Thread 11801236 - /vr/ [Archived: 1218 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:15:43 AM No.11801236
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Would it be wrong to claim that Night Trap is one of the most important games ever made?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:32:11 AM No.11801268
>>11801236 (OP)
Well you ought to explain how it's important, at least.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:32:18 AM No.11801269
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>>11801236 (OP)
Yes. It was just a really crappy interactive movie that got a lot of hype because US conservatives decided that violence in video games was the big thing to screech over at the time. It wasn't even actually violent for the most part. It wasn't even the first and only FMV game around at the time. Nor was it even popular or considered any good: Dragon's Lair had it beat.

Dragon's Lair is mort important than Night Trap ever was. The first big FMV game. A game that's been ported to 34 systems plus there's DVD versions. There's an animated show, comic book, and a new movie in the works. Yes, over 40 years after it was released in arcades Dragon's Lair is getting a film.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:38:02 AM No.11801279
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>>11801269
Wrong image, but the point still stands
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 2:13:23 AM No.11801341
>>11801269
>Dragon's Lair is mort important than Night Trap ever was. The first big FMV game. A game that's been ported to 34 systems plus there's DVD versions. There's an animated show, comic book, and a new movie in the works. Yes, over 40 years after it was released in arcades Dragon's Lair is getting a film.

Dragon's Lair was designed as an arcade game and it used laserdisc technology to read the video from, as laserdisc was pretty ideal for indexing individual frames.

Night Trap has a weird development history in itself. The footage was originally filmed for a home console that was being developed by Hasbro called the Control Vision, or something like that. It was designed to use VHS tapes, and the console was planned for released in like 1988. Sewer Shark was also filmed in 1987 or so for the Hasbro VHS console. Night Trap had a budget of $1.5 million in 1987 dollars. Sat on a shelf for a few years, was originally going to be published by Sony Interactive for the SNES-Playstation CD-ROM drive along with Sewer Shark. The Nintendo-Playstation deal fell through, and Sega picked up the publishing rights for the Sega CD. The Sega CD version was used during the 1993 violent videogame hearings and is one of the reasons why the ERSB exists. I always wanted to see a sequel to Night Trap. There was an attempt to kickstart one from Tom Zito. But the Kickstarter was a total mess. The game was re-released a few years back for the 25th anniversary. That version used a higher quality VHS recording of the game, for the footage. But it also uses some footage from the 32x Sega CD version. That version was remade using the Unity engine. Apparently Tom Zito couldn't obtain the masters, as they asked for too much.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 2:19:07 AM No.11801354
FMV games were a failed venture.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 4:11:53 AM No.11801572
>>11801269
>conservatives
Funny thing is that today it would be the opposite since it is violence against women in the game, in addition to sexual exploitation.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 4:16:36 AM No.11801582
>>11801279
The princess in Dragon's Lair is ridiculously hot. It's insane.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 4:33:15 AM No.11801613
>>11801269
Lieberman was a Demonrat.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 4:40:44 AM No.11801621
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>>11801269
>US conservatives decided that violence in video games was the big thing to screech over at the time
Yeah, noted conservatives like Harlan Ellision really freaked out about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD2HJxbF6Ic
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 4:52:30 AM No.11801643
>>11801613
It really was a cursed coalition of lib and rightoid moralfaggots
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 4:58:50 AM No.11801662
>>11801236 (OP)
Yes, it was just a sample of the failed unification of film and vidya that people experimented with at the dawn of CD media.The "controversy" about it was a meaningless short lived late night talk show joke for a week, you've lived through dozens of those every year your entire life and have forgotten all of them or ignored them to start with.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:12:33 AM No.11801681
>>11801643
>It really was a cursed coalition of lib and rightoid moralfaggots

There's always the conspiracy that Howard Lincoln may have master minded the whole hearing over the fact that Mortal Kombat 1 was selling more copies on the Genesis due to a blood code. Which sounds pretty ridiculous. But they wanted to limit the sales of Genesis software in retailers like Toys R Us. Night Trap was used as an example pf how realistic game graphics were becoming and how the one scene with the girl in her night gown could lead to even racier stuff. Night Trap was originally aimed at a pre-teen audience. Back in 1993 Sega was already funding their own ratings board called the Videogame Rating Council which was a label mostly found on Sega products pre- ERSB. Sega tried to make that an industry wide standard. Nintendo wouldn't get it on it. Night Trap also sold a lot more copies because of the hearings.

