Thread 58594074

How does this make you feel? This mean that pokemon like Mawile and Sableye are forever stuck as a single stage pokemon that will never evolve unless they get a regional form.

>>58594074 (OP)
"Normally"

>>58594090
Yes, because the talking point is about Eternal Floette. Most Floette can still evolve into Florges, but because Eternal Floette can't, ergo, it can't evolve any further, it can Mega Evolve instead.

>>58594094
Doesn't the exception imply other exceptions may potentially be encountered later?

>>58594114
Hard to say. They had the perfect excuse to segue into Mega Pikachu existing, with this justification for Eternal Floette being applied to any of the Pikachu variants who can't evolve (even normal Pikachu suddenly lose the ability to evolve if they're given the G-Max Factor), but instead they did Raichu, which makes it seem like Floette truly is a one-of-a-kind exception case.

>>58594074 (OP)
Just make a regional form or a special one. Galar Slowbro cannot Mega evolve

since eternal floette is a one of a kind pokemon due to how it's created how are they gonna justify future appearances for it now that AZ is dead and Taunie/Urbain gave it to Harmony/Paxton as apart of the story?

>>58594124
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but there was also plenty of room for a regional Pikachu and they just... didn't. They gave that honor to Raichu of all Pokemon. And not only that, but they didn't capitalize on it when they made a return to regionals, and there's no Pikachu convergent evolutions(though arguably that role was taken up by the Pikaclones anyways.)

>>58594074 (OP)
It's good to have rules. It also seems like regionals aren't able to Mega Evolve

>>58594114
Not really, Eternal Flower is an exception because she's fundamentally tied to Mega Evolution. There might be more exceptions in the future but you're talking about a Pokémon that's even rarer than Legendaries and Mythical since there's only a singular one in existence.

Mega universe is treated as an alternate universe with its own rules and lore, it means nothing.

>>58594133
They might give Lida, Naveen or even Emma a cameo appearance, saying they have this friend who wanted them to give Eternal Floette to a strong trainer.

>>58594164
What part of Gigantamax said that only fully evolved Pokemon can Gigantamax? They already proved any mon can do it as long as they have the G-Max Factor with Pikachu, Eevee and Meowth.
They're explicitly telling you with Mega Evolution that only a fully evolved Pokemon can Mega Evolve, which means they've definitively reached their final stage and are not eligible to receive a new evolution later, unless it's an evolution for a regional variation (which thus means the original still gets nothing, like how Obstagoon for Galarian Linoone didn't mean standard Linoone got its own evolution).

>>58594139
Except we haven't left the Mega Universe ever since we entered it.
XYORASSMUSUMLGPE obviously have Megas, SWSH is confirmed to coexist cleanly with the Mega Games as of LZA, and SV makes clear reference to Mega Evolution with one of Roaring Moon's Pokedex entries.

>>58594133
They can do something stupid like introducing a Team Rainbow Flare Nouveau who travel the multiverse gathering Eternal Floette to power a dimensional ultimate weapon. Or they retire her to special distributions and just never appears in the story ever again.

>>58594074 (OP)
We already know they aren't shy of completely removing an evolution method and leaving the evolved Pokémon completely cut off from its line. They did it with Eevee back in FRLG, did it again in HGSS, Meltan in LGPE and now in SV they're doing it with Ursaring, Stantler, Scyther and even more Pokémon. So there's no guarantee that having an evolution even means that you'll be able to evolve, they might just treat them as completely separated Pokémon as they're already doing. So replying to your question, I'm indifferent since you can have an evolution and somehow still stay stuck as a single stage Pokémon if that makes sense after I said.

How does this make you feel? This mean that pokemon like Infernape and Incineroar are forever weak to Blastoise unless they terastallize into something else.

>>58594204
They're gonna let Tera be available in every single game going forward? That's kickass dude, I didn't know they would be that based.

>>58594133
Anon are you retarded? Pokemon comes up with obviously non-canon encounters for pokemon that are one of a kind and shouldn't be catchable in games all the time

>>58594135
>there's no Pikachu convergent evolutions(though arguably that role was taken up by the Pikaclones anyways
Read Pachirisu's entry in Arceus, pikaclones are canonically distant relatives of Pikachu so they are closer to regional variants that went too far and became their own thing. Convergents are completely different mons that specialize into the same thing so they look similar, another mouse pokemon wouldn't qualify.

>>58594191
Hoennbabies are just mad ORAS is the only version of Hoenn that matters now and RSE is irrelevant

>>58594074 (OP)
mega is further evo, but if you give them time the pokes will naturally evolve into a form close to their mega and get the ability to mega evolve into something else.

>>58594196
Lore and gameplay are two completely different things, retard. Ursaring can't evolve anymore in gameplay but in-universe it's still a NFE pokemon, so it can't mega evolve.

