are they right, /vp/?

>>58014732 (OP)
The anime is retarded

>>58014732 (OP)
The anime is kino

>>58014732 (OP)
Is this DARVO?

>>58014732 (OP)
This idea was retconned to Pokemon adopting the mindset of their trainers. If their trainer is bad they'll become bad. And some pokemon are just assholes to begin with.

>>58014732 (OP)
Yes. They did nothing wrong

>>58014732 (OP)
>I was just following orders!
No excuse, you're still a nazi, Ekans

>>58014732 (OP)
No.
They would be right if Pokemon were unintelligent animals that just blindly followed their masters, however:
>they understand what it means to be villainous
>they are capable of discussing these things
>Meowth can speak
>Pokemon often disobey their masters, they have their own agency
Ekans and Koffing just aren't comfortable with what they do so they make up some cope about how they just follow orders.

>>58014767
I'm not sure they were right even when this episode released. Wasn't this during the Johto arc, post Charizard? Charizard was EVERYTHING that Ash wasn't... which kind of was a massive problem for him.

that malamar do be evil doe

>>58014732 (OP)
Is there a problem with this line just being Ekans' opinion?

>>58015406
Some people are taking it as a general fact for some reason. Meowth himself proves Ekans wrong, Meowth is a wild Pokemon and deliberately chose to be villainous.

>>58015470
Me personally I take it not as proof that a Pokemon can't be villainous of their own volition, but that even very basic "Just X animal" Pokemon have higher reasoning not just in Mystery Dungeon, but in main sequence Pokemon as well. Faulty reasoning, sure, but definitely human-level sentience on display.

>>58015497
That's probably more true in the anime than the games, where sapience is restricted to certain Pokemon, notably legendaries. The Lake Guardians are almost certainly sapient, Arceus is absolutely sapient, Lapras is noted to understand human speech, Zoroark is absolutely sapient, and so on.

>>58014732 (OP)
>Hydreigon as he dracos another village for no reason

>>58015359
Charizard was being the Pokemon equivalent of a rebellious teenager. If he really hated Ash he would have just left.
Pokeballs aren’t prisons.

>>58015359
this is right after the SS Anne or St. Anne

>>58015359
This is barely one of the very first episodes ever, dumbass. Like first 15 episodes or so. Stop saying shit.

>>58016255
Really? I watched the show up to some point around episode 26 when I was younger and I don't recall this one. I recall the Sabrina fight, the bug catcher samurai, jelly donuts, the Anne sinking, the gym with Misty's sisters... but not this. Huh.

>>58015943
Actually, is this the giant Pokemon episode? I looked at an episode list and didn't recognize that one.

>>58015938
I didn't say it hated him, just that it was a polar opposite in personality.

>>58015293
>I'm not the one who locked the doors!
nice try Koffing

why couldn't they let jessie and james reunite with arbok and weezing at the end of the series?

>>58015293
>>58016690
Underrated.

>>58015305
Ironically, only in anime.
Game Pokémon are not supposed to have human-level intellect aside from the few exceptions that have their high intelligence stated.
That’s the whole reason why Pokémon can only know 4 moves at a time. They can learn tricks and commands, they can’t actually understand what to iate sayin or follow complicated orders like in the anime (like pikachu can’t follow “go behind him, make him trip with your tail then hit him between his eyes” any better than a dog would).

>>58015359
this was very early on in the anime when it was still having an identity crisis

It makes sense for Koffing and Ekans to have this mindset because Jessie and James were always anti-heros at heart; lawful evil at worst.

>>58014732 (OP)
No. Typedo didn't have a master and still commited heinous crimes.