Give me 1 (ONE) good reason why anyone should give a shit about Liko and Roy as characters.

>>58041832 (OP)
Because people might like them for their characteristics or their antics?

>>58041832 (OP)
Serious take: I actually watched the beginning of the show when it was ongoing and I got the impression that Roy felt really out of place and shoehorned into the story in a lame way and Dot felt unnecessary as well.

OLM did a kinda decenct job with introducing Liko's perspective as a solo trainer when the whole narration revolved around her in particular and her inner dialogue and stuff.

When the added Roy and Dot it got exponentially worse because it became like the Ashnime but without Ash, his friends or the tournaments AND the cool feeling of exploring the Pokemon World from Liko's perspective was lost because they started wasting half of the episode screentime on Roy's lame cliche crap, at least Ash had the attitude, the charisma, the determination, but Roy's just bland in general so it's boring. Dot is a non character with her lame and expressionless personality, they should have just kept it at Liko as the solo MC

>>58041862
>Liko and Roy + the nu-anime’s donut steels
>likable “characteristics” and “antics”
don’t let the coralfag delude you just as he deluded himself into liking this trash

>>58041832 (OP)
There isnt any. Roy is a cheap Ash rip-off and Liko is a "chosen one" with a powerful ancestor that was beyond bullshit Tobias-level with a team of legendaries one of which was a fucking shiny for no reason, another uber legendary in her pendant, calms down legendaries with leaves, somehow wins battles against powerful trainers with a base starter and other bullshit. Even the story is boring as hell, with some horseshit about some magical land and drama between a bunch of literalwhos in the past that they expect anyone to give two shits about. Now Roy has taken over with his copypaste Ash team going around steamrolling champions out of nowhere.

>>58041832 (OP)
Because their angles and perspectives provide a cool difference of looking into the Pokemon world. Ludlow giving them the redpill about time bringing changes in his hometown that has removed a lot of the stores he remembers from the last time he placed his foot in it, the conflict with being happy once reaching a certain goal in life like Friede with his professor gig keeping him on desk duty. Both of them opened up a fair change in perspective for the two kids. Probably the earliest instance that I liked about it the most was in Murdock's episode with his fellow baker friend who he had a pretty dispute with over the Alcreamie and how it's preference for Murdock's sweets caused a wedge, showcasing that even adults can fumble with minor parts from their past.

But to keep it more so on Liko and Roy explicitly, the former is just complete new ground but a more collected mindset as her inner monologue fades out overtime as she gets her inner shit together. Roy is basically wanting to get away from his monotone life that has become his home on the island, with the outside world being a new level of difference to him and how different backgrounds can meet and mix with one another.

>>58041865
>because it became like the Ashnime but without Ash
Yeah, I also remember how they spend 20 years having Roy not fully settling into being a pov character or a developing trainer and failing at both.

Nice try though.

>>58041832 (OP)
>Give me 1 (ONE) good reason why anyone should give a shit about Liko and Roy as characters.
So we can meme their way into Death Battle after Ash vs Yugi, I've been waiting 20 years for that

>>58042003
>Yeah, I also remember how they spend 20 years having Roy not fully settling into being a pov character or a developing trainer and failing at both.
If this is the best argument you can make
>But muh years
You're doing an aweful job at defending your slop, nice try tho

Give me 1 (ONE) good reason why anyone should give a shit about the pokemon anime

>>58042019
>If this is the best argument you can make
Explaining the fundamental difference between the ashnime and horizon(or any regular anime for that matter) is a good way to explain the difference between teh ashnime and horizon, yeah.

>You're doing an aweful job at defending your slop
Wasting 20+ years is objectively worse than wasting 2.

>>58041865
>OLM did a kinda decenct job with introducing Liko's perspective as a solo trainer when the whole narration revolved around her in particular and her inner dialogue and stuff.
You basically describing a Mary Sue.

>>58042039
So you don't have any real argument? Nice to know you know your slop is trash too but can cope with muh years to feel better

>>58042068
Even the influencer you took the words "Mary Sue" from knows that just describes a main character.
You just have never seen a functional one.

