Thread 58034878 - /vp/

Anonymous
7/23/2025, 10:25:08 PM No.58034878
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>Pokemon Showdown/Stadium but Pay2Win
Woah incredible, it's what i've always dreamed of
#ThankYouGamefreak
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 10:26:08 PM No.58034885
>>58034878 (OP)
I'm still gonna hack
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 10:42:08 PM No.58034942
>>58034878 (OP)
cope harder omgonkek
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 11:20:51 PM No.58035096
>>58034878 (OP)
>Pay2Win
Because you can make your team stronger if you buy the game and send them to Champions? Because we don't know if you can send them back to HOME yet.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 11:50:01 PM No.58035246
Anything that can kill Smogon is good on my book
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:02:30 AM No.58035292
>>58035096
We don't know if they even get sent in or if they just copy the thing and allow you to use it as-is in Champions.
I will add, it's an official fork of Game Freak's battle engine and if they didn't prohibit backwards transfer from Gen 9 to Gen 8, I don't think they'll arbitrarily lock sent to Champions pokés out of returning to Home, if they physically get sent into it. You can stop doomposting any day now, start thinking critically you know.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:07:54 AM No.58035309
>>58035246
Smogon is older than you.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:09:21 AM No.58035312
>>58035292
I'm not doomposting, I'm just trying to understand where the OP is seeing P2W.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:12:30 AM No.58035316
>>58035309
Doubt it.
I am 44
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:16:02 AM No.58035324
>>58035309
So is plague but you still kinda want it gone
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:17:58 AM No.58035330
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https://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/
>VP cannot be directly purchased, so keep battling and gaining VP to power up your team even more!
Yes I know they'll do some stupid shit to still allow purchase but not "directly"
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:40:20 AM No.58035417
>>58035312
He's a povvo - paying for home = P2W because it's not having to grind the povvo stream to build a team.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:41:21 AM No.58035425
>>58035316
Based, thought there were none of my generation left here.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:41:49 AM No.58035429
>>58034878 (OP)
I'm more pissed at the fact that the animations are still the awful ones that are in the main series.
I guarantee it's because the mobile version is bottlenecking everything.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 1:09:03 AM No.58035538
>>58035096
you literally HAVE to spend currency if you want to change your mons stats
If you can't do that in gen 10 as well then of course people are gonna send their Pokemon to Champions and then bring them back because it's more optimal than breeding
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:16:28 AM No.58036198
>>58035538
The currency are in-game points that you can only win battling.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:29:16 AM No.58036226
>>58035330
>Yes I know they'll do some stupid shit to still allow purchase but not "directly"
That's exactly whats gonna happen. They wouldn't have the currency in the game otherwise. Most likely a seasonal battle pass that gives you % more VP after every battle or some shit.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:30:50 AM No.58036232
>>58035538
There is 100% gonna be some sort of fee or limitation to tranferring mons back and forth from Home.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:45:54 AM No.58036279
>>58036232
And why would they limit paying customers anon? They're not poor, they can afford to pay for Home, thus are automatically a step above the povvo element drooling over it.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:47:22 AM No.58036283
>>58036232
The limitations will be on the povvos and exactly how far they can progress in a day or month while not paying for the win button of a selection of available pokémon sitting in a Home box. Not on the people paying Game Freak for a service.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:12:54 AM No.58036377
>>58036226
>They wouldn't have the currency in the game otherwise
Not all currency in mobile games is to make money, in this case VP is used to keep people playing which is vital for a PvP live service game.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:57:04 AM No.58036545
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As a kid I found it a lot of fun to just use the rentals in stadium
Now they're charging for each individual one. Good lord...
>>58036226
>>58036377
I've noticed more and more multiplayer games have been switching from charging money to wanting your time instead. I'm positive there will be some "champion's pass" that will boost your rates but prepared for the amount of VP you get per battle to be just pitiful

