The 90s had a boom of Native American characters in gaming. Why that era and none else? I am not Native but I liked those characters, sometimes they were lame but sometimes cool.

>>11795857 (OP)
>90s had a boom of Native American characters in gaming
besides t. hawk (and thunderbird in soul hackers, but that's a part of folklore instead of being an actual person), i can't think of any other vidja characters inspired by native american culture from that era. do you have any other examples?

>>11795872
No, he just wanted to make another racebait thread

>>11795857 (OP)
>none else
what about custers revenge

>>11795872
All of Prey 2006, Turok, I'm sure there's way more lol

>>11795872
He posted Nightwolf which is an example, and there's Chief Thunder in Killer Instinct. Really it just seems like a fighting game thing since it was an easy cliche they could pull from. Surprised there's no cowboy, builder, and sailor to finish the theme off.

>>11795872
Michelle and Julia Chang

Nighwolf is such a cool fucking character

>>11795901
>games from the 90's
>Prey (2006)
bro
>>11795916
other anon mentioned the reps from tekken, but i just found out that virtua fighter has one as well (wolf hawkfield). like you said, it definitely feels like an easy cliche to help add more variety to a fighting game roster.

Native Americans were really popular in the 90s for whatever reason even outside of gaming, like Chakotay in DS9 or Tatanka in WWE. White people even used to make up that they had "Cherokee heritage" or whatever to get attention. I think it just fell out of fashion and got replaced by other stuff like identifying with LGBT or mental illness. It will be replaced by something else.

>>11795950
wwf bud
wwe is gay and dumb

>>11795943
Damn right

>>11795872
Mentioned already but
>Nightwolf
>T hawk
>Chief Thunder
>Tekken Changs
>Turok

And in media in general, you just saw them a lot more, then it was like absolutely never

Would a character like Humba Wumba even be allowed these days?

>>11795872
Tomahawk Man

>>11795872
If you're gonna go obscure enough to mention an SMT demon that only appeared in one game until 20 years later(he's in IV right?), Soul Hackers in general is loosely Native American themed, and you got Heyoka and Ictinike. Ronde went for a loose Aztec thing too
Or you can bring up Tengai Makyou IV
>>11795875
True probably

>>11796038
>>11795875
>even mentioning race in a non combative manner is racebait
you sjws belong in padded cells, stop derailing the thread. also if you weren't alive in the 90s to know what OP is talking about, you should go back to /v/

>>11795875
I'm native American, don't speak for us

>>11795857 (OP)
Back in the day natives were seen as a warriors. Nowadays they all are just whiny bitches.

Everyone stopped because Natives get incredibly butthurt if you try to depict them in any way. I wouldn't be surprised if every character in this thread caused some inane complaint and demands for gibs in reparation.

>>11795989

>>11795857 (OP)
That's a good question.
In the 90s having a Native American warrior was seen as diverse and inclusive, but then people started calling it a racist stereotype so they had to stop doing it.

Chief Scalpem

>>11796120
It was a smart move from Microsoft to get input from native americans when they redesigned Thunder for the (not retro) Killer Instinct game. No complaints really, he ended up looking way better than the original.

>>11795989
Rick Strowd from Real Bout Fatal Fury 2

>>11795872
Galuda from Power Stone

>>11795857 (OP)
People realize they had 0 influence as a demographic and appealing to them didn't do any service for your product. Now its all about towing the line between offending lgbt and offending muslims.

>>11796013
>Tomahawk Man
>wields a european battle axe
ONE JOB

>>11795872
the entire U'wa tribe in Hitman:Codename 47. too bad we didnt get the jungle levels in Contracts, i guess this was too problematic even for 2004

Look at based Condor.

>>11795872
>do you have any other examples?
that 2 chicks from tekken 2 and tekken 3
that character from mortal kombat
turok in pc-n64
the one from street fighter
papu in crash bandicoot series

>>11796120
Problem is not natives themselves, but their chiefs who largely treat their tribe as a Brand to be sold and exploited for his personal profit. Raising hell about native depictions in the media is just protecting what he sees as his IP.

