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Genwar thread

>>58000433
>each game is considered the best at something
>genwar

you got literally every one wrong

>>58000431 (OP)
give best characters to sun/moon and yeah

>>58000440
why?

>>58000436
>every region represented but 1 and 8
SwSh I get but surely Kanto has something

>>58000431 (OP)
>The stupidest story that contradicts the basis of the ENTIRE fucking franchise that wild Pokemon envy Pokemon with trainers, it's the best
Really, fans of that generation should be shot on sight.

>>58000452
Kanto has the best pokedex. Can't beat the classics.

>>58000452
best dungeons maybe? there's a lot of em and they're mostly pretty good, mt moon is annoying though

>>58000431 (OP)
>literally dung for subhumans as the best story
yikes

>>58000452
gens 1, 8, and 9 are just GONE.
I get why FP thought it was a genwar thread

>>58000475
just didn't have any idea for those, didn't want to start a genwar

>>58000457
BW doesn't contradict any of that and in fact reinforces it. In fact, it reinforces it so hard that Yawnfag has a melty over the fact that it demonstrates that the team that is going against this idea is evil constantly and consistently.
>>58000446
There's like no good characters in base SM, Lillie is mediocre and just worse than USUM Hau in every way. I'd argue SV has the best characters, because the base game has three of them that are actually written which beats BW's one-ish well written character.

>>58000484
bro? your sexy evil villain?

>>58000431 (OP)
*kicks munna*

>>58000431 (OP)
Fixed.

>>58000484
That s a lie cringe faggot, N, whos supposedly able to communicate with pokemon, somehow never manages to talk to any non team plasma trainer's pokemon to confirm whether theyre happy or not. The entire point was to show that Pokemon with loving trainers are happy, but N conveniently never checks. and then BW2 makes the whole BW plot look even more ridiculous when we find out that even team plasma grunts close to N have deep, emotional bonds with their Pokemon, So what, the faggot who talks to Pokemon just missed that? The whole story is shit and the best way to know when you talk to NPCs is when they spit shit saying BW is a good story

>>58000522
>best lore is SV
Absolutely not, lore is meaningless trite in that game. The best lore is either gen 1 or 2

This board should just be renamed /bw/ at this point. That's what he wants.

>>58000604
>he
who?
also nobody removed >>58000523

>>58000523
>N, whos supposedly able to communicate with pokemon, somehow never manages to talk to any non team plasma trainer's pokemon to confirm whether theyre happy or not
Literally the first time you meet him he talks to your Pokemon and realizes exactly that, as he says at the end of the game. What, do you expect him to change his mind because somebody says something once despite years of evidence to the contrary? If so, you would have changed your mind immediately when I brought it up instead of waiting for more pertinent information like this. And N isn't even the best written character in the game, he doesn't actually show much about what he's learning despite clearly learning it over the course of the game as I've demonstrated, it's not adequately explained which is how retards like you completely miss it. Maybe it's the extremely straightforward translation that loses any nuance, this is TPCi's first attempt at it and it fucking shows.
>BW2 makes the whole BW plot look even more ridiculous when we find out that even team plasma grunts close to N have deep, emotional bonds with their Pokemon
You mean that thing we see right at the ass end of BW in optional dialogue in N's castle, meaning that it almost certainly took the entire course of the game for some of the Plasma Grunts to realize it? Good writing means that things take time, it's not like professional wrestling where you get complete character turns at the drop of a hat.

>>58000627
>And N isn't even the best written character in the game, he doesn't actually show much about what he's learning despite clearly learning it over the course of the gam
idk, i think he works well regardless
>And N isn't even the best written character in the game
who you think it is?

>>58000604
Please stop noticing

>>58000638
>idk, i think he works well regardless
He's fine, but it could be better in one way or another.
>who you think it is?
Bianca, easily. Consistently developing character arc with a solid turning point, gets the message of her character across perfectly, you knew exactly how she would end up in B2W2. That does require you to pay attention to cutscenes in a Pokemon game, which I know is hard, but in this case it's actually worth it. Compare that to Cheren, who has a goal, gets asked one question about said goal, and then doesn't have a good answer for the entire game well in to post-game. Being a Gym Leader in B2W2 makes sense for the character, but nothing in BW indicates that's where he would end up exactly.

>>58000522
>best lore
You fags were fighting over time travel vs imagination for too long for that.

>>58000522
>Best story
>Best lore
KEK

>>58000604
>>58000645
>people i dislike should be shot
>NOOOO WHY WAS MY POST DELETED REEE
based mods taking out the trash.

