Where does Pokemon succeed that other monster catchers fail?

being the first, big marketing, nostalgia, the first 151 never will be topped, merchandise, cards etc..

>>58012059 (OP)
appealing creature designs. I feel Digimon would be more popular if 90% of the designs were along the lines of their Rookie and Champion ones

Pokemon's the only one that grasps the idea of "competitive, yet companions." GF tends to give your mons a sense of permanence while other games in the genre tend towards you treating everyone but your endgame team as either disposable, fusion fodder or purely breeding stock for better members.

If modern Pokemon weren't attached to the brand already they'd be massive flops on their own. The brand is safe and was built on a monumentally sturdy foundation so lots of the new mons can be disposable if they aren't hits and become "icons" if they are

The anime did most of the heavy lifting. A combination of simplicity breeding creativity by having the Game Freak staff need to design unique monsters on Gameboy hardware and a genuinely good anime that shilled those monsters to kids. By the time the anime got bad, the games actually improved enough to take over from there and be the main focus for marketing. But really as long as people want a Pikachu toy, Pokemon isn't going fucking anywhere

A big failure of any other monster games is they can't do cute right. It's not just boys you need to appeal to, Pokemon has some of the best cute monsters in the genre. People want merch of those, not just the big tough dragons or action furries. It should be appealing to a normal person, not the "I wanna fuck that" crowd because their standards are extremely fucking low

>>58012063
digicope
>>58012065
this

>>58012059 (OP)
When I was 12 we got the digimon movie on dvd for like $10 and I remember liking it even though it was confusing as fuck but it made me interested in the digimon fusion show that was about to start airing on the 4kids channel and then I tried to play one of the games and it eas dogshit. I'm 24 now and the only time I think about digimon is when someone posts gooner art of the monsters

>>58012197
Angela Anaconda stays winning

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>>58012059 (OP)
Branding. It has nothing else going for it nowadays.

>>58012197
God Damn I want to fuck a Digimon

>>58012059 (OP)
Cute girls

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>>58012075
These two, + why the fuck does every big creature collecting franchise think it’s a good idea to make literal recolors into separate designs? Digimon does this, SMT does this, Yo-Kai abuses the shit out of it (dear god the Jibanyans), it only adds to that disposable feeling and really cheapens the feeling of finding new creatures. At least when Pokémon started doing it they added new aspects to the creatures, until Paldean Tauros, but at least that had two other forms that vaguely compensated for the dogshit pure-Fighting variant, it is extremely baffling to me that no other franchise has even thought to do something as simple as keep the recolors variants of their originals or add several small details that differentiate them.

>>58012059 (OP)
Appealing designs and actually being fun or at the very least tolerable to play

Character design.
Digimon designs are too edgy. Generally not something that a parent would buy for their kid on Christmas. They openly appeal to gooners and adults fans who grew up in the 90s/2000s. Naturally limiting the audience. Plus the evo lines don't make sense half the time, and the games aren't always clear about how to get the "optimal" path.

>>58012357
you think 4chan would love a black bull Pokemon

>>58012424
If it was accompanied by a big titted cow one, but GF always go one step forward, ten back.
Hell, even P. Tauros is kinda shit, so he is not even a bull. More like a broken buck.

>>58012197
>are ya winnin son?

>>58012237
I feel the boy who got his parents divorced because they watched the Digimon movie could say the contrary.

>>58012059 (OP)
>Monster Rancher
These ones in particular look either boring or hideous

>>58012059 (OP)
Pokemon has a more widely appealing concept than other monster taming series. Its casts a wide net. It's like 'theres an app for that' depending on what your looking for you can find it in pokemon. Its like how you can point to a pokemon and say 'digimon design' but you can never point to a digimon and say 'pokemon design'. Pokemon can provide what digimon does and more, but digimon only provides digimon. Its why the fandom is so divisive, because it appeals to many different people who butt heads with what they want pokemon to be. Here's some examples.

Digimon is all about cool battle monsters. There is little appeal in digimon beyond that. Pokemon does cool and more.

Yokai Watch is heavy on the cute and silly, it rarely goes heavy on cool. Pokemon has that and more.

SMT is at it's core a horror series based on mythology. It's spooky and grand with battles for the human soul and godlike power. Pokemon does scary and grand.

Pokemon has designs that provide the same appeal as all their biggest competitors who tend to focus on very specific aesthetics. Pokemon does everything that SMT, Digimon, and Yokai Watch combined.

>>58012059 (OP)
Consistent monster designs
Appealing to autists with competitive play
Fuckeable bitches

>>58013255
Yeah, love Monster Rancher but it's a very specific appeal gampelay wise in being a 'sports coach' simulator. You only train 1 monster at a time by dictating it's schedule week to week, doing your best to win competitions before it becomes too old to keep competing. Also every monster (at least in the original) has a subbreed for 'breeding' with every other monster so the designs are very simple. There are few actual monster designs with a lot of recolors since its less about collecting them and more about focusing on a single monster. I love that but it's niche.

>>58012075
This. Imagine you're playing Gale of Darkness back in 2005 and you like your starter Eevee, that you evolved into an Espeon. You can trade it to your copy of Sapphire and go on another adventure with it. Then trade it to LeafGreen and do the same. Then when DP came out, you can use the Pal Park to transfer it up to the new game. And then trade it to HGSS and let it walk behind you. BW releases, your Espeon can transfer up there. And then to BW2. From there it can go to Bank, then to XY. And back to Hoenn via ORAS. Then to a tropical vacation with SM, and then USUM. Finally, it can take the long journey to the Switch via Home, where it can go to Galar, Hisui, and Paldea. And soon back to Kalos.

