Why wasn't South Kalos in the games?

>>58020077 (OP)
because it wouldn’t add anything of substance

>>58020099
Makes sense, if the game was meant to be shit no matter what, why focus on adding more? Really sad.

>>58020099
So why not just add it and, idk, make it good?

>>58020129
yeah why not just give every game infinite maps? Are the developers stupid?

>>58020140
Show me who asked for an infinite map.

>>58020129
we can't, we don't know how

>>58020144
Cope

>>58020077 (OP)
because it distracted from the Mega CHARIZARDs

>>58020144
>>58020129

everything that southern kalos had was moved to the main map in some form or another

>>58020153
>>58020158
How is that asking for infinite maps? it's just asking for South Kalos to be added and be made well. Are you seeing text that isn't there? Are you hallucinating?

>>58020163
>How is asking for more maps asking for more maps?

>>58020166
"more" and "infinite" are two different words with two different meanings, joe

>>58020175
>"more" and "more" are two different words with two different meanings, joe

is it really such a difference if friend safari and battle chateua are in one town as opposed to being seperate areas

>>58020179
100 is more than 80
100 is not infinity
hope this example helped

ZA postgame will let you take a train there

>>58020180
yes because I need to pretend having multiple areas locked after the credits is magically good to cope about BW being low quality

>>58020162
Got an actual source on this? I wanna see what they planned.

>>58020181
You’re asking the developers why they can’t just add more maps on top of 100 and just make it good
hope this example helped

>>58020187
Why are you seething about BW out of no where?

XY would have been better with more locations because between locations you get exploration and routes and shit. If you had your way every notable building would be lined up next to one another instead of actually exploring a region that feels lively and more expansive

>>58020187
no that acutally makes sense since they wantedthe campaign to have new pokemon only. and could put some old pokemon in the remaining few hours post elite 4. It's also where the transfer lab is for getting more old pokemon

>>58020190
you talk exactly like the guy who calls everyone Eric on /v/ if they don't like the latest nintendo games

>>58020196
>XY would have been better with more locations
This. Every game would be better with more locations. Why doesn’t every developer just add infinite locations to their game to make it perfect? Are they stupid?

>>58020190
Except no one asked that. They asked South Kalos specifically. No more, no less. That isn't infinity, retard. It isn't some insanely impossible task.

>>58020204
>Except no one asked that
>>58020129

>>58020202
>Every game
Nope. I said XY. Only person demanding infinity is you.

>>58020188
Google is your friend

>>58020207
That's referring to South Kalos, stupid, not some infinity.

>>58020208
>w-wait no my criticism only magically applies to XY because I just realized I accidentally shat on games I like

>>58020214
>That's referring to more locations on top of the game stupid, not more locations on top of the game

>>58020217
>magically
Because XY needs more locations. Not every game does, though. Not every game is the same game, as I am sure you're aware.

>>58020222
>more locations
South Kalos specifically, yes. Not an INFINITE number of locations. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

>>58020223
>Not every game does
Why? Because they’re games you like and don’t want to accidentally shit on them?

>>58020228
>More locations specifically, yes. Not MORE locations. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

>>58020229
Because XY has too few locations and the game references parts of Kalos in literal dialogue that aren't visitable, like South Kalos.

>>58020231
retard

>>58020233
>Because XY has too few locations
source?

>>58020231
>I want more carpeting in my house to cover the floors
>Someone gives me infinite carpeting
>Is confused about why I'm upset since "you asked for 'more', right?"

>>58020233
Agreed, BW needs more locations because it has even less of them than Kalos and they reference Kanto and Sinnoh which aren’t visitable

>>58020239
>the game references parts of Kalos in literal dialogue that aren't visitable, like South Kalos
It doesn't help that it's the game with the fewest total locations

>>58020242
>I want more carpeting in my house to cover the floors
>The floors are already fully carpeted, and adding more carpets would add no substance
>Is confused about why I'm being called a retard effectively asking for infinite carpets

>>58020246
>it has even less of them than Kalos
Factually untrue
>they reference Kanto and SInnoh
Kanto and Sinnoh aren't part of Unova. South Kalos is part of Kalos and is referenced by the Kalos game, and yet you can't go there. Please read before responding

>>58020248
>the game references parts of Kalos in literal dialogue that aren't visitable
So?

