What's with all the hate picrel has been getting here lately? Is it trendy now to say that it sucks?

you know if you said mallard, and you had a cold, it would sound like ballard

>>11804289 (OP)
Sloper Metroid was never good
overrated garbage sucked off by tendies hyping up every Nintendo IP and by retards who think this turd invented Le ''metroidvania'' genre

>>11804289 (OP)
>Is it trendy now to be iconoclastic on the internet?
Fixed the question for ya

"popular classic game bad" is a thing on neo-/vr/

>>11804289 (OP)
Parrish retards and SotNfags are mad nobody cares about their meme genre "Metroidvania".

Metroid is not JRPG garbage

>>11804289 (OP)
It's just Gaylofags ripping on Metroid Prime because it's a lame Gaylo ripoff.
6th gen was a mistake.

>>11804361
>neo-/vr/
*/v/ jr.

>>11804289 (OP)
>the formula has been done to death by now
>it's the darling of speedrooners
>the game actually has flaws, believe it or not

>>11804289 (OP)
This game wasn't very popular at the time and was considered more a remake of Metroid 1 than an actual sequel. However, much like with SotN, time has been kind to Super Metroid, given how easy and fun it is to play on emulators. Nonetheless, the game was never particularly popular during the SNES era and lacked the intensity that original Metroid had.

Nobody said it was bad, only that it wasn't successful, especially in Japan, which is a fact.

>>11804436
>With the help of strong marketing from Nintendo, Super Metroid sold well in North America,[16] topping the Super NES sales chart in May 1994.[68] A year after its release, Nintendo placed it on their Player's Choice marketing label.[30] By late 2003, the game had shipped 1.42 million copies worldwide.

If I had to pick the best 16-bit or older game, it would probably be Super Metroid. And I was never a Nintendo guy. Super Metroid is absolute kino

and just cause I know y'all haters, please reply saying which 16-bit or older game would you pick over Super Metroid
>any of 'em are better hurr hurr

>>11804445
>citing Wikipedia
Yeah, that's why it quickly entered the bargain bin and months later Donkey Kong Country came out and completely overshadowed it. Have you even looked at the sales numbers, zoomer?

The original Metroid on NES sold 2.7 million at a time where it was a cold market (video games weren't still mainstream), without globalisation, and with less population.

>>11804289 (OP)
A lot of people can't handle exploration aspect of metroidvanias, so they try to blame the game instead of their smooth brains.

>>11804289 (OP)
Shizoids like to pick small boards and spam the same thread on there for years. It's a thing.

>>11804463
>The original Metroid on NES sold 2.7 million at a time where it was a cold market (video games weren't still mainstream)
Are you fucking retarded? Videogames were more mainsteam during the NES then it was during the SNES. It was a HUGE fad in the second half of the 80s. It was the Wii of it's day.

>>11804436
>>11804440
Somehow it was popular enough to get a Player's Choice cart in North America. That's the version I own. While it may not have been as popular as Super Mario Kart or Donkey Kong Country, I wouldn't necessarily call it "unpopular".

Retards will say 2.7 million is not enough to Nintendo but will also go around and make bolsterous claims like Pokemon Tekken being a massive fighting game hit, despite being a huge high budget flop and sold less than any modern fighter out there now.

>>11804434
>>it's the darling of speedrooners
But that's not SM64>>11804463
>>citing Wikipedia

>>11804762
>>it's the darling of speedrooners
But that's not SM64

>>11804463
>>citing Wikipedia
I'll never get this argument. The wikipedia pages at least have citations.
If it's wrong, that means the citated source is wrong, which is impossible unless the source itself says otherwise.
If the page doesn't have a single citation, then it's wikifag fanfiction, that's when you can discredit it.

>>11804440
>only that it wasn't successful, especially in Japan,
Already refuted in the other thread, it did as good as SNES FE games in the japanese market and breaking 100k is like breaking a million there.
Calling it non successful is a total lie, especially when the FE game that was supposed to kill the franchise was a remake of Mystery on the DS (sold almost worse than the Tellius games)

>>11804434
>>11804772

>>11804772
>If it's wrong, that means the citated source is wrong, which is impossible
>impossible
LOL!