>>58042078
>ashfag telling anyone else to cope

>>58041928
>Roy has taken over with his copypaste Ash team going around steamrolling champions out of nowhere.
See that's what I don't like about roy why get rid of ash when you just make another ash?
>Liko is a "chosen one" with a powerful ancestor that was beyond bullshit Tobias-level with a team of legendaries one of which was a fucking shiny for no reason
People called ash a "chosen one" but it was never this bad.
>>58041865
>Dot is a non character with her lame and expressionless personality
I actually like dot she's at least a new archetype in the anime at least for a main character. She's got more going on than ash Ketchum clone #2 and girl that's blander than white bread. I'm actually seeing character progression that I'm not seeing from liko and roy I don't even know what they're doing what's the goal exactly? What are their goals? I don't know dots goal but I can at least tell that she's growing as a character unlike the other two.

>>58042122
>why get rid of ash when you just make another ash?
If that were the case then you wouldn't be so mad.
>character progression that I'm not seeing from liko and roy
Aside from the fact that you very clearly don't watch the show, why is "character progression" suddenly important?

>What are their goals?
Both their long-term goals and specially their short-term plot related goals are spelled out multiple times.

>>58042133
>why is "character progression" suddenly important?
Are you asking me why I think characters should progress and grow in a serialized show? Are you saying it's not important? I'm saying it's important cause what's the point of watching if nothing changes?

>>58042020
You get to see the pokemon animated more than in the games.

>>58041832 (OP)
The most hilarious thing is that this was supposed to be them moving from Ashslop but they never really did.
and the left brown character is really them being bitter they couldn't continue the series with the nonbinary femboy.

Getting the Eureka Seven people on this was a waste of resources.

>>58042148
>Are you asking me why I think characters should progress and grow in a serialized show?
Yes
> Are you saying it's not important?
No
>I'm saying it's important cause what's the point of watching if nothing changes?
You didn't say that. Also, I said "suddenly", so you also have to address why it didn't matter for 20+ years and is now important.
You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

>>58041865
I think Dot is honestly more interesting a character than both Roy and Liko. Every time she gets a focus episode she does something cool, and any battles she's had have been better than either of those characters.

>>58042156
>I said "suddenly", so you also have to address why it didn't matter for 20+ years and is now important.
I never said it didn't matter. Where did you see me say that? I said in this new show that I'm not seeing any character development or progression from the two central characters I'm only seeing it from dot, that's what I said. It most certainly did matter 20+ years ago I never said it didn't. Stop trying to put words in my mouth you cum guzzling faggot.
>>58042160
>I think Dot is honestly more interesting a character than both Roy and Liko.
I really like her, I'm glad they didn't do another "I don't like pokemon" type character too bad they introduced a 4th main character just to draw more focus away from her.

>>58041832 (OP)
Give me one good reason why anyone should give a shit about Ash as a character

>>58042084
>Even the influencer you took the words "Mary Sue" from knows that just describes a main character.
You don't even know a main character is and you entire idea of protagonist comes from cringe isekai anime.

The protagonist is somebody the audience empathize with as they follow him in the story and I found nothing in Liko that audience can empathize. Ash maybe the protagonist on Ashnime but the entire anime did not revolve solely around him considering we don't even knew the definition of Pokemon Master and it took 23 years for him to win a league tournament. Instead the anime focus on his journey and people he met on his journey to explore the Pokemon world.

You basically insisted that the whole narration should revolve on Liko as the sole trainers. That is not a main character, that is a Mary Sue.

>>58042240
His pokemon are cool, if that counts.

>>58042224
Yeah, it's a shame she's fighting for screentime even more now. That said, the new guy is honestly also more interesting than Roy lol

>>58042240
He had an actual drive & motivation , his personality was loveable, his goal was more interesting , he had fun dynamic with his companion, he is relatable and easy to empathize.

>>58042240
the story of a boy trying to win competition involving super powered monster and surpass his childhood rival is more interesting and understandable than the story of a girl's journey to find a mythical place to meet her 100 year old ancestor or a boy desire to catch Rayquaza because he just want it.

>>58041832 (OP)
he's not coming back, and that's a good thing :)

>>58042240
I don't, he's utter dogshit as a character. Good thing he's gone.

>>58041832 (OP)
Liko is sexy.

