How would you go about "fixing" Gen2s infamously poor gyms?

I had a go, even if it meant rehashing Claire to be more of a water leader.. Not much else that can be done really

>>58040803 (OP)
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I NEED TO SEE ALL THE NEW POKEMON RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
Poketubers were a mistake.

>>58040803 (OP)

>>58040803 (OP)
you DUMB motherfucker

>>58041271
Yes retard, keep showing everyone your shit-in pants

LiteralWhoTubers making you seethe is what keeps me going in life

>>58040803 (OP)
Everything looks pretty sound-
>Umbreon

FAGGOT YOU RUINED IT!

>>58041536

Mortys entire theme is around darkness. His gym is engulfed in the dark.

Umbreon is perfectly fitting

>>58041496
My approach to "Let's GO Johto" teams. I assumed the nu-gen evos would be available this time.

In case of five-Pokemon Gym Leader rematches, cut out the first mon.

>>58041635
actually his entire theme is aroung ghostness. His gym is engulfed in the ghost.

>>58041637

Don't really see Whitney as having Ursaluna or Tauros given her entire thing is about cute Pokemon. She even tells you she only raises Pokemon she thinks are cute

>>58041702
She uses both Ursaring and Tauros in PWT.

But yeah, maybe Lickilicky could work better than Usraluna.

>>58041637
>Whitney has fewer pokemon than bugsy
>pryce still has 3 pokemon
>bruno has onix

>>58040803 (OP)
By redoing the region as a whole. What a shitshow.

>>58040803 (OP)
Garbage
>muh new region means only new pokemon teams despite the regional dex obviously features other local mons
>tool away scyther from bugsy
>when it still does more than what those johto shitbugs and their level up movepool do
>>58041496
Little better but it's HGSS and not GS, still workable.
You have ruined Petrel however.
Nothing wrong with having Slowbro on Will's team, regardless better than Mr.Mime fainting to x1 Bite.
Lance signature is triple Dragonite with elemental beams, so first match should still keep it, same for Whitney losing Clefairy.

>>58041830
>You have ruined Petrel however.
why? now he's bomb themed just like before but not with only koffings
>same for Whitney losing Clefairy.
it's fairy type and you can catch it only in mt moon, it's meant to be rare

>>58041637
Missing some themes here, Whitney being the worst offendere here.
But also Bugsy picking Ledian over something like Golispod, Falkner would rather use a Fearow or Staraptor over Togekiss.
Have no clue why would Morty pick Weezing over Dusknoir or other better candidates like Chandelure or the meme dog or Typhlosion, Jasmine used to have Empoleon and it was already cool for coverage, she's probably pick Ferrothorn over Perrseker too. Bruno or Will and Gallade/Gardevoir were also fine.
Giving so many regional forms to almost every boss is a bit forced.
Since you are doing crossgen teams Sabrina missing Musharna or Swoobat or Beeyehem or Sigilyph for le hecking wholesome reference is a pity yet her team just works with past gen and media references. Guess PWT was a very good thing because it allowed to rotate their team members within a pool of at least 8-10 mons. Lance HGSS rematch was fine except some movepools and 1 mon, Altaria, Salamence and Garchomp were solid enough, could afford a Hydreigon or Dracopult since he was shown with one and also trained in Galar.

Made this last year and niggas were NOT happy

>>58041901

>>58041842
He IS the Koffing line enjoyer guy, that was the intentional joke, he'd still keep at least 2 or 3 of that line, the whole Smokescreen, Poison and Boom tactic.
Whitney loves cute mons, even if it was retconned it belongs to her classic team, also offers coverage even if not bulky, plus she used it for Metronome, her normal STAB was not relevant back then.
Even if it was rare it was on her team, else I'd argue about every Eevee trainer in those games, I doubt monks and kimono girls spend their time playing at casino.

>>58041907

THREE Dragonites Jeremy?

