What's the point of berries if the game is super easy? Is this really all it has to offer?

>>58017090 (OP)
What's the point of catching Pokemon if you can just win with what you're gifted? The game is super easy after all.

>>58017090 (OP)
>campaignshitter screeching about XY doesn't know what PvP or battle facilities are
checks out

I remember I used to farm Berries nearly every day during gen 6. I didn't even really actually use them much, I just liked to do it.

>>58017090 (OP)
>playing BW
>want to play subway
>accidentally put to much special defense evs on my excadrill
>literally nowhere in the game you can get ev reducing berries or renew them with farming
XY saved the series after the blatantly unfished rushjob that was BW

>>58017099
>XY
>Battle Facilities
pick one.

Why are you fags playing battle facilities from outdated and irrelevant games instead of playing Showdown or PVP on the latest game? You can cheese every single facility effortlessly because the AI is inherently exploitable due to having no human intelligence behind it.

>>58017090 (OP)
>>58017114
>not playing battle maison
>not playing online battles
kys tourist

>>58017137
>complains about playing "old" games
>"why don't you play fanfic meta instead?!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

>>58017141
I only play randbats, though, which is the objective most fun PVP format in all of Pokemon because it requires genuine strategy to succeed due to both players getting random teams, instead of relying on copypasted meta teams that have a high winrate against other copypasted meta teams.

>>58017137
>playing with smoggies and owning a shitch2
no thx my battle tower buddies are all i need

>>58017137
>PLEASE GROW BERRIES IN THE NEWEST POKEMON ENHANCED VERSION FOR THE SWITCH 2 (two)™
hmm... no I think I'll play bw. you can't grow berries in that one, just like the original games before the series lost its way.

>>58017105
yeah xy saved the series from being too good
now it's eternal dogshit, just what the shills wanted

>>58017105
>>literally nowhere in the game you can get ev reducing berries or renew them with farming
use Join Avenue

>>58017414
cool how do I get there in BW

>>58017414
How do I use Join Avenue, a location that didn't exist until B2W2, in BW?

>>58017440
>>58017441
you git gud

>>58017090 (OP)
I prefer buying berries myself, though farming has a certain charm.

>>58017441
You don't? Were you reading?

>>58017440
>>58017441
Trade to B2W2

>>58017090 (OP)
The point is to get you to play the game more by wasting days growing berries

>>58017090 (OP)
If they ever reintroduce berries I hope they do something interesting and allow you to create different types of berries based off different berry combos you plant next to each other, it'd make planting them more dynamic.

>>58017090 (OP)
To make juice and not have to rely on Big Silph Co.

>>58017090 (OP)
so they're renewable for online battles and battle facilities
except because of planned obsolescence you can only do the latter now without modding

>>58017090 (OP)
free en route recovery

>>58017090 (OP)
>Always plant berries in my runs
>Never actually use any berries
Fuck berries. I feel obligated to plant them but it's just a waste of time.

>>58017604
Then just program them to be non-consumable held items with a once-per-battle limit (in fact do it with all the consumable held items). Otherwise there is zero reason to use any of the cool stuff (or even the basic berries) in single-player because you can't get any more without tedious grinding. No I am not going to spend 24 real world hours just to grow two berries. Fuck you.

>>58017604
>planned obsolescence
Come on, they took down their servers, the games themselves still function and all you have to do is configure it to use the community run servers. The guide and tools to do so are freely available and its well within the average user's ability. They gave us a year's warning. That's perfectly reasonable, no company maintains a free service indefinitely and making thing work differently from how it was originally designed is always going to take some legwork to set up.

Planned obsolescence would be if the console had a circuit designed to burn itself out after a certain amount of playtime forcing you to buy a new one. Unreasonable end of service would be shutting it down without warning, the game ceasing to function without their servers specifically, or (actually likely to happen) they went out of their way to take down community run replacement servers. Nintendo does a lot of greedy shit but this ain't it.

>>58017100
Me too, my little farm was thriving. It annoys me how berries (among many things) have increasingly become lootboxes since gen 7, like now if I want a stupid amount of Pomeg berries I either have to run around for hours picking shit up off the floor randomly, or hope that one of the auctions is those berries. In the past you could dedicate a minute to it per day and in a couple of days you'd have hundreds for no effort. I get it could be annoying to wait if you want it with some immediacy but surely there's a better way to do that. You could have some system where you leave a Pokémon there and maybe if it has the Harvest ability it'll grow as soon as you exit and enter the area, or at least speed it up. The current system is just way too random.

>>58017153
>objective most fun
Fun is subjective. You really just dont get it, do you?

Farming berries is comfy, and the rare berries were good hold items. I don't know if people still use them today.

>>58018152
uh no
reasonable game design does not belong anywhere near pokemon because
it just shouldn't, okay?

>>58018398
Pokemon is actually a perfect example to use for the Stop Killing Games movement.
Not only does every game with shut down servers still support LAN connectivity but the game even offers an offline alternative to the online gameplay experience through the battle facilities.
That's all they really need to do.