>It doesn't help that it's the game with the fewest total locations
? We aren’t talking about BW.

>>58020252
>The floors are already fully carpeted
>He says this as an analogy for the game that explicitly mentions areas OF IT'S OWN REGION that you can't visit, and has the fewest total locations.
Yeah, I'm thinking Kalos was never fully carpeted.

>>58020254
>Factually untrue
Wrong.

>Kanto and Sinnoh aren't part of Unova.
So? Kanto isn’t part of Johto but it’s still included in GSC.

>>58020256
>So?
So it's an incomplete region by definition, as you're experiencing it.
>BW
has more locations than XY

>>58020257
Agreed, BW isn’t fully carpeted because I can’t visit Kanto and Sinnoh

>>58020259
>Wrong.
Yes you are
>Kanto in GSC
Yes, we were spoiled. That doesn't mean HGSS sucks for mentioning Sinnoh. The bare minimum is seeing a whole region, and XY does not do that, so it NEEDS more.

>>58020260
>So it's an incomplete region by definition
source?

>has more locations than XY
no it doesn’t

>>58020266
>Yes you are
No you are.

>Yes, we were spoiled
No, we just had a complete game as opposed to BW which is inconplete.

>>58020263
Kanto and Sinnoh aren't part of Unova though

It's so funny how Kalosfags operate. Their games is allowed to have parts of the region blatantly unfinished, but other regions need to have second and third regions to be "as good" as Kalos somehow. this is peak delusion.

>>58020267
>source?
You can't visit all of Kallos in the Kalos game
>no it doesn't
yes it does
>>58020274
>no u
Unova has more. Cope
>Kalos game where you can't even go to all of Kalos = finished
>Unova game where you can go to all of Unova = unfinished because there aren't three total regions
This is peak delusion.

>>58020275
>Kanto and Sinnoh aren't part of Unova though
So? Kanto isn’t part of Johto but it’s still included in GSC.

>Their games is allowed to have parts of the region blatantly unfinished,
You mean like BW which is even more unfinished since it has fewer areas and references things that aren’t visitable?

>>58020246
>Unova out of nowhere
The constant of every thread about anything relayed to XY

>>58020210
I've seen the teraleak in depth. Can you just link your source?

>>58020278
>You can't visit all of Kallos in the Kalos game
You can’t visit all of any region in any game. What’s your point?

>yes it does
>Unova has more
no it doesn’t

>Unova game with fewer locations where you can’t go to all the locations referenced = unfinished
Correct, that’s the logic you made up.

>>58020279
>Kanto in GSC
Yes, we were spoiled. That doesn't mean HGSS sucks for mentioning Sinnoh. The bare minimum is seeing a whole region, and XY does not do that, so it NEEDS more.
>fewer areas
BW has more areas than XY, so no
>references things that aren't visitable
Not in its own region. GSC would be complete without Kanto if it had enough locations, which XY does not.

>>58020300
>Yes, we were spoiled
No, we just had a complete game as opposed to BW which is incomplete.

>BW has more areas than XY
nope

>Not in its own region
So? Kanto isn’t part of Johto but it’s still included in GSC.

>>58020291
>You can’t visit all of any region in any game.
Tell me what parts of regions are referenced but not accessible outside of Kalos.
>no it doesn't
Yes it does
>that's the logic you made up
No, I gave you this logic>>58020248
The standard therefere is:
1) Says its own region hasmore, but not actually having it
2) Total locations below a certain amount
Under this, Kalos needs more locations. You seething and deflecting to Unova is childish and false because these don't apply to Unova.

>>58020303
>we just had a complete game
Two regions is not the baseline for a complete game. A game can be complete by havig all of its region accessible, like Unova. Kalos doesn't even have this, so it's incomplete.
>nope
yep, you're coping
>So?
So GSC went above and beyond. Multiple regions aren't necessary to make complete games. XY, however, couldn't even include ONE full one, unlike Unova.

>>58020310
>Tell me what parts of regions are referenced but not accessible outside of Kalos
Literally everything here that's not a yellow line or a green circle. Hope this helps.