>>11804289 (OP)
Combination of three things
>6th gen zoomers saying every 4th gen and earlier beloved game sucks because they're jealous they missed the early - mid 90s, the last remnant of real America
>Pushback against Nintendo from Sony/Sega fans who got sick of Nintendo fans acting elitist
>Gen Z Incels raging about a female protagonist

All three of these are about to respond to me saying "YOURE MAKING THAT UP"

>>11804392
This is probably also a little true, there are some SOTN fags who act like SM fags are their rivals just because their game obviously ripped off this one

>>11804436
>and lacked the intensity that original Metroid had.
this is a good thing. having a few seconds to explore environments instead of going down the same relentless copy pasted enemy corridor.

>>11804289 (OP)
The reason I love SM is that it's the only game that made me feel genuinely immersed in the role/world

RPGs and fantasy adventure like Zelda always feel barren and lifeless despite trying to create lively worlds, and the "neverending castle dimension full of floating platforms" of CV just feels too much like something that would only be a video game level.

Contrarian schizo retards are really insisting that Super Metroid was a commercial flop and that nobody liked it in the day, huh?

aged like fine wine

>>11804571
Learn to read and think, pajeet. Selling games to non-gamers is cold sales as that is considered a cold market. The NES did not cannibalize another console’s market as there was no other console to devour, and also had to deal with the resistance of retailers and investors back when Nintendo released in America. Japan also did not have the Atari 2600 before the NES, so the NES was to Japan as the Atari 2600 was to America.

>>11804609
It wasn't popular "relatively speaking"/compared to other games, nor a sensation akin to the original when it came out. I don't know how this is hard to comprehend.

>>11804772
Wikipedia is a user edited site and thus not an entirely reliable source. It is also often the cause when someone wants to fix misinformation and the original editor keeps reverting their changes no matter what.

Did you know the WiiU also sold really well at launch? Guess that means it was a success, huh?

>>11804759
Nintendo and the game industry will also tell you Super Mario 64 was a success despite performing considerably worse than the mainline games before it.

>>11805008
It's more like this board is now filled by disingenuous revisionism either by zoomers that really weren't there or zealot console warriors. People will meme you about Sega being retarded with the Saturn and the Dreamcast without acknowledging that the N64 and GameCube were Nintendo's equivalents to these flops, just with more sold units.

Super Metroid was the second most marketed game for Nintendo in 1994. The TV ad even toted its ROM size as "Nintendo's biggest game ever". Which was true for about seven months before Donkey Kong Country came out. It was also a common sight in print ads going forward, often along side DKC.

>>11805070
Super Metroid not being a sensation doesn't make it bad though lol. It was never a household name like Mario, Sonic, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, or even Doom, Donkey Kong, Zelda etc etc

Still great game. Being a meme doesn't=good all the time just like not being one doesn't=bad all the time

>>11805081
It's always funny when Nintendo tries to be edgy

>>11805086
You must have missed the part where I did not call it a bad game, just an overrated one shrouded by revisionism.

>>11805086
If Super Metroid is so good why is there only one Suoer Metroid and 3 Wave Races

>>11805208
Genuinely a good question.

>>11804289 (OP)
Zoomer Hollow Knight fans seething that a 30 plus year old classic is better than their bug game by every measure

After trying lots of indies over the past few years, I have concluded that I am NOT a Metroidvania fan, just a fan of the Metroid series itself

>>11805272
The problem with Metroidvanias and quite a few other genres is that people want to make them for no other reasons than they want to and/or they think they'll sell. It's not because they're inspired or have any cool or fresh ideas to add. They might not even have a good understanding of what made the games fun to begin with. It's just let's make Super Metroid but less interesting and with a different setting.

>>11805529
>It's just let's make Super Metroid but less interesting and with a different setting.
Case in point, Axiom Verge, which I still enjoyed, but ultimately is just an imitation.

>>11804436
>I like to tell the most blatant lies on the Internet

It's just an okay game. Nowhere as good as people gas it up as. Saying that just makes people go mental.

>>11804289 (OP)
If you haven't noticed by now, the 6th gen rule change brought tons of /v/ shitposters who think this board is meant to be as unserious as theirs

>>11804313

Honestly, Super Metroid has never really clicked with me. For all the praise it gets, the core gameplay loop feels repetitive and, frankly, kind of tedious. Exploration, which is supposed to be the big draw, starts feeling pointless pretty quickly — most of the rewards boil down to yet another missile or energy upgrade that doesn’t really change how you play.

The level design also gets old fast. You’re basically wandering through the same copy-pasted cave systems over and over again, with barely any variety in visuals or atmosphere. What starts out feeling moody and immersive quickly turns into a slog of identical corridors and recycled backgrounds.

