In retrospect, this is the game that killed Naughty Dog.

What does it mean to kill Naughty Dog? Stop following studios and start following people.

Naughty Dog were always trend-chasers. They never died, they just kept doing what they've always done.

>>11815407 (OP)
It's the best Jak game and it's not even close

Their best game killed it??

It was The Last of Us ensuring they couldn't be wacky anymore and had to be a soap opera.

>>11815414
yaaasss i love celebs!!!

>>11815468
People make games, not studios. It's that simple.

>>11815407 (OP)
It didn't really kill them considering they only became more successful and more of a critical darling afterward. But yes it sucks and all their games after suck

>>11815415
Yeah...

Like Jak and Daxter is a Mario 64/Banjo clone that while good, came late


GTA 3 blows up and the sequel is now a GTA Clone.

>>11815441
Gonna respond,add to>>11815595,
and say that mentality also affected Jak 2 https://web.archive.org/web/20070205015040/http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=89534

>>11815669
>that pic
Disgusting, makes me want to vomit.

>>11815669
He's right. There's a reason only Nintendo was still doing the bing bing wahoo thing.

>>11815884
I'm trying to put myself in the mindset and I'm just like, "jesus bro get your head out your ass."
I get they wanted the medium to be taken more seriously like film, but it's like we also want it to be fun?
I'd rather play sunshine over ratchet and clank for fun factor alone, the talking is all just side stuff unless integrated somehow into the gameplay.

>>11815407 (OP)
why is it called jak 2?
what happened to daxter?

>>11815889
The mindset is that Nintendo and their cultish fanbase are perfectly happy with stagnation, but the video game medium has far more potential than that.

>>11815889
Sunshine was rubbish, Nintendo fans hated it back then and still hate it today except for conveniently when they feel the need to defend Nintendo against contemporaries. Ratchet & Clank was excellent but those inside of the Nintendo bubble are not allowed to admit it.

>>11815914
I'm not gonna defend Sunshine, but that mentality isn't worth defending, especially when they were just chasing trends.

>>11815919
Nintendo were chasing trends themselves, until they hit on a formula in the mid-late 80s that struck a chord with their fanbase, then subsequently recycled those same IPs over and over and over for half a century plus while their cult lapped it up

>>11815902
>Nintendo and their cultish fanbase
it's everyone, major developers have done jack to move gaming beyond the 3d action story campaigns that were born in the 90s and 00s, only refinements of the same idea. nintendo at least attempted something different with motion albeit incompetently/antagonistically.

>>11815407 (OP)
I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS!

>>11815945
Nah other developers made great strides, Nintendo just remained stuck in the past

>killed
they hadn't even started yet. the only good games naughty dog has ever made is the uncharted series.

jak 1 gets close but the controls are so fucking jank it's shit as a platformer

>>11815964
What? Those are movies, not games. Also not retro.

>>11815964
What the fuck is so jank about Jak's controls? Not enough slow cinematic cliff climbing for you?

>>11816031
so you're just going to pretend that the utter lack of precision jumping is acceptable for a sixth gen console and not so inferior to even mario 64 that it's laughable? alright.

>>11816065
What lack of precision jumping? You can even stall to correct landings by spinning.

>>11815929
That wasn't what I was referring to exactly.

>>11815889
I'd rather play Ratchet over Jak at this point.

>>11815889
Try to remember the era and you'll understand his logic.
The Gamecube was underperforming, Mario Sunshine was a letdown to many, Wind Waker would have a cartoony artstyle and disappoint, games like Metal Gear Solid were both relatively new and still innovating, violent and offensive games like Grand Theft Auto took the world by storm, etc etc.

It legitimately looked like Nintendo was on the way out and that their style of games was no longer what most people or even what most kids wanted. This feeling that Nintendo had run its course as a gamemaker would persist until the massive success of the Switch and so many of their games released on it.

>>11818271
>This feeling that Nintendo had run its course as a gamemaker would persist until the massive success of the Switch and so many of their games released on it.
Genuinely the worst nintendo console ever. Expensive, years behind in tech, and only has nostalgia bait disguised as games. The successor console doubled down on everything bad about the Switch. How did it succeed while Gamecube failed, really?

>>11815414
>start following people.

John Carmack still has a restraining order against me and won’t return my calls.

Funny how edginess was rejected

>>11818386
Switch succeeded because it finally got back legitimate third-party support to Nintendo consoles after they lost it with the N64 and Gamecube.

>>11818386
GC had no multimedia, barely any online, constant game droughts, and a kiddie image.
>only has nostalgia bait disguised as games
Whatever the fuck that means. Ring Fit Adventure sold 15 million copies.

>>11818459
Third party games run like slideshows with absolutely decimated graphics settings on switch 1. Switch 2 reportedly has very poor 3rd party support due to nintendo holding back devkit distribution. I'd rather own a GC.

>>11818465
>no multimedia
Just like switch.
>barely any online
Switch and switch 2 have shit wifi and crappy online games.
>kiddie image
Better than the toddler image switch has I suppose.

>>11818459
Doubtful, considering the 23 best selling games on it are first-party, Smash Bros or Pokemon

>>11815407 (OP)
Naughty Dog was never this amazing company so many made them out to be. The Crash games were great of course but ND never owned the franchise. Also the first Crash could have been a lot better if it had proper analog stick movement. Also seen it said a lot now about the hit detection in these games all being off. Not sure myself would have to go back. I at least remember the PS1 era of Crash being good times though. So ND deserves credit for at least being good back then. But were they the best company ever at that time? No way far from it. They were just the Crash guys which is okay.

So during the PS2 to me they became the Jak and Daxter guys. Crash declined in popularity and I wasn't sure why nor cared to truly find out. Only later did I discover well it never belonged to ND. I guess I found it rather sad Crash wasn't owned by Sony? But I didn't care much. I was into other games. So anyways going back to Jak, I liked these games. I liked them even more than the Crash games. They were solid platformers and had just the right amount of edge for most PS2 fans of the day who likely were coming of age just as I was back in the day. So in retrospect no this didn't kill ND to me it made them even better. Solid games, but again the best in that era? Nope far from it.

So then that brings us to what we now know as modern ND (PS3-PS5) era. Somehow people see ND as this legendary company that I just never saw them as. I never cared to even play Uncharted or TLOU. I did play a tiny amount of Uncharted 2 but nothing about that game truly impressed me to the point that I had to buy and play it now. I will never understand why this company got so hyped up. It seems to me only because its one of Sony's more prolific studios. Besides that there really shouldn't be any real reason they have their reputation. TLOU admittedly has some good graphics, motion capture and tech. Shooting looks solid to. I just don't get the hype for the story and characters though.

>>11818565
Aaaand a bunch of made up schizophrenic garbage. Hate the Switch for things that are real.

>>11815407 (OP)
this disappointed me after the first Jak which I loved, and I didn't get into the rest of the series. should I check out any of the other games?

>>11820386
No

>>11815434
maybe on planet retard