is absolutely no proof that it never existed.
Relicanth has been around for millions of years, but there are no fossils of it.

>Implying "Wish Powerr cannot create Time Travel from "Imagination"

>>58001452
Do you have a link to that page in the image you gave?

>>58001452
Can I get a link to that page in the image? It looks very interesting.

>>58001934
>Relicanth has been around for millions of years, but there are no fossils of it.
That's a bullshit argument. Yes the games as far as I know have never literally said there are relicanth fossils just like they've never said that humans need to shit and piss but you can pretty easily infer it. Relicanth's dex entries about how it was believed to be extinct and how it apparently hasn't changed for millions of years only make sense if you assume that fossils of it exist and have been found.

>>58002005
The Relicanth example is deliberately bogus, as are your claims about the Paradoxmon. If you'd been following along, you'd have realised that the absence of fossils means absolutely nothing; as I said, it's a rare phenomenon that affects less than 10% of the species that have ever existed.
If you want to claim that there are no Paradoxmon fossils simply because there are no objects, you can apply that logic to all the ancient Pokémon that don't have any.

>>58000274 (OP)

>>58002020
>as are your claims about the Paradoxmon
I'm not the anon you're arguing with and I couldn't care less about imagination vs time travel or whatever the fuck, I just wanted to point out that your Relicanth example is stupid.

>>58000274 (OP)
>timetravelkek still trying
You lost. Paradox pokemon come from other timelines, which ties into dreams as per introduced in Unova and Hoenn.

>>58002854
>Paradox pokemon come from other timelines,
True.
>which [HEADCANON]
Lol, fuck off schizo.

>>58002863
Sorry you are underage but if some day you decide to play older games you may notice that in Pokemon, dreams are just other timelines.
Even the true ending of the Indigo Disk where you get the childhood book of the professor of another world ends with you waking up in your bed, but with the book. Terapagos is the pokemon that makes dreams come true by taking stuff from other worlds, just like the professors' dreams of paradox pokemon from a primitive/futuristic world came true with the machine.

>>58002885
>more schizo headcanon babble
I repeat, fuck off.
Also I'm likely older than you.

>>58002885
i really like this headcanon a lot actually, considering this they should actually do more with (legendary/mythical) pokemon that could interact or transport with&to dream dimensions :o

>>58002893
>stop presenting evidence! I can't bear it! Dreams have nothing to do with parallel worlds in pokemon!
Okay, kiddo.

>>58002903
>>58002885
The entire difference between scarlet paradox timeline and violet paradox timeline is also just a more exaggerated version of the difference between Black and White, IN FACT the first instance of a time machine being used to connect worlds that are actually in the same era but with the time axys shifted came from BW where the adventures take place at same time but one has a traditional Opelucid city with the time machine of a father while the other has a modernized city with the time machine of the son of the previous man, and both want to use the time machine but need energy from a pokemon from the other world (the past-shifted world from White in Black or the future-shifted world from Black in White)

SV really is BW's undercooked past/future-themed dreamed parallel worlds up to eleven

>>58002903
This isn't evidence at all. You're posting content from completely different games.

Terapagos has time displacement powers. Nothing about it has anything to do with dreams. Now take your meds.

>>58002917
the teraleak also revealed the PMD lore of Kyurem seeing the future is canon and the rem in Kyurem comes from the REM phase of sleep so Kyurem is intended to be a pokemon that sees the future through dreams
The dex also says he sees a future of ideals or a future of truth depending on the form so he can see multiples futures, multiples timelines all via dreams

>>58002885
This is honestly the reason I felt so weird about the Indigo Disk DLC. It felt like the perfect opportunity to touch on the Dream World of Unova, but they just didn't. In general, the Indigo Disk did an awful job at explaining how Terastal Energy works.
It's very clear, due to its connections with the Stellar-type and how it works, that the Terastal Energy is very closely related to the "chaos" that existed before Arceus was born. That's why Terastal Energy can peer into different possibilities (read: timelines/other worlds/dreams) and bring them to our timeline. Basically, Terastal Energy = chaos mutating things to different degrees depending on the level of exposure.

>>58002919
News flash: Pokémon is a franchise that expands on the ideas presented on previous games, so if a game sets a precedent that dreams = parallel worlds, then that becomes a consistent aspect of the Pokémon world.
You can't just dismiss evidence from previous games because it doesn't suit your personal theory, that just makes your theory pointless in the grand scheme of the franchise because it would contradict existing material.

>>58000396
>is much closer to what imaginationfags were saying.
No it isn't. If imaginationfags in general are losers, any trying to sell that is a sore loser on top of that

>>58002919
>-Dreams and parallel worlds are connected.
>+fuck off
>-No, dude, dreams and parallel worlds are CANONICALLY connected, see?
>+I repeat fuck off
>-lmao okay
>+NO wait please go back give me (You)s!
why are timetravelkeks like this?

>>58002969
>ad hominem
dismissed

>>58002931
Not just the leak, Kyurem's gen 8 entry from Home says he has foreseen the world of truth, Kyurem seeing futures via dreams is 100% canon.
Even the anime has a huge gen 5 parallel with two heroes' black Rayquaza and white Zygarde as stand in for Zekrom and Reshiram, and between them there's Terapagos as stand in for Kyurem. Kyurem is the pokemon that foresees other worlds through dreams, Terapagos is the pokemon that makes dreams come true through other worlds. "All dreams are but another reality."

I can excuse gen 1-3 and gen 2-3 lore having pretty much no connection because the legendaries had nothing to do with the story in Kanto and Johto but Hoenn remake actually had some ties with Kalos with the nature energy that feeds Groudon and Kyogre being the same energy that creates megastones and the Kalos war shit and gen 9 has some nice connections with gen 5 even when BW didn't even got remade for gen 9 so it really highlights how shit gen 8 was, I can't think of a single connection Galar had with gen 4, not even the new regis since the regis were originally introduced in Hoenn even if their leader was later added in Sinnoh
Worst offender is pic related. Looks pretty much like the sky when a pokemon dynamaxes it's basically asking for an easy Eternatus connection but nah it's just a dark sky lmao, gen 4 and 8 really have zero in common

>>58002963
>>58002973
Show proof that Terapagos has dream powers, or you're a troll.

>>58003012
Gen 8 has Eternatus/Eternamax, who is most likely meant to be one of the defeated giants that fought against Arceus after it was born. Especially considering its Pokémon classification is キョダイポケモン (Giant Pokémon, in full Katakana, implying that キョダイ is a proper name).
But yeah, other than that, Sword and Shield don't have huge connections to most other games, there's only a few other references here and there.

>>58000274 (OP)
As a native jap, there's no error but there is text that can be misinterpreted

>>58003012
its better that gen 8 has zero connections to other gens because the story in that game was retarded as fuck anyway

The threads have really gone haywire.
There is indeed a world attached to that of dreams.
But to consider that any chronology or dimension is automatically attached to dreams is a completely stupid and incoherent shortcut.

