Be honest, what makes a good Mega Evolution design?

They're all rancid garbage

>>58028229 (OP)
Being cool. But I don't think many of them succeed at that. The posterboys for mega evolution is Mega Charizard X and Mega Lucario for good reason. They have that cool factor. The rest aren't so good outside of a few like Mega Absol, Gengar, Beedrill, Charizard Y etc...

My humble opinion is that mega evolution was a bad fit for the series, and this game will highlight exactly why it is.

>>58028229 (OP)
When it looks better than the original form, like Beedrill

>>58028252
>the only good megas are the gayest ones
kek

There is no singular approach to Mega Evolution design, which is what makes it so compelling to return to. Each of them is exaggerated, but in a completely unique way. You might moan about Megas like Garchomp or Tyranitar having "spikes everywhere" (they were edgy and aggressive in the first place), and then completely ignore the more elegant designs like Pidgeot, Ampharos, Altaria or Gardy. Or Kangaskhan who doesn't change at all and instead fights together with its child. Slowbro also doesn't change, but the Shellder evolves a second time. It depends entirely on the species.

>>58028229 (OP)
The shitpile that Mega Dragonite is makes all the old megas look like master pieces

>>58028229 (OP)
Not sure, but if you find out can you let The Pokemon Company know?

>>58028229 (OP)
Gigantamax are cooler then Megas, fight me

>>58028543
Honestly yeah, too bad thry are tied to the shittier gimmick

>>58028229 (OP)
the only good design is mawile because it looks like a normal evolution the rest are are overdesigned garbage

>>58028543
i would bet it's just easier to design gigantamax. they have a distinct theme, "what if pokemon, but really really big" so every design is just spitballing different implications for what it would mean for that pokemon to be gigantic
with megas it's just "what if pokemon but different". without a central idea to build off, the possibility space is too large so the quality ends up wildly inconsistent

>>58028252
That’s because Megas were made with CHARIZARD in mind. Everything else was just an after though

never liked this crap, they pretend look cool but it's the opposite they look retarded

>>58028229 (OP)
There’s only a few megas that I’d consider good designs
>The base form was already pretty simple; meaning “make it busier” is a valid extension of the creature
>Dont just add more spikes; it only worked with Beedrill because it’s defined by its spikes. All the other ones that just added more spikes (garchomp, tyranitar, sharpedo, aerodactyl, houndoom, etc) are utter failures in design
>Dont just add hair or more hair (altaria, ampharos, lopunny, etc)
>Don’t change absolutely nothing about the creature and just give it a prop or outfit change (gardevoir, kangkaskhan, sableye, gallade, etc)
>Finally, make a creature that can believable move and animate (so no salamence, swampert, slowbro)
That’s really it. Unfortunately, that limits us to like 10 megas at most

>>58028229 (OP)
Mega Banette is the only one I think is good. It would have been better as a 3rd stage.
Most of them are already finished designs with extra shit added to them. They figured out that they can't make new iconic pokemon so they just rehash the ones poeple liked 20 years ago.

>>58028229 (OP)
Mega Fug is good, but it only really works because it’s clearly meant to be grandiose. Mega Gardevoir is a good expansion of the base design. I also think Mega Altaria is a good embellishment as well. Mega Metagross is a fun way to expand its design (that also harkens back to its pre-evos) even if conceptually it’s kind of nonsense.

>>58029080
mega mawile too, it would have been mawile normal evolution

So, let’s think of fun Mega Evolution concepts.

>>58028229 (OP)
lots of bits and bobs

>>58028229 (OP)
>green - 10/10 kino
>blue - above average
>yellow - average
>orange - below average
>red - dogshit

>>58029460
none of those green are kino and camerupt is dogshit

>>58029472
Lopunny's is my favorite. The mega evolution is like character development from a bitchass furbait to a warrior who learned how to punch ghosts. It fears nothing because normal/fighting with scrappy has perfect coverage. Even its +100 stat distribution was perfect - +60 attack, +10 defense, +30 speed.

>>58028229 (OP)
>giving mega evolutions to pseudos instead of properly propping up shitmons that desperately need it
The only mistake with mega evolutions

>>58028229 (OP)
Something that builds off the original design and either makes it more of what it is, or takes it in a different direction that still makes sense.

>>58029460
Here's my take on it
>Blue - Legitimacy a well designed creature
>Green - On par with it's original, inspired take on the original creature OR solid redesign
>Yellow - Uglier than base, but an acceptable execution of a super form
>Orange - Boring, ugly, or uninspired design that weighs down the evolution line by its existence.
>Red - Terrible designs that completely miss the point of the creature, just adds pointless flair for no reason other than to make it busier, or fail to consider how it looks outside of an illustration.
>Black - Genuinely awful designs with no redeeming qualities.

