Why did Megaevolution succeed where other gimmicks didn't? Teras is the best mechanically but it's the ugliest, okay, but why did Z-moves and specially Dynamax flop so hard?

>succeed
Gimping team composition is the opposite of success which is why GF pivoted to make sure EVERYONE could use the new mechanics from Gen VII onward

Succeed in ruining designs

>>58072406 (OP)
requiring an item slot took commitment and made that Pokemon feel more like a shouldermon/ace than something that you can just use on anyone at anytime

>>58072406 (OP)
Megas came with a new design, new stats, sometimes new typings/abilities
GMax was essentially purely cosmetic, they each had a unique move but they usually sucked

>Why did going Super Saiyan succeed unlike gay tik tok dancing literally it just gets bigger meme kaijuu without anything that makes kaijuu good and a ring pop on your head
It's a mystery.

>>58072504
This. Megas are basically new pokemon, gigas are just dynamax with an alt skin.

>>58072517
>The so called "Super saiyan forms" in question:

>>58072532
And Super Saiyans are just Saiyans with blonde hair. Your point?

>>58072528
>This. Megas are basically new pokemon
Yeah they changed kangaskhan into kangaskhan

>>58072535
The so called "Saiyans with blonde hair" are less of an eyesore when compared to aerodactyl even comparing aerodactyl to super Saiyans is an insult to Saiyans as a whole

Due to being the first "gimmick", Megas didn't feel like a gimmick. It was assumed at the time that they were a new type of evolution that would stick around going forward.
They only really became a gimmick retroactively after they were dropped and replaced with a new shitty alt-form mechanic.

It meant people let themselves get attached to Megas in a way they didn't bother with the others because then we KNEW they'd only be around for one generation.

>>58072532
>spikier, more demonic-looking Aerodactyl
Yup, close enough to vagely call it SS form. Why are you so mad?

Funny how megakeks thinks dragonite isn't like the older megas when 90% of them are just older pokemon but with more shit slapped on it lol

>>58072542
This is also a huge factor

>>58072544
>demonic-looking Aerodactyl
Looks like they took aerodactyl's PNG and started scribbling on it because they couldn't think of something original lmao

>>58072549
>Looks like they took aerodactyl's PNG and started scribbling on it because they couldn't think of something original
Literally what happened with sharpedo as well KEK

>>58072549
>looks like they took Vegeta's PNG and paintbucket'd him yellow lmao
Again, why are you so mad?

Gamefreak really thought giving heracross a ventilation vent on the crotch was a good design choice
now your heracross can fart from the crotch!

>>58072542
lmao no, nobody knew Ultra Necrozma and the Z moves wouldn't be around next gen and nobody cared

>>58072556
>Slapping hair on vegeta when he already has hair
lol

For some reason GF wants to keep this retarded gimmick. I'm honestly not down for it.

Regional forms are the best idea they've they created. Stick with that instead of digivolving pokemon during battle.

>>58072561
the Ultra Necrozma fight and theme song is probably the most iconic part of gen 7

Never forget

>>58072564
Who said anything about slapping hair on Vegeta illiteratebro?

>>58072573
>She has to derail the conversation because she can't defend mega aerodactyl
lol

>>58072568
Those all look like shit and even more edgy than the shit we already got. Glalie especially looks like something an emo 13 year old boy would make

>>58072406 (OP)
>Why did Megaevolution succeed where o-
>BUT I DON'T LIKE MEGAS
>Okay but that's not what I a-
>DIDN'T YOU HEAR ME? I SAID I DON'T LIKE MEGAS!
>Then why are you he-
>LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OF A MEGA I DISLIKE!

>>58072578
>Those all look like shit and even more edgy than the shit we already got.
Ok gamefreak defender
>Glalie especially looks like something an emo 13 year old boy would make
Who could have guessed that a 13 years old has more knowledge of the oni inspiration for glalie instead of making it a shartyjack

>>58072536
No, they changed the baby into a teen Kangaskhan that fights along the mother. You should stick to spamming poorly made memes

>>58072587
>The only things that changes between kangaskhan and mega kangaskhan is just her accessory
lmao

>>58072581
It's literally one guy, stop giving him attention and he will kill himself

>>58072576
>oh damn he noticed I didn't even read what he said I better cry louder
Good boy.

No wonder charizard X is the only popular mega form

>>58072598
Who are you even quoting schizo?

>>58072568
That Ampharos is clearly a fan made Gigantamax. It literally had the red clouds. The Mega Heracross fanart is clearly based on the real thing.

>>58072601
>That Ampharos is clearly a fan made Gigantamax.
And even that works better for a mega form stormy cloud because of electricity + sheep wool is way more original
>The Mega Heracross fanart is clearly based on the real thing.
Correct it's a fanart that fixes that abomination ruined on purpose

>the only gen without megas ever since they were introduced is the worst gen ever
Coincidence? I don't think so.

>>58072406 (OP)
Regardless on your opinions of specific mega designs, it was popular and then they threw it away next generation.
Only to be memory holed as a post-game gimmick in Sun-Moon.

Gen 7's Z-move gimmick, i think was a direct response to Yokai-Watch having access to Super Moves in battle, back when it was huge in Japan.
Obviously it makes sense to not have both gimmicks available during your initial playthrough, as Mega's are still more hype to most.