And then there are the controls — stiff, clunky, and surprisingly awkward. Simple actions like aiming diagonally, wall-jumping, or pulling off bomb jumps are way more frustrating than they should be. Not because the game is challenging in a fun way, but because the controls just don’t feel smooth or intuitive. Half the time, it feels like you’re fighting the controller more than the actual game.

At the end of the day, Super Metroid relies heavily on its reputation for atmosphere and exploration, but to me, both fall flat thanks to its repetitive structure, bland environments, and controls that are more of a hassle than anything else.

>>11805858
Pretty much the same experience here. I won't bash the game, it's just a serious bore/chore game style for me personally. Felt the same way about LttP. Oddly enough I thought the original NES Zelda was awesome so maybe I'd like the NES Metroid more as well

>>11805070
>It wasn't popular "relatively speaking"/compared to other games, nor a sensation akin to the original when it came out. I don't know how this is hard to comprehend.
Why did it get a Player's Choice release then?
> People will meme you about Sega being retarded with the Saturn and the Dreamcast without acknowledging that the N64 and GameCube were Nintendo's equivalents to these flops, just with more sold units.
I didn't know anyone growing up who had a Saturn, but I knew plenty of people who had N64s. Albeit, I'm only a few years shy of being a zoomer.

>>11805617
I've been using /vr/ on and off almost since the beginning, and in the early days, I was one of those people who badly wanted to discuss 6th gen titles. I don't disagree that the rule change brought down the quality of the board, but it's still nice having a place to to discuss those games that isn't /v/ proper.
Every so often someone floats the idea of a /vr2k/ board, and I think I'd be in favor of that. It'd keep the oldheads happy while also keeping modern shit on /v/.

>>11805858
>and, frankly
dead give away for chat gpt

>>11804436
Let's just say the obvious and get it out there: If EGM hadn't named it #1 in the top 100 games of all time, we wouldn't be talking about it like it's divine. It wouldn't be contrarian to call it "pretty good". It would be ranked high on the list of good SNES games, near LttP and DKC, it's good. It's not the best game between 1978-1997. It just isn't.

>>11806343
Yes, I'm stupid. That was the old issue that named Tetris #1. I forgot and just posted the first one I saw. Here's the one I mean.

(also a note: the same list ranks Pokemon Puzzle League as #18 and Final Fantasy Tactics at #43)

>>11805858
The game is a 10/10 but only the first time you play/finish it
just thinking of getting lost all over again in those same-looking caves makes me not want to play anymore
still a 10/10 though, games don't have an obligation to offer replay value imo

>>11806295
That's not the only tell. What do people get from posting LLM crap? seriously.

>>11806376
>The game is a 10/10 but only the first time you play/finish it
That's the exact opposite experience I have with it. Half the fun of SM is how replayable it is and how deep its mechanics taking a long time to master.

>>11805208
Because normies are plebs. Same reason there's only one good Transformers movie from 1986 and 40 garbage live action ones.

>>11805202
What revisionism? That it was a massively popular game? It wasn't, but that's about it.

No games were massively popular other than like fighting games, platformers, and your edgebait ranging from Doom to Twisted Metal to GTA, JRPGs and adventure games weren't that massive

Even Zelda, the biggest of them all, was not THAT popular until Ocarina, which got a lot more people playing because of the N64s severely limited catalog, but games where you had to run around exploring, item hunting, etc were not very popular before then. JRPGs didnt get popular until Pokemon/FF7

>>11805835
everyone knows that

>>11805858
>most of the rewards boil down to yet another missile or energy upgrade that doesn’t really change how you play.
Not to seem antagonistic but my immediate thought is that you seem overloaded on dopamine or whatever

I think that aspect of the game is pretty perfect, every so often you get a new power/ability, but in between you get basic upgrades...more health, more offensive power, either way you're getting rewarded for exploration and you DO get stylisitic flashy/mechanics changing upgrades like freeze, screw attack, etc as you go on

It sounds like you either didn't play the whole game, or that you just need MOAR which seems to be an ADHD thing of modern gaming giving you a new superpower upgrade for taking two steps

>>11806920
>>11805858
also more health and missiles do change how you play the game, because if you really collect a lot you basically get a non official "super mode" where the game is in easy mode and you can brute force your way through anything. if you lack sufficient missiles and health ups, you have to use manuverability A LOT more to avoid hits and also have to strategically use your missiles lest you get raped by stronger enemies and bosses

>>11806883
The 86 transformers movie a shit. Do not care about tardimus prime, gayvotron and ultra fagnus.
Good parts of movie
>starscream with crown
>when planet man gonna kill faggy nu-formers
>weird al
Bad parts
>everything else

>>11804289 (OP)
Zoomers are mad they missed the 90s

>>11804289 (OP)
It's 50/50, been that way for some time. There's always someone who hates a game that is popular, for no other reason than it being popular. There isn't even many games to match it to in the same era. Metroid stands by itself until castlevania started to use its formula. I suppose some just don't like the format and that's fine.

