These games are actually pretty good and are over hated desu

>>58010655 (OP)
They're one of the worst gens ever, Platinum included of course

>>58010655 (OP)
>actually pretty good
wrong
>are over hated desu
right

if were not for platinum it would be one of worst Gen

>>58010655 (OP)
you're right but poketards cant think for themselves so they repeat what they think is popular

>>58010655 (OP)
The box cover mons almost made me not get them, 2nd worst gen launchers behind BW. The dex had some nice Pokemon like Luxray and Hippowdon and Drapion but it was in general extremely barren since a ton of the slots went to legends and mythicals (and babies) instead of Fire types. The only way I can replay them is via romhack.

>>58010655 (OP)
I've been having fun with them but they're definitely at the bottom of the first four gens for me.
Story isn't great, it probably has the worst regional dex, the level design is weirdly small and compact, HMs obviously go overboard here and a lot of the extra features feel super undercooked (seriously, the Underground feels so weirdly far removed from the rest of the game)
I can see why 4 has the reputation of being one of the worse gens but at the end of the day it's still fun since it's Pokemon and the core of the game is fun regardless.

>>58010664
This. Platinum made it THE worst gen.

>>58010655 (OP)
remake when

They're okay, they play so slowly compared to Gen3 and there are too many HMs.
Then you remember gen 7 and 8 exist and Gen 4 gets a pass.

>>58010749
that’s retarded

>>58010655 (OP)
>trash pokedex
>excruciatingly slow gameplay
>cringe midi music
>joke-tier elite four, bug, ground, and fire-but-not-really *wheeeeze*
>almost all of the new evos are absolutely disgusting
>beginning of coverage degeneracy where everyone gets all the moves for all their weaknesses
tingtingtingtingting FUCK basednoh FUCK basednohfags FUCK gen4 FUCK those blue nigger penguins FUCK those gay staretardia birds

>>58010655 (OP)
They're better than RS but just like them, they are completely made redundant by their third versions.

>>58010749
Sharty

>>58010655 (OP)
Agreed. Replayed Diamond earlier this year and it’s not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Platinum is still better though

>>58010655 (OP)
I'm having fun with it. Only now I have to go catch Carnivine before the National Pokedex fills the Great Marsh with unnecessary gen 1-3 Pokemon and it becomes harder. Then I gotta catch the Lake Guardians and Rotom, which means I gotta pray that this Bronzong I have can both act first via Quick Claw AND land a Hypnosis so Mesprit will stop fleeing.

Then I can go for everything else. What a hassle.

as far as the sinnoh games go i only ever played platinum. is there a reason to play these even if just for the "never done it before" factor?

Stop, no, you can't let people realize that 95% of what they like about Sinnoh was in these games.
You see, the games are literally unplayable because the surfing speed of the bit of water you go through isn't that fast! And, uh... and there aren't many Fire-types in the first 20 hours of the game! And there are too many Legendaries and this is a bad thing because... well, it just is, okay?! No, I will not apply this standard to other games. No, I will not speak i of Ruby and Sapphire because those Gen III was my first Gen and Emerald was my first game and we, the Pokémon Fandom, have collectively decided the narrative and it doesn't mention Ruby and Sapphire.
We decided that Iwata put Kanto into Gen II.
We decided that Black and White was a massive sales failure and incredibly obscure.
We decided that Masuda can't direct a good game and that Tajiri is entirely responsible for Gold and Silver.
We decided that Crystal is one of the greatest games ever despite being gutted in English and the only deal-breaker is not being able to catch Mareep.

>But Masuda said that Diamond and Pearl were envisioned to be the ultimate Pokémon games befitting of the name Diamond, and
Shut... the fuck... up...

>>58011503
Take your meds.