>>58003047
You literally wake up from meeting the alt timeline professor in your academy room's bed, shitposter. Heath also meet his alt timelineself in a dream. And alt timelines being accessed by dreams is older than (You)
Cope

>>58003051
You guys really have to stop calling every huge monster one of the fallen giants
Eternatus is literally just an alien powerhouse

>>58002854
Lost what? I believe it's the alternate timeline theory.

>>58001903
Gouging fire and it's trio are paradoxical to the mainline universe's origins for the legendary beasts. The existence of the 'prehistoric' beasts is intended for the purpose of providing outright confirmation that all of the paradoxes are, surprise surprise, paradoxical to the known facts of the primary timeline.
Another example would be roaring moon referencing mega evolution, meaning roaring moon is paradoxical to the non-mega timelines and could not have existed in those variations.
Similarly, Iron Hands is a unique human cyborg and is a single individual in it's lore, but can paradoxically be found in great numbers in-game and can be caught in a regular pokeball despite being a 'human', meaning the version we encounter cannot be the genuine article.

>Game directly says "Look here's a Time Machine!”, the word "Time Machine" is spelled out in letters on screen.
>Future Robots and Prehistoric Dinosaurs come out of it.
>This is a children's game meant to be understandable to 5-year olds.
>There are still people so dumb, so catastrophically retarded, so unbelievably mentally ill, they proclaim it's not a time-machine but an "Imagination Machine", a concept that is never brought up in the entire game.
>The DLC has you use the Pokemon who powered the Time Machine to do a time paradox.
I suppose this is what happened to all the Zodiac Schizo's, who likewise were disproven in the literal second game in the series yet kept on about it for years.

>>58003366
>game says "the time machine picks stuff from other timelines" and has writting about dreams being connected to other worlds even a 10yo would get
>you are mentally even younger and can't grasp something this simple
Sad

>>58003351
No, we're talking about a Paradox because entities from a distant past/future shouldn't be in the present.
The majority of legendary Pokemon are not unique. They are extremely rare Pokemon, as Snackworth explains.
The Pokédex explains as early as the silver version that Entei are born at the same time as a volcano appears. The myths of Johto just talk about the resurrection of dead Pokemon, not the creation of new entities.

Mega Evolution is linked to vital energy and genetics. When Aerodactyl goes Mega, it restores its genes. So, if Roaring-Moon is the ancestor of Salamence, it doesn't matter whether we're in a timeline with or without Mega, Roaring-Moon will always make sense because it exists independently of Mega Evolution. In other words, the Mega Evolution awakens dormant genes that bring him closer to his ancestors.

You've just used Occulture, which is a dubious magazine for Iron-Hands... That's just wrong.

>>58003174
This doesn't proof Terapagos has to do anything with dreams but ok. Keep believing your deranged schizo delusions with literally 0 canon proof.

>>58003366
When you retards hit the "I'm dumb and unable to understand this, they can't be smarter than me and write such a thing" button is when we know you are done

>>58004099
>you can dream in any timeline
>omg all timelines are actually just dreams

MEDS

>>58004129
>Terapagos makes you encounter someone from another timeline
>the event ends
>it was all a dream
>but clearly not a normal dream you simply had, since you actually got an item from another timeline

>this doesn't "proof" Terapagos has to do anything with dreams
ESLfag, please. This is sad.

This chad filtered millions

> Here's a time machine, the AI confirms that it works and explains its limitations.
>The AI explains that the Paradoxmon come from a distant past/future and have been sent to the present day thanks to the time machine.
>The AI insists that they are Pokemon from another age, putting ‘ancient/future Pokemon’ in colour in its line of dialogue so that even the dumbest person can't miss the most important information.
>The AI states that ancient/future Pokemon have either been long lost to us or have yet to be seen.
>The AI confirms that they have genetics and behaviour similar to contemporary species because they have studied them.
>The AI states that Koraidon/Miraidon are ancient/future forms of Cyclizar.
>The design, etymology and powers of Koraidon and Miraidon make unmistakable references to the past and the future.
>The design and etymology of the professors refer to the past and the future.
>TCG adds another layer with "Ancient" and "Future" Pokemon and extension names such as "Temporal Forces"
>TCG writes on the back of its products that Paradoxmon comes from the past or future.
>The anime explains that Paradoxmon are ancient and future forms of Pokemon that have no place in the present day, which is why they are called Paradox Pokemon.
>The anime reconfirms that the interaction with Crystal Pool is a journey through time, knowing that the notes in the depths of the DLC already went in this direction.

At the same time, you've got a single line of text in the game saying that it comes from another timeline (easily disputed by mistranslation by another team who managed the DLC separately without context, or because this version of the professor hasn't yet completed his research and therefore hasn't yet met Paradoxmon, nor tested and finalised his time machine).
But yes, it has to be alternative chronology, because I prefer that. so let's ignore the fact that the game has repeated itself 4-5 times in a different way, and the other media reconfirming this.

If it really was an alternate timeline, they would have just said ‘alternate past/future’ and that they were brought back to our world (not the present in terms of temporality).
Just touch SM/USUM to see that the themes and lexicon are very different from SV.
Even for Ultra-Wormholes, which takes you back to another timeline with a 12-hour time-lag, or for Rainbow Rocket and Anabel, who come from other timelines. The terms ‘other world’ or ‘other dimension’ are used again and again, and it's repeated over and over again.

>>58004183
Nobody said alt timelines are actually just dreams and there's only one true timeline, with everything else being the delusion born from someone's brain. But thanks for proving you can't read, that explains why you are a timekek

>>58004211
That is literally what was fucking said earlier.
>>58002885
Don't try to backpedal, don't try to gaslight.

>SV whose themes and events are based on time travel.
>Florian naturally expects to be taken back to the future.
>Oh no, it was a Hoopa ring, so it doesn't work the same way.
>Hoopa's ring makes him travel through the multiverse.

>>58004195
>The AI explains that the Paradoxmon come from a distant past/future
Just lost me at the second line. We know that was mistranslated. Paradox pokemon come from other timelines, not the past or the future of the game's timeline. Cope.
>inb4 no, the different timeline thing IS the mistranslation!
Can't possibly be the case because the professor from crystal pod event has a background different from our own professor. Different timelines are confirmed the correct translation and you are confirmed as sad retard

>>58004215
That's literally not what it says there, you really can't read holy shit
>what you dream of is actually another world =/= every other world doesn't exist because it's just a dream
Hell if we go word by word the post says "dreams are just other timelines", not "other timelines are just dreams" so it's THE OPPOSITE to what you said.
You such a retard, man, making fun of you isn't even entertaining

>>58004222
Your level of denial is exceptional.
You've just claimed that the translation error applies to a very large number of lines (almost 80% of the AI dialogue), but also to all other media such as anime, TCG and Masters EX,
But not to a single line of text in a DLC that has no context and has been translated by other people.

