I have a theory that they're starting to regret cutting megas because they'll shill it in everything else like the anime because people like them so much. This explains the big question of "why did they skip the gen 5 remakes", its because they wanted to make a game focused around mega evolution to see how people feel about it. If this goes well, they might make it a main-stay feature and start adding new megas per gen.

Of all the gimmicks, this was really the only one that stuck. They thought they should just cycle through new gimmicks because they thought that was the only way to get people hyped enough to buy the new games but while z-moves were received well, it wasn't as cool as megas to the people, gigantamax were just knockoff megas with strict limitations on when you could use it so those were a bust, and terastalization was good for competitive I guess but your average player wouldn't really care. Nothing was ever good enough compared to megas which people have just not let go even all these years later.

nice try dipshit, now fuck off

nope. they don't have the balls

>>58016783
hehehe.... nice////

>>58016771 (OP)
It’s the gimmick where mega evolutions can have boosted stats, a possible new ability and typing all in one.

fake and gay

>>58016771 (OP)
As you touched on, Megas never really ever went away. They still used in merchandise such as plushies. The TCG never let them go. A lot of spin-off games made use of them like Mystery Dungeon. The anime, as you brought up, keeps using them well past their main game presence. Let's Go used them and GO has been using them for a long while now. The main series games more or less are the weird one out of the picture.

The marketing cycle right now is featuring Megas so much and so hard I'm almost convinced they're bring brought back for Gen 10.
There's no way they're spending this much money for just one single year of marketing. I mean, just look at the TCG. They're in it for the long-haul.

Just by virtue of Megas being in Champions means they'll stick around.

>>58016771 (OP)
I think they're going to stick with Megas because they're basically creating some of most popular Pokémon and throwing them away by not bringing them to core games.
>This explains the big question of "why did they skip the gen 5 remakes"
My reasoning is a bit different but still similar in other point to yours. I think that they decided to create a Gen 6 game over a Gen 5 game because megas are way easier to market since they're a relatively small group of Pokémon with high popularity on average and are tied to a battle mechanic that has been absent from core games and TCG for a while. Creating a new Gen 5 game would be more of the same, as in there would still be the same Pokémon that already regularly appears in games and no unique feature to put hard focus on (not to say there isn't any unique feature in Gen 5 games, things like Wonder Launcher and Entralink exist but they're not popular enough to market and aren't tied to any Pokémon species that can't exist without it). I think Gamefreak already knows that Megas are a hot topic and this is why they decided to market them so hard for their first Switch 2 title. I also want to believe they're going to stick with them for games moving forward or maybe at least Gen 10.

>>58016771 (OP)
>Nothing was ever good enough compared to megas which people have just not let go even all these years later.
It's the lack of permanency, really. Megas are the only gimmick that both significantly changes a Pokemon's design and that you can use basically whenever you want, making them more on-par with Alternate Forms like Giratina Origin or Kyurem Black/White as far as being a part of your team is concerned
>Z-Moves are super nukes that, outside of some Pokemon-specific flourishes, have no personality
>Dynamax/Gigantimax are mostly just "Pokemon but bigger" and are exclusive to specific areas, making them much less personable than Megas
>Terastal is just temporarily putting a funny hat on your Pokemon based on its type, which is kind of stupid looking and makes it very impersonal. This is further compounded by the lack of unique Terastal forms, with Ogrepon and Terapagos being the only ones to get one
Hell, this even extends to stuff like the anime. You can have Mega Pokemon around as separate characters with their own distinct personalities, whereas you can't with Gigantimax or Terastal forms

I wonder if they will retcon Megas as your Pokemon being VERY ANGRY if they do return beyond Z-A. Just read some of their dex descriptions.

>>58016942
It'll probably be explained away as that Pokemon DO undergo intense anger and suffering when Mega Evolved, but that's only if the Pokemon and their trainer don't have a strong enough bond. If they do, they'll be able to ease that pain and fight better as a result

Either that or Alolans just suck at using Mega Evolution so their perspective on it is warped, especially since they have access to Z-Moves which they're much more familiar with

>>58016771 (OP)
>Nothing was ever good enough compared to megas

>>58016963
>goofy dance
>inflation fetish
>sissy tiara
>recolored cousin that only exists to replace the original
even the worst mega is better than any of that crapola.

>>58016928
Dynamax was an overpowered mechanic for the games but the sad thing is that since they're oversized as their signature feature you can't just use them anywhere. It creatively limits the mechanic so much.

>>58016967
>Insisting on bringing this garbage back because everything that spawned from it has also sucked
You know there's a much easier solution here; not bringing any of them back.

