Thread 58532698

Japan has truly fallen.
First they elect a woman as their leader,
now this? Japanese court is rotten to it's core
how the fuck they could ditch decades old trusted big company Nintendo that symbolize Japan's pride and global excellence and side with this shitty chink indie company with lack of trust & shady background? Outrageous!
Japanese court side with bandits, IP thieves, plagiators, copyright infringers.

Massive day for the unemployed.

Tell me why should I give a toss what does the Disney of Japan have to say about legality of anything when they're just a money laundering front for the Yakuza?

So they're suing based on stolen features? I thought they were going sue the designs

>>58532698 (OP)
>Japan stops Nintendo from creating a monopol on genre and gameplay functions
This is nothing but a win for the players.

>>58532768
>I thought they were going sue the designs
they cant because the designs are unique, companies patent specific game features all the time

>>58532768
Designs are a lot more nebulous and harder to sue someone over

>>58532777
this
>>58532698 (OP)
Fantastic news, fuck Nintendo with a rusty pole desu

Nintendo went too far when they tried to copyright riding animals around. But it is funny that they lost because of a bullshit reason like Ark doing it first, when Ark just copied it from Pokemon anyway, and Palworld is just an Ark clone.

pokemon wasn't the first game, or even the 100th game, where you can ride animals.

>>58532747
I hear the Yakuza's losing power in this era. This be true? If so, then that would explain things.

>>58532698 (OP)
OP's source
https://gamesfray.com/japan-patent-office-rejects-nintendo-application-relevant-to-palworld-dispute-cites-games-like-ark-as-prior-art-after-third-party-submission/
>tldr. why sue palworld when there is an older game ARK that utilize the "patent" earlier

>>58532698 (OP)
But palworld is made by a small japanese company.
At least learn the shit, i am aware a chinese company is the publisher for other platforms but won't deny is a small japan indie.

>>58532698 (OP)
>move was super effective.
Learn about doujin games which are part of japan culture.
The funniest thing is that it was ignored because wasn't filled by game creators (gamefreak) and the only way to explain to nintendo american lawyers was "hey there is this ark game that uses a similar system so shut up" which is quite effective.

>>58532976
Sadly karasuma-sama doesn't care more and just went "let the world burn out, we are all doomed in the end".

>>58532768
I thought they tried but didn't go anywhere with that so they went full patent trolling

>>58532768
Basically, no one but Nintendo/Gamefreak/Pokemon is allowed to do any of the following in a videogame without paying tithes-
>Summon a creature to fight for you
>Summon a creature you can ride
>Summon a creature
>Ride a summoned creature
>Fight alongside a summoned creature
>Summon a creature with a spherical tool
>Capture a creature with a spherical tool
>Summon
>Ride a creature
>Ride a creature that glides
>Ride a creature that flies
>Swim on the back of a summoned creature
>A WHOLE SHITLOAD MORE SUMMON MECHANICS
>Also some pokeball specific shit
>IIRC, some more bullshit about environmental design??

Nintendo (Daddy) could catch Palworld with the designs. Daddy decided to update and clarify some patents, mid-suit, to fuck with Palworld instead.

I'm honestly wondering why Daddy doesn't just update original patents on N64 Mario and sue the entirety of 3D gaming as a whole. Third person, independently controlled camera? Daddy launches the nukes.

>>58534923
F for the Yakuza, Alexa play "Bakamitai"
For the real Yakuza fans, play "Tonight"

>>58532976
Probably, but they're still there now.
Turns out zoomers just aren't into organized crime.

>>58535020
>Why Daddy doesn't just update original patents on N64 Mario and sue the entirety of 3D gaming as a whole?
If they do that, it will be a complete suicide. Both gamers and developers would join to KILL a game's (and toys) company.
Fuck lay offs, the japanese would downright commit seppuku for fucking up that bad.
It would also mean the death of gaming. Leaving that much free terrain means assholes like Microsoft, Ubisoft, Blizzard, Rockstar, and whatever triple A company that lost its touch in reality would just devour all that. And I won't let my only gaming future become a rehash of open world slops.

Based Palworld

>>58535264
Zoomers are mpre into trying to pass as a girl currently but without luck.