>>58042240
Actual fuck up without special snowflake bloodline trying his best with a real love for Pokémon

>>58042224
>I never said it didn't matter.
Then were were you the last 20 years then?
>>58042263
>you entire idea of protagonist comes from cringe isekai anime.
You say this as if you're above that.

> Ash maybe the protagonist on Ashnime but the entire anime did not revolve solely around him
> Instead the anime focus on his journey

>You basically insisted that the whole narration should revolve on Liko as the sole trainers.
Not really.

>>58042331
Its odd
As a child, I remember Ash for being dumb and stupid but rewatching the old episode made me realize Ash was very smart and brave for his age.

>>58042363
He is dumb and stupid but his morals were always above average and so was his love for Pokémon and wanderlust

>>58042355
>Then were were you the last 20 years then?
I was 6.

>>58042374
You stopped being 6 in 2023? Are you Ash?

>>58042272
>He had an actual drive & motivation
No, he had no motivation, ash had no reason to become a "pokemon master"

>>58042020
They're 5 years old

>>58042317
>>58042325
the opinions of furfags and pedofags are worthless
just accept that you’re content with consuming literal slop for braindead children, the show literally insults the viewer’s intelligence by how basic and unimaginative it is.

>>58041832 (OP)
I don't care about male kids, but:

Liko dance~
Liko dance~

How's it?

>>58041832 (OP)
There's no reason at this point, their asses are about to be replaced with the Gen 10 protagonists.

deleting posts you don’t like won’t change the fact that:

1. Liko is a Mary Sue only liked by pedos
2. Roy is a husk that emulates Ash while trying to act different
3. Meowscarada shilling is laughably cringe

easy (you)s

>>58041832 (OP)
They're fun characters who actually go through character development, they get wiser and actually older too. I always wanted this from the Pokémon anime, because Pokémon is perfect for coming of age stories.
Liko is pretty boring at first, she's just a generic friendly "uwaaaah I'm so unsure about myself @_@" anime girl at the beginning, but she gets more personality and confidence as the show goes on. I also like how she's depicted as silly or stupid sometimes, like with her Gurumin fangirling. A lot of media tries too hard to make their protags tryhard and cool, but that's not the case in Horizons and that's nice. It's charming and gives her flaws.
Roy is a bit less likeable. He's very boring pre-timeskip, Fuecoco does the heavy lifting. The timeskip makes him a lot smarter and mature, which makes him a lot more tolerable. But I feel like we're still missing important bits of backstory about his Lucario and Ult.

I know spergs are gonna seethe at me for this, but they are much more interesting than Ash. There is an actual overarching plot that isn't just lazily regurgitating the game characters, and there are goals with stakes rather than just "hurr I wanna be da bestest battler". And he was a special snowflake too with his cringe ass Greninja. Still the only fucking character with a Battle Bond Pokémon. "Not a chosen one" my ass, fuck you. Don't even think about contesting me on this. I will not reply.

>>58042647

>They're fun characters who actually go through character development,
Character development? " I am a girl with magic bloodline" and "I train offscreen to become champion tier" ain't call character development. it is just cringe wish fulfillment fantasy for lazy people.
>
>Liko is pretty boring at first, she's just a generic friendly "uwaaaah I'm so unsure about myself @_@" anime girl at the beginning
She is still the same, 100 episode passed and she is still the same girl with no goal or motivation.

>The timeskip makes him a lot smarter and mature, which makes him a lot more tolerable.
You mean he became the inferior copy of Ash without the appeal and character development that made Ash popular.

>but they are much more interesting than Ash.

Ash had an actual goal and motivation to carry the show. Horizon practically has nothing, no league, no contest, no battle frontier , no Island trial, no PWC. no nothing. Ash wondering around aimlessly on MPM was more interesting than this.

Its as if TPG making the worst anipoke series on purpose to test if the anime has any relevancy at all before calling the shot.

>>58041832 (OP)
I can't believe how bad Roy is.
Liko is sometimes awkward and thinks a lot, so she's unique in that regard.
But Roy is a nothing character.
I gave him chance after chance, but after 100 episodes he's just so bland.
It doesn't help that they added a new character who is funny and entertaining either.