>>11806926
low-health runs are fun as hell. it turns the game into a ghosts n goblins type deal where exploration is less important than survival. i think a lot of people assume you Have to play this game a certain way because of all le video essays and speedruns routing it out as if there's an optimal way to troid out

>>11806295
chatgpt apparently thinks pushing R is too difficult. the ai uprising is never

>>11806981
>he cares about Autobrats and didn't cum at the slaughter in the beginning
I see you are not my brother

Hollow Knight fanboys. Personally, I like this non-retro game. But SM is so much better.

>>11804841
>zoomers
>console wars
>identity politics
ahhh, so everything wrong with the board two of which since around 2015 and one that is inevitable

>>11806883
Still was less popular and sold less than NES Metroid.

>>11804289 (OP)
The only good things about this game are the art and the music and the animations and the exploration and the enemies and the bosses and the environmental storytelling and the pacing and the powerups and the gameplay.

Everything else about it is shit.

>>11804289 (OP)
>Is it trendy now to say that it sucks?
Why in fuck's name do you ask questions that are 20 years old like you just now started noticing?

>>11807997
You had me there for a second kek
>>11808416
>Why in fuck's name do you ask questions that are 20 years old like you just now started noticing?
Do you know what board you're on? Go back to >>>/v/ if you want to discuss new shit.

>>11807358
Optimus is cool but the rest of the autobutts can eat a dick. Megatron got killed off, that's whatever but Galvatron is fucking gay and made me want Megatron back. They killed off Starscream though and they can get raped by a radioactive great dane for that shit. Inexcusable. Unacceptable. When I was a kid I wanted Starscream to kill both Optimus and Megatron and take over and the 1st time I saw that movie I thought I had gotten my wish. Nope. I wanted the autobots to lose so starscream could win but I couldn't stand the thought of Megabitch taking the credit.

>>11804772
>If it's wrong, that means the citated source is wrong, which is impossible unless the source itself says otherwise.
>If the page doesn't have a single citation, then it's wikifag fanfiction, that's when you can discredit it.

by this logic, when they write an article about you and how you beat your GF and torture puppies, and they cite somewhere (god knows where) said that you did, then when they word it "it is reported that anon beats his GF and tortures puppies," you'd be fine with that right? After all it isn't wikipedia saying it, its this other no-name fuck in the citations that nobody at wikipedia ever bothers to check their integrity (as if you'd trust wikipedia organization to check anyones integrity).

>>11804289 (OP)
You can argue against the first game, but the rest are amazing. Return of Samus set the quality for the rest of the games, and that was an 8bit gameboy game. No one seriously hates SuperM.

>>11805208
>3 Wave Races
Arcade game cabinets with multiplayer.

>>11806376
>getting lost all over again in those same-looking caves
There's an ingame map showing your exact position. The repetition is also minimal. Unless you're talking about the first game, which is repetitive.

>>11804289 (OP)
are you reacting to one thread

>>11804289 (OP)
100 percented it this year
Maridia is still a slog
Ridley is too linear
Up until Phantoon it's a 10

>>11804289 (OP)
>picrel
just write pic related, fuck. I think it's just more younger generations are vocal on the internet and they don't get it.

>>11804289 (OP)
maridia sucks fucking ass and Draygon's fight is even worse. When you have to use a cheese tactic to beat him its a bad fight, plain and simple

>>11809659
OG Metroid is kinda rough, but I'd still rather play it than Return of Samus just because of the viewport. RoS could've been a lot better if they used smaller, less detailed sprites so you could see more stuff on screen at once. However, it wouldn't be as impressive in screenshots if they used smaller sprites, so I understand why they did what they did.
Super Metroid is one of my all time favorite games, and it makes me wish there were more 2D Metroid games on its level. This is also how I feel about A Link to the Past in regards to the Zelda series.

>>11804289 (OP)
its perfect. literally the only 2 issues are very minor
>power bomb to break the maridia tube
>the wall jump sucks
thats it. otherwise its aged very well

Fuck the term Metroidvania. I call them platform adventures because that's what they are, and that could include stuff that had no influence from Metroid like Castle Excellent, Galious or even Jet Set Willy.