The issue is that it's VERY hard to get a neutral read on what's actually going on, since the west (and Japan to a lesser extent) is full of clickbait news articles that intentionally try to over-simply what the dispute actually is with headlines that sound like this post >>58535020 that try to paint Nintendo as patent trolling. When the patents being disputed tend to be way more specific than "you can ride monsters" (in that case, it's PLA's system where the mounts would come out automatically based on gameplay context that was patented, like if you fly into the edge of a cliff, you're suddenly riding on Sneasler).

>>58532698 (OP)
How did we go from post-GFC commentary in gen 5 to this sort of DRM legal bullshit in a decade? It's kinda shameful how far they've fallen, but they did this with Digimon too from memory and the court told them to fuck off back then too.

Pokemon already rips off so much shit it's absurd for them to try and patent troll.
>>58532710
This. DRM is clearly crippling the economy nowadays.

>>58535334
No that's millennials. Zoomers curb stomp those types because those types destroyed their youth and their lives with their bullshit.

Why did they even pick this fight? I swear they gave Palworld visibility it wouldn't have had otherwise without this controversy.
I doubt they would even be making that spin-off game if Palworld didn't get this signal boost.

>>58535697
They seriously thought Palworld was eating into their market. If you see some of the gameplay, things like building and collecting resources, there's more to it than Pokemon and nintendo simply cannot compete. Sure Palworld lacks the narrative components and seriousness, but gameplay wise it's probably far better than pokemon.

I'm more into things like Rimworld rather than linear narrative driven RPGs, or things like Elden Ring where you can really build up your character into something. Pokemon really fucks that up and just calls it a day with building a party of pokemon. It doesn't build up enough shit to make it feel satisfying. If you're going to railroad me, you might as well make silent hill.

>>58535783
>Sure Palworld lacks the narrative components and seriousness, but gameplay wise it's probably far better than pokemon.
I think Palworld is written better than Pokemon. I don't really like Pokemon's writing.

>>58532698 (OP)
KEKAROOO!

>>58535367
>Slam into a wall
>Start to climb it
>This isn't Nintendo patent trolling, obv this is a unique mechanic because (gasp) a pokemon does the climbing for you

>>58535657
Same shit both, and you realize both are the same but you are in denial.
Anyone older then zoomers can notice the difference but zoomies don't, just remember how insane they went with the troon belle delphine even when became clear after certain age it wasn't a woman with boomers going "why do you have man hands" or "not even my sister that is same age looks like you".
Yet zoomies went.
>"she" is a real girl.
>is just envy because they won't get a girlfriend like belle.
Ignoring the issues raised.
>only men look younger when they pass the 18 years, either is a dude or lying about age.
>those huge man hands!!
>belle has manlier hands then me and i take testosterone.
>why "she!?" has such small waist to hips ratio like non existant at all.
>most of pics are belle doing some pose emphazising her ass while hiding shoulder length, hands and waist to hip ratio.
Just to mention some stuff.

>>58535657
>Zoomers
>curb stomp anything
LMAO

>>58532698 (OP)
Nintendo deserves to be put over the barrel and made an example of for attempting this horse shit. Its for the good of the entire industry that its largest companies can't just attempt to bludgeon its competitors into submission instead of making a product that can actually compete.

>>58532698 (OP)
It's just normal procedure. Japanese Patent office has low passing rate for first draft (15%). Nintendo just need to amend it and it'll pass as usual.

>>58532768
They never once ever tried suing over the designs, the only people that believed that were trolls on 4chan and weird Nintendo simps on Twitter.
It's always been about game mechanics.

>>58532698 (OP)
>chink
There it is again.
Don't care if it's bait, I reply to it every time.
Nigga, Pocketpair is literally within walking distance of TPC (about 5 miles).

>>58535783
Modern Pokemon games are trending towards open world like Palworld though. I think the game will start to resemble Palworld more and more because open world monster catching and survival craft goes hand in hand unless GF goes GTA and make it story driven as well as adding a ton of content

>>58532698 (OP)
nypa, ninjesh

>>58532777
based and checked

>patent troll a game out of rage that they humiliated you
>remove the feature you're patent trolling with from your next game anyway
Is there a more gamefreak move than this?

>>58532698 (OP)
Palworld won. Total tendies death.

>>58535697
Literally because Twitter Poketards begged them to do something. This is the only reason why Nintendo noticed it in first place.