>>58017105
>HEYFORGET ABOUT ALL THE WAYS TO GET BERRIES INSTANTLY, I WANT TO FARM THEM MYSELF AND WASTE SEVERAL DAYS OF MY LIFE
berries were always a cudgel to shit on BW for no reason. No one actually likes farming those little fuckers anyway

>>58019632
>ALL THE WAYS TO GET BERRIES INSTANTLY,
where

>>58019636
Just fucking buy them or get them from pokemon and NPCs. Why do you want me to sit there and farm forever for items I can get much faster instead?

>>58019165
>Have to wait real time hours, sometime days for berries to grow
>Oops, you waited too long, now you lost your berries
>Comfy
Nah, it's tedious as most but not comfy

>>58019644
>Just fucking buy them or get them from pokemon and NPCs
where

>>58019656
What do you mean where? Many NPCs just give them to you or sell them. They're also items on the ground.

>>58019663
Name an NPC that sells Enigma or Custap berries. I'll wait

>>58017090 (OP)
Still making this thread, eh mindbroken berryfag?

>>58019683
>I can't get these two specific berries though
You're not mad about the lack of farming then. You're mad about the inability to obtain every berry, which is the case in other games too.

the only game that did berry farming right was gen 7 because you just planted your berries in pokepelago and then just let your pokemon take care of watering and shit, hell you could even speed up the waiting process with beans, having to constantly go back to a singular place to take care of berries is absolute dogshit design, I got places to be

>>58017105
just use the dreamworld 5head

>>58019700
>You're not mad about the lack of farming then. You're mad about the inability to berry farm

>>58019632
dexit was always a cudgel to shit on SS for no reason. No one actually likes Stantler anyway

>>58019871
DP can berry farm yet can't obtain every single berry. If BW couldn't berry farm, but had every berry obtainable via NPCs, nothing would be wrong with that. That's how I know you only use farming as an issue to hate a game instead of actually liking the feature.

>>58017414
Join Avenue isn't in BW, but trading for berries from BW2 is an acceptable in-gen solution, where you can then just duplicate. There's a mentality that trading is somehow taboo in this series when it's a core feature since RBY.
>>58019901
I'm calling bullshit. Berry farming can functionally be replaced where you can still get berries, just without waiting.
Dexit has been loathed MUCH more for several reasons. First of all, many people are consistent and hate every game since LGPE for being dexited. Others only hate it when pokemon they like aren't there. No matter how you cut it, it's a factual downgrade from having all pokemon available. Pokemon fans just like pokemon, so it isn't unreasonable they might not like a game that started excluding the pokmemon they love, coming from previous gens that used to always let them use any pokemon they wanted, including their favorites.
The only acceptable rationale for it is the effort argument. That they just "had" to recreate everything every gen and there was too much to recreate to meet some sort of high stanrad, which trust me isn't a valid excuse for most games since the dexcut givn the results we're mostly seen.
Lastly, there are people like you who simplify it to "muh stantler" when it's always hundreds of pokemon from across the range of popularity. These aren't to be taken seriously.

>>58019901
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>58019931
>DP can berry farm yet can't obtain every single berry
In XY I can berry farm yet can obtain every single berry by berry farming. Sounds like BW is just a shitty game.

>>58019962
I'm calling bullshit. Dexit can functionally be replaced where you can still get Pokemon that do the same thing as Stantler, just without waiting. Berry farming being cut has been loathed MUCH more for several reasons. First of all, many people are consistent and hate every game since BW which doesn't have berry farming. Others only hate it when berries they like aren't there. No matter how you cut it, it's a factual downgrade from having berry farming available. Pokemon fans just like berries, so it isn't unreasonable they might not like a game that started excluding the features they love, coming from previous gens that used to always let them farm berries, including their favorites. The only acceptable rationale for it is the effort argument. That they just "had" to recreate everything every gen and there was too much to recreate to meet some sort of high stanrad, which trust me isn't a valid excuse for BW given how low effort the rest of the game is. Lastly, there are people like you who simplify it to "muh just buy from NPCs" when it's always hundreds of berries that are needed for the game. These aren't to be taken seriously.

>objectively good feature
>objectively good feature happens to not exist in gen 5
>"ummm actually the objectively good feature isn't objectively good actually"
every time

>>58019988
meanwhile gen 5 fans will praise pointless inconsequential shit like the music being slightly different when you walk and pretend it’s the best thing ever kek

Berry farming was fine in the games where you got decent amounts of them per tree. Fuck RS and its "water the berry every 6 hours for one full day to get 1 berry out of it" horseshit.