>>58042741
>It doesn't help that they added a new character who is funny and entertaining either.
Ult is neither funny nor entertaining though, hes an even bigger pest than Roy

>>58042741
>It doesn't help that they added a new character who is funny and entertaining either.
Ult is neither funny nor entertaining though, hes an even bigger pest than Roy

>>58042647
this whole thread is ashfag schizo babble anyway, don't bother and honestly I shouldn't have either. I won't come back to this thread.

>>58042755
Ash schizos are the biggest, most pathetic autists on this fucking board. Absolutely never engage with them, they live in their own fantasy world where Ash is their God. They have lost touch with reality.

>>58042774
as someone who mocked the Ashnime in XY and hated Greninja with a passion, only one out of touch with reality here is you. I can’t think of anything worse than to have your series revolve around a bunch of OCs instead of game characters, and then have the main OC be a super duper special nepo baby with everything at her disposal.

the main hallmark of Ash, at least the classic one, is that his pokemon are all quirky and strange, and he wasn’t guaranteed a victory because he’s not the descendant of any historical legend, he’s just a kid from the boonies.

>>58042799
Liko lost several battles.
>muh OC
Buzzword. Every single character is an "orignal character", including Ash.

You really are all the same.

We already know that RVT will eventually stop The Explorer so what is the point of the series?

>>58042832
>Liko lost several battles.
Because she does not even care about battling and haven't used her Terapagos in its Steller form.

>Every single character is an "orignal character", including Ash.
Ash was party based on Red and all his companion were from the game except Goh.

>>58042377
No they asked where I was 20 years ago, I was 6 in 2005

>>58041832 (OP)
Liko is hot but you're right about Roy.

>>58041832 (OP)
>Give me 1 (ONE) good reason why anyone should give a shit about Liko and Roy as characters.
While true, you're not supposed to focus on them as characters, you're supposed to focus on Liko's delicious silky teenage thighs. Roy is just there for plausible deniability.

>>58042240
>Give me one good reason why anyone should give a shit about Ash as a character
Oh come on.
Maybe he overstayed his welcome, but the show caught on for good reason. The adventure, surviving the elements, releasing Pokemon back into nature for their sake. There was a lot of heart.

>>58042931
>20 years ago=the last 20 years
explains why you're an ashfag

>>58042799
>at least the classic one
Ash is Ash. If you got to XY you're on the ashfag boat.

>>58043147
There was none of this left once the Hoenn arc started. That's also why almost no one was watching anymore at that point.

>>58042832
Ash loses championships, he also didn’t start out with legendaries and shiny mega evolutions and was NOT a nepo baby.
>Every single character is an "orignal character", including Ash.
Damn, guess all Likofags are this deluded and stupid, huh? Ash is essentially just Red, and all his companions (until Galar) were game characters. You had motivation to actually give a shit about these characters, because they exist and matter, it’s like peering into an additional dimension of their personalities.
I literally could not give a single damn about Liko, or Roy, or Dot, or Coral, or any of these meaningless OCs that the writers self-insert into and make them buzz around do pointless shit.

>>58043147
>Maybe he overstayed his welcome
that never happened and never would happen
they torpedo'd his momentum in gen 6 and then presented dogshit for the rest of the time using him
they could dust him off next year and go back to the xyz formula of taking him more seriously and everyone would start trickling back in
to many people ash is pokemon

>>58043394
All I ever wanted for Ash is to see him age up with each season, it would’ve reflected his growth a lot better.

>>58041832 (OP)
I think it's boring. They should make a show with AU Ash and Jimmy/Gold/Ethan. Make it like a Pokemon version of S-Cry-Ed featuring two trainers who constantly grow powerful until it's time for their final battle.

>>58043402
that kinda did happen until gen 7's and gen 8's regression

Ash is nothing like Red except vaguely similar in outer appearance. They are nothing alike. Pathetic cope. Ash is literally an anime only OC.
Also, no Ashfag could ever justify Ash-Greninja.

>>58042706
>Ash wondering around aimlessly on MPM was more interesting than this.
He was doing the badge quest and then went on a Ho-oh sidequest.

>>58041832 (OP)
they shouldn't have made him dark skinned.

