Thread 58159276

Why are Megas so important for some people?

>>58159276 (OP)
They were kids when they came out. You don't know how hold the person on the other side of the screen is.

I do not know. I can tell you why they are not important to me, though.
1- They are yet another gimmick.
2- They give tools to Pokémon that usually don't need them and...
3- ...even when megas are given to other weaker Pokémon, like Beedrill, you still have it competing against much better megas for that one mega slot.

I would prefer a complete rebalance of all Pokémon that exist, as well as standardising for the rest of time.

>>58159276 (OP)
Shittermons get the opportunity to get an evolution they wouldn't get otherwise. Though the reality is that it's usually just starters, Legendaries and shillmons which makes up 80% of them.

>>58159276 (OP)
I grew up with them

>>58159276 (OP)
Because they elevate the Pokémon that get them to the stature of legendaries, and give them same protection and respect as the shillmons. and more often than not come with a substantial buff.

>>58159288
You can only use one mega, and shittermons will not realistically take that slot.
Either you revamp some shittermons or their moves, but this is not the way.

Mind you, some mons are meant to be shittermons or underpowered, but not to the degree they are.

>>58159298
The thing about megas is that only shittermons should get them in my opinion. If your BST is 500 or higher you shouldn't be eligible for a mega.
You are right about the restructuring of pokemon that are shitters but shouldn't be but ultimately I still think if you are going to keep shittermons, they should be the ones to get megas

>>58159276 (OP)
Because they're strong and give a sense of continuity for the series, like an old character suddenly receiving a power-up and becoming relevant again.

>>58159303
What would you qualify as a mega-elegible Pokémon that cannot be salvaged by rebalance?
To me that is Luvdisc and Unown are the only ones that are TRULY terrible. And there is no way to re-structure their stats while keeping in line with what they are mean to be. Even Ledian would be marginally better if it swapped its attack and Sp. Atk around.
They don't have to be the best options, but they have to be able to do something. Unown and Luvdisc cannot.

>>58159276 (OP)
Super Saiyan is cool

>>58159276 (OP)
They just make battles a little more interesting and it feels "cool" to transform your Pokemon.

>>58159303
>only shittermons should get them
this is a midwit opinion. Megas work best when they turn Pokemon that are already good into a Restricted-tier ace for your team. Pokemon needing Megas simply to be usable is garbage and just makes them awkward to use.

>>58159276 (OP)
Cool things are cool. Why are Evolutions important? Why do Digimon fans like powerful endcap Mega forms? Why do Dragon Ball fans like Super Saiyan?
>>58159280
>>58159285
Sadly DSzooms don't understand cool things and seethe, because the DS games didn't add anything cool or meaningful to the franchise. Just quickly discarded gimmicks like triple battles, or active detriments like the physical/special split.

>>58159547
>or active detriments like the physical/special split.
Stupidest opinion I have ever seen.

>>58159547
>active detriments like the physical/special split.
Thanks for letting me know you are not being serious

>>58159552
He's right though.

>bring back beloved Pokemon
>jack up their stats
>update their character design
No Megas no buy. Removing Megas is a huge nerf to my bros. You can't replace something like Mega Aggron with mememaxing.

>>58159547
Hilarious bait considering Triple Battles were around for 2 generations just like Megas. Also hilarious that the "detrimental" physical/special split has been around consistently, which includes the games containing Megas that you are glazing this very moment, lil bro.

>>58159276 (OP)
Some like it because:
>it's a peak battle shonen mechanic, what if mons could go super saiyan
>it's potentially copium that one of their favorite old monsters might win the mega evolution lottery

No way Pokemon players are genuinely asking why people get excited by mid-battle transformations. Ignoring that, it also makes more and more Pokemon worthy of being an "ace".

>>58159594
We didn't have any of that stuff the first 5 generations so I don't see why you aren't allowed to ask

>>58159303
>If your BST is 500 or higher you shouldn't be eligible for a mega.
Yeah because Meganium is so broken right?

>>58159547
Sceptile not benefitting from the phys/spec split doesn’t make it a bad mechanic. That’s just GameFreak being retarded and not giving it enough good moves.

>>58159276 (OP)
They're basically pokegods. none of those designs were good either but the idea was cool. Sadly in practice they don't live up to the hype.

>>58159547
>>58159610
That's because they made too many SLOW FRAIL MIXED ATTACKERS in gen 3 (Camerupt, Cacturne).
Sceptile is fast at the very least.

I’d like megas as a concept more if they looked more like actual evolutions instead of just the base pokemon with extra tacky bullshit stapled on top.

>>58159276 (OP)
I like the ones that shift the Pokemon's type or give it a different role with its ability
The other kinds are alright but Game Freak seems to have gotten over its fear of giving lines new evolutions so I'd prefer that in most cases

>>58159547
EVERYONE LAUGH AT THE HOENNBABY

I just hope the dex entries for Megas are beter than Gen 7's, I hated the "it hurts them" thing

>>58159276 (OP)

It was the most enjoyable generational gimmick and Im tired of people pretending we all dont want this. Sure they may have been imbalanced and Gamefreak may have given megas to shillmons and not Pokemon that actually need it, but I think that isnt a reason to ditch megas entirely. Its only a reason to make megas better.

