Thread 58005082

>put cut betas in a game
>it will significantly boost sales easily
why don't they do this? seems like a no brainer

>>58005082 (OP)
they may have done this more times than you imagine

>>58005082 (OP)
>significantly
Name literally one demographic of people who
1) aren't already buying the games
2) would be convinced to buy the games because of these things

>>58005110
many people don't buy the modern games, I haven't bought one since sumo, but putting some betas would make me curious at least

>>58005110
Came to post this. OP is retarded.

Gen 3 Peanut Dragon and King Poliwrath are great, but I GameFreak cannot be trusted to make a quality game.

>>58005082 (OP)
nobody wants to admit this but 90% of the betamons are shit and/or redundant.
the early designs of pokemon we did get are a lot more interesting than the mons we didn't get.

For me, the fact that GF fails to include a bunch of beta designs in a game is proof of how incompetent they are. If you get designs like Kotora, Wolfsman, the voodoo panda, the fire bear, among others, they are already so well known that with minor tweaks they’d be ready to be released and a game like this would make a lot of coin for them. Specially because they could use the angle of multiverse they already used on Legend Arceus for example with time-space distortions or on USUM with the UBs universes.

>>58005416
>the fact that GF fails to regurgitate shitty designs they intentionally didn't put into the games because of their low quality is proof of how incompetent they are

>>58005407
I think the only ones which are objectively better are the Gen 2 evolutions we didn't get until Gen 4 and that's mostly because Gen 4 had a weaker design philosophy

>>58005135
So what is your reason for not buying the games, and would adding betamons really change that?

I'll just stick to rom hacks that implement them.

>>58005110
Adding beta mons may not cause the games to sell 10x as much but they are guaranteed to bring some new/returning customers into the fray and before you dismiss that as these 20-50 people not being worth it, as a multi-million dollar company, this is the exact type of scenario where you would milk these extra few bucks because... why the fuck not?

These beta mons are already mostly complete, I don't think there's a single human on earth in which this would be some final straw that makes them grow out of Pokémon, on an ethical level it is prudent to show goodwill to the fans by showing that you care about the IP's world and inner development history, and as I said before, any company worth their salt will jump at the opportunity to squeeze in more extra sales no matter how small. There is literally no downside to what OP is advocating for.

>>58005102
FPBP

>>58005920
No, they're not kid. Because they've either returned or they've experienced a DIFFERENT era to the one Tajiri worked on (that NONE of you cunts experienced, hence why you're DESPERATE to add Gen 1 betashit, that got benched for not meeting Tajiri's standards for what a pokémon SHOULD be). And that's ignoring they HEAVILY edit benched designs to try and make them useable if they can, like turning an electric cat into a water pinniped, but keeping the ganky ball-like shape.
>Captcha is telling you what to do

>>58005920
>there is literally no downside to adding shitty designs to the game on purpose to attract the 2 betafuckards who don’t buy the games anyway

>>58006124
I don't think I fit the description of your boogeymen considering that I want beta Lickilicky and beta Kingdra to be restored the most and I'd love to see one good conceivable reason as to why they couldn't work. Let's not pretend like you can't tell which beta designs the average person has in mind when they say that they need to be made official and could reasonably fit in official media without raising eyebrows. If anything there's less of an excuse to leave them on the cutting room floor now that we have Megas, regional variants, and paradoxes.

>>58005907
I recommend this. When you play a romhack that recreates the beta, you can tell why they were scrapped. For Gen 2, I think there are 5 Pokémon we were robbed of, another dozen that look nice, but their removal was understandable, and a couple that were later added in Gen 4, but find their Gen 2 beta design better.

threadly reminder that they were cut for a reason

>>58006474
>I'd love to see one good conceivable reason as to why they couldn't work
Well let's see, for one knowledge of the betas is limited to a niche subset of the fanbase who
1. Primarily play the video games, instead of the TCG, mobile games , watch the anime, or collect merch. All of which are larger portions of the fanbase than the game players now.
2. Played the early gens (1-5). Again, increasingly becoming a minority in the fanbase.
3. Care enough (and, key point, UNDERSTAND enough) about game development to look into Pokemon's or any game they like's development.
Meanwhile for literally everyone else the designs would overlap/clash with what we already have.

>>58005082 (OP)
That would be acknowledging that the leaks were real, so it'll never happen.

>>58006766
/thread

>>58007048
>All of which are larger portions of the fanbase than the game players now.

>>58007048
Except the leaks were major headline news and created an explosion of fanart, drawn and seen by people well outside of any of those categories

>>58005082 (OP)
They've been cut for a reason. Also, only mega nerds care about these. Normies aka 80% of the sales don't give a fuck.

>>58006474
>i don't think i fit the definition when i want designs that were trashed for being unfitting added to the series
That's the thing kid, you cunts AREN'T a boogyman, you exist and you're all to a woman retarded as all fuck, because they never made it to the series FOR A REASON. They got adjusted, they got edited heavily or they got outright scrapped after being held back and being unable to be made fit the series every generation after its original creation. But you bastards want them in anyway because you're beta little bastards mooning over beta drawings.

>>58008479
Even the weakest examples, like beta elekid, were well liked when people saw them. Most were cut for good reason, but it's more like, people are now more aware that there's dozens of pokemon on the cutting room floor from each generation, and some of them would have been someone's favorite.

The actual reason a thread like this would exist at all is people have started doubting gamefreak's judgement

>only mega nerds care
>Except the leaks were major headline news and created an explosion of fanart, drawn and seen by people well outside of any of those categories

>>58008501
You seriously have no clue how normie the majority of Pokémon players are.

>>58006124
>>58008496
Why are you shouting and namecalling when other people are trying to have a conversation? Calm down. Consider medication.