>>58004226
Then the argument can be made that SV deals in timelines that aren't dreams.

>>58004232
No, I didn't, you just can't read, like the dumb retard you are. The translation error is from the base game, while the version that we know is the corrected one is from the DLC. Pretty simple.
>but TCG...
Don't even try. Unless you want to claim pic related takes place in the distant prehistory of SV given it has the "ancient" label too lmao

>>58004233
>well maybe nobody dreamed the specific alternative timelines from SV!
... except the professor. You know, the person who defines the time machine as their way to make their childhood dreams of paradox pokemon living in Paldea true. Also Heath who encountered himself from another timeline in a dream. Also the MC who encounters the professor in a dream.
But yes, if you ignore how the alt timeline fuckery from SV is all a realization of someone's dream then I guess you could make the argument. You would be wrong, but you could try.

I don’t know what is sadder, imaginationfags now trying to convince people alternate timelines are imagination so they were right the whole time.
Or timetravelfags buying into this stupid revisionism and trying to argue “there’s no alternate timeline”, not realizing they are being tricked into an extreme goal move to give away their W.
Of course there are alternate timelines, and that has nothing to do with what imaginationfags defended, it doesn’t matter how much they try to pretend now in a desperate refusal to admit they were wrong

>>58004307
Yes yes you got tired of being btfo and are non-replying instead of engaging into an argument where you would be utterly crushed again, we know
Tell the thread how previously established lore doesn't matter in new entries, again

>>58004307
The issue is kids don't understand the primary timeline ("muh mega universe", ignoring RG and RS take place at the same time and XY some 6-10 years after the events of RG/RS, meaning the "non-mega" universe is just the normal universe where Mega Evolution was discovered in Kalos and ORAS is an alternative timeline to the canon TL) enough to comprehend the alternative timelines are just that - timelines where events play out contrary to the canonical timeline and events of the canon games.

>>58004360
Amazing, you replied to your own post to validate yourself and only managed to look even more retarded.

>>58004240
The translation error came from the DLC, which was done by another team a little later, in parallel with other projects.

Your card isn't a counter-argument, it just shows that you're not very clever.

>>58004186
>more delusional fanfic headcanon
Terapagos design is based on the world turtle, not a dream catcher. Please take your meds or stop trolling

>>58004240
>Nooooo all these translation errors !!! There are too many !!!

I can't wait for the manga to add another layer, so that the list gets longer again.

Admire the timeless turtle that can grow old and young as many times as it likes.

>>58004436
NTA but that doesn't disprove the existence of multiple timelines either. Past and future of other timelines are still the past and future relative to the present day.
If they wanted us to believe without a single doubt that paradox mons are from the same timeline, they wouldn't have added things that make us doubt that. Such as the professor from the lake telling us they are researching OTHER timelines specifically. Plus the whole thing with the book exchange, which can be seen as proof that multiple timelines exist at the very least. But even that is a point of debate since the game doesn't quite spell it out for you.

Mind you, there is no definitive proof for either, but that's that's why they are called Paradox Pokémon.

>>58004466
As we've already explained, this is a translation error.
And even if it wasn't, we're talking about a professor who never achieved his dreams. In other words, he's never met or studied a Paradoxmon, he's never completed or tested his time machine, he doesn't understand the Terastal and Terapagos phenomenon in its entirety.

So, like all scientific research, there is a ‘before’, based on hypotheses and ideas, and an ‘after’, when the answers are obtained. The AI has the memories, personality and knowledge of the real professor, but has achieved its objective. It is therefore better informed and completely up to date, compared with the person we met at the lake who has not yet realised his dream.

If these were other timelines, we'd just have said:
"it's from an alternative past/future and we've brought it back to our world".

When we were studying alternative timelines, with SM/USUM's Ultra-Brèche giving access to a timeline with a 12-hour shift, or Anabel or Rainbow Rocket's journey. We're always talking about other dimensions, other worlds.
Even the treatment of the Ultra-Beasts is different. It's made clear that they don't come from our world, like strange who never belonged. Nothing fundamentally excludes Paradoxmon from the main timeline, it's not even like Mega-Evolution which explicitly has timelines without and with Mega.
Come on, we meet Archie from another timeline, I guess he doesn't exist in any other timeline and therefore his exclusive from another timeline ???

The encounter at the lake is just a loop, as the notes from the depths attest (and even the anime confirms that it's time travel).
And in the worst case, the book exchange is just a way of breaking the loop. GF won't destroy our backup to undo the events, so it creates a new timeline from our past.
Creating a new timeline from the moment the exchange takes place (because it can be a result of time travel).

>>58004371
Amazing, you're a seething, retarded bitch because you lost but spent a full fucking year insisting you were right, only to seethe for a further two years when you finally got locked in your box.
Don;t bother replying to me until you stop getting filtered so fucking badly by games aimed at 7 year olds.

>>58004466
Paradox Pokemon is a reference to time paradoxes.
If one day, a dinosaur is brought from the past into the present. It's a temporal paradox because it's been around for millions of years without ageing, so a distant ancestor shouldn't be here with its descendants, without even having been able to finish its life in its own time to write history and ensure that its lineage, which led to the present, lives on.
In the same way that if you bring a robot from the future into the present, that technology shouldn't be there because its creator doesn't yet exist.

The anime explained this very well: ancient and future forms that have no place in the present day, which is why they are called Paradox Pokemon. The very fact that these entities can be found in modern times is a huge contradiction.

>>58004490
>>58004502
Did you not read my most or something? Again, past and future of other timelines are still past or future. So in that it's actually irrelevant if they are from other timelines or the same. It makes pretty much no difference outside of semantics. They are indeed Past and Future Pokémon relative to the present.

>The encounter at the lake is just a loop, as the notes from the depths attest (and even the anime confirms that it's time travel).
>And in the worst case, the book exchange is just a way of breaking the loop. GF won't destroy our backup to undo the events, so it creates a new timeline from our past.
Yeah, that's what I meant. It can be seen as proof that other timelines exist - perhaps even as a direct result from Terapagos' doing. But the game is of course pretty vague about it, on purpose I imagine. The whole thing is supposed to be mysterious. That's how Pokémon has always done legends. If anything, SV explains more than any other gen.

>>58004552
>my most
I meant "my post", lol.

>>58004552
I don't really dispute the existence of alternative chronologies. I know they've existed since the first generations.
What I'm saying is that ‘alternate timeline’ isn't the justification for Paradoxmon (as some people like to dishonestly pretend that they're exclusive to that).