All for just one Pokemon. The franchise's connectivity is not to be underestimated.

pure nostalgia brand loyalty and merchandise because pokemon actually is in the bottom of barrel trash,
dogshit games, dogshit anime, dogshit designs,dogshit graphics, even the tcg gameplay is fucking bad

>>58012357
Ok but to be fair Digimon and Monster Rancher kinda need to do it, otherwise there would be way less digi-volution lines/monsters to raise.

>>58012059 (OP)
Lawsuits

>>58013537
>Digimon is all about cool battle monsters.
And gooner bait, they have that too.

>>58012059 (OP)
Up until recently, no recolors. Every pokemon was unique. Menawhile you'd get something like Digimon where it'd have like Firemon and then they'd shift the colors and now BlueFiremon was a whole unique monster.

>>58015088
>gooner bait
Every mon series has gooner bait, Digimon is just the least ashamed of it. Or do you think the playboy bunny, the dominatrix berry, and the life sized gardevoir plushie are all just accidents? Monster Rancher has pixies, a category of monster girl that is just women in furry bikinis. Shin Megami Tensei is all in on the exploring sexuality of mythology (and straight up had an intended to be sexy rape scene in the original story). Yokai watch has that cyclops attempting to seduce you with her cleavage.

Do NOT get me started on Robopon.

How does Digimon's battle system work?

>>58015119
I think that depends on the game because the series is schizophrenic and doesn't know what it wants to be
I've only actually played through Cyber Sluts though and the combat was pretty basic JRPG weakness stuff from what I remember

>>58014247
This is true in Monster Rancher's case as recolors are part of the games mechanics. Every monster has a purebreed form, and then a recolor subbreed for every other breed out there (meaning two different purebreeds could produce two different subbreeds, one with the base of either parent). Some of the subbreeds also made P.Tauros level model edits (Pixie Subbreeds have wings, Suezo subbreeds only have one eye, Tiger subbreeds have horns...) and some special unique subbreeds had big changes to their models (the magician pixie having a full on outfit off the top of my head).

Digimon originally created recolors for Digimon World 1 as a way to tell you which digimon were unimportant fodder. Every recruitable npc or raisable digimon is the regular color/species, and every odd color one was just a wandering enemy to fight. Digimon did not use recolors originally to pad the roster, it was to help guide gameplay. You fight all these green worms, but suddenly you see a yellow worm and you know that one is not just a random enemy to fight. It wasn't until way later that they realized they had a ton of recolors laying around so they decided to make them actually playable in the games to help fill out evolution trees that were lacking in variety.

>>58015119
Hahahahahahaha... You fool.

Original Vpets: Auto battle, highest stats win.

World 1: Auto battle, the stats you've raised effect its actions during battle.

World 2: Classic party based RPG battle (with mystery dungeon exploration outside of battle)

World 3: 1v1 RPG battles where you can switch your fighter like pokemon.

World 4: Gauntlet Legends style action beat em up.

Story series: Classic party based RPGs.

Anode/Cathode: Strategy games??? Who the hell knows.

>>58012573
Wait what?

pokemon is like ICE they gotta catch em all

>>58015186
I don't have the screencap, but basically a dude HATES Angela Anaconda.
His parents were already on bad terms, but they said "you know what? Let's be neutral and have a family day. For our kid."
The family watches the movie, and everything is fine. But then the movie cuts mid show, the Angela Anaconda short happens, and everything went south from there.
The show was loud, the characters obnoxious, and the artstyle was just ugly. Kids cry, families are annoyed, and his parents start to fight again.
They leave the cinema angry, he drops the popcorn on accident, another discussion on the road back home. A few days later: "son, we are separating."

>>58015186
Angelamon is the real villain of digimon

>>58015110
>Do NOT get me started on Robopon
Really? Fucking Robopon has sexy bots? Out of all franchises: Robopon?
I mean, I could expect that from Medabots, but Robopon?

>>58015231
Have some official art.

>>58012063
I think this is what some people don't think enough about. Yes, unlike Digimon, Pokemon's games were more consistent in quality and how they played. Also, yes, due to being turnbased, and simple to follow, someone that could be considered genuinely mentally retarded or physically disabled could play Pokemon. However, part of the success, like Harry Potter, was coming out at the right place, at the right time. If pokemon came out for the first time today, it's popularity would be somewhere around Splatoon or Smash Bros.
>t. had autism for pokemon as a kid

>>58015246
Woah, nice. I would, but set that eye slider lower.

>>58012059 (OP)
1. monster designs: i don't even have to say anything here
2. theme: very important because pokemon is sports-themed even though most people who play pokemon don't even realize it, every single generation is themed around sports
3. merchandise: majority of the profits come from this

>>58015268
Have best girl.

>>58015356
I will now play your game. If I played a mini RPG game for the SNES due to the Palworld shitpost, I can play a Pokémon copy for the GBC just for gazongas.
For those curious: it was Robotrek. The game is fine, but the music is kind of mid.

>>58015369
The sequal for the gba is where that design is from. She is less booba in the original.

>>58015311
>every single generation is themed around sports
Bold of you to spew such drivel in a thread revolving partly around Monster Rancher.

>>58016226
Both Monster Rancher and Pokemon are both series where monster battling is a sport.

>>58013563
If only Dexit never happened. We could have had it all.

>>58015956
Even better. mGBA is my favorite emulator, so another game to my library is great.

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>>58016946
Poor dude. And fuck Angela, her show wasn't even that good.
But then again, is Nickelodeon. If they are forcing a series to keep going so they can rip off pedos from their money, they would obviously force a crappy show in hopes they get their investement returned.

>>58015119
>he didn't bring a piercing or fixed damage move to the Eater fight
OH NO NO NO

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>>58017182
Wait, I'm retarded, Gargomon is right there. How are you losing, anon?