Any examples of games that actual oldfags like, but aren't on your typical best games lists?
Example: I see so many people who grew up with SNES who like Sim City. But nowadays I feel like most people skip it.
Another semi-related example: Toshinden. Any time it's brought up, you can be pretty much sure it's people who had PS back in 1995-1997.

pretty much any game that isn't on some streamer's top 10 list. true oldfrens grew up playing whatever our parents would buy us, and as a kid all but the worst games can be pretty fucking awesome. any 'mid' game is especially likely to be an example of what you're looking for.
but to answer your question, Army Men 3D

Any old RPG. For the youngsters they're "objectively bad design".

Any old action game for which difficulty is the substance, getting good is the entire point of the game. The youngsters also don't understand this concept.

Ikari warriors, the game that made SNK famous. It was ported to basically every system in existence at the time and with very good results.

Anything japanese and untranslated, especially if it was on an old Japanese PC

Basically any NES black box games.

>>11798164
Eh, depends on RPG. If you mean old PC style games like Eye of Beholder, then yeah, sorta. But plenty people today praise Fallout/ Daggerfall / Morrowind, and jarpigs will always be favored by weebs, sometimes even more so than back in the day. Look at how everyone and their mom praises Chrono Trigger

>>11798164
dark souls

General chaos for the Genesis and Metal Warriors for the SNES are probably the most criminally underrated games ever. Also, Lost Vikings, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, and Blackthorn

>>11798154 (OP)
Duck Hunt
Hogan's Alley
Basically any no-frills lightgun game which are mostly tests of reflexes and aim, and have zero appeal to mousefags.

>>11798154 (OP)
everybody used to love Pirates! but it's maybe too simple and too much imagination required and doesn't seem to have any legacy anymore

>no attempt at trolling op with some bad games noone played
>/vr/ i am disappoint

>>11798154 (OP)
>Toshinden. Any time it's brought up, you can be pretty much sure it's people who had PS back in 1995-1997.
I had it on PC

>>11798268
>missing Kid Icarus
RIP

>>11798484
>Zombies Ate My Neighbors
The rest are good, but this game is mainstream has fuck

>>11798493
Sorry anon, you're looking for/v/

>>11798526
op is blatantly asking for tips on how he can pass as an oldfag. this is going to be your undoing. inb4, the only people who ever complain about gatekeeping are those the gate was intended to keep out.

Jackal.

>>11798154 (OP)
That people generally like or that an individual likes? I enjoyed al-qadim, genie's curse and think it is of the very underrated games of its time.

>>11798549
I assume he means games which enjoyed a decent level of popularity back in the day, but seemingly fell out of favor with newer groups of gamers. Basically, Millennials and older gamers who played them back in the day loved them, but you will almost never hear a late-to-the-party gamer or zoomers in general talk about them, or at least not express great affinity for them.
In terms of collector meme game, one that comes to mind is Chase the Chuck Wagon. That game was all the memetic rage back in retrogaming groups up to the mid 2000s, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many gamers, even hardcore collectors, under the age of 35 (at the youngest, probably more like 40) who would is even aware of it.

>>11798549
I assume he means games which enjoyed a decent level of popularity back in the day, but seemingly fell out of favor with newer groups of gamers. Basically, Millennials and older gamers who played them back in the day loved them, but you will almost never hear a late-to-the-party gamer or zoomers in general talk about them, or at least not express great affinity for them.
In terms of collector meme game, one that comes to mind is Chase the Chuck Wagon. That game was all the memetic rage back in retrogaming groups up to the mid 2000s, though nowadays I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many gamers, even hardcore collectors, under the age of 35 (at the youngest, probably more like 40) who are even aware of its existence.

>>11798484
I feel like console strategies are generally not even considered by anyone today. Not that the genre was ever big, but still
>>11798489
Another genre that barely gets traction nowadays
>>11798534
Yeah dude, I have nothing better to do than pretend to be a boomer on a basket weaving forum.
I'm just curious because I didn't grow up with SNES, but I've noticed so many oldfags talk about how they played Sim City when they were kids. Modern SNES talk is generally same few games, 1st party Nintendo hits + CT/FF6 + Castlevania / Contra.