>>58043015
>>58043059
That’s a kid less than half your age

>>58042355
>You say this as if you're above that
anon most people are above that, even on 4chan. you basically just admitted he was right that that's where your idea of a protagonist comes from, so why should anyone listen to what you have to say

>>58042154
Had you actually watched the show you'd have known that the story is very much about Liko, with Roy really just being there because they're afraid little boys won't watch the show if the only main characters were girls. You could easily write him out of the show without any difficulty, he contributes almost nothing and nobody really cares about him except the aforementioned little boys that need a boy to identify with.

>>58043438
>anon most people are above that
Kek no, ashfags aren't. Its why they struggle to understand a show as simple as Horizons.
>you basically just admitted he was right that that's where your idea of a protagonist comes from
Not really. Its because you can't read that you're an ashfag.

>>58043372
Yeah, I also recall seeing Red lose in Sinnoh.

>>58043423
this
>>58043436
beauty is an objective quality

>>58043477
Nah, it’s not about little boys, Liko’s existence is about appeasing the pedos who actually keep watching this boring show.

>>58041832 (OP)
If you don't like Liko and don't watch her show every week, you might be a homosexual.

>>58043555
I'm homosexual and I watch her show

>>58043555
>if you’re not a nonce, you’re gay

>>58043579
I said what I said. Which are you?

>>58041865
It's really obvious their passion lay with Liko and making a female MC, but they didn't wanna scare away all the Jap elementary school boys.
Picture is a 9 y/o boys reaction to a fully female fronted show.

>>58043160
>>20 years ago=the last 20 years
>explains why you're an ashfag
Because I was a child when I watched the anime? What's your point exactly, Did you expect me to be 40 or something?
>You were a child when you watched a children's cartoon? Hmph average ashfag

>>58043909
>Did you expect me to be 40 or something?
I expect you to be old enough to understand that 2005-2025 isn't the same as 2005.
2005-2025 is a range of years which includes a lot of years that aren't 2005 such as 2009 or 2014. I could explain further but that already looks too complex to you.

>>58043477
>>58043712
This.
It's really easy to tell when some fag bitching about the show has never actually watched it, since they all tend to assume Roy is the mc.

Cringe is adults care about this shit yikes not even tpc cares about the tranime, they barely show it in the presents, it only exist because sponsors like tv tokyo shopro still get money from it

Liko is the Rey of Pokemon

Even if Ash came back his Pikachu, Gengar, Dragonite, Charizard, Arctovish, Sirfetched would still job hard

>>58042618
True

>>58041832 (OP)
Liko is hot

>>58042240
he’s not a chosen one special little boy, just a kid with a passion and a drive.

Because of Horizons, whatever excuse the anime had for Ash or any other characters not to catch the main and third legendary pokémon has died.

>>58043407
>AU Ash
You mean the Mary Sue version of Ash? He was the red flag of how bad new protagonist going to be.

>>58041928
I agree, I knew this shit was bad when a fucking leafage from Sprigatito had the same power and animation sound as a fucking hyper beam. against a pokemon its weak against mind you.

>>58043412
Brock should have got a Brock-Vulpix battle bond form

>>58044578
>Lugia movie
>Lucario movie
>only person in the franchise to achieve Battle Bond
He's absolutely a special snowflake, cope

>>58044903

>>Lugia movie
Dub only, the original Japanese version mentioned any exceptional trainer and Ash was the nearest.
>>Lucario movie
And what did Ash do there?
>>only person in the franchise to achieve Battle Bond
It was more Greninja's special ability than Ash who was simply patient and empathetic enough to work with Froakie.

>>58045065
>he got a special snowflake Froakie that only he could use
Same shit

>>58045079
Wrong because it wasn't handed to him. Many trainers had their chances and they choose to abandoned it instead of work with Froakie. Ash actually trained Froakie and helped it reach its potential which showcase Ash's talent as a trainer.

More importantly, Ash had to release it to fix somebody else's mistake.

>>58045065
"Ash" is also dub only.

>>58041832 (OP)
Because if you're bored and dumb enough to give this show a chance you may as well pick someone to like in the bare minimum sense.

>>58044190
Show me one official frame that supports this claim. This is 120% easy for Sango but I have yet to be convinced set the protag.

>>58041832 (OP)
I still don't understand why they haven't done a proper anime series for Pokemon Adventure, which is exactly what the current target for pokemon (age30+) would want. There's not enough to milk it for the eternity? Yeah, i thought so.

