I woke up this morning and realized that I haven't liked Pokemon for longer than I had thought.
>Dexit
Was just the final nail, I won't play a game without all the Pokemon, let alone the low effort garbage they peddle today.
But it turns out, all through gens 3-7 I was chasing something, chasing the high that Johto gave me.
>new region, new Pokemon was a huge selling point since they were the original sequels
>grand, powerful soundtrack
>longing nostalgia in the Kanto section but never so much as to overtake the idea that growing up is a positive thing
>dialogue full of wonder and joy for the pure existence of Pokemon
>color graphics and a solid art style were such a leap forward you didn't even realize the game had the same 8bit engine as RBY
>everything you discover is something seen for the first time only recently, from new evos to eggs
>clock system and weekly events made you feel like the Pokemon world was living and breathing
Later games would have some of these elements but not all of them, and by the time they got most of them back in at once (BW imo), the "whole new world" idea was long abandoned and the sense of futuristic utopia and discovery was very different.
Are there any games that "feel" like Gen 2? In any series, oddly because of the clock based events and unknown-as-yet features, the original Animal Crossing comes to mind.

>>58033419 (OP)
there aren't any

>>58033487
Impossible, there's gotta be one even if it's some old shit for the ZX Spectrum

>>58033419 (OP)
I have this dream for a Pokemon game set in the early nineties during the late bubble economy (or just after the crash) and Pokémon just start mysteriously appearing.

>>58033547
Like a prequel? Could be pretty cool. I see lots of people wanting a game where you play as Oak during his own Pokemon journey but I wouldn't want to play as a character we already know.
A game exploring the sci-fi/Mother type origin of Pokemon would be neat, maybe incorporate some of the less fluffy elements of Capsule Monsters like Dealers and cages and whips...

>>58033588
I wouldn't have it be a prequel per-say. It would take place before something like Red/Blue but would be an alternative vision for the world I think. I imagine established characters would show up, but they'd be different and not direct precursors to those in the games/anime/manga

>>58033746
Not a bad idea but I guess going back to the beginning when you already know where it leads wouldn't feel as wonderful as the way Gen 2 opened a whole world before our eyes.
I'd still like anything creative for the series though

>>58033419 (OP)
There was someone working on a pokemon mod for cataclysm dark days ahead but I couldn't find, and forgive me, the reddit thread on the cataclysm dark days ahead subreddit. If you go there and inquire someone may be able to help you find it.
P.S. cataclysm:dda is a post apocalyptic survival simulator. Free on GitHub and Google play store.

>>58033419 (OP)
>>Dexit
>Was just the final nail,
why? there's no reason to not use exclusively new mons in singleplayer when experiencing the new pokemon is the only reason to even play a pokemon game, and there's no reason to play in-cart multiplayer when Showdown exists

>>58035043
because it's anathema to the core philosophy by which we played the games. you may say that core philosophy was wrong, gamefreak certainly thinks so, but it's what it is

johtokek crythread number 99999 yawn get new material maybe find a new hobby for once

>>58033419 (OP)
I don't understand why people care so much about dexit. You don't need ALL Pokémon. You're using 50 per playthrough tops.

Anyway, I hope you can move on and find something else to enjoy.

>>58034458
I wasn't even thinking about that so much as just wanting to do whatever I want with the characters and not forcing myself to conform to the canon.

>>58035043
I always try to use exclusively or mostly new Pokemon on a first playthrough, but as anon said >>58035052 it just isn't in the spirit of the series. "Gotta Catch 'em All" was dropped in 2003, but it was still an aspiration for each game. Transfers are fun but not what I like about a full national dex, it's just the idea that I have these choices, from old favorites, to Pokemon I hadn't used yet, to ones I never saw before. I like seeing my old allies on the other side of a battle, of the familiar feeling that happens when you see one in the wild. Transfers were fun when you could reasonably bring old friends in and fight with them in the post game.

With at least the way the first few regional dexes did it. It makes Johto Pokemon feel really new and rare; it sells Hoenn as a foreign region that new Pokemon are both more and less common than older ones, Sinnoh is similar. Unova flatly said it was a new thing and I actually didn't mind that in theory, I would call the execution mixed, but it did TRY to have that "all-new" feeling once again, and I enjoyed that.

It isn't about needing to use every Pokemon, it's about the fact that the monster collecting game where your journey begins to complete the encyclopedia on said monsters suddenly decided that you didn't need to be able to use or even see certain ones arbitrarily. It happened way too late in the franchise, after Gen 3 ultimately brought everyone in, it was already too late. There is literally no excuse at this point other than wanting us to buy more games.