>>58005082 (OP)
Hubris
Game Freak can never admit it was wrong, and they also don't want to undermine their current (bad) design team.

Only a handful of them fit the criteria good ideas, a concept that works but simply didn't fit in that particular game or needed a little reworking, and actually fits the aesthetic of Pokemon. That having been said, Raitora could be in a Pokemon game tomorrow if somebody comes up with a good stat spread and moveset, and I'm surprised it didn't make it in to any game after Gen 2 when fucking Scraggy got in. Like, Scraggy is a funny little guy, I think he's neat, but better than Raitora? Really? On the other hand, shit like the book bird or like half the random shit they sketched in Gen 2 don't really fit Pokemon and really never did. Objectmons generally have better excuses than most of those guys just by looking at them.

>>58007048
>Played the early gens (1-5). Again, increasingly becoming a minority in the fanbase.

>>58006124
I might start using Y8 as a shorthand for KYS, same way weaboo overtook wapanese for the same meaning

>>58008515
The dumb cunt kid who thinks the normalfag masses that outspend him by sheer number give two fucks about 27 year old designs like she does, much less that adding them would somehow increase total sales numbers when what actually mattered to adults was not having to spend $200 on a shitty little handheld to play the games on full stop (as evidenced by Switch selling less than DS, but Pokémon selling more per release than DS generations). If that's not you, stay the fuck out (or more like fuck off back to mumsnet and the safe spaces of the internet where no nasty adults will tear strips off the stupid). Otherwise, shut the fuck up you little spastic. We've gone over this discussion exhaustively often since /vp/ opened. Not my fault you're new.

>>58008952
>We've gone over this discussion exhaustively often since /vp/ opened.
I don't doubt that for a second. After all, this is one of those types of ongoing discussions where there's consistent new information being added to the table, the chance of it being brought up again is made more likely based on what level of awful the current gen's pokedex will be, and the fact that more and more casuals have joined the internet.

>>58005082 (OP)
The only betamon who'd cause a sales boost would be Gorochu, but introducing Gorochu would require setting the precedent that Pokemon can evolve a total of three times.
And then that risks pissing off fans of 3-stage mons with Megas, who now have to live with the fact that their mons are now monlets who can't evolve further because Megas are explicitly for mons who have reached their final stage of evolution, and we ALREADY see seething about this as currently is.

>>58008501
>>58008519
>The actual reason a thread like this would exist at all is people have started doubting gamefreak's judgement
>they also don't want to undermine their current (bad) design team

>>58005082 (OP)
These look like shit and are usually grosser, less subtle version of existing pokemon
Only high oestrogen soiboys in their 30s/40s love them

>>58009138
Oh noooo the franchise mascot is a snowflake mon who evolves 4 times this would doom the series.
>And then that risks pissing off fans of 3-stage mons with Megas, who now have to live with the fact that their mons are now monlets who can't evolve further
If TPCi actually cared about that shit GameFreak would've shat out an evolution/regional for Mawile or Absol or Pinsir by now.

>>58007048
>early gens (1-5)
If gen 5 was actually an early gen you wouldn’t have to keep desperately specifying it.

>>58010432
>evolution
Again, contradicts the lore.
>regional
This would ALSO piss them off because they're basically admitting they dead-ended themselves with Megas and now have to regionally replace those mons.

>>58010440
It’s specified because this board is so
contrarian a DS game can’t be considered old for some autistic reason

When I think of something like having Twins or Ikari or the Fire/Water sea lion in Gold and Silver, I don't think about actually using them. That part doesn't excite me at all. What gets my mind racing is imagining what areas they could be hiding in, what mechanics are behind finding them, what about the cut haunted house from Route 27? What would you find there? What about the dungeon with the mine carts? Could the skateboard be used to access new areas with Pokémon you can't find elsewhere? It would be like if they remade Gold and Silver again and it was exactly the same except you could transfer Unova+ Pokémon through HOME. It doesn't matter, I don't care. What are they going to do that expands the actual things you can DO and FIND in the game?

>>58008501
Only mega nerds and giant nostalgia fags care and only they would be dumb enough to think they'll be any draw to having them included in a game as a gimmick. If anything, such a move would make me question gamefreak judgement even more on how much they don't really care about Pokemon anymore.

>Except the leaks were major headline news

Only headline news in the fact that Nintendo got hacked.

>explosion of fanart, drawn and seen by people well outside of any of those categories

by mega nerds

>>58005082 (OP)
The only reason you care about these designs is because they aren't in the games. Betafags are that grass is greener retards.

>>58010837
>a [thing that isn't old] can't be considered old
hmmm go figure

gen 10 better have Omega

>>58011191
>software made 15 years ago isn't old

>>58011311
You’re right. Gen 6 is old.

>>58008501
This design is ded palchad robbed it lmao

>>58011314
Based, Get fucked shitfreak

>>58007034
What would you name him, /vp/?

>>58007034
>>58012403
Firstly, that image is kinda shit because it's not longer angular. See, the inspiration behind it seems to actually be the Hounds of Tindalos, where they're strongly associated with angles (this is why the similarly inspired Yu-Gi-Oh archetype are called Tindangles). Secondly, if that is the correct assumption something like Tindog would roughly be correct but even then that's kinda shit.

>>58012403
Howllow, howl and hollow.

>>58009124
>the fact that more and more casuals have joined the internet.
Which means less and less chance the buying public would give a monkey's fiddler's fuck for them, much less KNOW what the fuck any the ganky fucking things supposed to be. Again, not my fault you're a blow-in newbie.
>>58008790
Funny, I was pronouncing it "yeet", like zoomies bastardise vocabulary these days.