>>58041901
Yeah no shit, erased Miltank, Bugsy does zero damage, Chuck has only 3 mons but is a "late game" leader, same for Jasmine fix not evolving her magnet.
Props for the new hardest GSC fight: Falkner depending on his movepool since Fearow is only behind Dodrio at hitting hard, it would have Leer, Mud Slap and Fury Attack plus Peck, low damage moves but with Leer and Fearow base stats used against early route shitmons it would be decent enough.

>>58040803 (OP)
Give Bugsy his Scyther back, it was challenging as a kid

>>58041971
This, it forced you to use status, debuffers or put a shitty Geodude or Onix on your team, at least Graveler was GOAT in GSC even without evolving, I cheesed Red's Pika and Snorlax with it, the other lowkey cheatmon was Stantler spamming Headbutt, Stomp and Hypnosis, my random playthrough also made it so its Hidden Power resulted to be Ghost type and it was probably above 60BP from how hard it was hitting.

>>58041938
That's what lance's team already is.
What's up with Karen though?

The thing that was fucked up the most in Gen 1 and Gen 2 boss fights and in general mini boss encounters were the limited move compatibilities and level up movepools that very often were also used for Gym Leaders, so you'd keep encountering Poison Sting Nidoking and Tackle second stages, some mons were basically punchballs without any damage output, the most broken attacks with decent STAB power and PPs were Headbutt, Stomp, Bite, Return, Bubble Beam, Strength, Slash, Rock Slide, Magnitude and Surf or Waterfall, Crystal added the ultra easy mode elemental punches fucking half of the game.
Birdmons were stuck with Wing Attack or had to wait for late levels to learn Drill Peck or Tri Attack. 99% of the opponents were fodder for Normal attack spam and Bite that being Special back then melted any Geodude or Koffing physically bulky lines too. Some poison mons I believe weren't even able to learn Sludge Bomb through TM.
Even meta wise, Normal reigned supreme with Return/Body Slam plus Curse and Rest, the only thing Ghosts did was Perish Song trapping, something you would have never bothered with in a playthrough back then.
Only Gen 3 started to teach some TMs and such to the Gym Leader trainers and other few encounters or at least refining the movepool, see the Fortree area Milotic Ace Trainer.

Sadly another stupid thing they kept doing until Gen 6 was early route shitmons being used by trainers 20+ levels past their evolution level, so Rattata and Zubat or Carvanha at L.30 and 40 being raped by whatever attack giving you zero satisfaction in a fight.
I can understand Unova because some of its mons had retarded super delayed evolution levels like 40 and 50.
Alola definitely put some efforts with Aether teams and mons selection.

>>58040803 (OP)
I think the main problem of your proposals here is that you ignore thematical appropriateness of specific mons. It doesn't make sense for Jasmine to have a Scizor nor for Claire to have an Octillery, for examples.

>>58041271
>Fighting the new pokemon is a bad thing

>>58040803 (OP)
Here's my take. Picture these being the teams for an ORAS-styled Johto remake post Gen 9 with later evolutions being added, because by god if you tried doing this without them the teams would still be bad (because a lot of Gen 2 Pokemon by themselves are bad)

You could even throw some new regional forms in there too to freshen them up even further, but obviously I don't have ideas for that aside from having more ghosts and dragons.

>>58040803 (OP)
Like this

>>58040803 (OP)
>>58042373
Why the hell would you replace Scyther? It's a strong Pokemon for the 2nd gym.
Johto gyms main problem is them being underleveled not "need new Pokemon like games I grew up with"

The main issue is rarely the Pokemon used, they're arguably some of the better choices overall in order to give the player a reasonable challenge (even if that does involve repeats of the same species, something Gen 1 and 2 teams are somewhat notorious for). The problem is the version of the game we got had like a year of development at most and there were tons of Pokemon that just aren't finished, so they have weirdly bad movepools and stats so if it's bad it's not DQ2 bad. And even then they fucked that up and gave Whitney an RNG snowballing effect that made her the bane of some children's existence while other people don't even notice. And that's not even the worst thing, the worst thing is an intentional design decision that was actually basically the same in Gen 1 so everything I said doesn't even matter, it's just they made the non-linear portion of the game mostly mandatory and didn't have a level jump soon enough so you're overleveled for a huge portion of the latter half of Johto. And somehow it's still overall a more interesting game than Gen 1, unless you just want to do endless repeat playthroughs relatively smoothly in which case RS is right over there.