>Yes it does
No it doesn't.

>No, I gave you this logic
Yes, so BW is the most in dire need of more locations since it has the fewest locations and references places that aren't visitable. Hope this helps.

>Kalos is complete! It doesn't matter that you can't visit all of Kalos in the Kalos game! Stop noticing things!
>What do you mean other regions allow you to visit the entirety of themselves? No no, THOSE games are only complete if they include 2-3 regions! But Kalos is complete without its full region!
How does anyone even hold these thoughts simultaneously?

>>58020314
>Two regions is not the baseline for a complete game
Source?

>yep, you're coping
Nope, you're coping

>So GSC went above and beyond
No, we just had a complete game as opposed to BW which is incomplete.

>Unova is complete! It doesn't matter that you can't visit all of the locations referenced in the game and the game lacks basic features like berry farming! Stop noticing things!
>What do you mean other regions have more maps and more features? No no, THOSE games are only complete if they include all the things referenced by NPCs! But Unova is complete without those things!
How does anyone even hold these thoughts simultaneously?

>>58020285
Cope

>>58020330
>muh trees
Dude, there are locations and then there's just decoration. With the exception of Paldea, every game is like this. I doubt you think every pokemon game's unfinished except Paldea. Since you couldn't name a location in Unova that's mentioned, I'll claim the win.
>No it doesn't
Yes it does
>BW has the fewest loations
It has more than XY, so no
>references places that aren't visitable
Again you're misreading the standard I gave you. I said that its own region is said to have more, but doesn't. Since this applies to Kalos but not Unova, Kalos needs more locations but Unova does not.

>>58020355
>i-i-it's just decoration
Ok then the NPC dialogue about south Kalos is just decoration

>Yes it does
No it doesn't

>It has more than XY
Nope

>Again you're misreading the standard
No, you're just backpedaling because you keep accidentally shitting on games you like.

>>58020338
>Source?
Do you think every game without two regions is unfinished?
>nope
yep
>we just had a complete game
Do you think every game without two regions is incomplete?
>>58020343
Damn he just wanted a link and some proof.

Why do Kalosfags hate their own game? Shouldn't it have six regions according to their shitty logic? Funny how it doesn't even have one full one, making it the least completed region in most need for more locations.

>>58020363
>Do you think every game without two regions is unfinished?
Do you think every game that references things that aren't visitable is unfinished?

>yep
nope

>>58020361
>NPC dialogue about south Kalos is just decoration
That doesn't even make sense as a sentence. A map of locations clearly showing you can't go anywhere else means the region is complete.
>no x2
Yup. Cope.
>Backpedaling
No, I've always said that if a region mentions parts of itself you can't visit that means it's incomplete.

>>58020366
>Do you think every game that references things that aren't visitable is unfinished?
If those are LOCATIONS and are stated to be parts of the focused region of the gameo, yes. Now answer my question.
>nope
yep

>>58020372
>That doesn't even make sense as a sentence
Yes it does.

>A map of locations clearly showing you can't go anywhere else means the region is complete
Glad we agree Kalos is complete.

>Yup
Nope. Cope.

>No, I've always said that if a region mentions parts of itself
No, you've always said that if a game mentions parts of itself that you can't visit that means it's incomplete.

>>58020375
>If those are LOCATIONS and are stated to be parts of the focused region of the gameo, yes
So BW Is incomplete since Kanto and Sinnoh are focused on via NPC dialogue, and they're locations, yet aren't visitable. Good to know.

>yep
nope

>>58020390
>Kanto and Sinnoh
Are you illiterate? Where were Kanto and Sinnoh "stated to be parts of the focused region of the game" (Unova) ?
>nope
yep

>>58020398
>Where were Kanto and Sinnoh "stated to be parts of the focused region of the game"
The dialogue of the game.

>nope
yep

>>58020400
>The dialogue of the game.
Show me Unovan dialogue stating that Kanto and Sinnoh are a part of Unova.
>yep
Thanks for agreeing

>>58020410
>Show me Unovan dialogue stating that Kanto and Sinnoh are a part of Unova.
They don't need to be part of Unova.