>>58594224
>A relative of Shellder and Cloyster, this ocean dweller sometimes comes onto land in search of food.
There's also other examples of that happening. There's also Pokémon that are completely unrelated being called the same name like White-Stripe Basculin and the Galarian Birds. Not even going to enter in the confusion that is the Paradox Pokémon or Carbink and Diancie relationship.

>>58594242
I mean, talking about lore, I'll just stay with the Mega Evolution. They're canonically stronger.

>>58594074 (OP)
>This mean that pokemon like Mawile and Sableye are forever stuck as a single stage pokemon
So GF can't retroactively ruin them like they did with Rhydon? THANK FUCK

>>58594191
New games/regions can always separate from the mega universe, that's the point. Besides, PLA/Hisui already opened a can of worms when it comes to retconning and what exists in the current timeline.

>>58594074 (OP)
>to break throught the limits of evolution you must reach the limits of evolution first
Yes? Did any of you actually thought this wasn't the case? How??? If a fucking Absol had evolutive potential it could access to without mega evolution it wouldn't have a mega evolution, it would just have a normal evolution

>>58594114
But they'll be exceptions.
What OP means is that regular Sableye won't get evolutions.

>>58594133
By keeping it transfer only.
The only way that'll become an issue is if we get another Kalos-focused game and that wont happen for a while.

>>58594191
SWSH and SV don't have megas as an usable mechanic though.

>>58594379
doesn't need to have though

>>58594385
Yes, it does. Its the rule you made up to exclude pre-XY games.

>>58594133
>>58594140
>>58594194
>>58594378
Bold of you all to assume it will be allowed to be transferred OUT of L: Z-A.

>>58594388
Proof?

>>58594390
>>58594191

>>58594399
?

Reminder that, since Generation 7, Johto games are most likely non-canon since its events diverge from LGPE in key points like Giovanni's fate. The alternative Giovanni from USUM also seems to come from a timeline different from Johto games but this isn't confirmed. I don't remember any events that happened during the protagonist journey during Johto being referenced in any games from XY onwards so there is really no way to tie back GSC/HGSS with the current canon unless I'm missing something. Well, we know that Jasmine exists at least.

>>58594443
Wish i was as illiterate as you

>>58594443
The red Gyarados is referenced in BDSP and Sabrina literally mentions Ethan in LGPE. Take your meds.

>>58594074 (OP)
Nothing is stopping them from retconning it like they’ve done to plenty of things before. Not that I expect them to but it’s not like it’s some irreversible rule. Don’t really care either way most of the single stages that have Megas are mons I don’t care about or are fine on their own.

>>58594114
imagine if they rerelease the spikey eared pichu and gave it a mega

>>58594443
>>58594469
Honestly we should just ignore LGPE, it massively fucks up established canon in every way. Possibly the biggest being featuring a 13-15 year old Mina.

>>58594443
LGPE is its own continuity, it explicitly breaks the idea of Red being "the legendary trainer who first thwarted Team Rocket and then became the very first reigning champion of the Indigo League" which is something they still hold onto to this day, even if Leon is the new poster boy for "most popular and beloved (ex-)champion" in-universe.

>>58595400
It's gonna need a very broken ability to compensate for its really low BST (305 with a Mega)

>>58594074 (OP)
>How does this make you feel?
It makes me feel no different because this is literally how it's always worked. Mega Evolution "exceeds the limits of evolution", so Pokemon that can still evolve haven't hit their limit yet.

I remember getting into an argument with some twat who argued that the Eternal Flower Floette can still evolve to Florges, and that Mega Floette makes no sense. What an idiot.

>>58595453
Would've been funny if Mega-Floette was just Eternal Flower Florges...

>>58594232
Why?

>>58594074 (OP)
fuck that, let region evos get their counterpart's MEGAs.
G-Slowbro is innocent
Mega Irpn Thorns, Mega Iron Valiant and Mega Roaring Moon when

game freak wipe their ass with patternfags
if they want to break that they'll do it.

>>58595974
>patternfags
This is not a pattern, autismo. It's core rule of mega evolution and If they had the intent to break it they wouldn't have doubled down on it in ZA while giving 2 megas to a pokemon significantly less popular than its pre-evo.

>>58595974
If they explicitly say so in the game its not patternfagging.

>>58595974
Tell me, what pattern?

>>58595974
>pattern is when the most recent game says: "Oh by the way the reason this has never happened is because this can not happen at all, it's not possible"

Nobody cares about consistency in Pokemon, they can just retcon it in a decade when they bring back Megas.
>Your Eevee just Mega Evolved! How is that possible? I thought only fully evolved Pokemon could do it!
>I guess there are exceptions!