>>58041898
You missed the whole point. I didn't use nu-Pokemon other than evos and forms.

>>58042399
>Why the hell would you replace Scyther?
He'd have a Scizor in his rematch battle don't worry

>>58042373
What the fuck did you do to Bruno?
Anyway for the E4 the rematch teams work but first encounters using their classic teams should be a thing.
Koga still want his ninjamons at least on first encounter, him, Bruno and Karen had versatile non monotype teams that worked fine as concept, it's just their old gens movepools that sucked because limited. Nidoking can join the rematch.
Another theme is Lance & Clair, one uses aerial dragons the other aquatic with Dratini and Gyarados covering both, that is before the rematches that often focus on their prevalent Dragon type.
And Morty's ace is Gengar, personally I believe the obsession with new gen new gen mon as ace is going to far, those pokemon still belong to the regional dex and are native or themed, like Falkner using mostly raptors, Whitney cutemons, Teddiursa yes but not Ursaring, or the meme Granbull that girls like Lacey find cute for its look and personality contrast.
That Pryce team is pretty solid, could be the hardest to deal with.

>>58041635
If you're retarded maybe

>>58042385
Coolests lineup so far
>morty haunter > stantler
>silver marowak > alakazam (he is looking for strong mons like blue)
chuck's team fine but would result into a lower level distribution so they'd be easier to sweep
>red mewtwo
nope
>misty dewgong > golduck or blastoise
>will noctowl > slowbro
>will wobbuffet > anything else he couldn't even counter a gastly using astonish

the key would still be mons movepools, some of these are cool on paper but utter shit in reality once you remember the levels you are supposed to face them

Also Pineco would be considered too "broken" for a second gym as self ko damaging attacks were the most powerful attacks until Gen 5 happened nerfing them, and Shuckle for example would have been challenging enough at sponging attacks and doing respectable annoying but reliable Wrap damage, better than his cocoons acting as set up fodder.

By my count gens 1+2 have 138 "notable" pokemon meaning lines but counting split evos as separate (so Eevee's line counts for 5 and slowpoke's line as 2)
You can discount The legendary birds, beasts, Mew, Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-oh and Celebi leading to 117. Johto has 26 notable trainers using >>58042385's list but you could easily add existing characters such as the kimono girls, the Bellsprout tower elder, the other 2 rocket elites, the opposite sex player character, Giovanni, and professor oak.
117 pokemon to use between ~30 trainers sounds rather doable so I'd like to see a gen 2 revamp trying to fit all the pokemon on to a notable trainer's team.

>>58040803 (OP)
I wanna know what Pokemon games you guys are playing where anyone but the E4 or the Magikarp guy have more than four Pokemon on their team.

>>58040803 (OP)
Rate my Gen2 Johto [Hard Mode] full list of bosses using legal ingame egg moves + TMs + level up movepools and their eventual rematches. Don't mind the shitposting name. It's not a hack concept that changes moves compatibility and types, just the actual vailable possibilities.
https://archive.palanq.win/vp/thread/33647267/#33657421

Normal trainers would be less of a tryhard but the boss fights would be more entertaining than Poison Sting and Tackle spam.

>>58040803 (OP)
>I gave Falkner pokemon that are weaker than Pidgeotto
>I gave Bugsy pokemon that are weaker than Scyther
Thanks for "fixing" it bro.