>>58028229 (OP)
i liked mega alakazam. it looks more like a proper extension of the line after kadabra than regular alakazam

basically do less retarded shit lile sharpedo, and more good shit like lopunny and audino

>>58028229 (OP)
I think they generally got better with designing Megas in ORAS. Too many of the XY ones rely too much on “dude just spam more spikes/fur/accessories lmao”. Simpler looking ones that focus on just one element of the design being exaggerated like Sableye/Salamence/Slowbro/Kangaskhan look the best.

>>58030572
>mega metagross hater
wtf

>>58028543
Gigantamax was the cringest gimmick visually
Full on retarded meme bullshits
All the megas I hate (including Dragonite), I do because they look kinda "memey", and Gigantamax always brings that crap to the max.

>>58028543
Eh, I feel like too many of these are memetic nonsense

>>58028229 (OP)
In my opinion, ones that go full ham on a signature trait of the pokemon regardless of how retarded it might see at first glance.

>>58028229 (OP)
Basically making more Charizards

>>58031253
>They're bad because they actually add themes to the design instead of being lazy or overdesigned garbage

>>58032221
A theme doesn't have to be "le out of place exagerrated funny meme lmao"

>>58033310
>A drum turning into a a giant forest drumset is a meme and not a clever design choice because i said so

>>58028543
Those are just Megas with a different name.

>>58033355
>I'm going to make good faith arguments for the one I like and go full retard for the one I don't
Very convincing.

>>58033406
>Doesn't point out how i'm wrong
Every
Single
Time

>GF intentionally make 1 bad mega design
>galarvaes suddenly start trying to rewrite history and claim mega were always le bad to shill their shitty mememax dead gimmick

>>58033429
Yes he did?

>>58033436
>"You're just talking shit of the one you don't like"
isn't pointing out how i'm wrong

>>58033393
This.
I want Gamefreak to just combine the gimmicks into one powerup.

>>58033355
Yeah I'll still take "more spike lol" over "Dude lets' turn him into a baattleship/mountain/skyscarper lmao".
Both are kinda shit, but one feels more organic and less like some looney tunes joke piece of garbage.

>>58033473
>t-they're both trash anyway!!
Funny how this is always the response to the image lol

>>58033473
Yeah bro garchomp melting his hands into scythes is completely organic and natural to a tank turtle turning into a battle ship

>>58028229 (OP)
>Great
Charizard X
Gengar
Mewtwo Y
Blaziken
Swampert
Sableye
Bannette
Rayquaza
Lopunny
Lucario
Diancie
>Okay
Charizard Y
Beedril
Alakazam
Gyarados
Mewtwo X
Ampharos
Heracross
Sceptile
Mawile
Absol
Metagross
Gallade
Audino
>Shit
Venusaur
Blastoise
Pidgeot
Slowbro
Kangaskhan
Dragonite
Pinsir
Aerodactyl
Steelix
Scizor
Houndoom
Tyranitar
Gardevoir
Aggron
Medicham
Manectric
Sharpedo
Camerupt
Altaria
Glalie
Salamence
Latios
Latias
Garchomp
Abomasnow

>>58033492
Garchomp doesn't have hands.

>>58028543
I would want the Butterfree, Kingler, Lapras, Machamp, and Melmetal as megas

>>58033507
Garchomp doesn't have scythes either and would looks inorganic with those as well

>>58033501
>Great
>Charizard X
Opinion discarded immediately. It's edgebait. Y is the better design, looking like it could logically build from the previous stages in the line.

>>58033510
Kingler would work so well as a Mega -- or honestly even an evolution. It's one of the very few times the "facial hair" doesn't bother me in a design since some crabs bubble at the mouth, and the beard works as many kings are depicted with facial hair.

>>58028229 (OP)
A good mega is something like Swampert whose so good that it should have been the base final evolution

>>58033537
I can't think of anything for Kingler, but I got the idea of Machamp having an ability that doubles its speed when using punching moves and also gives them a 30% burn chance

I like Mega Salamence a lot and unfortunately for it I think it gets a bad rep from the official art and how it looks in game. He's basically a Salamence that's optimized for flying which makes sense given the theme of Bagon. The use of the Shelgon shell in flight to tuck in it's front legs is really clever.