If you think about it, hasn't SwSh and SV started demanding a lot more out of people? These raids are not fucking fun at all but they were the only way to get the tera shards pre item printer. It required a whopping 50 tera shards to change one pokemon which was just unfair.
The item printer still requires you to pay for the dlc and don't forget, the time/date glitch isn't intentional. It is legitimately meant to be a gacha where you put in the BBQ points you had to grind forever for and hope you got lucky. I fucking hate the state of the series.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:02:49 AM No.58036566
>>58036545
It doesn't cost anything to use the rental, you are charged to own the Pokemon and be able to edit it.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 7:56:32 AM No.58036819
>>58036545
>If you think about it, hasn't SwSh and SV started demanding a lot more out of people?
It's never been easier to make battle-ready mons. You can get everything you need through ingame money, which you can obtain an infinite amount of from any of the botted raid streams that run 24/7 ability patch Dittos.
>These raids are not fucking fun at all but they were the only way to get the tera shards pre item printer.
The cost to switch tera types really was a major fuckup when everything else you need is so easy to get. You can tell they tried to remedy this in the dlc with the item printer and tera charm.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:31:43 PM No.58037741
>>58036198
There are a bazillion ways to circumvent that, just as one ex.
>Make the points gain super low by default
>Sell boosters that quadruple the amount
Also they could just... change their mind about it later on and start selling them, that's what Bethesda did with Fallout76, no one cares, people in the game industry get away with everything
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:22:32 PM No.58037850
>>58037741
Yeah but they are competing against Showdown still and since Showdown is open-source, people can just stand up their own servers if they want to play even if they shut down the official servers.
If they make a shitty system in what should be a free battle simulator with options to get perks for paid things (like skins for customization), people will just go somewhere else.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:24:42 PM No.58037858
>>58037850
>people will just go somewhere else.
you would think...
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:35:45 PM No.58037884
Look, I hate GF as much as the biggest hater ITT, but this system could have a positive effect on the meta, at least in the short-term.
>Players don't have symmetrical access to all Pokemon at once
Obviously this will taper off as the game wears on. Maybe they'll come up with other ways of restricting teams as player's progress:
>Pokemon needs 20x wins from last season to participate
>Pokemon must have been caught in specific region/game
>Pokemon must have participated in 3 seasons, overall
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:58:43 PM No.58038772
>>58037850
>If they make a shitty system
That's exactly what they'll do
>people will just go somewhere else.
That's exactly what's gonna happen
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:13:16 PM No.58038815
>>58037741
>that's what Bethesda did with Fallout76
It really is crazy what happened with that game. I've been playing recently after a long break and I'm amazed at how many resource generators there are now. Back in my day I remember the massive controversy over the useless fridge and the junk collector (and it sucked anyway and you could only have one)
Now it feels like every week they're releasing some new thing that generates food or board games to which there essentially is no limit on how many you can place and then they'll sell you the only reliable way to get good fishing bait for 30 dollars.
>>58038772
You are wrong about that though. This game's on mobile, I'm sure it can be carried by normalfags.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:25:09 PM No.58038860
>>58036545
>Show hand-tailored mons
>Charge some stupid kid the equivalent of $40 for something you could get spending 20 minutes in an associated game
This is definitely catered to people who don't own Sw/Sh/S/V
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:27:00 PM No.58038868
If you can't max the PP of moves I'm going to riot
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 10:12:45 PM No.58039041
>>58038815
The illusion that you can make anything mobile related and it'll be a guaranteed success has been proven wrong time and time again
I've lost count of all the mobile junk that got shut down just a couple years later (or even less) because there wasn't enough people playing
Besides Showdown is playable on phones as well, it's not super ideal but it can be done and most importantly gives you access to competitive battles instantly, without having to grind for currency or other stupid shit to fake progression that makes NO SENSE in the first place if your goal was to deliver that kind of experience that's opposite of the main series.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 10:19:36 PM No.58039062
>>58039041
And yes you can tell I was mad as I was typing this because it's such a single premise and yet they still managed to fuck that up

>wants to be like Showdown but misses the point
>wants to be like Stadium as well but still has the same shit lazy animations copypasted from the main series (which are not going to attract people who thought competitive looked boring)
>No actual soulful Stadium stuff like the announcer, for example.
>The stadiums look boring (Battle Revolution had some real eyecandy ones)

Nothing looks good about this project.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 10:45:42 PM No.58039140
Does anyone want to play some old generation meta games when this shit is out? 4 is my favorite but I'm open to 5, 6 maybe 7. I don't know if the game will have preset previous gen rule sets but if not I'll just make my own. And no it won't be Smogon's retarded clauses. Garchomp WILL be allowed if we're playing Gen 4. He's weaker anyways because of the Fairy type. Hello Togekiss.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 12:47:10 AM No.58039514
>>58034878 (OP)
iirc you don't pay money. You earn the points in-game.

You have to start shit tier, and work up.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 12:49:18 AM No.58039522
>>58038868
Can you edit IV's?

I'm guessing not and they're all 0 or maxed, but there are still a few moves that use it.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:00:15 AM No.58039558
>>58035316
Go and play with your grandkids anon
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:15:25 AM No.58039615
>>58039140
Garchomp wasn't banned in BDSP OU so even smogon agrees.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:22:24 AM No.58039637
>>58035246
This is not killing Showdown.
It’s gonna need more features and be better than Showdown, and it can’t even get the teambuilder right.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:21:47 AM No.58039774
>>58039140
>Garchomp WILL be allowed if we're playing Gen 4. He's weaker anyways because of the Fairy type. Hello Togekiss.