>Thanks for agreeing
Glad we agree BW has the fewest areas in the series.

>>58020415
>They don't need to be part of Unova.
So you're ignoring the standard now.
>XY has the fewest areas in the series
Fixed your post to make it factually accurate.

>>58020427
>So you're ignoring the standard
No I'm not.

>BW has the fewest areas in the series
Fixed your post to make it factually accurate.

>>58020077 (OP)
I don't remember if the leak mentioned any specifics, but presumably it was cut because of dev time and costs.

>>58020386
>Yes it does.
How is it decoration to prove more locations of the region exist? That substantial in-universe.
>Kalos is complete
Nah they covered the South with clouds to shield their incompetency. Also, South Kalos is mentioned in NPC text, yet you can't go there.
>Nope
Yup
>parts of itself
this stands to mean "that should be visitable, but aren't" like how any normal person would read that. Common sense things like trees need not apply if you can't climb them or something. I obviously don't think every game with a sky is incomplete because you can't walk on the clouds.

>>58020436
>No I'm not.
Yes you are. SInnoh and Kanto aren't in Unova.
>factually accurate
But BW has more locations than XY.

>>58020447
>How is it decoration to prove more locations of the region exist? That substantial in-universe.
You mean like how the map proves more locations of the region exist and is substantial in-universe?

>BW is complete
Nah they covered the other parts of the region with clouds to hide their incompetency. Also, Kanto and Sinnoh are mentioned in NPC text, yet you can't go there.

>Yup
Nope

>that should be visitable, but aren't
Yes, Kanto and Sinnoh should be visitable, but aren't.

>Common sense things like trees need not apply if you can't climb them or something
You can walk inside places that have trees.

>>58020457
>Yes you are. SInnoh and Kanto aren't in Unova.
So? Kanto isn’t part of Johto but it’s still included in GSC.

>But BW has more locations than XY.
No it doesn't.

XY focuses on north kalos so by sagefag's own logic mentioning south kalos isn't any sign that it's incomplete

>>58020361
Actually I don't like the Unova games I'm just stating the verifiable truth that you are too retarded to see.

XY is not my favorite game, but this thread just shows me that most people here don't understand how game development works. You are all shitting on Kalos without a reason.

Game developers are not obligated to include ALL of the locations from the preliminary map of a region. It's perfectly okay to CONDENSE some of the locations and cut whatever is considered redundant or unnecessary. And that's what probably happened with Kalos.

Kalos as a region is complete. It has the biggest city in Pokemon (Lumiose City) and so many amazing locations like Laverre City, the abandoned hotels, the PokeBall Factory, the swampy area, and many more. And btw "Southern Kalos" is still in the game in the form of Kiloude City.

Would we have seen more areas of Southern Kalos if Pokemon Z wasn't cancelled? It's possible, but we don't know for sure. Furthermore, it's possible that Pokemon Z was also cancelled precisely because they thought Pokemon XY didn't need a continuation, because it was already complete in their eyes.

>>58020077 (OP)
They stopped caring after BW2. Rightfully so.

>>58020527
>because it was already complete in their eyes.
that's why Zygarde has no lore and the story is rushed as hell?

>>58020471
It was originally intended to focus on the South as well, but for whatever reason (most likely time constraints) everything in the south was scrapped.

>>58020534
Well maybe they had no good ideas about how to expand Zygarde's story, so they decided to continue with something else (Alola).

Either way, Kalos is a big region and it feels complete. It's also the region with the most beautiful locations imo. I think it's the best of the non-Japanese regions by far (still not my favorite region, as * prefer Kanto+Sevii Islands, Johto and Sinnoh.

>>58020534
Because they originally planned to fit it into Calos_reserve_3 and 4 but for whatever reason decided to scrap them for SM instead, which is probably why they moved Zygarde over to Alola and put in Sina and Dexio to introduce you to the questline.

>>58020540
im not sure about the lack of ideas but i agree about the region, despite everything Kalos is gorgeous

>>58020528
And it did wonders for the franchise
Less effort and more money, why would they care?

>>58020534
>that's why Zygarde [FANFIC] and the story is [FANFIC]?