>>58016942
The newest Mega Evolution website references the dark dex entries

>>58016977
>everything that spawned from it has also sucked
Weird to think about it, but yeah, I guess megas changed the game from “check out these new pokemon” to “check out what new things these old pokemon can do!”
Are we ever going to get a pokemon game that just refines the core experience rather than haphazardly stapling something new on top again?

>>58016963
Mega Latios and Mega Latias are so sad. They're just the exact same design with different colored eyes. They were functionally worse than Soul Dew in gen 6 so GF nerfed Soul Dew into dogshit come gen 7. Gen 8 comes around and removes megas, but keeps the nerfed version of Soul Dew so now they have nothing. They should have just made SOUL DEW their mega stone.

If they did start making new megas every gen like how they regularly make new regional forms, that could help fix the problem that they like to give already strong pokemon megas.
I'm much more interested in seeing shitmons become viable like Mawile, not pseudo legendaries getting even stronger.
According to the ZA leaks it does look like they're mainly giving megas to non-powerful pokemon though the gen 1 bias really does get tiring. At least they're making up for gen 5 having one singular mega

>>58016771 (OP)
Nope. Not even in Champions will Megas remain a consistent fixture, because its rotational nature wants to make sure there's a consistently fresh mix and match of gimmicks so players keep coming back for more, compared to how quickly metas on the mainline games turn stale and copypasted since they can be "solved" so easily with overpowered DLC mons or BST minmaxed anomalies like UBs and Paradoxes who aren't Legendary, thus meaning you can cram your team full with as many as you want.
The mainline games will continue to be a constant revolving door of gimmicks because you fundamentally fail to understand that the reason they do this is so that each generation of children feels like their first Pokemon game is "special" and "just for them," because their mainline game is the only one where Pokemon can use that gimmick.
The Pokemon alone aren't enough to emphasize that "uniqueness" attribute anymore because each Dex has to pack around 400-700 mons on average, so naturally there's going to be a lot of overlap, especially with near-guaranteed recurring faces like Pikachu, Eevee, Gengar, Psyduck, Magnemite, Lucario, the psuedos, and pretty much any mon that has an ability for setting Terrain/Weather to ensure that the niche doesn't completely disappear from the VGC metagame of that generation.

Inb4 gen 10 gimmick is that every gimmick is here.

I'll never understand why they decided to drop Megas. It's an evergreen concept that keeps feeding in itself and covers all the possible bases.
Even from a souless suit perspective it's dumb to drop them because even a suit can see how the concept can ever be infinitely expanded into merch and merch and even more merch. Truly baffles the mind.

>>58017052
>souless suit perspective
Souless suit perspective is pretty simple
>Add gimmick in XY
>Big hype
>We gotta try this again!

>Add gimmick in SuMo
>No one cares
>Must've been that the old gimmick is still here, took the spot light. Lets try it again without that

>Add gimmick in SS, this time removing the old gimmicks
>No one cares
>Must've been the poor balance of the gimmick, people care a lot about the competitiveness of our games now. Lets try again but with some focus on how it behaves competitively

>Add gimmick in SV, this time making sure it's a balanced option that offers unique options mid combat.
>No one cares

Think they now realize that they can't just make a 2nd new gimmick wave hype. Megas were the first gimmick, so it's the only one people are gonna care about.

>>58017052
I don't even think it's the fault of SwSh removing them entirely, they were essentially removed by SM where there weren't any new ones and they were just ingloriously thrown at you at the end of the game.
Prior to SM, everyone was imagining what new megas we'd get as we all thought it was just going to be a staple feature now and it was pretty disappointing when it turned out we got nothing.

>>58017081
>Prior to SM, everyone was imagining what new megas we'd get as we all thought it was just going to be a staple feature now and it was pretty disappointing when it turned out we got nothing.
I remember some really stupid videos from that like era like "EVERY POKÉMON IS GOING TO HAVE A MEGA" and other retarded theoryposting. But having no new Megas was really the stupidest decision before removing them outright.

>>58017076
People also don't care for a new gimmick when they know it's being removed the next gen anyway. They should either have picked one of those and turn it into a series staple (for better or for worse) or just stop wanting to give every generation its own "reason why people would want to replay the old gens because it's tied to that specific generation".

>>58017081
Yeah, seriously.
It's really easy to forget but back then no one thought of Megas as a "gimmick".
It was plain an simple a brand new addition and facet of the franchise, and basic logic tells you that someday sometime X mon and Y mon will get a Mega too.
It's an endless hype machine.
This is why universal gimmicks are ass. If everyone's super then no one is.