>58000751
>>n-Noo only I can criticise other gens haha gen6 bad get it
>>did you just say gen5 isn’t the epitome of the series? I’m getting the janny aiiiii
Keek

>>58000433
If it wasn't made with that intent, you sure turned it into a genwar thread

>>58000751
This is 4chan. Not Reddit. That's a pretense.

>>58000604
>bw haters post the worst comments that add nothing
>get deleted
>*surprised pikachu*

the only thing that gen 2 is the best at is killing pokemania lol

>>58000431 (OP)
>USUM
>difficult
I am so tired of this meme...

>>58000452
>Kanto
Best campaign
>Paldea
Best characters(?) I like Kieran at least
>Galar
uhhhhhhhhhhh

>>58000431 (OP)
SV has the best story and it isn't even close. I love gen 5 dearly but objectively BW is really not that interesting if you're not literally 12 years old.

>>58001996
N’s inner conflict and tragic past hold up well against SV’s, imo

>>58000431 (OP)
Learn to crop shit you goon.

>>58000431 (OP)
How is USUM not in best lore?
The lore in DPPt is just a rip off of Zelda.

>>58000466
Mt. Moon is great as an intimidating labyrinth the first time you enter it, and then when you've got more experience and knowledge it becomes an almost quaint little passage you can get through easily.

>>58002041
Multiverse lore is shit by definition

>>58000431 (OP)
Best Lore goes to Gen 1, I like the Mewtwo foreshadowing and all the mad science stuff going on

Best map should go to Platinum

>>58000522
Pretty good, I would put HGSS for best post game but the lore and story being gen 9 is just a fucking fact. It's basically the only good story of the entire franchise.

Best online is not arguable either.

>>58002312
>It's basically the only good story of the entire franchise.
Because?

>>58002331
because it doesn’t have a retarded munna kick that invalidates the entire story 10 minutes into the game

>>58002338
Yeah I expected derangement syndrome as the first argument.

>>58002341
Yeah I expected asshurt jealousy as the first argument.

>>58002338
it doesn't invalidate anything, it's just less subtle

>>58002360
It invalidates any believability of team plasma’s plan remotely working and it invalidates any thought that the story is unique or interesting instead of “team bad guy wants to use legendary to rule the region” rehash #3

>>58002312
>best lore
no
>best story
yes

>>58000433
based fpbp OP is a faggot

>>58002365
>It invalidates any believability of team plasma’
it doesn't.

>>58002377
It does.

>>58002380
i fap on xy boxart btw.

>>58002338
so any game that doesn't have that is the "only good story in the franchise"? how do multiple games have the "only good story"?

so do these threads always just end up as gen 5 shitflinging

>>58002389
because gen 5 fans are the most defensive and they assume this is reddit where people think gen 5 is the best by default while providing zero arguments

>>58002399
average unovafag:
>provides actual arguments and understands different viewpoints and opinions
average yawnie follower:
>but munna... but berry farming... b-but pokeradar!!!

>>58002389
not always, sometimes discordfags make it gen 2 shitflinging instead

>>58002403
>provides actual arguments
There hasn’t been a single argument in this thread for how Unova has the best story.

>>58002408
>>58000484
>>58000627
>>58000638
>>58000654
>>58002030

>>58002415
None of those posts contain arguments for how BW has the best story. One decent character surrounded in a mountain of shit writing isn’t a good story. Now excuse me while I go kick Munna again :)

>>58002421
BW has the best plot because it’s the only game where the story is fully integrated into the world. Team Plasma’s moral dilemma whether Pokémon should be used by trainers isn’t just theory it’s reflected in the world. Plasma grunts mistreat Pokémon showing their hypocrisy. They claim to fight for freedom but act like the trainers they criticize. This is where Ghetsis's manipulation comes in he uses N's ideals to gain power while N genuinely believes Pokémon deserve freedom despite being brainwashed by Ghetsis his whole life.
The drama comes from the fact that N isn’t a villain he’s a victim of his own beliefs. He uses Pokémon who chose him showing his sincerity. The climax where N defeats the Champion before you flips the narrative. The final battle isn’t about becoming the strongest but about which truth is real. BW is the only game that makes you question the fundamentals of the Pokémon world.