Which is to say that, first and foremost, they are Pokémon from the distant past/future (they are exclusive to their own eras). They have existed or will exist.
And like everything else that exists, whether it's a character like Giovanni, or a legendary Pokémon like Mewtwo, they exist in multiple timelines just like anything else.

>>58004360
>the autist who doesn't understand the timeline is a timetravelfag
You can't make this shit up lmao

>>58004436
>this retard thinks prehistoric/futuristic-themes alternative timelines using words like "ancient" or "future" means they are no longer alternative timelines as explicitly stated
Man you just love being dumb huh

>>58004585
No, but you like to be.
Paradoxmon is not exclusive to alternative timelines. It's exclusive to the past and distant future of all worlds, including the main universe.
It can exist in alternate timelines, like Rainbow Rocket. But it's not ‘alternate timeline’ that defines what they are or who they are.

Then you take something, take it out of context and pretend I don't understand. I still have inclusive screenshots that specify that ancient Pokemon once existed and were lost.

>>58004380
>The translation error came from the DLC
Didn't read the rest. Can't be an error because it explicitly shows alt timeline slip. You will never ever be right.

>>58004591
>paradox pokemon isn't alternative timelines, it's the past and future of all worlds!
That would be nice if the professor didn't prove you wrong huh

>>58004383
>his argument is that pokemon are only based on one thing
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

You just know the guy who keeps pretending the Indigo Disk had a translation error is the same guy who lied about the imagination themes being made up by the chinese translation for some false ban to time travel stories
Not a single argument except
>NO I SWEAR YOU READ MISINFO BELIEVE ME

>>58004607
>Pokémon can be based on multiple things so all my fanfic headcanons are totally real!!

>>58004614
>okay pokemon can be based on multiple things but...
So you admit Terapagos being based on the world turtle has zero relevance to the discussion and your post was completely worthless? Good boy.

>>58004622
Your fanfics will never be real retard, no matter how much you cope and seethe

>>58004490
>Ultra-Brèche
The timetravelcuck is a frog.
I repeat: The timetravelcuck is a frog.
It's not just that he's dumb, his posts are completely illogical because he can barely grasp the english language.

>>58004602
Absolutely not, it's not exclusive to alternative chronologies and it never has been.

>>58004627
>resorting to ad hominem
Kek so you DID notice your previous post had no value or significance to the discussion.

>>58004632
>posts the pre-correction version
Try again.
>no, the DLC one is the wrong one!
Can't possibly be because the DLC shows terastal energy making us encounter someone from another timeline. Alt timelines are indisputable and you lost long ago.

>>58004629
You're just too stupid to distinguish between SV and SM, which have different lexicons and themes, too bad for you. If you can't counter-argue, it's best to shut up, it doesn't add anything to the discussion.

>>58004641
What's the post-correction version?

>>58004646
Nothing in my post even addressed SV, SM or any term except one I only picked to point out you are a frog, which is true given Ultra-Brèche is french. I guess your english sucks so much you didn't even know what the fuck I said kek

>>58004641
They can completely update the games and change what's wrong with them. But they're going to use DLC to make a “correction”! You've got to stop making up stories to reassure yourself.

Even assuming there are no translation errors, you've still lost.
Since when is a professor who hasn't yet completed or tested his time machine, who has never physically met a Paradox Pokemon and who doesn't understand everything about the Terastal and Terapagos phenomena, a more reliable source than someone who has fulfilled his dreams?

If, in science, we considered unverified hypotheses as scientific facts, we wouldn't get very far. No, really, I'd rather believe the person who has finished his research and knows, than the person who is stuck in his research and is still a long way from having succeeded and experienced everything.
Your logic is counter-intuitive, because you're giving more credit to an earlier version of a character who hasn't finished accomplishing what he was supposed to.

>>58004658
What I didn't realise in my own message was that I'd forgotten to translate that word.
Instead of hiding behind mockery of a nationality, you should counter-argue or refrain from writing stupid things.

>>58004661
>no actually there are no translation errors!
So according to you paradox pokemon are from other timelines since the real professor said so. Good to know.
>no, there are only translation errors if it helps my narrative!
Too bad, the game confirms tera energy taking stuff from alternative timelines. You could play the game in japanese and that's still what you would get, since they not only say, but shown stuff from other timelines.
>no no there are no errors it's just that the professor was wrong!
Yes yes, the characters are wrong and you are right, the voices in your head are your friends and the pills your mom always gives you are evil agents Satan sent to steal your kidneys.

>>58004664
>okay yeah I tried to correct you over stuff you never said because my english is no bueno but please don't be mean to me :(
I'm mean to you because you are a retard who can't deal with the finale of SV overarching plot saying and explicitly showing Terapagos power takes stuff from other timelines not just the past or the future, exposing you as a frog is just an extra

>>58004667
Why are you twisting my words? Maybe because you know you're wrong?

I confirm that there's a translation error, but what I'm explaining is that even if I take your point of view that there's no error, it doesn't change the fact that it makes no sense scripturally to give more credit to the professor than to the AI on the subject of Paradoxmon.

The professor we meet at Crystal Pool is surprised to see our lizard. It's the first time he's seen a Paradoxmon, so he hasn't named Miraidon/Koraidon (as he calls them by their Paradox names found in the Scarlet/Violet Book), so he hasn't been able to do any genetic or behavioural analysis on Paradoxmon (something the AI has done because it mentions it in the main story).
We also know that the time machine is unfinished and untested for this version of the professor in the Crystal Pool (where the AI clearly explain us the limits of the machine and has filled Aera Zero with Paradoxmon).
He needs the White Book to advance his research, because he's stuck. White Book, which contains precious data on Terapagos and the Terastal phenomenon.

That's called logic, unless you consider that the characters don't evolve over time? The very principle of scientific research is to experiment, observe, analyse and see whether or not hypotheses are invalidated. It's about developing knowledge; between before and after a study, you develop new knowledge that you've been able to verify.

What I don't get about the mistranslation faggot is that we already know he's wrong because the scenes literally don't work under his premise.
Every time we read "timeline" it could mean our timeline or another, parallel one, okay, that means the finale of the base game has two possible ways to understand it, one where paradox mons are just from another era and one where paradox mons are from completly different timelines. In THIS specific case you can argue the correct translation is just other time of our own timeline... but the Indigo Disk scene doesn't have such an ambiguity because the professor we meet is confirmed not to be our world's professor and they even mention how their world and ours don't have to be connected at all. There's no debate, "different timelines" is the only possible translation for this scene to make any sense, so it's 100% confirmed Terapagos power reaches for other timelines.

So why the fuck this retard keeps pretending paradox mons are just Paldea millennia ago/in the future?