>>58596427
It's funny how you use Eevee because you know it's the only actual reasonable exception because its whole gimmick is being the evolution pokemon and any other attempt at giving its family a mega would be unfair towards the others, so they would have to make eight fucking megas just for it (if not more, assuming they make more eeveelutions in the future).
So yeah I can see a Mega Eevee some day. That doesn't change the fact Chimecho, Kangaskhan, Steelix and any pokemon with less than three stages will never evolve again, the exception isn't the norm, buddy.

>>58596889
I highly doubt eevee will ever get a mega, gigantamax seemed like their way of giving it a new normal type form
also a mega eevee would total shit, a mega with 425 bst and no good moves

>>58594074 (OP)
They cna change that at any point. Also a regional evo is a regional evo

>>58594074 (OP)
Mega male Combee when?

>>58596933
>They cna change that at any point.
Not without fundamentally changing the rules of Mega Evolution. If a Pokemon can still evolve, then it hasn't yet reached the limits of its evolution. There's nothing yet to go beyond.

>>58596916
Unless they do something cool and give it more than a +100 and some new moves.

>>58596916
A Mega Eevee seems like something gimmicky and popular enough to guarantee an unique OP ability, something like STAB on all types (and obviously letting Eevee learn way more moves in the game where it can mega evolve)

there's nothing preventing gamefreak from breaking their own rules later down the line besides their own autism
the entire reason crossgen evolutions started requiring increasingly more obtuse evolution methods was to justify in-universe why they wouldn't have been able to be obtained in later games. eviolite's blacklist and them constantly having to shoehorn spots for location evos made them realize that it was an unnecessarily restrictive mindset, and nowadays they no longer give a shit about nosepass or probopass being able to evolve with a thunderstone when they couldn't in older games.

it might take 5 years or 25 years, but if they're forced to choose between giving a new evo to a pokemon they want to give an actual evolution to or biting the bullet and scrapping the design because it contradicts their mega rules, they're going to choose the former.

>>58597073
>and nowadays they no longer give a shit about nosepass or probopass being able to evolve with a thunderstone when they couldn't in older games.
This is because of feature bloat, not because of a restrictive mindset. Nosepass and Magneton would normally require a 'special magnetic field' to evolve, which was seen in Mt. Coronet, Chargestone Cave, Kalos Route 13 (next to the power plant), New Mauville, Blush Mountain and Vast Poni Canyon, and the Coronet Highlands.

These magnetic fields would just be compressed to Thunder Stones, and are still used when available. There's no magnetic field in Galar, but there IS one in Legends Arceus in the Coronet Highlands, and you can either evolve a Nosepass/Magneton there, or with a Thunder Stone.

>>58594216
Or like how Gen 7 handled Type: Null. 3 were made and the 3rd will be the one that gets repeatedly handed out in the future.

>>58597111
yes, thank you for telling me a bunch of information I already knew about the mechanics of location evolutions
the point was that instead of just creating a new item for the location evolutions they decided to change their stance after 20 years of being extremely consistent with crossgen evolution methods not being possible to recreate in older games

>>58597073
Multiverse shit gives them an easy out. Gen 14 or whatever can just have nobody acknowledge Mega Mawhile was ever a thing and Mawhile has always been able to evolve and that evolution has a mega. You'd think people would give a shit considering how Gamefreak loves incredibly vague references to previous games to avoid canonizing jack shit.

>>58594074 (OP)
It also means that some of my favorites not getting mega evolutions haven't (quite) reached their full potential of evolution. (Yes, I'm using this as a cope. So what?)

>>58597259
Who are they?

Eevee
HP: 55
Attack: 55
Defense: 50
Sp. Attack: 45
Sp. Defense: 55
Speed:65
Total: 325
Yeah 100 points ain't enough maybe 200 though.

>>58597682
What about the Partner Eevee from LGPE? That one have the bst of 435.

>>58594074 (OP)
Does this mean that pokemon without mega evolutions can evolve further?

>>58597713
Hypothetically we could give that (and the Partner Pika) Mega Evos and it could be explained that they can't evolve due to some sort of genetic condition, which also explains why they're so much stronger.

>>58597719
Yes, Girafarig can evolved into Farigiraf and that was pretty recent with Gen 9.

>>58594074 (OP)
See this is one reason I just can’t stand Megas. Temporary gimmick evos that lock some Pokémon out of future evolutions. Not to mention they’re not even in every game anymore so these mons are more often than not just stuck in their weaker forms.

>>58596889
>eight fucking megas just for it
Or they can all mega into the same form

>>58594114
Theyre going to make a notch eared pikachu that can mega evolve.

>>58594074 (OP)
Good, Mawile is perfect

>>58598560
You still have regional forms.

>>58599016
would actually be kinda awesome, even if it ends up having minmaxed stats

>>58594135
>regional pikachu
bro we literally have this every gen aside from 2 (unless you count marill) what the fuck are you talking about