>you have to shoehorn a pokemon that has a megaevolution somewhere into your party, even if you don't like or care about any of the limited selection of pokemon that have megaevolutions
>or you'll be at a massive disadvantage versus anyone who has a megaevolution on your team
Even ignoring how Mega Evolutions are typically atrocious visually and aesthetically, while being inconsistent with the pokemon or whole line of pokemon that it they evolve from. How the fuck can mega-defenders defend the above?
Why do I have to run pokemon I dislike just shoehorn your disgusting evolutions? Fuck megas and fuck people who defend them!

>>58005224 (OP)
Serves you right for being a compfag instead of just having fun

2014 meta was extremely enjoyable and there's no reason to listen to retarded contrarians who disliked an excellent mechanic.
2015 ruined it with Bank Pokemon.
>but I don't like it
Suffer faggot. There are always mons you MUST run to be competitive when the power level is high, do you plan to tell me you aren't running Shadow or Ice horse?
What about the bikes or water bear?
Centralizing Pokemon existed before and after megas. Cope how you like.

>>58005289
>reduces all but 46 pokemon into worthless NPC fodder that only exist to prop up the mega-bearers
>most went to pokemon that didn't need it
>even out of the ones that needed it and got most couldn't compete with the broken ones
>even out of the ones that needed it, got it, and were able to compete, they're end up even worse off then before once their super saiyan stone gets taken away (unless they happen to be CHARIZARD who just gets a brand new gold parachute buff ever gen)
>Poorly explained lore
There's nothing "Excellent" about megashit

>>58005289
>retarded contrarians who disliked an excellent mechanic
A mechanic that forces pokemon you may not like at all onto your team or miss out on a game mechanic that's by design over powered and only balanced by how both teams have access to it (but only if you use the limited selection of pokemon that you may not like), is an excellent game mechanic?
And you're contrarian if you didn't like forcing pokemon you dislike onto your team?

>>58005296
Which buff has Charizard benefitted this gen?
How many restricteds are actually viable right now?(around 9)
Centralization is the game, even in reg H there were mons you came to expect like Gholdengo, Sneasler, and Archaludon.
46 is quite a number and the actual number that were viable that 1st year in 2014 was around half of those.
You're complaining about nothing with the 46 number, no one care because that's usually the total number of pokemon in a given meta that actually make a splash.

>>58005296
>even out of the ones that needed it, got it, and were able to compete, they're end up even worse off then before once their super saiyan stone gets taken away
This makes no sense and is just outright delusional cope. Please explain how the existence of e.g. Mega Altaria somehow makes normal Altaria any worse in gen 8/9.

>>58005306
You can't Karen your way to victory. You have to play the game as it is, not how you want it to be.

>>58005306
>restricted format necessitates that you run the ugly ass gay horse or the ugly ass bike dogs
>this is fine though because reasons
hypocrisy

>>58005224 (OP)
Nice “balanced comp complaint” but this is a kids game so you better learn how to use the power of friendship or get curbstomped by my bug who I’ve met 2 seconds ago

>>58005289
So basically what you’re saying is that despite the seething towards megas there wasn’t a tangible difference in centralization relative to later gens when all restricteds were allowed? I thought people said this stuff was power creep central or bad in regards to vgc

>>58005311
Don't expect consistency.
The first batch of XY megas were pretty solid, the power creep really came from Salamence and Metagross.
People will complain about Mega Kang, but won't remember it not mattering in 2014. Its usage picked up because it was really excellent support in very high power metas like 2015, 2016, and 2019.
2018 was a really cool meta too and Kang had only 1 appearance in too 8.

>>58005306
>And you're contrarian if you didn't like forcing pokemon you dislike onto your team?
Yes according to megashitters

>>58005306
>A mechanic that forces pokemon you may not like at all onto your team or miss out v
This is literally how the game has always worked. Trying to own your friends on the playground in 1999 but you don't like Tauros or Snorlax? You're shit out of luck. Megas change absolutely nothing about this, it just added a new set of top-tier must-include Pokemon like every other gen has always done.

In fact if anything the fact that Megas are limited to one per team actually makes them less centralizing since you can't just fill out your whole team with the 6 best megas like you can with ordinary Pokemon, you only get one.

>>58005312
>You can't Karen your way to victory. You have to play the game as it is
Yeah. But the only reason the game became so ridiculously centred around but a couple of dozen pokemon in particular, is because they got these at the time brand new mega evolutions which was absolutely busted.
Without them, the viable number of pokemon were and would have been much wider. And even if you were to build a sub par team, the difference in power would have likely be much less stark than if one team had a mega evolution and your team did not.

Because mega evolutions are disproportionally powerful. Which is why both teams need to have them.
Compare it to the transformation gimmicks of the gens that succeeded megas. And that was no longer an issue. Terastallization might be some sparkly gay ass shit visually, but at least every single pokemon had access to it. Megas meanwhile just says "use these specific pokemon or suck it."
And people like you defend it for some reason. Probably because some of your favourites got megas or something.