>>58004698
>even if I take your point of view that there's no error
I never said there were no errors. In fact I mocked you for even mentioning a lack of translation errors first. You have no idea what I'm even saying, no wonder you can't even come up with an actual counterargument
>no I SWEAR the characters are wrong and I'm right!
Silence you petite merde

>>58004680
When a professor is teleported, he was in his laboratory. He wasn't warned, it happened against his will. He makes assumptions in front of the player, because he himself is not sure what is happening. He is taken by surprise.
The book exchange is simply the creation of another timeline, because the time loop is broken (only if the book exchange never took place in the past).

>>58004704
Timeloops aren't broken, retardo, that's why they are LOOPS. And nothing you said changes the fact the professor from that scene isn't the professor of our game, their backstories literally don't match
It's an alternative timeline. Always has been. Always will be.

>>58004700
> "It's possible"
Hell, you don't even know what a hypothesis is. I guess I speak your language better than you do.

I must also explain again that the professor was quietly in his laboratory and was teleported without being asked his opinion, or being able to prepare himself, to the point where he had nothing on him but his book?

It's imagination.

THE MACHINE WILL GET TURNED BACK ON TRUST ME I WATCHED TIME TRAVEL SHOWS!!!

>>58004709
I'll start with a hypothesis, the one where you're right.

This means that the AI in the main timeline is convinced that Pokémon from the distant future/past have been brought back to the present. And therefore that they have existed or will exist according to the AI's dialogue.

But this professor from another timeline doesn't have a Paradoxmon in his, so he's going to look for them elsewhere.

>>58004711
The fact it's a possiblity confirms Terapagos has the power to affect othertimelines and that's not the only evidence. Play the game, retardo, play the game.

>>58004716
What's wrong with this comment? It's a hypothesis before the DLC was released.
And it's much less absurd than the fantasy story that required reinventing everything.

He was wrong, as everyone else was.
No one here guessed in advance that we'd go to a lake to summon the original professor.

>>58004719
No, frenchie, my "hypothesis" doesn't claim the AI believes paradox pokemon come from Paldea's past/future, I've told you. Multiples times, even. Learn english.

>>58004728
Okay, in that case I want you to show me the AI dialogues that say it's from another timeline.

>>58001457
/thread
Fuck Pedodea.

>>58004734
Okay so you didn't play the games, never actually encountered the professors themselves and thus never read when they talked about other timelines, said they don't even have to be from the same timeline as the MC and provided background information about their lives that confirm they aren't the professor of our world, got it.

>>58004738
Sorry about your low IQ.

>>58004741
Why are you avoiding the subject?
You're distorting everything, probably on purpose.

I asked you for the speech bubbles from the AI that declares Paradoxmon to be from an alternate timeline. What are you waiting for to send them to me?

The AI explains that the Paradoxmon come from the distant future/past of its own timeline, the player's timeline. But you dispute this, so prove it.

>>58004760
I'm not, you have the crystal pod scene available if you just search "indigo disk professor". You should´already know what happens there because you should have played the games but since you like to discuss stuff you have never experienced you can just use youtube instead, don't ask me to spoonfeed you and just look it up, I bet it's literally the first result.

Turns out the sole faggot who still thinks paradox pokemon are just from another era is a frenchfag who can't read english and has never seen the kitakami crystal pod scene lmao

>the imaginatio- i mean, multiple timelines, totally, schizo is at it again
jesus this guy never gives up. look, i find the mutiple timelines "they're basically ultra beasts" angle frankly stupid and irritating because of how much of the game's overt text and subtext about straightforward time travel that you have to throw out the window as well as how much onus you have to place on the one scene that contradicts all of that - if that scene is even translated consistently with the rest of the game, something available evidence seems to point against - HOWEVER. my distaste for the multiverse and the willingness to handwave anything else the game presents to the contrary notwithstanding, i utterly plead with you: timeline fags and time travel fags, we have got to come together to shut this dumb mother fucker up because he WILL spam any thread to death if you keep giving him attention.
he hard leans on the multiple timelines side because it somehow better supports his delusional dream imagination theory, but his entire endless diatribe really boils down to one thing: he dislikes the paradox mons and in particular that they are presented as ancestors and descendants of modern pokémon, and will twist literally anything you say so he can flatly reject any idea that they are real.
even amidst an argument i already find kind of stupid, there are nuanced conversations to be had that this particular schizo has no place in. do not respond to the guy, don't even give him the time of day. he isn't here to have a discussion, he's here to prove he's right and he won't take no for an answer, even when - and i hope to god we're all on the same page here - NO IS THE ANSWER.
i'm begging you guys, attack me for being a time travel hardliner or whatever if you must, i can tank that because i'm not an immovable psycho, just PLEASE stop taking the bait from the guy who has shown time and time again that he's a brick wall you CANNOT get through to.
he will not listen to reason.

>french meltdown
Somebody call Emma to put this mutt down

>>58004789
what brand of ESL are you that you can't even tell the word pool from the word pod? consistently, by the way, you fucking buffoon.

>>58004843
I obviously mean pond, not pool. Guess you aren't familiar with many english words huh.

>>58004840
He even used a pic of a character having a meltdown to represent himself what the heck

>>58004849

>>58004860
I know you are refering to the official name, retard. I'm not, I'm not calling it a pool, I'm calling it a fucking crystal pond because that's what it is, and yeah I fuck up consistently I honestly don't know why, my bad, but no I'm not trying to call it pool.

>>58004760
>>58004769
>no reply since
>instead he posted this >>58004837
So he watched the scene in youtube and realized he couldn't keep replying lmao

>>58004882
nope

>>58002979
Need a Kyurem-Terapagos fusion with Kyurem's ice crystals being terastal energy

>>58003012
And Eternamax forms of the Sinnoh legends

>>58004886
>what is 4chanX
>what is inspect element
>what is MS Paint

>>58004911
some shit that took you ten minutes to do when all i had to do was screenshot the post as it was and upload that screenshot within the span of roughly a minute

>>58004916
>he thinks replying 10 minutes later means I needed 10 minutes to produce the content of the post
So you think I needed 6 full minutes to post this? Dumbass

>>58004926
There you go, made the same shit (faking (You)s) before the cooldown even ended lmao

>>58004926
yeah, kind of? because i think you're stupid? obviously?

>>58004930
Sorry to prove you wrong but as you can see in the post above yours, less than a minute is enough to manipulate the (You)s you dumbskull

>>58004932
>I SPEEDRAN IT TO PROVE THAT THE ABSURD SEQUENCE OF EVENTS I'M PRESENTING IN BAD FAITH IS MORE REASONABLE THAN THE MUNDANE AND OBVIOUS EXPLANATION
this is why i tell people not to reply to you

>>58004941
>gets proven wrong
>spergs
lmao
Also no need to speedrun a thing, anyone with the accurate number of chromosomes can do that shit in a minute... but I guess you would never know

>>58004760
>no reply
I guess you checked, confirmed different timelines are mentioned and decided to run away instead of admitting defeat

>people believed in Roothoot
>it was a fake
>"All dreams are but another reality"
Only Terapagos can save it. Only Terapagos can bring it to this world from a timeline where it's real.