>>58041842
The thing with Clefairy in gens 1 and 2 is that it’s a trendy pokemon among young women, like owning those inbred dogs (also referenced with Snubbull). Whitney is immediately established as being a trend chasing girl from the big city who is into cute things, to the point that she even modeled her gym off of Clefairy. It really destroys a lot of subtle and realism to the worldbuilding to ditch Clefairy, even if it isn’t “muh type specialty” for her anymore.

>>58042230
>Giving Gen Wun mons that were overlooked a spotlight is... LE BAD

>>58042831
Murkrow hits hard than fucking Pidgeot though

>>58040803 (OP)
Soulless
>>58041496
Soulless
>>58041637
Mostly soulless but better than the others
>>58041901
Shit
>>58041907
Soulless
>>58042373
Worst one ITT
>>58042385
Soulless except for Red and Eusine, which are SOUL

>>58042875
>reducing the new roster to fodder that only exists to make KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO look better is..LE GOOD

>>58042875
Which pokemon were overlooked?

>>58041271
>Literally every other gen has the gym leaders use new Pokemon
>But it's okay when Gen 2 doesn't
As always, 2 is the worst of the 5 good gens (1 - 5).

>>58042882
>can only complain
opinion discarded

>>58042886
>5 good gens (1 - 5)
You guys are still trying to make this a thing? I know it's popular with redditors but that doesn't make it good.

>>58042891
I've been saying it since 2013. Gens 6+ are ass.

>>58042894
5 is more like 7+ than 6 is and 6 is more like 4 and earlier than 5 is.

>>58042831
Murkrow is actually stronger than PIDGEOT. They both have 91 Speed, but Murkrow has 5 more base Attack points and way more SpA (to use that Dark type). Murkrow also has an immunity to Psychic, but that's irrelevant that early into the game.

The only thing Pidgeotto/Pidgeot have on Murkrow is bulk. Murkrow has the better type, offensive stats, and move pool.

>>58042906
That's just not true. 5 is most similar to 3.

>>58041271
this, they should fix the shitty level curve, or awful pokemon distribution, or retarded methods needed to get evo items first
johto just isn’t good

>>58042913
How so? The old gen it's most similar is 2 because of the terrible story and tons of cutscenes and overreliance on kanto.

>>58042929
Johto wasn't intended to be cool, game freak wanted Pokémon to die to they would be able to make real games, so they made Johto shit on purpose. But toddies didn't know they were being insulted and bought it anyway so Gaem Fraek is suc
The Ralph Big Head gambit.

>>58042930
>>58042913
>>58042906
most retarded string of posts I’ve ever read

>>58042943
Why do headcanon fags always cry about everything?

>>58041271
Fpwp
Straight up coal from sharty no doubt

>>58042948
>mad unovafag
You are literally incapable of explaining why you like gen 5.

>Falkner
Replace Pidgey with a Hoothoot. Give it hypnosis early to make it stand out as a gym leader's pokemon.
>Bugsy
Replace the cocoons with night shade Spinarak and Ledian. Save Ariados for Koga
>Whitney
You could give her Teddiursa because it's cute, but she's fine as is
>Morty
Replace one of the Haunters with Misdreavus. I think everyone can agree on this
>Chuck
Add Heracross since it fits his feat of throwing the boulder, but the star of the show is still his Poliwrath
>Jasmine
Her team is fine. Steelix just needs earthquake instead of rock throw
>Pryce
You can add Delibird for the old man winter/santa theme, but more importantly, give Dewgong surf and Piloswine earthquake
>Archer
This dude needs a makeover. First, give him a Weezing and a Golbat to annoy the shit out of you. Keep the Houndour, but save Houndoom for Clair and give him his own ace. Let's go with Ursaring. He's supposed to be the new boss of Team Rocket. He should have something menacing like Houndoom, but also unique to to him
>Clair
Add a Gyarados. Replace one of the three Dragonairs with a Rhydon. It's a huge armored dinosaur. It'd fit right into a dragon team
>Will
Replace the first Xatu with Girafarig with crunch. Have him open up with Jynx
>Koga
Crobat, Ariados, and Forretress can now learn sludge bomb in gen 2. The team is good. Just make sure everyone has sludge bomb
>Bruno
There is no excuse for using Onix this time. Give him a shiny new Steelix
>Karen
She's fine, great even. Just give her Gengar something better than lick
>Lance
Replace his first Dragonite with a Kingdra opener to show how much stronger he is than Clair. Replace the second Dragonite with his new ace that he's been hiding from you the whole time, a Tyranitar. Clair's Rhydon would also hint to this as it would tell the player that earth dragons exist in addition to sea dragons.