>>58045124
Dude let's be real. Calling Ash "Satoshi" just feels hella wrong on an intuitive linguistic level. Like this is the Pokemon board, not /a/ where people obsess over subs and stuff

>>58045135
the only people who watch this shitty show are pedos anyway, see the replies above and you’ll see what I mean

>>58045216
>Like this is the Pokemon board, not /a/ where people obsess over subs and stuff
Right, so why are you making a point out of the fact that something was dub only?

>>58045138

>>58045244
I hope you're differentiating pedos and lolicons in this context, because Paldea has no one for lolicons to latch onto. Poppy is proof that even lolicons have standards.

> Arven gets one minute of screentime
> Nemona was treated as a jobber than a champion.
> Penny & Iono only appear in the series to assist Dot and the series does not bother exploring their character & backstory.
> Carmine's entire role was to be joke to make Friede look cool .
> Geeta treated even worst then the game.
Is it me or Horizons has zero respect for the game characters? Its as if writing staff hates them for taking attention away from their precious Rising Volt Tackler and Ancient Adventuers.

>>58041832 (OP)
they're sexy

>>58045952
I've already seen the game characters in the game
I want to see new characters and stories not the same shit but regurgitated as an anime and infantilized

>>58045993
Liko and Dot are. Not Roy.

>>58046015
No, Roy is too since the timeskip

>>58045148
>There's not enough to milk it for the eternity?
It has been ongoing longer than the literal ashnime.
And its not hard to add filler.
But it'd make no sense to adapt the plots of all previous gens now.


>>58045952
Why is that a problem now?

>>58045148
Because anime exists to promote brands or merch, and there's no real money in animating an old Pokemon manga. The Pokemon brand is much better served with an original anime that can promote the currently relevant mons and games.

>>58046006
>I've already seen the game characters in the gam
Game =/= Anime
By your logic there is no reason to make an anime series.

>Why is that a problem now?
Simply asking this question has proven you are not a Pokemon fan.

>>58045344
Legit kill yourself, they’re the same meaning.

Worst thing is that the anime always has collection of amazing characters to use & explore from the game but they waste them to shove some bland, uninteresting & boring OC that nobody can empathize. Simply adding Marine as a lead girl and Bede as a referring side rival would have improve JN series but the anime wasted them to shove Goh and Koharu. Even now , Team Star with Arven and Ash would have made a better cast for school anime handled like Sinnoh Summer Camp.. But instead we got the story of Liko and her magical bloodline shoved into people throat.

>>58046243
>By your logic there is no reason to make an anime series.
No, by my logic they should do an original story and not a retelling of the game story but much worse
Fucking dumbass

>>58046372
>they should do an original story and not a retelling of the game story
You mean exactly what they done with Ashinme for 26 years?

>>58046377
No you fucking retard
Ashitme did shitty retellings
Kill yourself

>>58046377
You literally praise the ashnime for not being an original story in this very thread.

>>58046391
>Ashitme did shitty retellings
I don't remember Original series ending with Ash singlehandedly taking out the entire Team Rocket Organization, defeat the Elite 4 and Gary on Indigo Plateau to become the first official champion of Kanto.

>>58046401
Wrong again, I praise the original series to taking elements from the game to write something better. In the game, Kanto gym leaders were just roadblock but the anime gave them more depth , personality and backstory to feel like an actual character.

>>58041832 (OP)
>good reason why anyone should give a shit about Liko
Likunny

>>58046415
>>58042843
>>58043372

>>58046425
A. Not even my post
B. The only thing he did was insisting Ash was based on Red. He did not say anything about Original series being better for following the game story because the original series was completely different than the game. Even League conference is made up by anime and wasn't in the game.

>>58046320
It’s a problem with newer writers in the animation industry treating characters like self-inserts to project their experiences, personalities, and personal traumas onto.

This isn’t unique to japanese animation either, Pixar’s own latest movie flopped because the movie is about the (former) director’s self-insert instead of someone or something interesting. The people at the helm 20-30 years ago are infinitely more creative than the ones in control now.

should have just stuck with ash and not write him like a complete retard all the time

>>58041832 (OP)
>Made under a "real anime" staff unlike the ashnime
Did it even live to the hype of that? I remember that being spammed the first months and then another one saying all the old ashnime staff left for even more "real" anime staff and Yajima fucked off too or something.