>>58002454
>BW has the best plot because it’s the only game where the story is fully integrated into the world.
until you notice team plasma acting like clowns the entire game and somehow people don't instantly think they're just retarded criminals

>>58000431 (OP)
>Hoenn in best map

>>58002331
Because it's the only story that manages to create truly compelling and interesting characters. And i'm not only referring to the Area Zero part.(Even though that part was the best)
In previous games the stories were very simple but worked for Pokémon, a kid going in an adventure and beating some evildoers was cool, but what they did with gen 9 was far better than anything that came prior to that. (Though I agree GF made some efforts for the PMD games, gen5-6 and 7).
I won't elaborate more on what makes it so much better because no one truly cares about other people's opinion, they just want to be right., so i know whatever i might say would just be brushed off/ignored.

(For instance the guy who talked about the "munna kick" was not entirely wrong about the hypocrisy of team plasma being showed at the begining, though I agree with those who doesn't consider it to be a huge flaw in BW's story. After all, it was obvious from the very begining that they were evil pretending to be good)

>>58002583
>I won't elaborate more on what makes it so much better because no one truly cares about other people's opinion
I care if they're in good faith

>>58000511
>Used goods
Nah

>>58002557
Even with the water memes it genuinely is.
>Vocanic Ash
>Berry patches everywhere encourages travel
>Hidden bases make you love every route
>Illusion tower in the desert
>That long as fuck route on the way to the tree city
It's by far the best of the maps.

>>58000431 (OP)
>Gen 1/FRLG
Best Region
>Gen 2/HGSS
Best postgame
>Gen 3/ORAS
Best puzzles
>Gen 4/BDSP
Best Lore
>Gen 5/BW2
Best events
>Gen 6
Best mechanics changes
>Gen 7
I haven't finished it so I can't comment on it.
>gen 8
I haven't played it so I can't comment on it.
>gen 9
I haven't played it so I can't comment on it.

>>58002583
> (Though I agree GF made some efforts for the PMD games, gen5-6 and 7).
GF didn't make those.

>>58000657
Yeah, good lore is when there's actually something to discuss because it's left open to interpretation instead of just being dictated to you.

>pokemon has a good story
>ever
Read a book you retards.

>>58002591
>water memes
It's not a meme, it's a genuine problem that half the map is reserved for Tentacool and Wingull.
>Vocanic Ash
It's neat but that's literally one route and it also isn't really that interesting.
>Berry patches everywhere encourages travel
It encourages spamming fly and wasting your time which is not a good thing.
>Hidden bases make you love every route
I could not care less about this mechanic.
>Illusion tower in the desert
Maybe if the dungeon itself was any fun to travel through.
>That long as fuck route on the way to the tree city
Cool, but again 1 route.

4 and 5 have the best maps to play in and 7 and 8 have the best visually designed ones.

>>58003411
ever heard of kids books?

>>58003437
>4
lmao
>5
maybe

>>58003437
>4 and 5 have the best maps to play
yeah I fucking love shitty generic caves with no gameplay except geodude and zubat line spam!

>>58000452
Kanto has the best atmosphere
>>58000466
this too

>>58003463
That’s like every gen until 7

>>58003476
>a-actually every gen is shit!
No.

>>58003484
That is not what I said

>>58003484
>>58003487
Also this is a wild thing to whine about when Hoenn has the same problem with the waterways

>>58003487
Yes it is.

>>58003492
Yes so instead you should play gen 4 and 5 where the water encounters are ALSO dogshit and you don’t even get the diving maps anymore. Brilliant idea retard.

>>58003505
>gen 4 and 5 where the water encounters are ALSO dogshit
Yeah but they're not half the map lol

>>58003505
lol you surf like twice in gen 4 and you don't need surf to beat gen 5 at all, what a dumb faggot

>>58003505
calm down yawnfag

>>58003528
Yeah but now you have the other half of the game being garbage cave maps lol

>>58003535
>cave encounters are shit
>water encounters are shit
>but the games still have better maps because...um...I grew up with them

>>>/r/eddit

>>58003553
>half of Sinnoh is caves like how half of Hoenn is water
Not even close, yawnfag

>>58003585
Yes even close, sagefag

>>58001996
Making bullied kids go back to school and poorly explained timeline fuckery is pretty shit to be quite honest with you family. Frankly I hate all the timeline and dimension shit they keep doing, and family drama, it feels so distant from what I actually find appealing about pokemon
Kieran's story is good, I'll say that. BW's is just more interesting on a conceptual level since in contrast to the above it has a lot to do with the core of pokemon, which even if it isn't written incredibly well, it's still pokemon, it's good in the context given.
Incidentally this is also why I don't like BW2's story because it just kind of goes "eh world domination" like ok I guess