>>58028229 (OP)
>beedrill
>pidgeot
>mewtwo Y
>ampharos
>mawile
>medicham
>banette
>absnol
>diancie

there's your list of good megas bro

>>58028543
The only good ones are Garbodor, Orbeetle, Alcremie, and Inteleon. Kingler, Toxtricity, and Butterfree are nice, but could've also been Megas.

Off the top of my head, Megazard X, Blastoise, Beedril, Sableye, and Mawile are all nice.

The problem with Megas is that trying to mess with an already finalized design is almost guaranteed to be a disaster. It's not easy to pull off, and you have situations like Dragonite where the design is too ass to be improved upon

>>58028229 (OP)
Most of them are perfectly fine. The only ones I don't like are:
Aerodactyl
Ttar
Manectric
Metagross
Sharpedo
Garchomp

Mostly just because they're covered in extra spikes which is usually ugly as sin. Lucario and Houndoom can pull it off pretty well though.

Mega Shapedo is objectively the worst design in the entire series

>>58033758
Yeah such a missed opportunity to make him a full sized shark. A Megalodon if you will.

>>58028229 (OP)
The truth none, they are terrible m mawile banette audinoshould be normal evolutions instead

>>58033453
It should just all be arceus plates (or elemental stones even)
>gives a z move if used on the same type
>terastallizes if used on a different type
>makes certain mons mega evolve/gigantamax
thats it, thats the whole gimmick
also regional forms and convergent can stay, but paradoxes can fuck off

There's a lot of complaints about Mega Tyranitar just getting more spikes, but at least in this case its design is referencing Space Godzilla, which is basically just Godzilla but bigger and spiker. I think it's still worse than regular ttar, but better than some of the other "more spikes" mega evolutions.

>>58034559
Mega tyranitar looks nothing like spacegodzilla

>>58033758
Nah, at worst you can say it’s just very overdesigned. It’s not offensive garbage like some mons.

>>58028229 (OP)
not existing. nothing else makes a mega design good
>b-but-
shut the fuck up you little bitch

>>58028252
1. Mega Charizard Y is way cooler than X which is a fat hunchback
2. Mega Lucario is not cool under absolutely any interpretation of that word whatsoever

>>58028338
oh my god just kill yourself already

because most of themn didnt need and just look who is getting mega in za just shit goofy designs fucking scrafty lol

>>58031278
>>58031253
>>58033310
this has literally 0 meaning whatsoever. you simply lack the expected articulation from a grown adult and so resort to words you associate with things you dislike. might as well change "meme" to "stink" in your posts and they would have just as much substance

>>58033473
>Yeah I'll still take "more spike lol" over "Dude lets' turn him into a baattleship/mountain/skyscarper lmao".
next time, just shorten that to "I have no taste please ignore me".

>>58033501
you can easily filter anyone who likes Charizard X over Y as having abysmal taste and you'll be correct 100% of the time.
nevermind that Y has a vastly more balanced silhouette and actually looks like a more intimidating/grown evolution of Charizard while X looks like a fat manlet, X is black and has le blue fire!!1!!

>>58033355
>Blastoise
about the same
>Pikachu, Ampharos
Right. Pikachu’s is a fat meme.
>Snorlax, Abomasnow
Ehh. Both boring.
>Urshifu, Lucario
Delete both and nuke Japan a third time.
>Sandaconda, Tyranitar
Sandaconda. I love Tyranitar but that mega is really dull. And Sandaconda is a cool shotgun tornado.
>Daraludon, Garchomp
Duraludon is fucking garbage. Its base form is shit and its gigantimax is a shitty meme. I’ll grudgingly take maid Garchomp over it solely because of that.
>Rillaboom, Aerodactyl
Both shit, but Rillaboom gets docked twice because of it being a joke and having objects involved.
>Alcremie, Mawile
Mawile. Alcremie is a joke.
>Gengar
About the same, but Gigantimax Gengar is one of the best gigantimaxes for reference.

Anyway half of the Gigantimaxes feel like quirky shit they wanted to push through for kids and didn’t realize most people playing are (wo)manchildren.

>>58033529
damn I hadn't even read this when I posted >>58034630 glad to see someone else say it

>>58034602
The trth I don't see any of these pokemon getting a good mega design most of them alreayd are overdesgined

>>58034633
>meme
stopped reading there
whatever opinion this guy has, the opposite is true

>>58034633
>Le quirky XD
Ok edgelord

>>58034645
>>58034649
Sorry bro, a short chortle won’t redeem their designs.