People focus way too much on forcing Johto as the gym leaders' aces when the themes are much more important

>>58040803 (OP)
OP is a faggot
>>58041271
fpbp and of course /vp/edos miss the point

>>58042943
Literally untrue based on the development information we have. If they wanted it to die they simply would have either let Tajiri keep developing it at his snail's pace, or canceled it entirely after the Electric Soldier Porygon incident. As a matter of fact, Masuda shitting out the game incredibly fast with lots of marketable toyetic designs and essentially dex filler with garbage movepools/stats that they rushed out at the last minute strikes me as trying his damnedest to hit while the fad was still remotely hot which based on the drop in sales between GS and Crystal it seems like he barely fucking made it so good for him. RS is them trying to make Pokemon a franchise instead of just a fad, and guess what it fucking worked because what other GBA game sold at all?
>>58042948
To be fair, BW has a way shittier version of RS's map design philosophy which still puts it way above like half the games, and the post-game is most reminiscent of GS structurally overall. However, the only thing BW and SM have in common are some exploration design in the first and third islands. Island two is solidly Gen 6 design in basically every way and is all the worse for it.

>>58042882
If soul is a factor, here are my sixes for Gym Leaders and League Trainers.
It's a listing of most prominent Pokemon of each character (using ONLY Pokemon that were used in games and other official media), with a touch of my arbitrary preference.
By rule, I avoided NFEs (except for "justified cases" and Pokemon that got cross-gen evos recently), Legendaries and repeats.

They're supposed to be "in-character", not neccessarily competitive. I generally refrained giving them non-regional Pokemon from rematches (except for those that have media appearances or are somewhat notable or recurring) because I see them as soulless and out-of-character (especially Lance's PWT team... disgusting).
They end with Unova, since Leaders from Gen VI on don't always have canonical full teams (especially Kalos is lacking in this aspect), may add more if something happens in future.
I also make occasional updates to this sheet.

>>58043010
Gen 3 FRLG Kanto, timeline wise a prequel of Gen 2 GSC Johto plot, had Archer and Ariana with much stronger and solid teams not fucking around in terms of base stats and damage from their STAB and coverage.
The Muk, Weezing and Houndoom were pretty wild, others slightly less but still threatening. Golbat was fast and had the usual Confusion + Poison HP consuming strats. Not to mention these teams absolutely mog Archie and Maxie teams from both RSE and ORAS.

>>58042628
>Kimono girls
One eeveelution per girl
>Sprout Elder
-Bellsprout
-Stantler
>Rocket Admin (Proton)
-Golbat
-Gligar
-Slowking
>Rocket Admin (Petrel)
-Ditto
-Weezing
-Murkrow
>Giovanni
-Nidoking
-Nidoqueen
-Dugtrio
-Tyranitar
-Zapdos
-Mewtwo
>Oak
-Venasaur
-Charizard
-Blastoise
-Jolteon
-Porygon 2
-Tauros

>>58043119
Houndoom is cool and all. Don't get me wrong. The issue is it just makes him diet Karen + Koga. I would much prefer if he had his own identity, which the big bad Ursaring provides.