The ONLY new gimmick that could best even Mega's hype levels, would be Pokemon-Fusion gimmick , like Infinite Fusions.
Its not about moves, viability or whatever; for the avarage casual consumer, the ability to fucking fuse together your fav obscure Pokemon is the greatest thing ever.

>>58072612
The lack of megashit isn't what makes galar terrible

I can't believe even after Z-A Charizard and Mewtwo are still the only ones with two megas

>>58072406 (OP)
I feel its the most open about how the mechanic is gonna favour certain mon over others, like the rest try and act like they are for everyone but they benefit using your one use on the same few mon in teams that gives best effect. And by doing that and thus giving (generally good) new designs make it stand out more. Also was not as obviously a one gen gimmick.

>>58072568
you wanted cool well you are fucked

>>58072616
>it was popular and then they threw it away next generation.
no it wasn't retard

>>58072616
>then they threw it away next generation
Anon gen 7 had megas. In fact they got rid off Z-moves BEFORE getting rid of megaevolution, it wasn't until macrofalco shit that they removed Megas

>>58072406 (OP)
>Why did Megaevolution succeed where other gimmicks didn't?
It was the first one.
No really. That’s it.
Design wise, Tera is more mechanically interesting, and Gigantamax is easily better visually.
But Mega was flashy and new. Z-Moves were obviously never going to be as big of as transforming your whole mon, and by the time we got to Dynamax, everyone was already sick of gimmicks.

>>58072711
No it's not. Some people want Tera to stick precisely because it's good mechanically, and some actually wouldn't mind of Z-moves because the status ones are also tricky >>58072711
stead of a boring one turn nuke, but nobody wants dynashit to stick nor would have wanted it if they did it before because it's giant pokemon without all the good things that would come from actual kaiju fights, and with three retardly broken nukes instead

>>58072406 (OP)
Because it's cool. That's it. None of the other gimmicks have been cool.

>Z-moves
Huge flop of a gimmick. So bad that even the TCG didn't include it as a mechanic.

>Dynamax
Literally just get bigger. Gigantamax forms didn't feel special because it was the exact same as Dynamax but with 1 move change.

>Tera
Looks dumb as fuck. It doesn't matter if it's a good competitive gimmick, it's visually fucking retarded.

>>58072732
Pretty sure TCG didn't include Z-moves because it's not a different state like mega, primal, ultra, tera, dyna or giga

>>58072711
>and Gigantamax is easily better visually.
maybe if they didn't have a dogshit red aura filter over everything and weren't giant

>>58072650
They're the most popular outside of maybe Lucario, no other mons with Negas are worthy enough to have two like them

>>58072773
*Megas

>>58072406 (OP)
Mega evolutions are just "what if a fully evolved Pokemon could go even further by using what are essentially evolution stones made from the lifeforce of other Pokemon" and that's something that fits much pretty naturally in the world of Pokemon. It feels more akin to regional variants and way less like a gimmick than "what if you could use a supercharged move of each type by using the energy from the light Necrozma used to have" and "the dynamax/terastal phenomenon makes Pokemon transform into giants/another type from the energy of a legendary from outer space because it can."

>>58072679
considering LGPE was meant to be the gateway between GO casualfags into the main series i'm surprised it has mega evolution since it was axed the very next gen

Most people love crossgen evos. But if the design does not appeal to you megas are a lot easier to ignore without intentionally gimping yourself.

Z-Moves and Dynamax simply aren't as appealing and memorable as new evolutions.

>>58072406 (OP)
You needed to go out of your way to find a gmax raid for that Pokemon because they only added soups in the DLC and you could only use them in like 15 battles during the story. Megas covered a bunch of popular shillmon and you didn't have to replace the Mawile you caught before the second gym with one later on to use its mega evo.

>>58072528
>Megas are basically new pokemon
If you say so

>>58072406 (OP)
audino stick out like a sore thumb

>>58072901
Actually, no, *I* don't say so, it's GF the one saying Megas are new pokemon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_YC0MXJ-0

>is supposed to give weaker 'mons a fighting chance

>gives them to Charizard and some other pseudo-legendaries like Salamence

What did Gamefreak mean by this.

>>58072934
>>is supposed to give weaker 'mons a fighting chance
Who told you this?

>>58072925
>>58072901
And we know it's not a marketing thing because the tera leak shows them considering the full list of pokemon 749 because they would add "about 70 pokemon and 30 super evolutions".

>>58072934
>is supposed to give weaker 'mons a fighting chance
only people who missed the point of megas say this

>>58072937
In one of the interviews given by Gamefreak around the time X/Y and before ORAS came out. They were supposed to act as a buff for weak/non-viable pokemons to give them a fighting chance iirc.

>>58072938
You know gen 6 having only 72 new mons gets a little scot free because 48 megas add a total of 120 new pokemon... but gen 9 already has 120 new pokemon without counting the 26 new megas from Z-A.

>>58072934
oh yes kagnashan pidgeot audino mawhile beedril altaria absol sharpedo glalie lopunny pinsir camerupt and bannette were such meta threats

>>58072961
>40% of the dex is a gimmick

>>58072542
I guess that is a good part of it. Helps them feel even more substantial than they are.
A pokemon getting an entirely new battle form with a new design, stats, ability, typing, it's exciting and cool. I really did expect them to continue making megas.
Then they got put on hold for one time super moves that were frankly just kind of lame to use, and then thrown out entirely for pokemon but big for 3 turns. Tera's cool mechanically too but it looks retarded