Neat documentary/ making of around Night Trap... this was made back in 1995 by Digital Pictures themselves...

https://youtu.be/QaTQPoQQsQg
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:28:44 AM No.11801701
People really got their panties in a bunch over B-grade live action scenes for some reason. Resident Evil even had some of the FMV scenes censored in the US in 96. That's the last high profile example I can remember. Within a year or two everyone moved on to other things.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:29:11 AM No.11801702
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>>11801681
>Back in 1993 Sega was already funding their own ratings board called the Videogame Rating Council which was a label mostly found on Sega products pre- ERSB. Sega tried to make that an industry wide standard. Nintendo wouldn't get it on it

The game is rated: GA for: SEGA. This VRC label was a company that Sega funded in some attempt to make it a standard rating in gaming.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:35:24 AM No.11801708
>>11801236 (OP)
it sucks because you can't see the best scenes if you want to win
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:37:36 AM No.11801712
>>11801701
>People really got their panties in a bunch over B-grade live action scenes for some reason. Resident Evil even had some of the FMV scenes censored in the US in 96. That's the last high profile example I can remember. Within a year or two everyone moved on to other things.

The entire game was filmed in 1987, and was funded by Hasbro (who were still credited in the game)for their funky VHS game console, which might have sounded wild in 1985 or 1986.

The people at Digital Pictures made this 'Scene of the Crime' demo in 1986 and pitched it to Hasbro. They loved it. Scene of the Crime is playable on the 25th anniversary edition. It's actually kinda cool in its own way.

This is hidden footage on the Sega CD version of Night Trap with Tom Zito showing Scene of the Crime to Hasbro Execs.
https://youtu.be/kPaHBceDH6U

The 25th Anniversary playthrough
https://youtu.be/hFDPToA4rto
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:39:25 AM No.11801714
>>11801269
>>11801613
Joe Lieberman is playing Night Trap in hell!

My mom deleted Virgin Aladdin from our 386 because there wasn't Mortal Kombat for her to delete.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:41:50 AM No.11801715
Night trap gets a bad wrap but it was important in the fact there is nothing like it and nothing will ever be like it. Appreciate it for what it was.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:50:02 AM No.11801723
>>11801715
>Night trap gets a bad wrap but it was important in the fact there is nothing like it and nothing will ever be like it. Appreciate it for what it was.

The closest think it had to a sequel was Double Switch. There was some weird attempt at a kickstarter remake. But hoo-boy. Night Trap is still original, I can't believe nobody else really copied it. The 25th Anniversary does improve the UI with video thumbnails. I look at it and think there should have been a UI with a second screen that follows the story. The concept of Night Trap was created for a game console that would read VHS tapes.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:46:00 PM No.11802384
>>11801269
>Dragon's Lair is getting a film but Night Trap isn't.
this needs to be rectified, I would watch a Night Trap movie
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:09:47 PM No.11802409
>>11801236 (OP)
Yes. ESRB would've happened with or without it, movie games would've happened with or without it. It was notable back in the day, but it didn't spearhead anything or have any long lasting impact.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 11:32:12 PM No.11802984
>>11801236 (OP)
For the video games as an industry yes, without Night Trap there's no ESRB, no ESA and no E3
For Video Games as an artform,no, Murder on the Orient Express had the same real time clock gimmick in an FMV game.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 12:25:51 AM No.11803113
>>11801341
>the console was planned for released in like 1988. Sewer Shark was also filmed in 1987 or so for the Hasbro VHS console
i think this is the thing people overlook. the fact that night trap (and sewer shark) was filmed and planned for release in the 80s is fucking insane. also explains the fashion being more 80s than mid 90s. also holy fuck the girls are hot
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 12:27:23 AM No.11803116
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>>11801714
>Joe Lieberman is playing Night Trap in hell!

I dunno how bad Liberman's action were. He enforced an independent ratings board to exist and the industry complied. The ERSB rating's system is no worse than the movie rating system. Like The Konami Justifiers were blue and pink to meet with gun-toy standards. The one game is a homage to Dirty Harry. Konami had to make their 32bit Justifier look like a hair blow dryer.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 12:43:46 AM No.11803143
>>11801572
progressives like video games too much to object to fictional violence. hatred launched to worldwide indifference
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 12:47:46 AM No.11803150
>>11801712
>The 25th Anniversary playthrough
>https://youtu.be/hFDPToA4rto [Embed]

The 25th Anniversary Edition is remade from a high-quality VHS RIP that Digital Pictures had on archive. It was an incomplete video. Some of the footage was up scaled from the 32x version. The video has a lot of VHS artifacting, which did add to the look of the game. I think one of the devs mentioned that they could not get their hands on the original masters, because they may have costed too much money. The original game was filmed on 35mm stock. There was a kickstarter to make an HD version that used those 35mm masters. But it failed. The 17th anniversary was still a nice thing to happen. They did a pretty good job with the Unity Engine interface. It includes nice bonus material. But not the 35mm remastered game that they were hoping to get more interest from Kickstarter. They needed to manage that thing batter.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1018579240/night-trap-revamped/