>>58539074
exactly
they thought there's enough retards begging for it so they might get good clout, but ended up looking like insecure clowns who got owned in their own country by some indie game
literally all they had to do was ignore the drama and let the nintard manchildren seethe

>>58538813
Why hasn't Nintendo sent out a ninja squad to their headquarters yet?

>>58539165
They're trying the legal methods first.
If those methods fail, then-

>>58535657
>No that's millennials.
Cope post.

>gaytendo will die in your lifetime
:)

>>58539237
We aren't talking aboy sony gaystation 5 or xbox, sadly both are dead.

Happy Halloween Pokebros
https://youtu.be/pOmuUxs8QmE?si=k8F1O8qd0we3MSHr

Palchads can't stop winning

>>58540300
Cute animation. This kinda makes me wish for a Pal Mystery Dungeon game.
Maybe that would prompt Nintendo and GF to make another Pokémon MD game, too.

>>58535367
What's the difference between BotW's glider and cliff interaction, and PLA's Hisuian Braviary and Sneasler? Fucking nothing.
The only difference is entirely visual on a mechanical scale.

>>58540300
Their animations are cute
https://youtube.com/shorts/5vIp5_DlGPw?si=CqBY-DFSRW_vWi_x

>>58532698 (OP)
Back in the day, Pokemon would silence criticism by releasing a great game. Unfortunately, in the Switch era AKA. The Pokemon Dark Age all they can do is make PS2 level quality games and use their big dick market share to attempt to crush far superior options.

Unsustainable. Another massive and deserved L to add to the pile.

>>58532698 (OP)
Even if you hate Palworld, why would you want Nintendo to win this absolutely absurd patent dispute? They're objectively retarded in this case.

>>58535367
All game design or mechanic patents are retarded

>>58532698 (OP)
Palworld won, chuds won, and we are never going to stop winning.

>>58540300
>>58540657
Man Zoe is so adorable
>>58543610
Lily is an underrated girl

people just love aristocracy

>>58543610
This
/pal/ when
I wanna be a /pal/estinian

>>58542191
>Back in the day, Pokemon would silence criticism by releasing a great game.
I'll take "shit that never happened" for 500, Alex. Pokemon has historically always made shit games from the very beginning.
No, what Pokemon did was up the budget on the rest of its media, such as anime, TCG, manga and merch.

>>58544009
what let them off easy was, A, the late 00s was basically the silver age
and B, technical limitations masked the crap factor.

ARK WINS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>58544009
>Pokemon has historically always made shit games from the very beginning.
And people tell me i'm wrong to say pokefags aren't a cannibalizing fanbase

>arkjeet shitting up here as well
lol

Is Pokemon THE Potential man of Nintendo franchise?

>>58532698 (OP)
>Can't sue due to copyright
>Screw creating legal precedent, instead decides to go full scorched earth, saying they own the exclusive legal right to basic game mechanics
It'd be hilarious if the legal implications of them winning wasn't terrifying.

Who's the cutest, fluffiest cock sleeve? Yes, you are! Yes, you are!

>>58542191
>>58544339
Speaking as someone who lived through Pokemania, the games have always been mid at best compared to other games of their respective handheld gens. The only "great" thing Pokemon's ever had was how memorable the many Pokemon were. 150(+) "characters" to have in a game has always been a lot, and having most be pretty solid was pretty good too.
Like cute shit? You've got options.
Like cool shit? Options.
Weird shit? Options.
Plus the games have mostly been easy enough that you could just bring along whatever shit Pokemon you want to bring instead of being forced to use the best, which sucks from a gameplay perspective but is good from a mass appeal perspective.
Graphics were primitive but serviceable, the story was basically non-existent for most gens, bugs were usually not an issue (outside of gen 1), gameplay was primitive but serviceable (fuck the limited movesets for the first handful of gens though).
Things were mostly fine for the longest time, outside of BW hard-blocking people from using Pokemon they're familiar with, which is half the reason TPC had to panic and shit out BW2 and give people back their Pokemon.