>>11796372
This very much is the reason, same reason why there isn't a whole lot of jewish representation. "Acceptance" of them is so mainstream in the US that people don't even think to pretend to like them for brownie points anymore. It's kinda just assumed, even though it still isn't the case 70% of the time.
>t. am both
Also a lot of native people now who aren't purebloods, like myself, aren't really visibily red because genetics is a crapshoot. My dad sure as fuck is but both me and my sister are white.

>>11796376
I mean, you're right, but all steel axes wielded by Indians are European axes. They didn't design or smith anything.

>>11795857 (OP)
Probably because some redditor faggot progressive would start a crybully campaign about how racist it is.
Why ask questions you already know the obvious answer to

>>11795947
Prey was originally started in like 97, it was going to be a quake 1 engine game.
The design for tommy is from the 90s.

The answer to every question that gets posted on this board is
PURE
GEN-X
'TUDE

>>11796496
That's not wholly fair, they just didn't develop anything that hadn't already been done across the planet. Can't say what might've happened in North America if white folk hadn't shown up. South America seemed pretty fucked when the Spaniards got there tho.

>>11796571
Nvmz I didn't read your post clearly enough. You were probably just talking about axes.

>>11796571
>Can't say what might've happened in North America if white folk hadn't shown up
It was only about 400 years ago. What do you think they would have done in 400 years that they didn't do in 10,000 before that? Their way of life worked fine for them, they had no reason to change until Whites showed up.

>>11796496
Tomahawks are battered sharpened stone tied to a stick

>>11796491
>aren't really visibily red because genetics
As far as I know, Red skin seems to be more of a mexico and south America thing. The founding fathers of America described eastern woodland indians as having skin as pale as them, but being tawny(and therefore not white) due to their hair and eyes.

>>11796605
Yeah, that too, it's a spectrum thing depending on what part of the country the tribe's from. I mentioned being red specifically because my dad's cherokee and while he doesn't look like a plains indian, the term still applies to him (and I'll always be a little jealous I can't fully say the same).
>>11796581
Agreed, the Old World (or at least European, I know jack about Chinese history) refinement of iron working was out of necessity because of the Bronze Age collapse. If I recall, both Americas had started using copper and rudimentary bronze around the same time Euros stopped but never advanced further because there just plain wasn't a need to.
>>11796592
NTA but he's a fucking robot, he'd use a steel blade.

>>11795882
That was the 80s.

I honestly think it was because of Pocahontas. Like cowboys and indians was always an american pop culture western thing. But then the same deal happened with ninja's and samurai. Fighting and warrior shit was just cool in the 90s. Look at all the kung fu movies. You didn't have to give a shit about cultural appropriation. You find some cool shit about another cultures warriors and you make a badass character. No one complained no one gave a shit. Kids we're just like like oh shit a bad ass native character. Oh shit a ninja. Oh shit a tall ass sexy african character that uses dance fu. Simpler times.

>>11796682
Dances With Wolves and The Last of the Mohicans were more influential than Pocahontas

But the 90s were truly the decade of the Native American

>>11795857 (OP)
no westerns
no indian actors
the state of american indians is completely depressing with the worst social indicators imaginable from obesity to education, it's obvious that the spiritual genocide is absolute at this point

>>11795857 (OP)
>The 90s had a boom of Native American characters in gaming
Literally no one but Turok. Wow, what a "boom."

>>11795857 (OP)
>>11795872
>>11795950
>>11796038
>>11796094
>>11796120
>>11796471
>>11796682
>>11796692
*American Indian

>captcha: SJWP8
A bit boring but counts

>>11795857 (OP)
Current politics means you have to give up all artistic freedom and bring in some "tribal chief" who drives a Ford truck, eats Mcdonalds and has never hunted buffalo in their life for their stamp of approval. It's a headache nobody wants.

Another factor I think is the Wild West is leaving the collective consciousness. Cowboys vs Indians was very popular for decades in every media you can think of and it reached around the world. The devs in the 80s/90s grew up with that so Native American imagery found its way into games. Today it's just a subject in school you learn about (in the US) and then forget, it has no cultural presence.