>>58043153
He's very loyal to Giovanni and suffers because of the boss abandoning TR leadership. Sums up the obeying dog personality pretty well, thus working with his personality, Ariana uses other alluring mons often associated with the female sex, just like Karen and her witch themed team or Lorelei and her female team of lore sirens or Agatha and her phobia and poison murder methods team.

High level Ursaring, Graveler and Donphan plus Golbat's usual RNG cancer and speed cucking you from running away in GSC were a replacement for the second part of the implied Johto Victory Road lineup that starts as soon as you cross the Tohjo Falls, they basically worked as potential infinite encounters with tanky opponents. Let's say they still had a representation even without being used by trainers.

>>58043020
>Satoshi was an incompetent developer who didn't want to continue building a property he felt was effectively complete and satisfied his vision
>forced to develop Pokemon 2 by TPC, an impassion project for which he was not even the best man for the job to begin with
>probably wanted to start making something else new
>Pokemon 2 beta is resultingly dogshit
>suits panic and decide to have him replaced as lead and salvage what's already been made thus far
>Junichi chosen due to prior displays of competence and trustworthiness
>actually likes Pokemon so he's happy to takeover
>between the dogshit starting material and corporate meddling, forced to press forward with what would become the worst game(s) in the classic series
>gets it shipped in time even though sales tank predictably
>like Itsuno can't have this define his legacy
>goes all out for the 3rd entry (with actually well-informed design principles and dedication) which defines the course of the rest of the series's future and cements its place in video game history as the biggest gaming franchise in the world
Satoshi unsuccessfully tried to subtly sabotage the project but Junichi's love and understanding of the series saved the day, thanks in part to corporate greed's desire to keep the new cashcow pumping.

https://www.deviantart.com/k2basior/art/True-Johto-Pokedex-with-Trainers-834084200
In this version Johto has it's own Elite Four which is located at Mt. Silver.
The Elite Four consists of:
1. Will
2. Volta (I used Elesa Sprite as I imagine this trainer as a young girl giving our first Electric E4 Member)
3. Florance (I used Nando from Anime as I imagine the guy more or less like him but with the Lyra shaped after a Celebi). It would be the first Grass-Type Elite 4 member
4. Karen
There is 1 Champion and 1 Hidden Champion:
1. The Acting Champion is Kurt (the Pokeball creator) who subsides for the True Champion while he is on a secret mission. Kurt's Cursola is special as it was a normal Johtonian Corsola but tackled the Rocket Evolution Radio Sygnal Transmittor and as the result all the waves caused her to evolve into Cursola.
2. Eusine - the True Champion of the Region. He is on a mission to catch the Legendary Beasts before Team Rocket does so and awakens Ho-oh. Once you Catch the Beasts and want to go catch Ho-oh you have to beat him first. Later he can re-battled at the League.

The main Villain is once against Archer who wants to catch the Legendary Beasts and awaken Ho-oh in order to Ressurect Giovanni (he believes his Boss is dead). He generally dislikes Johto, hence him using only Kanto Pokemon.

There are 3 Extra specialists:
1. Valerie -since it's heavily hinted Valerie is from Johto, she is one of the Kimono Girls who firstly has Eevee but later becomes a Fairy-type specialist.
2. Janine - our well-known Koga's daughter went to Johto to further learn about the Poison types.
3. Maizie - Kurt's Grandaughter who wants to become a Water-type specialist. Maizie's Corsola is actually Kurt's Corsola from the past brought back by a Celebi with the help of Ethan/Kris (as she is the female protagonist here). I chosen Lyra's design for Mazie as I though the design is nice.

