Why was the final level of Kirby's Adventure in black and white if Gameboy games were green?

They did it to save space. Black and white graphics compress better.

>>11812460 (OP)
people at the time didn't think of GB as being green

>>11812460 (OP)
The color green looked different in the '90s and earlier.

>>11812460 (OP)
>Gameboy games were green
They're clearly gray, dude.

GB games were monochrome.

>>11812460 (OP)
>Gameboy games were green
retard

>>11812460 (OP)
GameBoy games were canonically black and white, as you could see with screenshots on the back of the game boxes. People didn’t start thinking of them as being intentionally green until modern times.

The "green" thing is weird to me. That LCD was always amber with a nudge towards green. But for some reason everyone simulates it with mountain dew filters.

>>11813064
>That LCD was always amber with a nudge towards green
looks green to me

>>11812460 (OP)
Just a proof NES couldn't compare to superior British microcomputahs

>>11813074
>view reflective panel off-axis
>it changes color
WOW

>>11813075
Nintendo poofters were wasting their time with this when they could have been playing Gwimbly the Tangierian Egg

>>11813080
you just had the yellow model

>>11812471
>>11812997
>>11813008
If this isn't a bit, can you guys explain your reasoning further? Did people actually think of Gameboy games as being black and white?

When I was maybe ~7 and my cousin was ~10, he had a gamegear and I had a gameboy. He bragged that the Gamegear was better because it was in-color and Gameboy was black and white. I corrected him that it was black-and-green, but he insisted that it was white and we got in a screaming argument about it that got physical. Eventually I got my gameboy from my room and pointed at the screen and said "SHOW ME WHERE IT'S WHITE" and he said "NO RETARD, IT'S STILL BLACK AND WHITE, LOOK AT IT."

In hindsight I think he just didn't know the word for "Monochrome" and was being a contrarian about it, but it's interesting seeing people say the gameboy is considered B&W, when uh, it isn't.

>>11813086
>If this isn't a bit, can you guys explain your reasoning further? Did people actually think of Gameboy games as being black and white?
That's how they were always presented in preview screenshots.

>>11813064
>>11813080
You're thinking of the Gameboy POCKET, which had a decidedly less fucked looking color.

>>11813090
>Code and Nintendo logo are clearly white
>Screenshots are clearly not white

>>11813090
So it's just secondaries that have never held a gameboy. Got it.

>>11813086
Since they were always shown as black and white in official media >>11813090, there was an understanding that the games were black and white, but the green screen simply made them look green. Though uncommon, there were still black and white TVs kicking around back then, and if you watched newer shows or movies on them, they'd still appear black and white due to the screen technology, but people still knew those shows were meant to be in color. When the GameBoy Pocket released later on, we finally got to see the games in their true black and white.

>>11813098
>i asked for a reason thinking you didnt have one but you did and now im freaking mad!
lmao

>>11813096
kek

>>11813086
>If this isn't a bit, can you guys explain your reasoning further? Did people actually think of Gameboy games as being black and white?

Yes. We were in denial.

>>11813008
I mean if people posit that the visuals of pixel art games were created with the distortion effect of CRT TVs in mind wouldn't it stand to reason that the same thing applies to Gameboy developers and the green screen?

>>11813107
>>11813090
No, it wasn't how it was always shown in the screenshots. I distinctly remember the boxes having green mess screenshots - and look, they did!
Kirby's adventure was released after the Gameboy Pocket, so I'm assuming those are meant to reflect the game on the Pocket.

>>11813102
>Since they were always shown as black and white in official media >>11813090, there was an understanding that the games were black and white, but the green screen simply made them look green.
This. For a long time I even remembered them as black and white. Then I saw some Game Boy filter on an emulator that made everything green and I was like ???. So I looked up a picture of a Game Boy running a game and realized huh I guess they were green.

>>11813127
The CRT thing is something that's been confirmed by gamedevs. AFAIK there weren't really any special effects that made use of the green in the STN display, it was chosen simply because of the reflective nature and contrast, to prevent people from complaining that their games were too hard to see on the screen. Once Nintendo felt they could release a proper black and white display to play the games on, they did.