>>11796124
Loved this movie. The VHS tape came with a little Indian toy.

>>11796728
Frontier culture is many ways the only authentic, uniquely American culture there is. But it's memorialization and emphasis on adventure and personal liberty is also problematic for the big .gov planners in the District of Criminals.

>>11796708
And you wonder why everyone hates Nintendo owners and discounts them from the table lmao

>>11795857 (OP)
Why? It wasn't that woke yet. Wokeness kills Indian characters and prevents anymore from popping up.

>>11796094
I have some Indian blood in me too.

>>11796564
This, Gen X loved things that were common in vidya at the time cause it was either trying to appeal to them or the games were literally being developed by gen X dudes in their 20's:

Ninja's
Skateboarding
lewd humour
Native American myths and tribal shit.
Kung-Fu/martial arts.

>>11795857 (OP)
society deemed the character archetype offensive even though i knew injuns who thought dudes like night wolf were the coolest shit in the 90s.

>>11795875
>OP acknowledges the existence of different races and cultures
>This causes anon infinite emotional despair
Damn you're a weak bitch, son.

>>11796038
it's been a bit since i've played soul hackers, so i forgot that demons like moowis & manitou also originated from native american culture. thunderbird was just on my mind since he's been in many of the recent SMT games

>>11796564
The influx of x-cucks crawling to 4chan in a desperate attempt to be relevant is simultaneously both the funniest and saddest shit I've seen in years.

>>11795950
replaced with black worship

>>11797035
Sorry but this is a late genx to millennial site, you zoomers are in our territory especially this board

We made this site, this is our culture you just LARP as being 90s cause you were born in 1999 but your vintage jncos and slipknot shirt doesn't fool anyone, you like lil peep and play roblox, that was literally your generation

Injuns are pretty cool sometimes

>>11797035
How old do you think all the oldfags are?
Or how old moot is?

>>11796213
And it was for the better Capcom and other companies never did the same, cause you are so full of it.

Designs become so lame and boring when they adhere to political correctness.

>>11797176
I mean the KI Indian is still an Indian stereotype, I guess it used more accurate face paint idk?

>>11797207
Speaking of that, apparently Nightwolf in the second MK movie was gonna wear sunglasses and a STP shirt and just be casual before they switched to his game outfit

>>11795872
Marduk from Tekken 4 is some sort of indigenous fella

>>11797176
Yeah, you're right. The original mad max reject looks better than the redisigned. These /v/ tourists, I'll tell ya...

>>11797207
Nah, bring back the regular Jean wearing feather made mohawk motherfucker, original design was good, clean and simple

Is Prey 2006 the last American Indian game?

>>11797235
But he's Australian?

>>11795857 (OP)
>its 1990 and we need some American characters for our game
>what about a white guy that's buff and cocky
>and a white girl with blonde hair that's his girlfriend
>oh or a black guy that's a boxer cause he grew up on the streets
>oh... what other Americans are there that look cool?

>>11796471
>genocide a people
>quarantine them on inhospitable pieces of land no one else wants
>said remnants of people run on survival instincts and act like selfish assholes
surprised pikachu

>>11797502
>historically illiterate
not surprising

>>11797502
Hey. Uh.... Hey... Umm... Hey.... Uh, that's not a very proud way to act. Is it?

>>11797504
>excusing genocide

>>11795857 (OP)
You know why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EPY1CKFecs

>>11796581
That's how most of human history goes.

>>11797563
You're really dumb.

>>11797903
you're free to point what i'm wrong on. doesn't look like you will though.

>>11797502
Great bait.

>>11795857 (OP)
MK, Street Fighter, Tekken, Turok and more but on those alone those were huge franchises.

>>11798547
What is your point?

>>11798547
You just say things to get people riled up. As far as I can tell you're just a troll saying
>excusing genocide
for no actual reason.

>>11797239
knew someone would post Thunder in this thread at some point.

Womp em is so underrated.