>>58043253
>true johto dex
>galarian and alolan regional forms
off a mad start
>eusine not using electrode and hypno
>archer: randomize x6 pokemon team edition
>dex missing miltank's gender and theme counterpart tauros
i am confused

>>58040803 (OP)
>Falkner: Spearow, Farfetch'd
none of the new birdmons really suit falkner except maybe murkrow, but using two members of the Pidgey line is retarded when it got so much attention in gen 1.
>Bugsy: Ledyba, Spinarak, Scyther
replace the two cocoons with pokemon that can do shit. ledyba gets both screens at level 25, but if you don't want to go that high it can still confuse with supersonic. spinarak has night shade for consistent damage, scary face to lower speed, and ideally its learnset would be tweaked so it keeps poison sting at a higher level.
>Whitney: Snubbull, Clefairy, Miltank
Whitney's team is honestly fine as-is but Snubbull fits her personality well and it's a pokemon that is otherwise extremely forgettable. Clefairy has to stay because of the gym.
>Morty: Gastly, Haunter, Misdreavus, Gengar
an obvious answer, but a correct one nonetheless.
>Chuck: Primeape, Heracross, Poliwrath
wrestling stag beetle pairs well with big fat man. Hitmontop is a bad choice for him. if you're going to have two fighting specialists, you need to differentiate them somehow. Bruno's team is all about discipline and technique with the hitmons, while Chuck's is centered around raw strength.
>Jasmine: Forretress, Magneton, Steelix
I feel like I should explain this one, but eh. you understand. it's pretty easy to understand, I think.
>Pryce: Delibird, Dewgong, Piloswine
Delibird actually learns a lot of moves through TMs, which ties into the theme of Pryce's whole team. Pryce's pokemon are weaker than those of Chuck and Jasmine, but he's an experienced trainer who knows how to make the most of them through TMs, egg moves, and held items. hopefully that will let him slot into either the 5th or 7th gym leader role, he should be equally difficult at any point in the game and I think the best way to do that is to have a boss that messes with the player somewhat.
>Clair: Gyarados, Dragonair, Dragonair, Kingdra
another team that's fine as-is. all style, no substance.

>>58043231
>Satoshi was an incompetent developer who didn't want to continue building a property he felt was effectively complete and satisfied his vision
Functionally untrue given development of Pokemon 2 started shortly after the release of RG, when the games sales were kind of dogshit before people glitched Mew
>forced to develop Pokemon 2 by TPC, an impassion project for which he was not even the best man for the job to begin with
TPC didn't exist in the remotest sense, Ishihara existing is about the extent of it as even Creatures wasn't restructured yet
>probably wanted to start making something else new
>Pokemon 2 beta is resultingly dogshit
It was arguably going in a somewhat better direction then Gen 1's many fumblings, but that does come with being based on a completed video game (arguably in Gen 1's case)
>suits panic and decide to have him replaced as lead and salvage what's already been made thus far
Given how development just fucking stopped for a while and they were working on shit like Blue and Yellow, I seriously doubt that's what happened. Priorities probably just shifted, although I think the Porygon incident made them take that break before the fad hit the rest of the world.
>Junichi chosen due to prior displays of competence and trustworthiness
I dunno, but he is basically the only one with an actual degree in anything related to computers so that's remotely believable
>actually likes Pokemon so he's happy to takeover
It seems more like he likes being able to make a popular video game, which isn't a slight against him, I'm sure we'd all love to do that. The game that captures the spirit of Pokemon arguably the most is Gen 2, and it seems unintentional half the time.
>between the dogshit starting material and corporate meddling, forced to press forward with what would become the worst game(s) in the classic series
We're not talking about DP
>gets it shipped in time even though sales tank predictably
That image you posted says the exact opposite.

>>58043231
>>58043487
>like Itsuno can't have this define his legacy
>goes all out for the 3rd entry (with actually well-informed design principles and dedication) which defines the course of the rest of the series's future and cements its place in video game history as the biggest gaming franchise in the world
It's more likely he just wanted to make the video game he thought was a good idea, which is why RS has a really solid campaign in spite of a lot of weird decisions. And yeah, he's fucked up a lot since then between FRLG's baffling decisions, DP existing and the remake being worse, but he did a lot of solid stuff with BW just being really solid and XY at least creating an asset pipeline that should have worked if Ohmori wasn't a frankly baffling director (the big warning sign should have been the island trials being made during the debugging phase).