Easy, look at what was popular back when it came out. See something you don't recognize from a top 10 list?
Ultima 2 was once considered one of the greatest RPG's along with Wizardry, these days even Ultima fans recommend you skip ahead to 4.
Wrath of the Black Manta was a very popular early NES title, I can't remember the last time someone even brought it up.
Golf was probably one of the most popular NES games among people over 30, literally no one considers it to be even a decent golf game now.
King's Quest V was considered groundbreaking when it came out, with SVGA graphics and voiced dialogue. These days it's considered a prime example of how bullshit graphical adventures could be with puzzles.
Choplifter on the Apple II was a top-10 action game with amazing graphics that was popular enough to get ported to the arcades, now it rarely gets brought up if at all.
Everyone was playing Wolf3D on their computers when it came out, the majority of retro FPS fans would much rather play Doom or anything else with more depth.
Wing Commander, combat flight sims like Jane's and Chuck Yeager's, all very popular and pushed sales of flight stick controllers, they don't get new fans these days.

>>11798609
yeah flight sims
Wing Commander was the Doom of the 386

>>11798609
>>11798636
Simulator games in general, where the focus is on simulating something as accurately and realistically as possible, eventually get superseded by something more realistic/accurate.

>>11798534
>only people who ever complain about gatekeeping are those the gate was intended to keep out.
You're right with this, but he only wants to learn more about retro games, so he's following the rules.

>>11798609
>King's Quest V was considered groundbreaking when it came out, with SVGA graphics and voiced dialogue. These days it's considered a prime example of how bullshit graphical adventures could be with puzzles.
Nah, it's pure kino

>>11798154 (OP)
Back when the internet had actual videogame enthusiasts on it and not posers X-Com and JA2 were wildly regarded as some of the greatest games of all time. Now they are pretty much boomer-core and icky to nu-gamer culture.

That one fighting series that was a long runner yet didn't make it into the post-SF4 era.

Surely this was big at some point? I had the first one on SNES as a kid and saw it on the same level as SF, SamSho, etc.

Sometimes me and my stepbrother would sit and play Breakthrough and Conquer for the NES, it was short but looped so you could just keep going forever if you wanted.

>>11798783
>stepbrother
damn you, internet, i nearly forgot this word has any meaning out of porn context

>>11798574
That dog is cute :)

>>11798154 (OP)
Every oldfag likes different things, some like fast paced action, others pure strategy, others both. Everyone who speaks like what they like is what their entire generation likes is a tard.

>>11798154 (OP)
hunt the wumpus was actually pretty popular in its day. versions of this were released for mainframe computers and the Commodore PET.
>>11798169
7800 port is much better than the NES.

>>11798154 (OP)
Dunno if it counts as oldfaggotry since it's something millennials did, but I remember when I was in middle school during the late 00's it was pretty common to find let's plays of people playing Parodius on Zsnes, but these days you almost never hear about that game.

>I see so many people who grew up with SNES who like Sim City. But nowadays I feel like most people skip it.
That's more because that's not the best way to enjoy Sim City. I made a thread a while ago asking why every SNES recommendations list is the exact same, and got laughed out of the thread for using NBA Jam as an example or a "rare find" on the system; most anons' sentiment was that with current emulation technology, there's never a proper reason to play an inferior version of a game when a superior version is available. So in the case of NBA Jam on the SNES, it's better to emulate its arcade version, and in the case of Sim City it's better to just play Sim City 2000 on DOSBox. Because of that, some classics on a given system are now shunned. I played the shit out of Sim City 1 on a SNES emulator on my phone when I was in college so I get its appeal, but there's basically no need to play the SNES version now if you've got access to better versions of the game. When I was a kid I played DKC on a GBA and had a blast, but now it's seen as inferior with how easy it is to just emulate it on SNES with better resolution and sound.

>>11800530
There were games that everyone seemed to have for their systems at the time. Crash, FF7, the five games released for N64, RCT, WC2, a sports game or two. My dad and uncle played more Madden than anything else on Genesis. I wasn't even aware that it had other games until I went to Sears and saw the kiosk.

>>11798161
>true oldfrens grew up playing whatever our parents would buy us
I read a YouTube comment before under a review of the SNES Classic that said it's not a realistic depiction of a typical SNES library because it's not one good game and then five games that are either complete shit or shovelware based on some non-vidya property. It should also be noted how prominent vidya rentals were back in the day, especially with how lopsided SNES game prices were.

>>11798268
I had Pinball on the e-Reader and thought it was awesome for what it was, but now its name gets dragged through the mud along with every other black box game for being too simple. Same with Tennis. I guess their novelty wore off pretty fast since these games basically never stopped being re-released, first by pirates on multicarts and then by Nintendo, first as in-game trinkets in Animal Crossing and then as standalone games from then onward.

>>11798521
I always hear about ZAMN, but have never seen anyone playing it.
>ZAMN!

>>11798595
>console strategies are generally not even considered by anyone today
People gave Fire Emblem a chance, but I think it's because of waifus. That was the series that convinced me that some genres are entirely carried by waifus.