>>11813139
>reproduction made in some photo editor
Now that's just dishonest.

>>11813148
What release is that?

>>11813086
when everything is green, nothing is green, so we remember the four shades of "grellow" as black and white

also, a lot of us had Game Boy Pocket later

This thread fully demonstrates how a merely silly question can be overwhelmingly surpassed by amazingly idiotic answers

>>11813151
Thanks for pointing that out! However, even some, where they're trying to disguise how the game actually looks, they don't look "black and white" as the Kirby's Dream Land one did.

The boxart screenshot spam really confirms that Nintendo were the first "bullshotters". They don't like they do on any model of GameBoy at the time. Why couldn't they just be honest?

>>11812460 (OP)
My brother always made me let him play this level as payment for beating the second to last boss for me. I have no idea why he liked this level so much, but to this day I don't think I've ever played it myself.

>>11813183
More importantly, why did nobody call Nintendo out on their deceptive advertising?

>>11813135
This is also black on yellow.

>>11813183
I am am finding it interesting as I look through these that, broadly speaking, the ones that show the screenshots as blatenantly slime green are often licensed/shovelware like >>11813153
It seems it was known that you needed to manipulate your GB screenshots to not look like blurry shit on the box.
Interestingly, the JP box for this one has both an actual screenshot and prettied-up one.

>>11813209
Were the non-green screenshots actually prettied-up, or just displayed on whatever sort of monitor the artists were making the art on? GameBoy screens only have that tint due to the choise of polarising film.

>>11813145
I think the only quirk that GB devs took advantage of was the abysmal refresh rate. Mostly to simulate transparency.

>>11813209
That aspect ratio and obvious curve of the one on the left tells me they ran it on a Super Game Boy and just photographed the screen.
The one on the right might also just be a photographed Game Boy screen.

>>11813135
>Kirby's adventure was released after the Gameboy Pocket
What? No it didn't. The GameBoy Pocket released in 1996, Kirby's Adventure released in 1993. The game devs simply thought of their own previous GameBoy title as being black and white.

>>11813214
That would make sense, yeah. I could definitely see the dipshits behind Escape From Camp Deadly not knowing about whatever widely-available way to take scwreenshots there was and just photographing the screen.

>>11813187
>More importantly, why did nobody call Nintendo out on their deceptive advertising?

brb, going back in time to write scathing posts on Usenet

>>11813254
People really seemed to be dumber consumers back then. Lots like that still around today, but we are now at least aware enough to call out deceptive marketing instead of silently accepting it.

>>11813209
I might be seriously misremembering but wasn't there some proprietary Nintendo kiosk thing that let devs output gameboy screens to a CRT? Obviously before the Super Gameboy.
I think thats's how a numeber of those screenshots were taken.

>>11813289
Its called the Wide Boy, and its basically just a Super Game Boy but for the Famicom. See https://www.chrismcovell.com/wideboy.html

>>11812470
no they don't, it's still 2bpp you fucking idiot

>>11812460 (OP)
It was very prescient for Kirby's Adventure to do a throwback/nostalgia level.
But very funny considering Kirby's Adventure was the second game and came out only one year after the first one.

>>11813258
Rightly no one gave a shit about screenshots on the back of the box being the wrong color, they wanted to play the game, not be an activist online.

>>11813359
>nobody wanted to call out deceptive advertisements
Yeah, which is how we got into the mess we were in later on, but thankfully people learned to start questioning this later on.

>>11813387
What mess in particular would winging on the internet have prevented?

>>11813414
making people aware of blatant corporate fuckery
bullshots became way less common than they used to be (virtually the entire fucking GameBoy library was advertised with them) after devs were publicly dragged for it and review bombed enough

>>11813423
So really just the "mess" that was deceptive screenshots on the back of boxes?
I lived through that time period, it was a non-issue.

>>11813435
>I slurped corporate cum while they lied about how their games looked and saw no issue with it
I'm happy for you mate

>>11813436
No one cared about what was on the back of the box and somehow we all played lots of good games. Again, non-issue.

>>11813445
Yes, we've established that people back then were corporate cuckolds happy to eat up the blatant lies being served to them with no complaints.