>>11795857 (OP)
>The 90s had a boom of Native American characters
The game casts you as a Cherokee Indian with a number of magical powers such as spirit walking that let you explore the game world as a spirit
>>11795857 (OP)
>Why that era and none else?
you afe wrong it is just that simple, not retro answering your flawed fact point.

and e.g
Turok is a first-person shooter video game developed by Propaganda Games, and published by Disney Interactive Studios under Touchstone Games. It was released for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in February 2008, and later ported to Microsoft Windows in April.

Turok is loosely based on the comic book series of the same title and is a reboot of previous Turok video games. Players assume the role of Native American space marine Joseph Turok

you are just wrong

>>11799215
>The game casts you as a Cherokee Indian with a number of magical powers such as spirit walking that let you explore the game world as a spirit
Prey (Xbox 360)
2006

>>11795857 (OP)
cause by the 90s and early 2000s the majority didnt have a problem with races. Even kids were largely "color blind" and just went with what was cool. Developers were bros, guys who liked games, talked shit, code etc. If it was cool and fun, put it in.

You cant do that anymore. Easier to just make black characters and women, call it a day. The amount of internal debate at microsoft HQ on how to respectfully update Thunder in killer instinct mustve been a pain.

>>11799215
Turok is from the 90s, nostalgic remakes don't count

>>11798929
how am i a troll? you called me "historically illiterate" because i said native americans had genocide committed against them, something which is widely accepted as fact. and yet for some reason all you can do is "hurrr durr ur dumb...but i can't tell u why..." and this is 100% assmad incel behavior; you're mad that i stated facts you don't like (most likely because you hate non-white people) but you know you have no ground to argue against them.

>>11799456
>you called me "historically illiterate"
That was someone else. Not every person on the internet is one guy. Bringing up genocide on a videogame board is just empty posturing.

>>11799456
Is this demoralized post what the Russians call "active measures"?

>>11795857 (OP)
Because west retards like to demonize anyone who thinks the proto-american culture is cool and accuse anyone as disrespectful when artists tries to idealize or make fun (not in comedic conext) their culture.
although certain other Indo-Asian indiginious tribes are just as bad considering they'll sue you and use special laws to C&D others.

Need native wife

>>11795872
>no one has mentioned the King of the Hill tactical RPG where John Redcorn takes over leadership of the army while Thatherton has Hank captured in chapter 3

Does 800,000 copies sold and released on both Genesis and Snes mean fucking nothing?

It was totally a thing in pop culture in the early to mid 90s that the depiction of native americans changed
new age ideology and environmentalism became popular and the natives became depicted as wise shamans living in harmony with nature. The main thing in the 90s was environmentalism, the new frontier of fiction was to save nature, and natives fit in that scenario like a glove.
"Old west" depictions became obsolete. It was the first generation to not have grown up consuming hours of western fiction weekly. Like 50% of everything from the 20s to the 70s is old west cowboys, but in the last years the depiction of natives had became more respectful.

>>11800237
That's what my great great great great grandfather did. *Possibly five greats... He and his brother picked up an indian wife on their travels into the middle of Pennsylvania in the mid 18th century.

>>11800397
>environmentalism became popular and the natives became depicted as wise shamans living in harmony with nature
Liberals sure do love their magical negros.

>>11800620
Why do you have to make it a political thing?
You're just as obsessed as a clueless liberal
Conservatives have always loved old west fiction and depictions of proud warrior natives long before it was appropriated by neohippies
Liberals were the ones that complained about cultural depictions even back then in the 90s

>>11800628
Just made an observation. Not interested in the right vs left BS.

Cunny Hawk is one of the least terrible things about SF6 other than the fact she still has his dumb moves.

>>11800397
>but in the last years the depiction of natives had became more respectful.
Lol.
There are no depictions, none that are relevant anyways, that's the entire point of the thread.
If you asked people today about "depictions of native Americans", 95% of them would bring up le Redskins sportsball logo/name change and that's the extent of native Americans in the public consciousness.
It's funny how the libtard version of "respectful" is synonymous with "erasure."

>>11795857 (OP)
>fagottry toy as OP image
at least avoid using the gay cancer design, it says a lot about you fagot.
those are the only ones that are original.