>>58011502
You can only catch Stunky/Skuntank in Diamond and Glameow/Purugly in Pearl. Clamperl is also available while it isn't in Platinum. The game gives you a bit more freedom in the middle section too. Platinum changed the Gym Leader order to Fantina (3) > Maylene (4) > Crasher Wake (5) to match the order of the cities you visit (Hearthome > Veilstone > Pastoria). They didn't change the badge case order from DP whatsoever so it feels kind of shoddy, AND they added random NPCs blocking the south gate of Hearthome so you have no choice but to go east. DP lets you choose. DP's team for Cynthia is also harder, the movesets and levels were slightly nerfed for Platinum and the movesets were only restored for post-game rematches. I also like what DP did with its National Pokédex encounters more since technically it has more by virtue of not being in the regional Pokédex. They better flesh out the post-game mechanics.

These are the only outright better aspects I can think of, there are probably more, but Platinum is an overall improvement in most ways.

>>58011500
based team
>>58011502
>pokemon ranch compatibility
>some glitches, most exclusive to the japanese versions
>version exclusives
>ace setup
probably not all things considered

>>58011500
>No Carnivine in today's Great Marsh
aaaaUUUUUUUGH, what a pain in the ass.

>>58011810
set the time to 11:58pm and let it roll over to midnight when youre in the game then check again

I love diamond, it was my first game, but I would never recommend it to anyone without a fair few asterisks attached

>>58011528
>pokemon ranch compatibility
The most annoying part about this list?
Platinum is compatible with Ranch.
IN JAPAN.
They ONLY updated it IN JAPAN.

>>58012187
That's the price people had to pay if they were Pokémon fans outside of its native language and country
>No easy way to access events unless you're in New York, and even then not every event carried over (ie. Faraway Island Mew)
>Games came out 6 months to a year later (and that's if you were in North America, some countries waited up to 2 years) for a localization that likely censored or removed certain content (ie. the HGSS Game Corners)
>Different mediums are not working together, the marketing synergy is outright worse (movies, manga, and anime story arcs were timed around Japanese game releases)
>Anime music, much of which was based on the music from the games, is outright replaced
>Tons of worthwhile content just never brought over (Platinum update to Ranch, Mystery Dungeon Wiiware games, Mobile Adapter GB content, Platinum and HGSS' function that let you receive an email notifying you whenever a trade went through on the GTS, FRLG/Emerald/Colosseum e-Reader content, etc.)
It's possible to patch GBA and DS games. You may know how the e-Reader or GameCube games could fix Ruby and Sapphire's RTC bug. Certain bugs for DP were fixed in Japan too. I had NA v1.0 Platinum, and the GTS was bugged so that it wouldn't show the requested level of the Pokémon being asked for. This was never fixed, because why would it be? If you're not Japanese and living in Japan, you're getting scraps.

>>58012223
Okay, but the others are physical problems in the real world, caused by the cost of localization, the cost of updating a new cartridge, or just plain old hardware restrictions.
What's the excuse for not distributing the update to a non-physical product already released to the wider world? The EU internet cables couldn't handle the magnificence of the update? The US internet was just too clogged with cholesterol to distribute an update a fucking Wii channel in 2008? As far as I'm aware, they didn't even change any text in the Ranch.

I'm so glad that my parents managed to talk me out of Pokemon Ranch back in the day. My first non-pirated ROM was Heart Gold and Soul Silver, and I never owned DP.

>>58012239
I owned and still have all five mainline Gen IV games, PBR, and Ranch (also the first Ranger for Manaphy purposes). This would normally seem cool, but I can't help but feel like they're all inferior versions. PBR actually did get more work put into it for the localization, it was rushed out to meet the Wii's launch in Japan, but everything else feels like better versions were released elsewhere. Hurts my perception of a lot of games first made in Japan and released elsewhere. At least now games tend to have parity across languages, the Japanese version is often on the same cart as the other languages, you just have to change your system settings.

>>58012299
I mean, there's only two major changes between localizations. Translations, and bug fixes. As far as I'm aware, there's no other changes to these products. In many cases, the Japanese version IS quite literally the inferior product as a result(unless you're speedrunning, of course.) Sure, the translations may be shit, but that doesn't exactly change with the modern era.
As for the cartridge having every language, yeah it's /cool/, but I don't like what globally synchronized releases have done to the hype cycle. Also, said translations can still absolutely be shit, even with the language for every cartridge. News trickling through from Japan and the Japanese releases used to be huge events for fans which would cause rampant speculation and curiosity, and of course would unite the fans to translate the games themselves before proper release. I know that it's probably better like this for their bottom line or whatever, but I honestly believe that /vp/ and many other Pokemon communities would be a bit healthier if they didn't do globally-synced releases.