>>58035088
the primary task given to you for most of the series' history was "go out and fill the pokedex." battling the evil team, beating gyms and the E4, these were all good fun things, but secondary to the stated goal of the games. gamefreak got bored of making games about that before i got bored of playing them

Gettin real sick of these johtimmy bitchposts

>>58035043
>there's no reason to not use exclusively new mons
The reason is I feel like it.
>experiencing the new pokemon is the only reason to even play a pokemon game
Sad.

>>58035114
Game Freak did softly move away from it with the creation of the regional Pokedex, with National Dex being optional/postgame content. Even if they don't want to literally catalogue all the Pokemon though, there's no reason to not include them; the data and models are already there. Even if they do it like in FRLG or Emerald where a Natdex only mon shows up as "No. ???" for the whole game. It's no different than games that lock on-disc/cart data behind DLC, except in this case they just don't include the data arbitrarily (since every Pokemon has a modern model/dataset from Home)

>>58035140
the reason is because they don't care about it as a mechanic and they didn't want to spend dev time on it. their vision for what makes a game fun just doesn't align with mine anymore. so i play romhacks

>>58035132
>xe/xir has psychological attachment to fictional character designs
>xe/xir plays pokemon games for the story
>xe/xit thinks xe/xir can call anyone else "sad"

>>58035165
congrats man, they make these games for you now

>>58035162
But there is no dev time to be spent on integrating Pokemon that have already been made into a new game... Like if Home models are "future-proof" then there is literally nothing but a copy+paste that needs to happen to get any Pokemon that exists in Home (it's all of them besides some formes btw) into a new game.

>>58035188
this so much lol if masuda just went to his pc and presses control and c and control and v then magically every pokemon would appear in every pokemon game wowzers!!! i hecking love science!!!!

>>58035188
i think they were literally struggling to figure out how to fit all of the assets on a physical cartridge because they're so bad at compression

>>58035168
I play real JRPGs though, that's why I know discovering new pokemon is the only redeeming quality pokemon games have. It's certainly not the graphics, combat, world design or story

>>58035199
It's the combat (tournaments) and shiny hunting though

>>58035196
I just don't understand why Game Freak continues to operate the way they do, and how they can't attract anybody with a modicum of skill or talent to develop for them. Sure you'll be making only Pokemon forever, but Pokemon is the most popular thing of all time, how many thousands of genius Japanese people must love it?

>>58035199
it sounds like we largely agree then, and the issue is just that you fail to see Dexit as a symptom of the same mindset that makes new pokemon games such an ass JRPG. it's not that dexit was itself loadbearing, it was just the signal that the cancer had metastasized and could no longer be stopped

>>58035114
>the primary task given to you for most of the series' history was "go out and fill the pokedex."
That's not even true. On top of that, filling out the Pokedex was literally impossible to do in games with national dex, unless you cheated.
In the newer games, it's actually possible to complete the dex with only that game and a trading partner who has the other version. It's MUCH better for dex completion.

>>58035203
hard to say without being a part of the company. broad guess is that masuda was never a natural-born software engineer, and lacked the ability to scout that talent in new hires
>>58035213
in the newer games it is literally impossible to complete the pokedex, and therefore tautologically worse

>>58035213
Retard. The literal second the Regional Dex was invented they made THAT the completion goal with NatDex being optional postgame content. In every game with NatDex you literally CAN complete it with trading (y'know, the reason the series came together at all?) unlike the Switch slop where THERE IS NO NATDEX BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ALL THE POKEMON. YOU WILL NEVER COMPLETE IT.

>>58035226
The Game Freak old guard were definitely just flying by the seat of their pants but it still boggles the mind. Surely someone like Ishihara could step in and look at applicants with real talents (not actually Ishihara since he became a soulless ad man).

>>58035228
Yes there is dumbo.

>>58035201
>It's the combat (tournaments)
pokemon combat sucks ass even the TCG has less RNG and that's a game with literal coin flips
>shiny hunting
if you take any form of enjoyment over rolling dice over and over until the game gives you pixels with a different color you are literally more retarded than gachafags, because at least gachafags can't just inject their 5 star swimsuit coombait into the game
>>58035209
>you fail to see Dexit as a symptom of the same mindset that makes new pokemon games such an ass JRPG
oh no I'm completely aware of that except I think pokemon should have never carried over every previous pokemon into each game and should have perma dexited starting with gen 3 and kept pokemon on a rotation. Digimon does this and nobody cares because Digimon fans aren't turbo autists with parasocial attachment to pixels

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLVurTRYtjo

Honestly nails everything OP was on about.