>>11800784
>fagottry toy as OP image
>at least avoid using the gay cancer design, it says a lot about you fagot.
>those are the only ones that are original.
WTF is wrong with you and WTF are you talking about?

>>11800748
I meant the last years of western civilization's infatuation with the old west setting.
In the late 60s and 70s virtually all depictions of natives are noble and heroic, or victim of injustice. And then the genre was kind of abandoned. The cowboy survived as a parody, and the native as a magical proto-hippie, and that's how it became fashionable again in the 90s

>>11795857 (OP)
For the 90s it was a bit edgy. If I remember, they also revived the revisionist western.

>>11795857 (OP)
Stephen Seagal idiot

>>11800784
Not retro, against the rules

>>11796679
That's the point. OP said "oOoOoNnNnLlLlLYyYyy the 90s" but he was wrong, also a racebaiting dipshit.

>autosaging
faggot ass j-people

>>11801174
Oh yes, Stephen the mongolian, indian, italian, jewish man Seagal

>>11802172
but in the mid 90's he was still only pretending to be Native American by way of Japan, Glimmer Man is after MK3, KI, VF and others

test

>>11802172
what the fuck are you talking about with ``autosaging``? the thread is LITERALLY on page 1 and every post is bumping it.

>>11795857 (OP)
Disney was developing Pocahontas in 1994, all the media companies were getting ready for the next BIG CULTURE SHIFTING MOVIE after how much bank Little Mermaid, Aladdin and Lion King did.

"Native Americas were going to be HIP!" is what they figured. And well........... the money didn't do well, it didn't become the cultural icon we had hoped.

>>11802423
Before I made that comment the page LOOKED like it was at page 2 but the counter in the thread and on the board clearly said page 8

>>11802125
What a gay retard you are.

>>11800032
>saying facts you don't like is demoralization
incels live the most bizarre fragile existences

>>11795872
People have been screaming at SNK to bring back Rick Strowd for years.

>>11802710
And what kind of man uses a vaginal nu-word like "incel"? How about those facts huh lol you just got pwnd!

>>11802816
>getting this upset over being called what you are

Thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yau8nHOXhug

>>11797903
Unexpected Carnby.
What's this art style called?

>>11802805
But he's not a real native

>>11801207
same as OP image, op image is a figure made on 2018.

>>11796394
Playing Contracts right now, I really do wish they added Columbia to the roster, the very least the drug lair part.

>Why that era and none else?
It was the peak of vidya and was immediately before they complained about it.

>>11802710
>>11802816
A. incels coined that term for themselves so just like woke, it's ironic. woke people hate that term despite originally using it to describe themselves, "sjw" too

b. also ironic most of the people who use incel to describe people are femcels, lgbts, trans, or bearded/bespectacled, often fat, beta orbiters who are the kind who get mad at dudes like me who get chicks theyre friends with

and in any case, i don't think talking about indians in games is a matter of any of this really, natives are pretty much just part of americans, there isn't any controversey with them like other groups

>>11796571
>>11796581
They had metal axes in in Mexico, it would not be insane that they would eventually end up north and the knowledge would spread

>>11802903
>over being called what you are
Do you get upset when people call you a gay slur?

>>11802956
It's airbrushed.

>>11803982
They did through trade. Native Americans are a compounding layer. As you go farther north, the tribes are less advanced due to being there a lot less time as the ones below them. The Maya were extremely advanced and the Aztec were like a lesser more violent version. They were definitely progressing at a good pace, but as more of history has shown us, there were numerous civilization ending eras ranging from south America to lower north America that stopped progress for them. Machu Pichu is a masterpiece of engineering that is still admired by western engineers for it's advanced techniques. As I stated before, lots of knowledge was lost as each civilization fell. It's very similar to the East, no more does India or countries of lesser Asia build monumental structures and they don't have the knowledge anymore. It's mainly roman influence and subjugation that led to the western world as we know it. Even EU countries were basically savages before roman interference. Though, the eastern world had a lot longer to adapt to their specific regions and develop technologies as most of the tribes of the Americas travelled there after the eastern world was already in or just bordering on the bronze age. It takes a long time to develop civilizations and also key people's who are the geniuses who develop technologies. We ride on the shoulders of giants in that aspect. Less than .01% of the population are creators of civilization changing technologies. Most people don't bother and just accept what they have. Not just tribal people but every society/civilization is mostly made up of people who don't innovate or create. They don't tend to learn from history either. I hear a lot of "my ancestors invented so and so" and it's frustrating because those people will 99.9% of the time, never invent or innovate anything in their lives. As I.Q. statistics have shown us, the average is a midwit and midwits are easily persuaded by authority figures.