>>58019987
>deflects from DP to XY again
So you don't care about farming, but rather obtainable every type of berry. Can you just admit that out of the gate?
>all that reposting
Dexit cannot functionally be replaced because those pokemon are UNAVAILABLE. Berries can just be obtained in other ways, unless you're complaining about a "berrycut", not lack of farming specifically.
Wdym "without waiting" in relation to stantler?
dexcut is objectively more loathed than the dexcut.
"people hate every game without farming"; yeah and they're stupid for playing a pokemon game for the farming and wasting time, as opposed to wanting to catch pokemon where dexcut makes that impossible for many pokemon
saying people hate it "when berries they like aren't there" is an obvious replacement of what i said and doesn't make sense.
Also it isn't a factual downgrade because berry farming is just about the worst method to get berries in any pokemon game because it takes the longest for no reason.
Saying "pokemon fans love berries" isn't an argument because 1) the equivalence between them liking pokemon just isn't there, and 2) you're arguing for there to be farming specifically. Berries themselves weren't removed.
You also reposted everything I said about recreating pokemon models taking effort, but that makes no sense when you reposted it for your argument.
Your last point is also retarded. A call to get berries in a quicker way is 100% justified. Farming takes way too long compared to EVERY other way to get a berry in a pokemon game. Of course they had to improve this system. XY reverted it to shit sadly

>>58019988
I missed the part where waiting to get basic items is somehow an "objectively good feature". It's a terrible idea and it's objectively good that Unova axed it and tried to revamp the system with Join Avenue.
>>58019993
The game being atmospheric is a million times better than an intentionally slow way to get a fucking berry when they could have just made them buyable

Yeah, who cares about actual mechanics when I can just use meaningless buzzwords like “”””””atmospheric”””””” to defend my low quality games instead?

>>58020151
Correct. A feature that sucks is bad and should be replaced with a better way to get berries. Meanwhile dynamic music is a good feature (and isn't the only """actual""" feature in the game btw)

>>58020121
all this text and there's still no way to get EV reducing berries because BW were rushed and they shoved 90% of the games side content into a flash game

>>58020161
Just trade bro, BW has other things on XY, which is what this thread's about

>>58020169
>Just trade
from where?

>>58020194
Trading between different pokemon games is a core feature that has existed since the beginning. You haven't made full use of the game if you do not do this.

>>58020221
>dodging the question
So BW is a low quality game, got it

>>58020224
Reread that post slowly this time and you'll see the answer right there, anon.

>>58020288
>dodging the question
So BW is a low quality game, got it

>>58020305
Again, you missed the ans3er right there in that post. "between different pokemon games".
For example, I played black and so did my friend. My friend had many berries I needed, so I traded a pokemon he wanted to get the berries

>>58020322
>different pokemon games
So BW is a low quality game, got it

>My friend had many berries I needed
And where did he get those berries?

>>58020347
>it's low quality because....like every game, you have to trade to get everything
Bad logic, try again.
>And where did he get those berries
Why does that matter? I played black and got a complete experience. You're saying the game's low quality, yet I was able to obtain every berry. You're even implying I omit trading, a core feature.

>>58020382
>>it's low quality because....like every game, you have to trade to get everything
I don't have to trade to do something as basic as get berries in XY. So no, try again.

>wh-why does that matter?
Yep, you're dodging the question again. Glad we agree the game is low quality.

>>58020399
>I don't have to trade to do something as basic as get berries in XY.
What's wrong with trading to get them? It's quicker than farming and waiting several days.
>dodging the question
my friend getting his berry from hgss, for example, has no bearing on the quality of my game, so yes.

TLDR any game that has you wait days to get a weak item is more low quality than ones that don't

>>58020408
>What's wrong with the game not having content?

>my friend getting his berry from hgss, for example, has no bearing on the quality of my game
Correct, being able to get berries in higher quality games has no bearing on BW's low quality.

>TLDR any game that has you wait days to get a weak item
As opposed to BW where I can't get the item at all? KEK

>>58020411
>not having content
waiting for berries is bad content. BW still has all the berries so it isn't really missing any content. Trading, however, is a core feature that you're just asking me to ignore to make your nonexistent point.
>BW is low quality because I say so
Still waiting on proof for this
>BW where I can't get the item at all
Wdym? i got mine in BW, and much faster than you got yours in XY while wasting your time and energy

>>58020420
>waiting for berries is bad content
Not being able to get berries at all is worse content.

>Still waiting on proof for this
The fact that I can't get the berries in BW without relying on other games is proof.

>i got mine in BW
By needing other games KEK

>>58020440
>get berries at all
But you can get berries, like we already said
>relying on other games
>by needing other games
What's wrong with this? It takes a minute or two, while your method takes several days in some cases.

>>58020452
>But you can get berries
How do I get berries in BW without relying on other games?

>What's wrong with the game being incomplete?

>It takes a minute or two,
Not if I don't have another console and another game that has the berry on it, retard.

>>58020474
rangers give you berries when you beat them
also some wild pokemon hold them
try playing the game instead of shitposting

>>58020636
>rangers give you berries when you beat them
cool so how do I get a tamato berry from them

>also some wild pokemon hold them
cool so how do I get a tamato berry from them