>>58035226
>in the newer games it is literally impossible to complete the pokedex, and therefore tautologically worse
It's impossible either way.
>>58035228
And what's the fucking point of having natdex if 40% of it is basically inaccessible unless you own all the previous games and hardware? That shit's retarded. 99% of players will never make use of it.

>>58035265
Braindead fucktard, I wish I could cave your empty skull with a pickaxe in Minecraft

>>58035265
what's the point indeed. to you also i say, congrats they make the games for you now

>>58035262
>oh no I'm completely aware of that except I think pokemon should have never carried over every previous pokemon into each game and should have perma dexited starting with gen 3 and kept pokemon on a rotation.
Facts.

>>58035270
Uh oh melty

>>58035270
How about you post some counter arguments instead of senseless threads of violence like a dumbfuck chimp? Hm how about that?

>>58035285
*threats
Before someone spergs out over it.

>>58035262
>>58035273
>Gen 3
Completely agree, it was their chance to make a clean break to the Advance Generation but they flubbed it by eventually giving us everything even if it took several games and two systems. At the same time, with only 386 Pokemon they couldn't have padded out 7 RPGs without giving us everything anyway.
Gen 4 was also a good chance to break off, at least to say regional dexes would be the way of the future and maybe or not would we get all of them in future games but they were too scared to do it. Same with Gen 5, they really, really could have gotten away with it then.

>>58035272
>they made the games better
Yup. Hope you can move on.

>>58035275
>>58035285
Hey. Angry sharteen samefag. Can you read? Do you read the posts you reply to? Don't answer this post, because if your response is affirmative, you're trolling and wasting people's time. If it's not, you're too stupid to exist and not worth the air you're sucking through your Hot Pocket crisping sleeve.

Yeah, he's pissed!

>>58035298
I don't even know what you're babbling about. I'm having a calm discussion, not whatever delusions you're having.

>xhe really can't read
Sad

>xhe can't make an argument
Sad!

>>58035331
Read the thread fucking imbecile

Dude is almost crying lol

Why is this board so especially full of disingenuous faggots hellbent on derailing and trolling every thread they personally dislike?
>hurr here's my retard opinion
>Ok, you're wrong and here's why.
>hirrr I'm fucking braindead mad yet
>I already answered you, idiot.
>DDUUUUYUUUUUUURRRRRR
Clean it up, janny.

>>58035386
They're definitely sharteen trolls who think they're some kind of mafia who "own the board" because they spam it with low quality garbage posts and shitty bait. Just a bunch of retarded children.

>>58035203
Because they don’t care the ganes only sell merchandise they are going to open another Pokemon center and a fucking real park

>>58035402
that's where the games budget goes

Pokemon go is getting all the pokemon gimmick forms etc..

>>58035399
>>58035402
Worst part is that they'd fuck off if people stopped replying or acknowledging but the posts stay up for hours if they even get deleted at all so someone is bound to bite.
Maybe janny doesn't care since it's a containment board but even so, with the amount of insane pokefags on here you figure they could hire-- sorry, solicit volunteer service from-- one.

>>58035203
I think it's cause they don't want "strangers" to meddle with their games. They have their strict vision, and they don't want it to be muddied by outsiders bringing their own input into it.
It may seem like their being overprotective, but they do have a point to some extend. Look at companies like Blizzard. The core crew left one by one while constantly hiring new "talent", until one of the greatest gaming companies of the 2000s was only a soulless husk of what it used it be.
Pokémon is obviously an incredibly lucrative IP that has a lot of very invested fans. They need to be very careful with maintaining the brand identity.

>>58035449
But don't you think the widespread nature of disillusioned fans like in this thread speaks to their philosophy failing?
They've kept what made the series appealing to a newcomer in 1998, or most of it, but they certainly haven't done as well to retain them with interesting progression in sequels. Still, a new 8 year old is born every minute so why care about older fans who cling to you anyway?
It is remarkable though that despite all the flaws of modern games, and going back a ways, it took until basically all of the original team were gone to truly lose what Pokemon meant to any one fan from the now-olden days.
Maybe they do have a point, but if the people that developed Switchshit become the old guard the company is unironically doomed. Maybe the best thing that could happen is the three founders + Ishihara dying suddenly.

XY was the best but graphical leap from fringe gifs to decent cell shade.