>>11803349
Well, a lot of tribes have been brainwashed by the left. Not just that but there's rampant drug abuse and rape on many reservations. They're stuck in a victim paradigm (not all of them, but a large portion). When natives do get off the res, they adapt immediately to western civilization and often become despondent to those who remain in the shackles of the mind. One generation of natives living in normal society and they're usually good to go.

red xiii, and cosmo canyon are pretty native inspired.

I hate politics.

1990s was basically most NA tribes getting reparations and recognition from the government.

>>11795996
They didn't remove her from Nuts & Bolts. Why would they now?

>>11796708
That version of Turok was just a reinterpretation of an older comic book character, and the only American developed example.

>>11797239
Xavier was in a video game?

>>11797442
I think they had one more Turok game that's outside the retro scope.

>>11805341
Most tribes didn't get reparations and most tribes are not on land that is zoned to get casinos and/or they are too poor to build the casinos. Lots of trees brs were moved to land that sucks. No trees, just rocks and desert, unable to build casinos due to restrictions. Other tribes have lush land and casinos.

>>11805573
Even the ones with casinos don't really benefit the tribe. Cherokee casino is like every stereotype of the greedy corpo Shinra president dialed up to 11. The chief rakes in probably billions per year and pays his tribesmen who work there peanuts. Most Cherokee have to basically beg and dance for money from tourists on the road if they can't get a job at the Casino or related place.

>>11795857 (OP)
Because the 80s had lots of native characters in cartoons and they emulated it. Up until the late 90s the general consensus was natives were poor spiritual people bullied by whites until a bunch of high profile murders/beatings/crime sprees by natives soured perceptions in the late 90s/early aughts.
Several tribes also spent money to push pro-native messages

>>11795857 (OP)
The 1988 Indian Gaming Regulatory Act gave tribes the ability to operate casinos on sovereign land, turning their formerly completely worthless lands into hotspots for people to go to, and people suddenly started getting a lot more familiar with Native Americans and interacting with them knowingly on a daily basis. Plus, I'm sure the huge influx of wealthy natives from successful casinos started giving rise to young up-and-comers who leveraged their parent's wealth to appear in more movies, and so you had a previously most invisible part of the population outside of Westerns, become very noticeable. By the end of the 90's, this started re-scaling itself towards normalization and it gradually faded away.

>>11805584
The irs also gets a cut, but some of the maidu tribes members in NorCal get payed bank like 30k every few months, per member or something crazy. Really just depends on the tribe.

>>11805341
Nuts & Bolts Humba Wumba is practically flat chested and dressed more like a cowgirl compared to the one in B&K. And Nuts & Bolts released just before Western devs completely lost their minds. Can you imagine what a modern day Humba Wumba would look like lol

>>11805280
They were taught how to profit from "victimization".

>>11795872
That counts as a boom
See also: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098878/

i could have sworn the guy from blackthorn was native american but apparently he's from another planet entirely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmV0ZyFBds8

https://youtu.be/6Cm-9WZOlHU?si=sscLmaS-aIaOvOTl

>>11806348
Planet Native

>>11795857 (OP)
Because now including anything fun that could be perceived as tropes apparently offends people.

>>11807006
relax, im a native american indian and nothing you say or do can offend me. the river flows the bear scratches the dirt as the eagle soars high and watches down as the sun shines. let it ride

>>11795857 (OP)
Pretty much all the native americans are dead, modern natives are 50% white people larping.