>>58046479
If you didn’t know, the animation’s budget was cut recently and was subcontracted to other studios overseas. You can easily tell the difference between newer and older episodes.
It’s genuinely funny how XY and SM seasons of Ashnime has straight up better quality.

>>58046503
>the animation’s budget was cut recently and was subcontracted to other studios overseas
To be fair I think that happens to long running series which are basically extinct nowadays, they're probably saving the budget for the next big climax.

>>58046479
>a "real anime" staff
Please, Dai Satō had only one popular anime called Eureka Seven which he ruined by revealing the entire original Eureka Seven to be a Dream in the movie.

>>58046479
>Did it even live to the hype of that?
Yes, the show is actually written and the staff has an actual idea for what they want the show to be.

>>58046533
That alone sounds better than the ashnime.

>>58046579
>Yes, the show is actually written and the staff has an actual idea for what they want the show to be
A self inserted fanfic on special snowflake protagonist getting everything handed to them?
Go and watch cringe Isekai anime if you like those type of show.

>That alone sounds better than the ashnime.
You mean completely destroy a beloved series because its sequels can not match up to it.

>>58046596
cope

>>58046406
Yeah because that would've been at least JUST a retelling
I said that Ashitme did SHITTY retelling of the games you illiterate fuck, learn to fucking read shit-for-brains holy fuck

Plot of Horizon but --
-- Ash & Dawn are the main characters
-- Dawn buys Terapagos's pendent from a merchant , no special ancestor.
-- The goal is to send Terapagos back to its home.
-- No Lucius, the legendary heroes are wild pokemon acting as the guardian of rakua that Ash must defeat in battle to get piece of a map that leads to Rakua.
-- No Rakulium, Gibeon's goal is to use Terapagos to bring a past version of his dead daughter back permanently before the accident but messing with time & space has terrible consequance.
-- Dawn and Dot will make an extrovert introvert pair with both sharing a bird water pokemon starter.

>>58046704

>Ashitme did SHITTY retelling of the games
> Didn't even follow the story of the game
> retelling of the game.
Its painfully obvious that you don't even know what retelling actually mean. Original series used elements & characters of the game to tell an original story.

>>58046728
>used elements & characters of the game
That literally disqualifies it from being ORIGINAL dumbfuck
Also aren't you the faggot who complains about the Horizons character's being "OCs" aka "ORIGINAL characters"? So is being ORIGINAL good or bad you hypocritical piece of shit retard?

>>58046813
>That literally disqualifies it from being ORIGINAL
Not its doesn't when it didn't even followed the game story. OC only stand for characters that are originated entirely from the anime and they tends to be a hit or miss.

>>58046713
>the guardian of rakua that Ash must defeat in battle to get piece of a map that leads to Rakua
That should be a non-issue for a champion-tier Ash.

>>58046839
It followed the games story and progression pretty fuckin closely, always the same bullshit with the badges
Just cause it wasn't the exact same story doesn't mean it's not a half-assed babified retelling, that's why it's so dogshit
It took the game stories and made them even worse
Absolute fucking garbage, imagine defending this uninspired boring dogshit for babies who are too retarded to play the games

>seething this hard
So it flopped I take it

>>58046903
>It followed the games story and progression pretty fuckin closely
It followed nothing since Team Rocket was still active and Gary was knock out of Indigo league before reaching the main tournament.

>>58046954
Yes, ash flopped, that's why he was retired.

I at least appreciate how the Ash anime used to adapt elements from the games. Like turning the copycat girl into a Ditto enthusiast, the Safari warden into a gun wielder, having the SS Anne hijacked by TR, tying Fuji and Mewtwo's story with TR, incorporating a lot of the details from the Pokemon guidebook that was released in 1996, turning the pokecenter Jigglypuff into a recurring character.

>>58041832 (OP)
They should have given her a full series her one episode depicted the Pokemon world 100 times better than either Horizons or the Ashime

>>58047204
>japanese name is Tsubomi
Imagine her having Erika as her traveling companion