>>58004993
>Terapagos is gatekeeping Mega-Charizard Z, Eternamax-Charizard, Ultra-Charizard and Stellar-Charizard forms from showing up in this timeline

>>58004769
Damn it, you're unbearable and you always give irrelevant answers.
I know the scene, I've done it in French and English. I even described it better than you and your approximations.

That being said, he's still a professor who never realised his dreams and whose knowledge is obsolete compared to AI.
You claim that the Crystal Pool professor comes from a different timeline, that they have different backgrounds. Fine, very well.

But you still haven't answered my question. If the AI never mentions an alternate timeline for the Paradoxmon in its timeline, but the one from another timeline does, that means the professor at Crystal Pool doesn't have one in his timeline, but the one from the AI (i.e., the player) had one in their respective timelines (because in his dialogues, he explicitly refers to it as part of his own line of thinking). And if you don't understand, I'll go along with you to show you the paradox in your reasoning, no pun intended.

But since you're a selective who arbitrarily decides which dialogue is more valuable, without rational explanation, without being able to justify the rest, this is what you get. You stutter when asked the right questions and you avoid the topics

>>58004882
Do I have the right to live my life? Responding to a guy who is dishonest, who is always off the mark and who insults me, is not the most interesting thing I have to do.

>>58004769
Damn it, you're unbearable and you always give irrelevant answers.
I know the scene, I've done it in French and English. I even described it better than you and your approximations.

That being said, he's still a professor who never realised his dreams and whose knowledge is obsolete compared to AI.
You claim that the Crystal Pool professor comes from a different timeline, that they have different backgrounds. Fine, very well.

But you still haven't answered my question. If the AI never mentions an alternate timeline for the Paradoxmon in its timeline, but the one from another timeline does, that means the professor at Crystal Pool doesn't have one in his timeline, but the one from the AI (i.e., the player) had one in their respective timelines (because in his dialogues, he explicitly refers to it as part of his own timeline). You are confronted with your own contradictions. It's paradoxical.

But since you're a selective who arbitrarily decides which dialogue is more valuable, without rational explanation, without being able to justify the rest, this is what you get. You stutter when asked the right questions and you avoid the topics

>>58004882
Do I have the right to live my life? Responding to a guy who is dishonest, who is always off the mark and who insults me, is not the most interesting thing I have to do.

>>58005214
we saw that lmao

>>58005222
>If the AI never mentions an alternate timeline for the Paradoxmon in its timeline, but the one from another timeline does
Holy fuck you are so stupid. No, dumb frenchie, that never happened. Both professors talk about the same thing with the same wording in japanese, but the base game translated it as "different points in the timeline" while the DLC translated it as "different timelines". No conflict between AIs and human professors, both versions of both professors say the same, the question here is which translation is correct, not which version of the professors is correct.
The Indigo Disk has us interacting with someone from a different timeline, not our own, so we know the correct translation and the true nature of terastal is taking stuff from "different timelines", not from "different points in the timeline".

>>58005333
The guy who still hasn't understood that the context of dialogues changes the meaning of ambiguous sentences.

>>58005357
>they are using the same terms to refer to the same subjects but the context somehow makes it so the meaning is completely different, trust me
No, you are just very dumb. The context doesn't change the meaning, it expands upon it, that's why the translators had no way to know for sure which one was the correct translation until the Indigo Disk's extra context made clear they are talking about parallel worlds.

>>58005222
>If the AI never mentions an alternate timeline for the Paradoxmon in its timeline
That's literally what this entire thread is about you genius, it's a translation error
The Japanese community never had these discussions cause this disparity does not exist there

>>58005462
It is precisely Indigo Disk that throws this out there without context and was developed by a small team in parallel. Without context, it could not be translated properly.
It's precisely the AI translation that's good. It's no coincidence that the Japanese Wiki doesn't even mention the alternate timelines, or that the anime, TCG, or even Masters EX don't support it. Accept it.

>>58005549
Masters EX absolutely supports it, Florian said he's from an alternate timeline

>>58005552
Florian comes from a different timeline because he comes from the opposite version (Violet). I'm not talking about a timeline linked to another version, because this rule applies to all games. In this case, they have to put him forward because the school is different.

When Florian arrived, he expected to be sent to the past or future, in line with SV's time travel. However, he travelled through the multiverse because it was Hoopa's ring that brought him back. And it's no coincidence that it's phrased this way and that it's Hoopa who does it.

>>58005549
>it's the indigo disk the one without context!
Except it has more context. We have the base game's context and even more from the indigo disk, retard
The professors themselves mention how their world and yours don't have to be connected to begin with, and we know they aren't because their background doesn't fit with our world's professor
Cope

>>58004582
Sorry imaginationfag, the timeline goes RG/RS > GS/DP > BW > XY > SM
Unlike in 2004 and 2009, they didn't actually say ORAS took place at the same time as XY, despite being remade in that Gen, because that would fuck their lore, where RG and RS occurred simultaneously and XY came long after the events of Red becoming Kanto Champion.
Figures you think it's something different. Must have imagined Game Freak retconing the events of Hoenn to happening alongside XY's events.

>>58005991
>making up scenarios in his head
Nobody has said ORAS takes place at same time as XY, take your meds

>>58006973
>>58004582
When some stupid little girl says something such as that to me, it proves SHE didn't pay attention to her kiddy game. So do us all a favour and pay attention to your kiddy games. They're NOT that hard to understand. 'Course, I'm not a thirdy or got brown skin, so maybe I'm predisposed to innately understanding these things as I got an education worth a fuck.

>>58006982
most deranged post I've seen in a while

>>58004331
I didn't engaged in the discussion at any point, imagischizo. I did before the DLC, when there was still some marging to argue, buI after the DLC is a done issue.
I find it too pathetic to engage in this back and forth between people who can't concede they are wrong even in an anonymous board where no one knows what they stood for anyways (if they refuse to concede even in these circumstances, imagine how insufferable they must be irl) and retards who keep being brought back by those other people because they are too fucking stupid to even realize what they are doing.