>>11813008
>People didn’t start thinking of them as being intentionally green until modern times
No, the green tint of the screen was absolutely acknowledged at the time, like the kiosk which had green film over the screen, and the WideBoy even had a GB screen-esque yellowish green palette. But yes, the games were programmed in greyscale, of course.

>>11813450
Just to be clear, you're mad that the game on the box is a different color?

>>11813450
The inaccurate screenshots didn't make the games bad, they had no negative consequence.

>>11813457
Not quite, it's more that I'm amused that people just saw corporations falsely advertising their products to them as a normal and acceptable thing.

>>11813460
You're incensed that people didn't care about a deception that had no consequence.

>>11813473
>false advertisement has no consequence
Very American viewpoint, you need to understand that consumer rights laws are more prevalent in the developed part of the world.

>>11813482

>>11813482
>>11813494
>America

>>11813482
>>11813505
>Japan

>>11813505
That's fake
>>11813151
And attitudes have changed since then, particularly in Europe.

>America

>>11813515
>Japan

>>11813145
>Wrong 4:3 ratio

https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11787401#p11791449

>>11813515
>>11813517
Not sure if you're trying to prove otherwise, but neither of these look anywhere near how they do on a GameBoy

>>11813524
The US box is much closer than the Japanese one, in either case. It didn't matter, though, because anybody who bought these games had a GameBoy and knew exactly how things looked, be they European, American, or Japanese.

>>11813527
>The US box is much closer than the Japanese one
Not really. Slightly closer at best. In any event, this was a pointless conversation given that I was referring to people back then, generally speaking, being okay with false advertisement. I only mentioned America in reference to the fact that these attitudes apparently persist if your sentiments are anything to go by, while in Europe for example, they have since changed dramatically over the years to the point where corporations lying to the public is greatly frowned upon and has laws enacted against it.

>>11812460 (OP)
The Gameboy Pocket was grey.

>>11813954
The GameBoy Pocket didn't exist until a few years later.

As you've seen in this thread OP, there was no consistency in the way Nintendo portrayed the GB, they seem to change their mind on how they marketed it and likely they didn't even care and different teams just handled it differently.
As far as screenshots on the back of the game and/or magazines, i believe it's because sometimes they used the official way to capture the screens like the wideboy, and sometimes some teams just had no resources and literally took pictures of the game boy. I interviewed someone that worked at a third party company and he explained how they used to take pictures for promotional stuff and he mentioned game boy was specifically difficult to capture because they had to take pictures from a game boy and the glare made it hell to achieve.

>>11813086
>announce to the world you have no idea what you're talking about
>>11813460
>i'm not wrong! you just got swindled!
>i-it's false advertising!

>>11813339
On NES you just flip a single bit for monochromatic mode. That saves space compared to creating a new background palette. Nothing to do with compression tho

>>11814232
Wouldn't devs have been able to see what the games looked like on the computer monitors they were using to program the games? Or were they doing command line only with a GB hooked up to the PC as the only way to see everything in action?

>>11812460 (OP)
>Sakurai wanted Kirby to be pink
>Miyamoto wanted Kirby to be yellow

It's Sakurai rubbing it in.

>>11814880
cute image but no
the code needed to set the ppumask greyscale bit would take up more space than the whopping four bytes needed to define the background palette, also the greyscale mode doesn't even have a black color
the only way they could actually save any space is with 1bpp graphics, and even then kirby's adventure is literally the largest game on the nes, clearly hal didn't give a shit about saving rom space

>>11815773
Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Sals

people at the time understood that the green LCD was simply the cheapest sturdy option that had good contrast. them being monochrome meant that people read it as being "intended" to be black and white despite the technical limitations.

>>11815349
He worked for the company, he wasn't a developer, so I'm guessing devs didn't provide whatever tools they had to the other teams.
This was at least in the beginning, there was no "how to" guide or anything written yet.

>>11813086
The screens didn't turn green until after the 90s. It's like how snes turned yellow

>>11819495
A funny idea, but the color of the DMG screens probably did change over time, due to materials breaking down with age.
It's why color reproduction and accuracy is so challenging, we don't have access to freshly manufactured units. Even units kept pristine in storage would've aged and changed.