>>11811439
>I made up my own term that nobody else uses
hey alright

>>11811442
You'd be saying the same thing about the term FPS in the 1990s.

>>11811451
well yeah, because nobody said that shit in the 90s. if you were some fag insisting on your own little special term because you're such a special little boy instead of just saying "doom clone" like people did at the time, you'd get laughed at.
that said, FPS at least has the advantage of exactly describing the genre's hallmark features. what the fuck is a "platform adventure"? its a nebulous term that requires more explanation than just saying "metroidvania", which everyone already understands.

>>11811460
>Platform
Action game revolving around traversing suspended surfaces and/or walls by means of jumping or climbing.
>Adventure
Implies exploration, finding means to progress to new areas and backtracking. That's basically all there is to the so called "Metroidvanias" and we don't need to stoop to the level of naming an entire genre after two games.
Maze of Galious is a platform adventure. Soul Reaver is a platform adventure. Hollaback Knight is a platform adventure. Super Metroid and Akumajou Dracula X: Gekka no Yasoukyoku are platform adventures.

>>11811424
maridia power bomb is cool fuck you
the problem with maridia isn't entering it it's playing the level

If you had to choose, would you rather spend the rest of your life trapped on an island playing Metroid, or playing Super Mario All Stars + World with the brick fix patch?
Now I'm not saying either game is bad...

>>11805529
This is the problem with anything "unique" that gets remotely popular

>>11804453
>which 16-bit or older game would you pick over Super Metroid
Metroid Zero Mission and Fusion

>>11811613
the fact that you had to write like three paragraphs to explain proves my point.
the word "metroidvania" suffices to get all those ideas across in twelve letters.

>>11811758
>the fact that you had to write like three paragraphs to explain proves my point
Your point being that you're a retard with zero reading comprehension? I wouldn't have to write it out if you didn't explicitly ask. Everybody would automatically associate "platform adventure" with a similar sounding, popular term "action adventure" and connect the dots.

>>11811775
>Everybody would automatically associate "platform adventure" with a similar sounding, popular term "action adventure" and connect the dots
they're not gonna get the "metroid" aspect of the genre out of anything like that
I guess you're autistic or something. a normal person wouldn't assume people will just automatically know what their personal pet terms mean

>>11811816
There is no "metroid" aspect to the genre. All there is are doors and keys, sometimes the key involves a new ability for the character, but it's not exclusive to Metroid.

>>11811708
GBA is 32-bit.

>>11811872
you're too retarded to bother with at this point
enjoy saying phrases nobody understands because you're a giant faggot who has issues with standard terminology

>>11811874
the gba is a glorified portable SNES. it is in no way a 32 bit console

>>11804289 (OP)
I miss when /vr/ didn't include 6th gen. This place is completely fucked when the 360 turns 20.

Who am I kidding? Not like /v/ crossposting zoomers are any worse than having 10 Sega "what if" threads in the catalog.

>>11804841
> SOTN fags who act like SM fags are their rivals just because their game obviously ripped off this one
Sotn “ripped off” castlevania 2, as did sm.

>>11812573
Truth nuke

>>11805858
> Simple actions like aiming diagonally … are way more frustrating
Did you not figure out you could hold one of the L or R buttons to shoot diagonally? Kek

>>11808701
> When I was a kid I wanted Starscream to kill both Optimus and Megatron and take over
Based, same

>>11811775
I get it and like it anon. Metroidvania is kind of a dead term anyway as metroid is more fps these days and castlevania is dead. I’ll take this term back to /v with me.

>>11812573
People don't seem to understand that Konami in the 80s was the absolute king of those post-Zelda action adventure games on MSX and Famicom, whether they were top view (King Kong 2, Metal Gear, Esper Dream) or side view (Maze of Galious, Castlevania 2, Goonies 2). If anything, SotN was drawing from those.

>>11805070
>Nintendo and the game industry will also tell you Super Mario 64 was a success despite performing considerably worse than the mainline games before it.
This is some of the craziest fucking cope I've ever read. Is this one of those British people who worship the "Amiger"?

>>11811890
The GBA has a much more powerful 32-bit CPU than the SNES, though also a smaller resolution and inferior sound system. It can run goddamn Tomb Raider without the aid of any coprocessor expansion chips. I place it somewhere in between the SNES and PS1 overall.
>>11811903
I'd take 360 posting over all the "what if" threads, myself. We already have people discussing PC games from the early 360 era like Oblivion because of the 2007 rule.

Samus is hot.