>>58042885
Scyther for sure.
No trainers used one in Red, Blue, or Yellow

>>58041496
This is much better, but personally I’d give Falkner Natu and Murkrow, and I’d give Bugsy Yanma. Whitney could also have Togetic.
Also evolve Karen’s Sneasel and Murkrow for the first battle too.

>>58041702
Teddiursa is cute.

>>58040803 (OP)
Are they really infamous or are you just starting a genwar thread. Because it seems like you're just starting a genwar thread.

Falkner: Hoothoot, Doduo, Pidgeotto
Bugsy: Beedrill, Butterfree, Scyther
Whitney: Jigglypuff, Snubbull, Clefairy, Miltank
Morty: Gastly, Haunter, Misdreavus, Gengar
Pryce: Seel, Delibird, Dewgong, Jynx, Piloswine
Chuck: Primeape, Heracross, Poliwrath, Hitmontop, Machamp
Jasmine: Magnemite, Skarmory, Magneton, Scizor, Steelix
Clair: Dragonair, Dragonair, Dragonair, Dragonair, Kingdra

>>58041271
This excuse is so fucking cringy, didn't realise showing 8 new gen pokemon was showing all the new pokemon.
Fucking retard.

>>58040803 (OP)

Falkner - Pidgey, Hoothoot
Bugsy - Spinarak, Metapod, Scyther
Whitney - Meowth, Jigglypuff, Miltank
Morty - Haunter, Misdreavus, Gengar
Chuck - Heracross, Primeape, Hitmontop
Jasmine - Magneton, Skarmory, Steelix
Pryce - Sneasel, Dewgong, Piloswine
Clair - Seadra, Gyarados, Dragonair, Kingdra

>>58040803 (OP)
>progressively more pokemon
That is stupid, if everything after Ecruteak can be done out of order it shouldn't be layed out like a linear progression

>>58041271
what is your problem? yeah, the umbreon in morty and the mantine in clair sucks, but showing off new pokemon is almost the point of a gym, moreso than a skill check even. theyre a sign that says "this cool shit? available somewhere kinda closeby! get hunting!"

Something like this, admittedly I always want to include Pokemon from later generations that would enhance the theming a bit more. I'm also not to fussed about type adherence hence why quite a few have less than a majority of what's supposed to be their type speciality.

>>58044957
This, but give everyone except Bugsy one more pokemon, and Pryce gets two more

>>58044995
Spinarak, Pineco and Ledian are a perfect Team for Bugsy (his badge is shaped like a Ladybug

>>58042570
>What the fuck did you do to Bruno?
The idea of a buff martial artist now using fairy types for absolutely no reason is really fucking funny, ok

>dude what if I overthink gym leaders in a game for kids. Wouldn't it be truly epic if instead of ghost they had like...metaphorical ghost pokemon? Woahh dude. What if they had different types to cover their weaknesses like a real person so it's harder like Dark Souls? Woahhh.
Must be tough living as a pseud.

I tried to make the teams keep to theme while giving them more coverage.

Give me a template

>>58046527
>noooo stop trying to fix johturd or ill type like a fat retarded faggot trying too hard to be meta!!!!!
the absolute state of johtimmies

>>58046627
timmies can't cope that their hick shithole region is a considered a joke by game freak

i thought I had one of these lying around. Time to get in on the action.

>>58046687
I would probably put Paldean Tauros on Chuck's Team now instead of Hsuian Sneasel. Maybe the Fighting/Fire one. Sneasel doesn't really match his energy.

Does anybody have a template or two?

>>58040803 (OP)
it was already fixed, stadium2 was the real challenge. No one ever brings it up?