Isn't Togekiss Normal/Flying in Gen 4?
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:21:50 AM No.58039776
>>58034878 (OP)

While I like the idea I hope they have different ladders for each gen so if I dont want to use all the generational gimmicks I dont have to. Dynamax is just unfun. Terastallize is fucking gaaay.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:23:46 AM No.58039779
>>58039637
>This is not killing Showdown.
The DMCA certainly will
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:28:35 AM No.58039794
>>58039774
I think he's talking about a metagame where only Pokemon introduced until gen 4 are playable while using modern gameplay. No idea about newer items, abilities, and moves.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:36:33 AM No.58039820
>>58039776
Didn't the first trailer say that not every Pokemon from home would be usable? At best you're getting a gimmick free ladder.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:30:32 AM No.58040471
>>58035538
just IV/EV train before sending lmao
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:21:52 PM No.58041258
Have they confirmed you can edit a Pokemon's IV's?

I'd guess that'll be the hook on "buy the games, transfer those pokemon, as due to IV's they'll be better"
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:39:44 PM No.58041298
>>58041258
It's almost certain that there are no IVs, all stats shown are equivalent of 31 and nothing on the UI has indicated they exist (eg. no "judge" button on the box menu").
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:52:30 PM No.58041328
>>58041298
We just have to pray that Home transferred mons automatically get set to full 31IVs in Champions.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:53:59 PM No.58041333
>>58041328
and pray they don't get stuck that way and trapped in Champions
and of course, take the huge mobile monetization model dildo up your ass like a faggot
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:56:41 PM No.58041340
>No way i'm actually forced the battle in the battle frontier to gain points to use to buy items teach moves and shit
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:00:13 PM No.58041348
>>58041298
Well with Bottlecaps they kind of became redundant anyway. Probably for the best to drop them entirely.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:02:17 PM No.58041357
>>58041328
The whole point of Home connectivity is to use your existing game-generated pokémon in the battle sim. If they're not flawless going in, they won't be flawless in action. This is the whole point of tying the thing to Home, encourage people to play the core games to get the best use out the sim.
>>58041333
The only things "stuck" in Champions are the poverty "catches" that are the F2P-available pokés. I'm pretty sure Home-based players will be able to freely move shit in and out of it, just as they are free to move shit around Gen 8 and 9 games, if they appear in the code (largely, can't help the whobies fucked the coding for Sinda).
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:45:00 PM No.58041584
>>58041298
I think it's more likely that rental pokemon in Champions will have 31s and if you want something more exotic you'll have to import from Home.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 4:11:23 PM No.58041633
>>58034878 (OP)
don't worry, they know "competitive" fags will fund it, just like unitefags still paying up for their broken dogshit game
>>58036545
they are using the same sprites from scat/vomit
disgusting
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 4:19:52 PM No.58041643
>>58034878 (OP)
>Pay2Win
Imagine thinking this just to get mogged by someone using a strategy that beats yours.
>THEY JUST PAID MORE TO GET BETTER POKEMON
I honestly don't like you.
Replies: >>58041662
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 4:26:59 PM No.58041662
>>58041643
good goyim
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:34:47 PM No.58042163
>>58041584
They aren't going to give an advantage to Home transferred Pokemon when the whole point of the game is for competitive to be accessible
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:47:47 PM No.58042195
>>58042163
>the whole point of the game is for competitive to be accessible
So are they going to have Calyrex available for 4000 VP on day one?

I really doubt that even if they have 90% of the current VGC meta in the Pokedex on day one that it's that easy to obtain a legendary; likewise they could have some Pokemon with different IV spreads available as event or battle pass rewards. They are going to have strong meta Pokemon available, but I really don't believe that they are going to make every Pokemon and every build accessible. If they do, then good on them.

If they remove PP-ups and IVs, then it's a buff to Pressure ability Pokemon, Foul Play, Spite; and a nerf to Trick Room and Pokemon that use U-Turn, Parting Shot, etc.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:29:24 PM No.58042318
>>58042195
Legendaries probably aren't in the game at least at launch, even if they cost high VP then by the time they get added people will have lots saved up, and new players can always use the trial system which costs no VP.

>I really don't believe that they are going to make every Pokemon and every build accessible
They already showed that you can edit everything with VP, and IVs are nowhere to be seen on that screen. There's no chance that optimal IVs will be locked to exclusive methods like Home and random rewards when it's already seen as the most useless and confusing part of competitive stats. The change to the meta will be minor, TR Pokemon will still run -speed nature and outspeed everything they need to.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:46:25 PM No.58042353
>>58042195
>it's a buff to Pressure ability Pokemon, Foul Play, Spite
Oh no...
>a nerf to Trick Room and Pokemon that use U-Turn, Parting Shot, etc.
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