>>58159552
Wow, physical/special split so good.
>special attackers continue having all good moves from the special types
>flying-type special attackers such as Charizard and..... uh.... Kanto birds get access to flying STAB in their stronger side
>Every fire-type is a mixed or special attacker
>Every water-type EXCEPT Kingler and Gyarados are mixed or special attackers
>Every poison-type is a physical attacker and they all get equally fucked in the ass because physical poison moves have shit distribution
>every steel-type is a physical attacker except Magneton (which wasn't even originally supposed to be steel)
>nothing changes for fighting, rock and ground types, the split might as well not exist to these types
>dragon-types continue using earthquake over whatever shit physical dragon moves exist. This or Draco Meteor because they're all mixed attackers.
>physical electric-types were a meme back then and continue being a meme today because all good physical electric-moves are signature moves. Thanks Pikachu.
>Physical psychic types exist because....

But Gengar gets to use Shadow Ball with its strongest stat, how nice that is. This and Absol and Sneasel are supposed to be theorically good now? I wonder how that went.
>B-but there's a new dog with aura sphere, totally worth it!

>>58159728
You sound like a complete retard since you're presenting the split as limiting, but the previous system was even more limiting. Want to use a physical Water type? No stab for you, and that's the entire type

>>58159673
>Im tired of people pretending we all dont want this
I don't because I actually play PvP

>>58159802
Nobody cares about pvp

>>58160029
If PvP doesn’t matter why does Gake Freak make all their favorite pokemon broken or give them broken forms?

>>58159728
>Every water-type EXCEPT Kingler and Gyarados are mixed or special attackers
Azumarill, especially with Huge Power. That fucker is PHYSICAL as fuck, as are Crawdaunt and Kabutops, who all can now use physical water moves like Waterfall.

>>58159276 (OP)
Megas are cool and doesn't afraid of anything

The real reason is the buff they provide. Good Pokémon get gooder and bad Pokémon get to be good.
Scizor is one of, if not, the worst evolutions in the game. All it does is change type and rearrange stats. The mega is something to finally differentiate it from Scyther beyond being an alternative to it.

The mechanic is cool (don't care if it's le unbalanced smogcels) and some of the designs are ok like Beedrill.

>>58159552
Literally just swap the stat Dark and Ghost use and give Water a physical weakness like Poison or Bug.
Boom basically the exact same fucking game with half as many moves because you dont need garbage like Vacuum Wave or Wild Charge.

>>58159600
Bro your Castform?
Bro your Ditto?

>>58159276 (OP)
Nostalgiafaggotry

>>58160084
>Scizor is one of, if not, the worst evolutions in the game. All it does is change type and rearrange stats.
>one of the more unique evolutions into one of the best pokemon is BAD actually

>>58159276 (OP)
XY was a rekindling of the franchise to normies for popularity and the it was the first gimmick. First time you do some crazy shit it's always the most iconic. Paired with the ease of play and casualness of XY megas were well executed in terms of a gimmick most normies who just complete the story and then do a bit of battling for awhile did. This shit was cool. Then they ruined it by making every new generation need a gimmick.

>>58160084
Scizor is one of the best Pokémon in the entire game.

>>58159552
>>58159561
While I'm personally not against the phy/spe split, giving every type a reliable 90 power stab of their prefered attack stat was the gayest shit. Before that you could balance mons with movepool. Now everything feels the same and whichever poke has the best stats beat every other option.

>>58160569
>giving every type a reliable 90 power stab of their prefered attack stat was the gayest shit
the split didn't do that

>>58160569
>giving *almost* every type a reliable 90 power stab of their prefered attack stat, while making the ones who dont have it stick out like a glowing sore thumb was the gayest shit
ftfy

>>58160572
Then what is responsible for basically every type having 75bp / 90bp / 110bp with shit accuracy for their special moves and then 80bp / 120 bp with recoil for their physical moves?

>>58160596
gamefreak continuously adding new moves in every game

>>58160569
>While I'm personally not against the phy/spe split, giving every type a reliable 90 power stab of their prefered attack stat was the gayest shit.
In reality only a few types actually have this and others are designed around intentional moveset limitations, like Ghost attacks being low power or Electrics having poor physical options or Rock moves being low accuracy or strong Fighting moves always having major drawbacks, and then there being Pokemon with unique signatures moves that break the mould for these types and really set them apart.

>>58160596
This literally only applies to Fire, Fllying, and maybe Water if you want to count Wave Crash which is still very new and poorly distributed.

>>58159288
Honestly that is why i like Z-Moves, while people hypefocused on the "200+BP wallbreaker" Super Shill Shit the actual fun part with Megas were support on shitmons to kick their oomph up a notch, like Z-Conversion, Z-Swords Dance and the like.

>>58159547
>DSzooms
Most of the people who played the DS games growing up were still kids and still liked pokemon when XY and ORAS came out. I don't know where you got the idea otherwise.

>>58159276 (OP)
Gamefreak reduced their value the same generation they removed the mechanic and introduced new alternate Gigantamax forms for Pokemon that already have Megas
Since it's up to GF to decide when Megas will come back, stuff like Mawile and Aerodactyl are effectively held hostage and stuck with low stats in the games where Mega isn't a thing since we're not likely to see actual evolutions to them anymore.
I feel the same way about regional forms. Stuff like Sandslash, Marowak and Ninetales get absolutely nothing, but here's a regional form that's completely superior to the original. Then you have Linoone and Mr. Mime whose regional form is the one to get a fucking next stage evolution.

I'm ready for the mega meta again. I don't mind if it has tera concurrently, but I'd appreciate if it didn't initially.