The Sega CD32x and 3DO ports might still be the best of the classic versions. There are two different releases on the Sega CD. The first was a Sega published release. The second was Digital Pictures re-release.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 12:57:39 AM No.11803173
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>>11803150
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 1:18:48 AM No.11803209
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:25:03 AM No.11803717
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>>11801236 (OP)
I made a bold statement about Howard Lincoln a couple of /vr/ threads ago and jannies didn't like what i had to express.
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6/16/2025, 5:25:49 AM No.11803719
>>11801236 (OP)
It wouldn't be wrong. The shame of it is that the game part of it is so fucking bad.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:27:46 AM No.11803729
>>11801572
Reminder this current gubbermint is trying to put a vote on meme porn idv and a ban on top of it along with some heinous rewrite on "the miller test"
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:31:08 AM No.11803737
>>11801681
>Back in 1993 Sega was already funding their own ratings board called the Videogame Rating Council which was a label mostly found on Sega products pre- ERSB. Sega tried to make that an industry wide standard.
I mean, that sounds kinda based but was it robust or did Nintendo notice it wouldn't hold on its own?
Ratings should be decentralized and not handled by these gay rating boards (and apparently the banks now)
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:34:11 AM No.11803745
>>11803729
I honestly bought so much spare shitcoin the past couple years, so when i make it, i can dump some funds to future lawsuits on stupid laws congress try to push behind SC's back.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:36:19 AM No.11803749
>>11801582
She's traced from a playboy model
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:41:10 AM No.11803758
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>>11803737
>I mean, that sounds kinda based but was it robust or did Nintendo notice it wouldn't hold on its own?
>Ratings should be decentralized and not handled by these gay rating boards (and apparently the banks now)

The VRC was a group started by Sega, but operated independently outside of Sega to rate games. There was an attempt to make it a game industry wide standard but these logos only really appeared on Sega games to my knowledge between 1993 and 1994. I think Sega was trying to push the VRC at the 1993 video game hearings. But the end result was the ERSB. At this point in time Nintendo would enforce their own censorship guidelines to third parties. Nintendo would have rejected a Sega created ratings board.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 7:22:04 AM No.11803908
>>11803758
>The VRC was a group started by Sega, but operated independently outside of Sega to rate games
Isn't that similar to how it works today?
ESRB is run by the ESA which is in turn a semi-independent organization with financial backing from the big publishers like EA and Activision in a self-regulatory attempt to avoid the government regulating for them
That's why the lootbox controversy was such a major issue at the time. Either publishers reign that shit in themselves, or the government was gonna have to step in as the regulator, and absolutely nobody wanted the government involved in this shit
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 7:51:11 AM No.11803939
>>11803908

The big difference here is that Sega spearheaded the VRC themselves and expected it to become an industry standard. The ESRB is an industry wide funded thing (in the NA market), and is funded / backed by all of the big hardware and software manufacturers.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 8:41:42 AM No.11804023
>>11803150
>The 25th Anniversary Edition is remade from a high-quality VHS RIP that Digital Pictures had on archive. It was an incomplete video. Some of the footage was up scaled from the 32x version. The video has a lot of VHS artifacting, which did add to the look of the game. I think one of the devs mentioned that they could not get their hands on the original masters, because they may have costed too much money. The original game was filmed on 35mm stock. There was a kickstarter to make an HD version that used those 35mm masters. But it failed. The 17th anniversary was still a nice thing to happen. They did a pretty good job with the Unity Engine interface. It includes nice bonus material. But not the 35mm remastered game that they were hoping to get more interest from Kickstarter. They needed to manage that thing batter.
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1018579240/night-trap-revamped/


I just want to add that this footage was transferred from the 35mm prints , and while it is only a 480p sample, and it is not the same source video used for the 25th anniversary.

The 'Re-Vamped' failed kickstarter video:
https://youtu.be/ZrmJAmufBew?t=30


25th Anniversary footage. You can see artifacting in the VHS. The 35mm transfer would upscaled to 4k and wouldn't have any VHS wear.
https://youtu.be/YBaW40NUCTU?t=560
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 8:51:00 AM No.11804038
>>11804023
>25th Anniversary footage. You can see artifacting in the VHS. The 35mm transfer would upscaled to 4k and wouldn't have any VHS wear.
>https://youtu.be/YBaW40NUCTU?t=560 [Embed]

This was cut from a Nintendo Switch version of the game. You can see some bad VHS tracking here. I guess this is the best source video that they had for the 25th Anniversary.

https://youtu.be/4Qg9ELZuL_k?t=2634