>>11798773
slavs stink up JA2 discussions so bad it's impossible to overlook it

>>11800632
>People gave Fire Emblem a chance
Melee was a pseudo-ad for Fire Emblem in the west, and it worked.
That said, the current FE fanbase generally dislikes the titles before Awakening. And everyone who doesn't hates Awakening onward, so they're not really the "current fanbase".

>>11800662
>Melee was a pseudo-ad for Fire Emblem in the west, and it worked.
This also somewhat happened with Ice Climber, which is why it kept getting included in all the aforementioned black box re-releases Nintendo has done. The difference is that, unlike with Fire Emblem, people thought the game sucks but ninty keeps re-releasing it anyway, I guess in an attempt to gaslight people into thinking it's good (or maybe just because of the characters in Melee). When NSO first came out, you couldn't play Super Mario Bros. 2 on it, but you could play Ice Climber all you want!

>>11800662
>>11800632
As far as I understand, the FE fandom is zoomers who want cringe anime high school crap, not strategy. Much like with Persona/SMT, they aren't here for old school RPG. This crap is arguably more cancerous than JoJo community, a good/decent thing that has a totally AIDS zoomer fanbase.
Such is life in the year of 2025 though, most other console strategy games are long dead or have an extremely narrow hardcore RPG audience niche.

>>11798161
I mean Army Men is something everyone played some version of....but does that mean it's good? I don't know because I never went back to replay

I disagree with your concept though. Not all children are incapable of being critical and not all adults are blinded by nostalgia. Bubsy sucked when I was 5 and it still sucks now. Something isn't good just cause you remember it, this additude is why zoomers annoy me worshipping Nickelback just because they remember it on the radio when they were 3

>>11800694
To be critical about nostalgia as an adult, you need to actually replay games not just remember them. Plenty games I thought were good are shit like Tenchu and RE, any DBZ game

>>11800714
The SMWfags would benefit from this advice.

>>11800718
Bad example. SMW has flaws, undeniably, but it's still arguably peak 2D Mario, even with those flaws.
>inb4 SMB3 vs SMW wars

>>11800723
nah, go replay it
you're judging its quality based on nostalgia

>>11800723
I find nothing ruins a retro game like bad control or bad hit detection, few flaws can turn a game from ok as a kid to dogshit under a comb like those two problems. Too easy? Too hard? This has always been down to preference

>>11800726
Totally dude, everyone is biased and closed minded except for you.
I beat it recently for the first time. Easily 9/10 for me, especially since I've always known about all the secrets in the game like star road / special world etc..
If you didn't like it, sucks for you. I enjoyed the game and you didn't.

>>11800734
please refer to >>11800714
i'm sorry this concept is lost on you

>>11800726
NTA but I replayed it last year. If you actually play through every level instead of just doing a 20-minute Star World run, you notice how many new, interesting things they tried to do with SMW. SMB3 already existed on the SNES internally in Nintendo when SMW was in development, so there was a real effort to differentiate the game from its predecessor in good ways (unlike what you got in the Mario franchise during the long, exhausting NSMB era). The game doesn't just feel like SMB3 with more stuff, it feels like its own thing on equal footing with SMB3 quality-wise which is why we can have these endless SMB3 vs. SMW debates.

>>11798154 (OP)
Use the Wayback machine to read old game review magazines. The internet archive has them, too, or you can check here: https://www.retromags.com

This will give you actual reviews with the viewpoints of the time. Avoid Nintendo Power as it was mostly use there to promote Nintendo with few real reviews, but other magazines are solid choices to help you see what was "good".

Wizardry
I grew up with old men loving it, now it's mainly just a curiosity to see how RPG's developed

>>11802020
eh, nobody but people playing out of historical curiosity played wiz 1-5 for 35 years and wiz 6-8 were effectively a different series mining the brand name that was never very popular or influential.

>is widely considered the Greatest Game Ever Made for years running in your path
Came after Wizardry, yet Dungeon Master was considered THE epitome of dungeon crawling across the western world when Wizardry itself was far from a household name. Nothing else came close, until the era of nostalgia took hold and "retro gamers" revisited Wizardry after reading about how it inspired Horii Yuji and thus every jrpg.

>>11798773
OF ALL TIME OF ALL TIME YAAAAAAYYYY :DDDD

STFU

God, there it is again — “greatest games of all time.” I swear every old PC game from the 90s gets this label slapped on like it’s mandatory or something.

Yes, X-Com and Jagged Alliance 2 are classics. Yes, boomers and grognards worship them. But “greatest of all time”? Of all time? Like… literally every game ever made across all platforms, all genres, all eras… and these two are at the top? Sure, buddy.