>>58020538
>most likely time constraints
most likely it being pointless to the game

I agree that Kalos is pretty, but it still feels incomplete. There's so many unanswered lore questions that could've been solved with a third version or sequel. Hopefully PLZA answers some of it.

>>58020635
From a game development stand point, it was more likely cut due to time constraints. There's no evidence that it would've been seen as pointless.

I agree that Kalos is pretty, but it still feels complete. There's so many answered lore questions that were solved because I actually paid attention to the game.

>>58020655
From a game development stand point, it was more likely cut due to being pointless to the game. There's no evidence that it would've been because of time constraints.

>>58020670
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>58020670
> There's so many answered lore questions
This.

>>58020673
Yep. It was cool how we went inside one of the power plants to stop Team Flare and restore power to Lumiose City and the game had so much extra lore they even explain what the other two power plants do in Lumiose Museum. I'm glad I paid attention to the game instead of screeching for a pointless scam rehash.

>>58020695
And where's the rest? The Couriway Train Station? The lack of Zygarde lore? Plot holes in Team Flare?

>>58020728
>And where's the rest of the things I didn’t pay attention to?
Maybe you should try playing the game.

>>58020735
I played the game multiple times. I've read every single line of dialogue multiple times over. There are tons of problems that haven't been explained. Maybe if you weren't so ignorant you'd actually know this.

>>58020153
>>58020343
Arrest
>>58020372
>>58020386
and no, we don't believe you

>>58020748
>I played the game multiple times
Maybe you should try playing it a single time without staring at your phone half the time.

>I've read every single line of dialogue multiple times over
I'm sorry about your crippling illiteracy.

>>58020695
This area is so cool and futuristic. They should've had more stuff for you to do in here after you cleared out team flare.

108 posts
2 posters

IP poster count removal was a mistake

>>58021112
>>58021102
We got it the first time sagie

>>58021102
Your source is?

>>58020343
>no proof
So Southern Kalos has exclusive things that were cut because they had to rush the game, got it.

Yawnfag style is so fucking obvious, my lord.
I can almost picture the autist behind the screen.

>>58021219
If it is easy then quote all the supposed replies of your imaginary enemy

>>58020077 (OP)
I still remember when this got leaked. It was a genuine ground-breaking discovery for everyone in the thread. Definitive proof that Kalos as a region got fucking robbed and wasn't allowed to be completed as it was intended originally.

>>58021217
>So Southern Kalos has exclusive things
nope

>>58021226
It sold well so who cares honestly

>>58021226
>Definitive proof that [thing I don't have any proof for]
every time

>>58021223
My enemy? The fuck are you talking about, do you think this is some anime?
In case you have trouble detecting her, just look at shit like that:
>>58021228
She uses a lot of parroting and deny stuff by just saying "no" without further clarification. It's crazy how anons waste time trying to argue with that creature.

>>58021228
Why do Kalosfags act like if the teraleak wasn't real?

>>58021235
So you can't actually tell and you are talking out of your ass, got it.

>>58021233
>>58021231
I'm sorry Kalos didn't get the care it deserved, truly.

>>58021245
lmao

>>58020077 (OP)
Smol indie company please understand

>>58020183
I doubt it

>>58021084
>Maybe you should try playing it a single time without staring at your phone half the time.
I give each game my full attention to. Very few cases where my phone or computer is open and that's usually because I'm either chatting with friends, recording gameplay or looking up a guide for cryptic games like Simon's Quest.

>I'm sorry about your crippling illiteracy.
How does that imply my illiteracy? Just curious

>>58021084
>Maybe you should try playing it a single time without staring at your phone half the time.
I give each game my full attention to. Very few cases where my phone or computer is open and that's usually because I'm either chatting with friends, recording gameplay or looking up a guide for cryptic games like Simon's Quest.

>I'm sorry about your crippling illiteracy.
How does that imply my illiteracy? Just curious

i thought i was in the berry thread for a minute, this board just blends together these days

>>58020335
Well, a game is complete to them when it is sold to the public. End of.
Kalos is complete because XY was sold the way it was, as were Unova and BW & Johto/Kanto and HGSS. Adding more content implies the game wasn't complete, and removing content necessarily uncompletes it