>>58034659
>No argument
Alright then edgelord

>>58034662
Who are you quoting?

not sure why this guy replied to me when I obviously won't read his posts but oh well

>>58028229 (OP)
MEga vensasaur is the worst and most lazy, just add a flower on his head and add 2 leaves

>passive-aggressive posting
why do gigantimaxfags always get so mad lol

>>58034674
>You're le mad XD

>>58034675
thanks for the concession :)

>>58034678
Concession denied

>Megafags starts insulting when they run out of arguments

uhh bro that’s a gigantimax guy

Pokemon?

Isn’t this place supposed to be full of contrarians? Shouldn’t you all love dynamax because of that?

>Charizard X haters

>>58035153
average plasshill and mega dragonite defender bw like

>>58028543
>Quirk Chungus: The Mechanic
No thanks

>>58035153
/vp/ pisses and shits over megas slapping random shit onto a pokemon but will fellate zard Y in the same breath just because it isn't the popular dragon type mega

>>58035153
I just hate the shoulder spikes.
I like the rest of the design but that one part brings it down a lot for me.

>>58028543
I think quite a few of these are either dull or don't work very well (not that dynamax works well in-universe, but of course gamefreak probably hasn't given a shit about that in years). A chunk of them are pretty clearly meant to be funny but some are really clever and/or 10/10 designs. I think Gigantimax Kingler is one of the best designs in the series, where it actually seems functional, has a funny attachment that has some real-world reference, and also emphasizes the beeg aspect of the gimmick. Then there's stuff like Meowth, and the apple dragons which both got the same gigantimax for some gay reason.

>>58030572
Are you this guy?>>58029056

>>58036322
Damn, nice read.
Yeah, made the original definition at work, then made the rankings after I got home.

>>58036489
I'm curious, why is Ampharos red?

>>58036630
It just adds hair.
"Oh but it references it's past forms" don't care, still an incredibly boring transformation that doesn't justify watching the mega evolution cutscene, let alone the whole dex entry itself.
Truthfully, I probably ranked Mega Altaria too high for the same reason. Should also be red.

>>58036651
What would be an acceptable mega Ampharos design? I'm genuinely unsure where it could go.

>>58028229 (OP)
Charizard makes a good Mega Evolution design, and only Charizard should only get Megas.

>>58028233
Fpbp

>>58028233
If they’re so rancid why did CHARIZARD get two

>>58036662
Ampharos is a pretty hard one. It's already a fairly busy design. Honestly, I would avoid making a mega of it.
But if we were forced to, I dunno, just like... try to do something other than staple something random on it?
But sure, maybe shitting on things without providing a better way forward is counterproductive. Here's a quick doodle if we're keeping the "reference the past evolutions" as a concept. Is it great? Probably not, I think it still looks too similar (probably should have made it lankier). But like I said, there's two aspects to at least respect a mega design
>Don't just staple something on it
>Make it be able to move believably as a creature
And mega ampharos failed at step 1

>>58036662
>>58036733
Mega Ampharos is a good one. if they followed vp's advice they'd end up turning it into a lighthouse.

>>58036733
>hooves out of fucking nowhere
congrats you managed to design something even worse

>>58028543
I wouldnt mind if these guys got retrofitted to be megas too. Just say that Eternatus energy and mega energy are similar enough to trigger the pokemon to change without making it grow or sth.

Charizardite Z incoming

>>58037019
Its a sheep

>>58037050
It’s a Pokemon.

>>58037052
It's a tentaquil.

>>58028229 (OP)
all dogshit
i dunno why pokemanchildren hype up this feature so much
>>58028233
/thread

>>58028229 (OP)
>Charizard Y
>Kangaskhan
>Ampheros
>Blaziken
>Gardevoir/Gallade
>Sableye
>Mawile
>Absol
>Lucario
Good

>Venusaur
>Charizard X
>Beedril
>Pidgeot
>Alakazam
>Slowbro
>Gengar
>Pinsir
>Gyarados
>Heracross
>Tyranitar
>Sceptile
>Aggron
>Medicham
>Manetric
>Camerupt
>Altaria
>Benette
>Salamense
>Latinex
>Rayquaza
>Lopunny
>Audino
>Diancie
Mid

>Blastoise
>Aerodactyl
>Mewtwo
>Steelix
>Scizor
>Houndoom
>Swampert
>Sharpedo
>Glalie
>Metagross
>Garchomp
>Abomasnow
>Dragonite
Shit

>>58033674
Indeed. Never understood the hate.

My fav mega is still Kanghaskan.
Mom giving energy to a baby is a great design choice.