Possibly the worst first version, although the performance issues on the Switch titles certainly give it a run for it's money. Japanese DP at least had fun glitches that were easy to do, the international release made it harder. Gen 1 survives on fun glitches and being able to skip the shitty parts, in DP the shitty parts are unfortunately too mandatory. This isn't even getting into how they made some of the optional shit unfun, like honey trees being the worst version of headbutt or making pretty much every part of contests worse. The amy different speed issues are almost certainly a game design decision unless there's something severely wrong behind the scenes that I do not understand, which is honestly the worst fucking part. And that's not even getting in to the game design elements designed to waste your fucking time for no reason. RS did those elements way fucking better, I dunno why DP was so bad at it. Did Kōji Nishino keep falling in to swamps and snow drifts because he's a fat fuck when they were visiting Hokkaido and because he was a map designer at the time he decided that was a good idea for an obstacle?

>>58011821
This didn't work for me the last time I went for Skorupi, I just got hit with the 24-hour ban from time travel and so I stopped. Same happened here. HOWEVER, I checked my Diamond and Pearl carts and found one of them has a Carnivine, so I don't need to worry about it anymore, I can go for the Lake Guardians and Rotom now.

>>58012330
I read everything in 日本語 now anyway, so it's convenient that I don't have to import. I still prefer Japanese packaging though, especially since the backs of cases aren't half warning information sections in 2-3 languages. Looked into getting Donkey Kong for 9500円 (cheaper than what I can get it for here), and importing would have been another 8500円. I also prefer the days when the franchise didn't have global releases. One of the reasons I learned Japanese was so that I could actually play these games in advance, but now all the fun has been taken out of that.

>>58012350
Ruby and Sapphire are easily the worst first versions. There's too much stuff outright missing, and much of the later map design is phoned in. I could put 200+ hours into DP and use all that time to 100% them without even doing open-ended breeding nonsense. Ruby and Sapphire would definitely be less than half that.

>>58012414
>This didn't work for me the last time I went for Skorupi, I just got hit with the 24-hour ban from time travel and so I stopped. Same happened here.
nice that you got carnivine, but the sinnoh safari zone shouldn’t be effected by the time restriction, only the one in hgss. https://sinjohruins.com/Gen+4/Time+Travel+Penalty

i mean in elite 4 round 2 speedruns of platinum which requires seeing every mon in the dex and going to the great marsh, you literally set the clock at the start of the run for the right seed, so there’s no way it should be hit by the time restriction.

>>58012439
>elite 4 round 2 speedruns of platinum
im retarded and forgot this also involves deleting the save lol
anyway i remember changing the clock years ago and it working to change great marsh mons, so not sure

>>58012439
I don't know what to tell you because it's happened multiple times for me now. The Pokemon in the Great Marsh won't change now for me for 24 hours.

>story
3/5. I didn't really care for the legendary escalation where you're going up against things that are more or less god-level, and the evil team didn't really tie into it convincingly in the same way that they did in gen 3.

>character design
4/5. Best FemC, mid MC, almost all of the other designs that weren't Ronald McDonald were very good to great.

>gameplay
2/5. It would be 1/5 if these games didn't introduce the Physical/Special split, which was sorely needed. This game is just a slog to get through.

>music
4/5. Very few standout tracks (Route 212 and the Cynthia themes are the only ones that immediately spring to mind) but much of the music is quietly very good and fits the environment very well.

>setting
3/5. Hokkaido is a cool setting, but I don't know if they leaned into it enough and while there was some offer of branching paths and exploration it's definitely more linear than the regions before it.

>Pokedex
1/5. Possibly the worst base Pokedex in the series. I'm even willing to forgive the lack of Fire types based on the setting, but there is a reason that so many in-game teams end up so samey. It does have amazing starters and the best regional bird, but after that it drops off hard.

Overall I think they are probably the worst non-remake games, but I agree they are overhated.