>>58017076
Suits don't think that way. They're not gonna risk a new thing when the current thing is already proven been to be successful.
Basic logic suit is if THING is successful then DOUBLE DOWN on the THING and shove it down people's throats until they get sick of it.
I understand where you're coming from, but your example has risk, and that's the thing suits are the most adverse towards.

I remember XY and ORAS slightly feeling like Brawl.

>>58016771 (OP)
I think logically they should get to stay in the main series permanently because they were "new" Pokemon. Mega Banette was a Banette evolution, like the counterpart to Dusknoir. If Banette is in the game then it should also be able to mega too. Something like Dusknoir gets to keep it's final evo but Banette doesn't feels wrong. These designs were new Pokemon besides dex number.

If every Pokémon has a Mega, then no Pokémon has a Mega.

>>58017288
>no Pokémon has a Mega.
You say that like its a bad thing

>>58017288
Just give them ANOTHER Mega lol. Already happened in the first round itself.
And then give them ANOTHER Mega except it's called an Agem and its tied-up to the new Region culture, so you can add a new toy to activate it at that too, but functionally it's still just a Mega.

>>58017288
There are 531 pokemon lines and 46 of them have a mega.
I think we'll be fine for a while

>>58017342
Yea there's 46 and not all of them are gonna be in a regional dex all at once anyway. Not all the starters and legendries for sure. If Deoxys and Kyurem get their forms whenever they are included in a game the pokes with megas should too. You can also just not allow them on ladder until you want to if they care about format power level..

>>58017288
Only one can transform in battle.

>XYgotes misread the series once again
L: Z-A's its own separate thing to the rest of Gen 9, they already announced Champions will support megashit for povvos when it launches and outside EVERY gimmick returning for Gen 10, I highly doubt they're going to turn around and re-add something to the VGC games that they already stated they were removing as part of Dexit. Game Freak care about getting the NEXT generation of kids hooked on their drug, they already know the older, experienced people will either stick or twist. They accept that, that's why they don't bother TRYING to keep spergy fuckers interested.

>>58017396
>no megas for any kalos pokemon
Good. A pokemon shouldn't be designed with a gimmick in mind because if something ever happened to that gimmick they'd be incomplete. Only that's exactly what happened with gigantamax and they've had to play damage control with pokemon like archaludon and hydrapple

>>58017288
>If every Pokémon has a Mega
Not Flygon.

>>58017424
>A pokemon shouldn't be designed with a gimmick in mind because if something ever happened to that gimmick they'd be incomplete.
It's even funnier how they did the same thing even worse with the legendary Terapagos. It's going to lose 100 base stat for all future games lmao.

>>58017052
>It's an evergreen concept
The concept is just being a digimon rip off

>>58017708
>the only Pokémon gimmick that had any fans at all was stolen from Digimon
Grim

>>58017665
Good riddance, Stellar Terapagos only exists because competitive crap that is only relevant in this generation.

>>58016988
>Are we ever going to get a pokemon game that just refines the core experience rather than haphazardly stapling something new on top again?
Legends Z-A coming this October on Nintendo Switch 1 and 2.

I hate that many potential 3rd evolutions were wasted on megas

I hope they release more art on this style for new megas

I wish we could make some megas permanent. Some Pokemon REALLY need the buff.

>>58016771 (OP)
Yeah GF really wants to bring back a gimmick that requires them constant effort to implement in each new game, they're such hard workers

>>58016771 (OP)
Doubt it, GameFreak are retardedly adamant about their "asymmetrical game design" so they'll keep cutting beloved features to add shitty bloat that nobody asked for

>>58020350
They should just create a mega stonite or something like that to avoid the 20+ different mega evolution stones.

>>58016771 (OP)
Megas should come back and stick around. They could definitely use some more balancing too, like maybe instead of instantly being able to mega evolve you have to charge the mega bracelet by dealing X amount of damage first or something like that. Or make the megastones vulnerable to knock off or trick. There's too many cool mega designs that deserve to be a part of the main series like Mawile, Absol, Kangaskhan.

>>58016988
the core experience peaked with sinnoh and unova, they know they can't beat that.
modern pokemon's problems run deeper than the overreliance on gimmicks and nostalgia.

>>58016771 (OP)
This is the same company that cut the dex because making all the pokémon models is too much for them, if they have an excuse to shove a subset of pokémon into the closet of irrelevancy they're going to do it

>>58020429
Sorry but core experience peaked with PSS

>>58020479
>multiplayer
>core experience

>>58020510
https://youtu.be/6lBqaQuKAVQ?si=cML-C2U7zmi0Q2Ut

>>58020522
>needing to buy a separate cable to use the feature
doesn't seem very core to me

>>58020629
Jewish tactics are very core within Nintendo doebeit