>>58004307
imagination schizo shit aside because that guy isn't worth talking to or about:
obviously parallel timelines are established in the series, i just don't think they have anything at all to do with SV or its story, which is extremely up-front about being about time travel. the contradiction in the DLC has already been explained re:mistranslation discourse in this very thread so i don't feel like wasting breath on it, and the fact is the game is telling you it's about time travel constantly, telling you the paradox mons are time travelers constantly, telling you on numerous occasions that the crux of the plot is a time machine, and literally all secondary media (anime, TCG, etc - also previously posted in this thread) has doubled down on all of this.
it's telling that the other pokémon game that actually does deal with alternate universes is not subtle about it at all, Gen 7 talks about alternate universes in regards to ultra space and ultra beasts as frequently as Gen 9 talks about time travel in regards to the literal time machine and paradox mons. if this game was about alternate universes they would have been extremely obvious about it because it's made for fucking kids, there's a clear precedent for that.
all of that vs a throwaway line in the crystal pool scene that isn't even in reference to paradox mons, has been under heavy scrutiny from day 1 for its liberal translation of phrase that - as i understand it - had previously been used to refer to time travel in the base game; a scene which has been, in some form, adapted into the anime where it's again clarified to be straightforward time travel... and the japanese aren't even having this discussion because in the game's native language it's clear that it's about time travel from start to finish, crystal pool scene included? i don't know what this sounds like to you but if it was me looking at the facts, occam's razor would lead me straight to the conclusion that the game is about time travel.

>another meltdown
>plus avatarfagging
>with the same character even

>>58001851
>multiverses
>creative/fun/interesting
you complete retard

>>58001723
yes but they contradict what we know about these pokémon in the past so they have to be an alternate timeline by default

>>58007068
>a post longer than a sentence is a meltdown now
what happened to education? i wasn't even talking to you, pipe down retard.

>>58007081
Who says I'm talking about you schizo? Pipe down, retard

Timeschizo lost.

This thread is proof that the imagination vs timetravel debate was never genuine, just an excuse for retards to argue endlessly and troll. People just keep coming up with new retard theories to fish for (You)s when there's nothing actually left to discuss.

>>58007154
You forgot your Carmine avatar

>>58001452
Cope you wrong
ImGinationa won
Time travel losdeal with it

>I don't like the Paradox Pokemon, it's a very lazy design.
>I don't like the fact that in the future, Pokemon are similar to robots
>Oh no, not the legendary Beast !!!

That's why the bullshit of imagination existed, and that's why some people wrongly defend alternative timelines or headcanon theories, they can't stand the official version told by the game, and other official media. So any excuse is good enough to practice denial.

>>58007533
Sorry bro, you lost

For what it's worth, this is a line from the Japanese Pixiv wiki (which is, by far, the most comprehensive Japanese media wiki there is).

>>58007533
>NO NO NO YOU JUST DON'T LIKE IT, YOU BASE WHAT YOU THINK IS FACTUAL BASED ON WHAT YOU LIKE
Stop projecting. Also what the game says it's that they are from alternative timelines, cope and seethe.

>>>58007533
No, you lost

>>58000274 (OP)
Translation, mistranslation, it literally does not fucking matter. The point of the Paradox Pokemon is that you'll never learn their true origins, or else they stop being paradoxes. Terapagos' true nature will never be elaborated on either, it's the It Just Works Turtle that does whatever the fuck the writers need it to in that time, and otherwise has general Le Ebin Type Powers.
Arven himself became GameFreak's mouthpiece for the mystery, and he told you in the post-credits scene of the basegame where he DIRECTLY addresses the paradox in play between Heath encountering the Paradoxes BEFORE his parent built the Time Machine that it's nothing to worry about.

>>58007585
I'm not projecting anything, I'm describing facts that you don't assume. You're the one who's going to have to cope.

>>58007617
It's just a time paradox.
And Arven is just a student who doesn't know the whole story, which is easy to understand when you discover Terapagos.

>>58007626
Precisely what I said. It's a paradox, so you won't get the answer to how it happened, because if you explain the paradox, it stops being a paradox, which would necessitate a reclassification of all the Paradox Mons in the Pokedex from "Paradox Pokemon" to some other classification, something that's never happened in the franchise's near 30-year history.

>>58007618
>my opinion on how other people think is factual, it's not that they have a different way of think, even less that there's a possibility I may be wrong, the whole world agrees with me, it's just that some people don't like it
Meds. Asap.

>>58007617
Yeah this. It's supposed to be mysterious and ambiguous. That's the fun part. Trying so hard to explain something they deliberately avoid explaining is retarded and sucks the fun out of it. Stop being autistic. Not everything needs a logical explanation.

>>58007628
>>58007626
Oh great the club of ignorant retards who think every paradox is a bootstrap paradox when "paradox" is just a contradictory thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animalia_Paradoxa
They are called paradox pokemon because they are cryptids you dipshits

>>58007700
Except we already have cryptids in the forms of countless other species. Legendaries, Mythicals, general extremely rare Pokemon whose existences are debated upon, the works.
Paradoxes are anomalies that, by all accounts, do not make sense by our understanding of the Pokemon Worlds (yes, multiverse included), and should not exist, and yet somehow they do. This isn't even an Ultra Beast situation where we DO loosely understand how these beings exist, Paradoxes just plain aren't supposed to be here, or ANYWHERE for that matter.
And for some unknowable reason, they're tied to a Time Machine whose actual time travel functionalities are debatable because we never witness a living being use it to travel to the past or future (the AI basically commits sacrificial suicide by traveling through time, because it can't sustain itself without Area Zero,) a Time Machine running off of Terapagos' magic jackoff crystals that can do whatever the fuck the plot wants them to do, whether that's turning herbs into miracle drugs that can fix anything, conjuring people from the past that are also from another timeline, or letting your dipshit Pikachu temporarily turn into a Water Type with a retarded hat to denote this type change.

>>58007674
It's a beautiful autobiography of you. I encourage you to take these meds.

>>58007700
Because aren't Legendary and Mythical Pokemon already cryptic? It makes no sense to talk about these animals.
The way Ultra-Beast is described is similar to Paradoxmon. The information is very vague and fragmented, and the entities are so unfamiliar that when you meet them their name is ‘???’ and you wonder if they're really Pokémon. So Ultra-Beasts are also cryptids?

So it's a time paradox, because they have no place in the present days. The anime explained this very well, and it fits in perfectly with the story of past and future that's so often repeated in games, TCGs and so on.

>>58003051
If they introduce another "giant" Pokemon, that means there should be one for every type that isn't limited to Regigigas.

>>58007758
>>58007808
>legendary and mythical pokemon
>cryptids
There are many records of them, proper entries with actual info in the pokedex, and such. Paradox pokemon are actual cryptids and even the dex can only say "some think [incredibly bullshit theory]" about them
Hell many legendaries and mythical are literally just random rare pokemon like Heatran, Volcanion, Zarude...

This really only apply to the ancient paradox Pokemon, but this entry for Cyclizar made me question what the fuck and how the fuck does its species relate Koraidon if they're both super ancient already. You would think we would have as much information of Koraidon as Cyclizar if that were the case. We finally got our answer in the dlc thanks to the inter-dimensional turtle.