Also — they’re "boomer-core" now because time exists. These games are fossils. Of course they aren’t beloved by “nu-gamer culture” — you can’t even rotate the camera in JA2 without it breaking. Meanwhile kids today are too busy stacking gacha gems in auto-battlers.

Maybe instead of throwing around “greatest of all time” like it’s seasoning, people could just say “really good for their era” and call it a day. Because let’s be real: every game from the 90s is now of all time — they stopped making these decades ago. They’re all "of time" by default.

>>11798154 (OP)

Some of the top of my head I can think of that wouldn't exactly be considered mainstream that I personally enjoy:

Warhammer: Shadow of the Horned Rat, Metal Marines, Super Conflict, Star Tropics 1, Bushido Blade 1 and 2, Crystalis, Tecmo Secret of the Stars, Firestriker, Siren, Samurai Showdown V Spirits, Brain Lord, Kengo: Master of Bushido, Ring of Red and many more that I can't think of right now. These days I mainly just play fighting games.

>>11802131
name?

>>11798154 (OP)
Outside the top lists are personal picks.

Arcade games for the most part, and their ports, were huge, but now have been mostly forgotten with a few very big exceptions like Donkey Kong, Pac-Man and Space Invaders
Freeware PC games and some hidden gems of the shovelware PC ecosystem
The best arcade racers of every console

>>11802131
See, this is the kind of crap I'm afraid of
>game X comes out and it's not really that popular
>mags MAY talk about it and even praise it, but clearly there isn't that much hype; they may even criticize the game
>years later, a big popular game comes out, either from the same devs influenced by it
>suddenly people rush to crown X as the GOAT
>people's perception distorts and they think everyone was playing game X when it came out
>retarded conversations ensue like "what was people's reaction when X dropped??" and "would X save [console]?"
This happens every single time. System Shock after Bioshock, Daggerfall after Oblivion/Skyrim, King's Field and everything else from From after Dark Souls. I'm not saying people didn't play these games, but faggots slept on these games for decades, then rushed to play the newly crowned GOATerino, ignoring everything else.
10 years from now fuckos will ask "what was people's reaction when King's Field dropped" and "what was Nintendo's answer to it".

>>11802135
X-Com is funny because it used to be more hallowed before it got a remake. It would be the token '90s PC game on a lot of best games of all time type lists. Then it got a remake and became officially old and stinky and superseded instead of being the great token PC game. Like if some brand new Space Fighter Sim game came out and by some miracle became popular with borderline normalfags like the xcom reboot did TIE Fighter and Freespace 2 would lose all their cache.

>>11802256
u fw Xenonauts tho?

this one was fun

>>11802131
>Wizardry itself was far from a household name.
Wizardry was the #1 game on the Apple II for years, and the first three games were usually at the top of the reader polls in magazines up until the mid 80's. Dungeon Master was popular too, but it didn't release until 1987, when Wizardry 1-3's popularity had waned against The Bards Tale and the Ultima games.

>PSX
Oldfag

>PS1
Zoomer

>>11798164
>Any old action game for which difficulty is the substance, getting good is the entire point of the game. The youngsters also don't understand this concept.
You're out of touch. This is a very popular concept with modern gamers.

>>11802354

N64 Nigger.

>>11800662
>That said, the current FE fanbase generally dislikes the titles before Awakening.
have not seen this

>>11802618
that is clearly a game boy color game, anon

>>11802610
lol. The "hard" modern games are the equivalent of something in between "easy" and "standard" for old games.

>>11802610
Until they run out of continues and get booted back to the title screen. Then it's bad game design.

>>11802610
Well, yes and no.
Most modern games that might fall into the "git gud" genre aren't particularly hard unless you're impatient. A lot of the unforgiving difficulty is just pattern recognition, so you can just watch, learn, and execute without much fuss as long as you don't suffer from ADHD.

>>11802750
dark souls is harder than almost every retro game

>>11802751
case and point, this ADHD-addled retard

>>11798154 (OP)
best sim city is 3000

>>11802131
It came out in 1987, after Dragon Quest, Megami Tensei, and a bunch of other Wizardry-inspired jarpigs had already come out. Dungeon Master is cool, but it came out too late to be novel, Wizardry was objectively more influential.

>>11800632
>I read a YouTube comment before under a review of the SNES Classic that said it's not a realistic depiction of a typical SNES library because it's not one good game and then five games that are either complete shit or shovelware based on some non-vidya property. It should also be noted how prominent vidya rentals were back in the day, especially with how lopsided SNES game prices were.
It's not even representative of all the good parts of the library, licensed games like Turtles in Time couldn't be put on those nostalgiabait machines.

>>11800694
OP didn't ask if the games were good, just if oldfrens liked them.