Then you get to the full-3D gens.
Now, there's actual issues you can't just ignore.
>framerate drops
>Pokemon having simpler designs to save on vert count, make them easier to animate, and make them easier to make toys/plushes of
>redesigning some Pokemon to make them simpler
>shit/simple animations, and losing the ability to just "headcanon" what something might look like
>the lack of voice acting slowly becoming weirder with every gen
>closer cameras that reveal more issues you wouldn't normally notice, like how shit/primitive the cutscenes are or how limited the character animations are (mainly the player, and especially their face)

Then when the games hit the Switch, instead of it finally having room to breathe with extra specs, no, we get the dex cut and the worst gen of the franchise, which just sells well anyway because ???

>>58542191
>Back in the day, Pokemon would silence criticism by releasing a great game.
Shit Freak has never released a great game in their lives. An okay game has always been the absolute ceiling of their capabilities, and they haven't even managed that since they ran Masuda off.

>>58545692
At this point 100% yes lol

>>58538744

This. Palniggers jumping to conclusions as usual, only to set themselves up for another disappointment.

>>58542391

Because of plagiarism, and not just from big companies.

>>58540531

Like fighting brain cancer by giving yourself stomach cancer.

>>58546029
That game isn't made by Pocketpair, dumbass.

>>58546083
It's being published by them.

>>58544049
>B, technical limitations masked the crap factor
Not really. Even the old handhelds had better-looking and more advanced RPGs on them than Pokemon. People were just more forgiving of Pokemon back then because the games weren't as god-awful as they are now and their prices were lower.

>>58546085
And?

>>58546029
she cute

>>58545739
I'm actually shocked it wasn't an instant win, Japanese lawfare is one step away from putting people in Saw traps, especially with the big companies like Nintendo/TPC.
I'm still waiting for the day when Pocketpair eventually releases another banger or Palworld 1.0 and Pocketpair's CEO just gets found headless in an alley and the cops straight-up refuse to investigate, then about a week later some journalist tries to investigate, also is found headless, then the topic is never brought up again as Pocketpair never releases another game and there's a new Pokemon game that's like Palworld but worse and sells 10x as many copies.

>>58546085
>>58546094
Second the "and?"
This is far from the first game to cop Hollow Knight.

>>58546139
I mean, my "and?" was more about how publishers don't control the games devs make unless they're some big-name, high-value publisher with shitloads of pull, who could buy up and shutter your whole company in a week if they wanted, and Pocketpair 100% isn't that.
Still though, even if the game WAS developed by Pocketpair, the game doesn't have jack shit to do with Hollow Knight or most other metroidvanias (other than the background style, I guess?), it's a 4-player splitscreen(?) roguelite where the main gameplay mechanic is possessing enemies.

>>58532768
This would be the equivalent to firing a nuke. Once one company can get you for some parts of a design, everyone will go nuclear with suing each other. Pokemon wouldn't be safe either. Touhou, Square, Gene Simmons,Seinenahows,ect would go after pokemon for designs with similar likeness to their designs

>>58534852
What's the Chinese company for other platforms? If that's true, it explains why the console ports of Palworld still run like ass.

>>58532698 (OP)
This is a bait thread

>>58534852
It's a Japanese company the same way Sega is a Japanese company: Foreign interests opened the company in Japan to try and associate with higher quality Japanese brands.

palworld WON
nintendo LOST

There is a reason Capcom getting btfo by Data East led to fighting genre while Namco and Wagner getting away with the patents led to people being mad at those for being retarded

>>58547165
They were doujin games devs, made a pokemon parody game sold on dlsite then needed a publisher for a new game (palworld).
At least i have played their eroges parody of pokemon which is clear you haven't, but most go searching publishers and funding but that doesn't change anything at all sadly some poketards don't know those details and will ignore them going full retard even when said doujin dev could have made features before nintendo even add them.
From their pokemon doujin game released way too long ago made on rpg maker (before XY even released).
>clothes system for heroine.
>capture monsters at distance with some stealth added to it.
>food crafting system.
>climbing, gliding/flying on map.
>open map.
>lot of rivals.
And so on.

>>58549300
Not that anon, but interesting
Can you give me link for that?

>>58549404
I got that game years ago, i could upload it if i find it and thread is alive (if the cloudflare shit didn't get infinite loading and error on my PC).
Sadly would have to check several terabytes of data, along several dozens of DVD (if my dvd reader works).
I could point to their dlsite but i doubt they have it active (and seeing dlsite changes about parody games i doubt is still active).

>>58549599
Well can you just either told the RJ number, or name of dev when their was publishing in dlsite
Because i could not find anything