>>58007908
>even the dex can only say "some think [incredibly bullshit theory]" about them
Just like how the Pokedex is full of dex entries for completely normal Pokemon that push folklore and rumors as material worth publishing in the literal Pokemon Encyclopedia, like how in the modern day it supports the idea that Drifloon kidnaps children, even though Legends: Arceus, a game from about 100 years prior to Red's journey, dedicates a research sidequest to showing us that isn't doesn't do that?

>>58007954
>isn't doesn't
Jesus fuck, don't know what my brain was on, obviously meant "it doesn't"

>>58007787
>no u
kek

>>58007954
Little big difference between being recognized and studied species with some myths atributed to them and being literally the equivalent to a wendigo or mermaid whose entire information is the contradictory myth, buddy

>>58007961
Yes, but you're acting like the Pokedex pushing tabloid information on the Paradoxes as gospel is something unusual, when common species are constantly subject to this too.
The fucking thing shouldn't even be treated as a proper metric of information in SV's case anyway, for some godforsaken reason it literally reserves dex slots for Paradoxes that should not EVER be accounted for without multiverse version fuckery. Why is there a blank space for Roaring Moon in Violet, when Roaring Moon will never natively appear in a Violet universe? There's no Professor Sada with an ambition to bring the past to the present, so why the fuck is the dex reserving a slot for Roaring Moon, a Pokemon that fundamentally does not exist in Violet without multiversal tampering?

>>58007966
>you're acting like the Pokedex pushing tabloid information on the Paradoxes as gospel is something unusual
Except that's not what I said, that's what you interpreted and refuse to admit you were wrong. I'm saying it's normal to say "this animal here is believed to be cause of disasters" because we already have actual "scientific" info about them too and it's a well known creature in the world. The paradoxes skip all that and are only the bullshit part.
Remember you can catch Rayquaza in ORAS, where it's confirmed to be worshipped as a literal saviour deity of ancient hoennian people that was inactive for who know how many generations and yet you can just go to Devon and they will tell you about its biology, special organ and why it megaevolves on its own. Meanwhile you get yourself a paradox pokemon and this is what you have about them
Comparing legendary pokemon to cryptids is absurd

>>58008059
Again, Pokedex still pushes the idea that Drifloon kidnaps children, which is inherently false. Just because one rumor or legend is proven doesn't mean all of them are correct by default, or you go and directly contradict yourself by saying the tabloid bullshit about Paradoxes is true as a result.

>>58008131
Again, the pokedex having one myth about some pokemon is nothing compared to everything about them being a parody tier myth, and I never said the paradox entries are real you fucking retard

>>58007908
The explanation about Paradoxmon was given by the AI, we know what they are.
In short, it's only Occulture that isn't really serious, because nobody believed Health was right.

>>58007958
That's literally what you started doing first, when you falsely accused me of projecting myself onto you.
You're the clown you think you are

>>58007941
Koraidon is just even older than Cyclizar and that's no problem.

I don't know if you're aware, but the first traces of Cyclizar date back 10,000 years. Whereas a fossilmon can date back 100 to 300 million years.
All the Paradoxmon of the past have features or are related or refer to dinosaurs. I highly doubt we had dinosaurs 10,000 years ago.

>>58008059
Well, the Sada/Turo AI was able to explain to us that these are ancient/future forms of Cyclizar. They've studied and analysed their behaviour and also their DNA sequence, which is very similar. There is scientific knowledge about Paradoxmon, and the AI has given it to us through its lines of text.

Scarlet/Violet Book is a book that tells the truth about what he saw, but he was never able to prove it because it all disappeared, so nobody believed him.
Then Occulture started talking rubbish about it. But the knowledge exists about Paradoxmon, it's just not widely known. This is also why Briar insists on trying to prove that his ancestor was right, because he is factually correct.

>>58008507
If we're to take occulture as gospel, which it might as well be until the game itself proves otherwise (and it won't, that's the only lore we're ever going to get on these intentional enigmas,) then the Ancients/Futures are literally a billion years behind or ahead of the present day.

>>58008559
Yes, they are unlikely to give out the information. Pokémon likes to be imprecise or give away halves of stories. It was more to say that the extreme minimum, would be they are millions of years old.

A bit like SwSh, who won't explain why Eternatus arrived on Earth and not elsewhere, whether he comes from our solar system or much further away, or what his goals are as an antagonist. Essential elements for understanding this element.
They didn't even bother to explain the original form of Dialga and Palkia. Nor did they mention what Giratina was before he became a violent entity to be banished, even though the story places him on the same level as the deity of time and space with the three statuses (so there's no explanation of his previous role).
Well, I'm not going to go through them all, otherwise we won't have finished, so we'll just use a few recent examples.

>>58008587
Let's not forget Blue Dynamax

>>58008507
>Koraidon is just even older than Cyclizar and that's no problem.
Anon, humanity is to good at recording super ancient history to the point of ludicrousness. If there was an actual Koraidon in the Pokemon world we play in, it would've been known and the marketing team wouldn't point out Cyclizar is humanity's ancient friend.

>>58008618
You definitely don't know what to invent. When things span millions of years, that's not really the case.

>>58008683
So Koraidon is magically older than all of the other dino and fossil related Pokemon somehow?

>check thread again
>the frenchie didn't give up on his quest to be humiliated

>>58008765
It's possible that it is, if we consider Occulture's date as Game Freak's choice.
But my point is that they're at least 100 to 250 million years old.

>>58009669
First of all, you haven't humiliated anyone at all. Secondly, the person you call ‘Frenchie’ (i.e. me) is not the same person as the one who posts comments with Carmine.

>>58009827
oh he definitely humiliated someone: himself lol

>>58009873
All you're doing is showing your immaturity because you're frustrated by a situation beyond your control. Sorry, I don't have any more time for your childish behaviour.

>>58010010
oh nawwww u mad lmao

>>58001403
The problem is that they picked both instead of picking one. Doesn't help that timefags deny this basic fact all the time just because one of the two translations helps their point.

>>58001829
The original timetravelfags are still claiming the same.
The people you're refering to are post-DLC imaginationfags.

>>58004219
If you wanna count masters, that outright says they're from another world.

>>58010162
Except that the anime, the TCG, and the Masters EX agree with the translation made for Turo and Sada's AI, because it's the right one.
Knowing that the AI has other dialogues that clearly contextualised the Paradoxmon, which made it possible to be more precise about how to translate it. Whereas the other was translated much later, by a separate team, without the context around the Paradoxmon.

>>58010177
In order to discuss any of these things you need to know how to read first. I'm wasn't questioning the first translation.

>>58010177
>spinoffs
lmao
Meanwhile the actual game confirms without even needing to consider translations that it's a matter of alt timelines because this guy isn't the professor of our world
But hey keep looking at your cards

>>58010179
>I'm wasn't questioning