>>58005323
>The first batch of XY megas were pretty solid
Yeah bro hitting twice with power up punch sounds pretty fair and totally balanced that's why they nerfed it

>NOOOOOO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE THIS POKEMON TO BATTLE YOU CAN'T USE ANYTHING ELSE
Call me when you people stop being a bunch of sheeps lol

>>58005338
Sure, take a look at the results for Kangz in 14 and 18.
It wasn't the single best mega in terms of power, but it was in terms of priority and support it was. When there weren't really powerful centralizing pokemon(Primals) that wanted Mega K around, then it wasn't the first choice for team builders.

>>58005337
This argument makes no sense. If you actually play competitive Pokemon then you should know there are already many Pokemon that are near-mandatory to use to stay competitive with or without megas. And if you play competitively why do you give a fuck? Go sweep the E4 with your team of 6 Mankeys, why does it matter to you fucking at all if Megas are strong or not?

>>58005337
ah yes, the times before megas, when pokemon wasn't ridiculously centralized...
cresselia on every team, tyranitar on every team, thundurus on every team, pseudos in general being spammed...
ahh they just don't make em like they used to.

Hot take, you can run any Pokémon in any format as long as it's legal, and if you don't like that format, play a different format. Yes, please do run flail magikarp in Gen III OU if you really do feel like it. Also, even disregarding megas you are often times obligated to run crap you don't like anyways. The premise is wow, I hate being competitive. Don't play competitive then and just lose a bunch...

>>58005224 (OP)
You can use this same logic to complain about not every pokemon not being equally strong
Why do I have to use legendaries, pseudo or other meta defining pokémon just to not be at a disadvantage when I only like shitmon? BUAAAAAAAA

>>58005347
in any video game that is competitive, there's going to be matchups and other stuff. blaming mega evolutions is missing the point entirely on why pokemon are not used in OU or whatever

>>58005349
>Don't play competitive then and just lose a bunch...
These kinds of people don't play competitive and couldn't care less about it. The actual reason they throw a fit about Megas is because their autism can't stand the idea of Mega Mawile or whoever the fuck being stronger than their "bro", even if it doesn't actually affect them in any real way.

>>58005352
>Gamefreak adds a new mechanic that makes all the weak underleveled pokemon equal to legendaries.
>This same guy starts complaining about this mechanic making all the cool pokemon worse.
>Noooo why did my awesome dragonite die to a caterpie.

>>58005358
No kidding, you ain't lived until you made a team that uses suboptimal pokemon and wins.

>>58005347
Consider this though. A mega evolution is stronger than all of those pokemon.
A team that is running neither of the non-mega picks nor any of the megas. Is still way closer to the teams you listed than a team that can also benefit from megas.

It's disgusting power creep and you're defending it.

>>58005224 (OP)
>Why do I have to run pokemon I dislike
That is true with or without Megas.
Funny enough, many XY Pokemon were highly valued even though they didn't get Megas. While it was a centralizing mechanic, it didn't make other Pokemon entirely useless.

>>58005364
It can definitely be done, it just means you have to play substantially better than your opponent to overcome the power advantage they have.
Or you have to hope the opponent isn't familiar with the gimmick you're running. Taunt was not as common on teams at the beginning of reg I as it is now that Smeargle has seen a resurgence for decorate spore.
>>58005367
Way greater variety in 2014 with megas. How could this happen karensisters?

>>58005374
>Gyarados
>Machamp
>Rotom Grass
>Aerodactyl
>Ludicolo
>Lapras
>Manectric
>Chestnaut
>Sawk
>Raichu
>Staraptor
>Weavile
>Aggron
>Bisharp
>Florges
>Blastoise

2014 was wild.

>>58005224 (OP)
If you want to use any pokemon you want and not a limited selection of having to use whats meta you arent going to be playing comp,
if you needed megas to beat the story in the gen 6 games then you may just be bad at pokemon.

>>58005224 (OP)
oh...youre one of those people who boxes their starter huh...

>>58005224 (OP)
And even then, if you're not using the absolute creme of the crop (Mega Rayquaza, Mega Salamence, Mega Kangaskhan, etc.) you're STILL putting yourself at an objective disadvantage, because you're wasting your one Mega on a lesser pick.

>>58005224 (OP)
>Be me, 2013
>Playing XY
>Given Squirtle randomly
>”Also, don’t forget to use his super form when you get him to Blastoise.”
>Finally get my boy Blastoise
>Use the new gimmick
>Takes fucking forever to go through the animation to charge up
>Turns into this shit
>Never touch the button again
>Look up all megas after beating the game
>Oh, so they all look like shit.
Really the best way to enjoy the games with mega evolution is just don’t use em. Then when your opponent turns their pokemon ugly, it’s like a mini-boss to go against.

>>58005337
>Terastallization might be some sparkly gay ass shit visually, but at least every single pokemon had access to it.
Defenders of megas would pretend like teras would be no worse even if it was limited to nothing but their 20 least liked pokemon instead of being something every pokemon has access to.