The biggest glow up i have ever seen

Squaresoft on SNES is alright but miles behind their PS1 output

>>11819232 (OP)
Sakaguchi was the man

>>11819236
Not sure he made the shitty movie

The best Final fantasy are made by Kitase (7-8-10)

>>11819232 (OP)
This to me is when square died, all the SNES games are the only square games I enjoy.

Repost of a repost.

>>11819239
>The best Final fantasy are made by Kitase (7-8-10)
All thanks to the Gooch man, you ungrateful swine

>>11819243
Dying website, we set the engagement bot to repeat old threads because we can't make anything new, prease understand

Has anyone played Saga Frontier 1 and 2?

One of the few Squaresoft PS1 games I haven't played.

Your opinions?

>>11819232 (OP)
Why do people feel the need to console war over a third party’s output? Everyone knows they were making classic after classic all throughout 4th and 5th gen. Their Famicom output was already commendable. They have a bunch of awesome shit that never even left Japan I’m still discovering, like Gun Hazard. These guys dominated a whole genre for years and years, and you want to pretend like they were only good on one console?

>>11819257
To graciously give you an angle to argue from, so you get to join the discussion

>>11819257
I didn't say they were bad Live a live is pretty dope

But their PS1 era is on a whole other level

Both in term of experimentation (SNES Square is very basic with some exception like live a live), storytelling (Xenogear,FF tactics,Chrono cross, FF7), production value (the amazing cinematics and pre rendered background) and battle system (the amazing customisation of FF7 and 8,the complexe multi layered system of vagrant story etc...)

>>11819257
> Everyone knows they were making classic after classic all throughout 4th and 5th gen. Their Famicom output was already commendable

Their Famicom and NES games were already great as soon as Sakaguchi and Gabelli joined (before that they really struggled and the games were okay at best). 3-D World Runner and Rad Racer were both classics that got sequels. FF1 pushed the enveloppe on what an JRPG could be while everyone else just copy-pasted DQ or were making discount Wizardry

Also meanwhile on Game Boy FFA and FFL are also classics.
Their games were already topping the sales and players favourite charts before the SNES, both in Japan and in the US (where they heavily benifited from Nintendo publishing for their first releases)

Anyway it's a shame that both Hanjuku Hero and Tom Sawyer are still untranslated

>>11819272
That isn't the case at all. PSX era Square is MORE experimental, but SNES era Square was absolutely pushing things.
The SNES is a very limited platform that is designed to play games that look and play like FF4. I don't think you've played many SNES JRPGs if you don't immediately see how crazy FF6 is for the platform. You're also leaving out the Romancing Saga games and the Mana games in terms experimental titles. SD3 barely even works because what they are trying to do is to much for the system.

>>11819272
FF7's story is much worse than that of FF6, it's much more cliche anime plot, where the main annoying thing like that present even in FF6 is "le demure chosen one magic girl damsel/akshully shes powerful but still just a demure waifu"

>>11819382
>The SNES is a very limited platform that is designed to play games that look and play like FF4
Definitely not, since FF4 was originally designed to be a Famicom game (they were 80% done before the platform switch, according to Sakaguchi) and everyone talks about how it doesn’t really look like a SNES game.

>>11819409
Most third party JRPGs look a whole lot like FF4 and not a whole lot like Chrono Trigger. I've seen that argument before and that's taking a piece of information (started development as an NES game) and wildly stretching it to "yeah I guess if you squint, add 4 times the detail, add actual backgrounds, and of course the real time combat system which would be a fucking disaster on NES it looks kind of like an NES game".

>>11819409
FF4 looks bad, but FF5 wasn't much better. FF6 was the good lookin one.

>>11819397
>FF7's story is much worse than that of FF6
Strongly disagree.

>>11819397
FF7 story and characters are the less shonen anime of any FF actually

Many characters suffers a brutal and sudden death (avalanche,Aerith,Zack)

The main character is a litteral nobody who failed to become a Soldier ,not a chosen one

The main vilain is a the thing alien type

>>11819253
Extremely unconventional console RPGs fueled by tabletop autism. And both of those games are wildly different from each other.
>SaGa Frontier 1
Mostly non-linear RPG where you select character campaigns (about 10 hours each) and travel through different worlds. Has different races: humans, mechs, monsters, and mystics. All races have their own unique progression mechanics. Battles feature a combo system which is a first for the series.
>SaGa Frontier 2
Story focused game where you progress by picking chapters between two different storylines taking place in the same world over the course of a century or so. Battles retain combos from SF1 but also feature 1v1 duels and wars.

Neither of these games are among my favorite SaGa titles but they're good games nonetheless. They probably require more of an open mind to get into than other Square titles because again they're very unconventional. Their remasters are probably the go-to these days since they feature additional content and QoL.

>>11819437
FF4 looks good and FF5 looks even better.

>>11819490
Did you play the GBA versions?

>>11819492
I prefer everything about the Super Nintendo versions, so I usually play those, but yes, I have them on GBA and completed them at least once.

>>11819397
FFVI is my favorite but FFVII’s story shits all over it. The fist half is mostly boring and generic and the second half stops having much of a coherent plot once it goes open world (but there are still some great character moments)

>>11819768
FF 6 just has bits, really. Enjoyable moments, true.

Can't say I was terribly invested in something like Celes suddenly calling that one guy "daddy" (wtf) and the old guy dies immediately as you grab fish. Ambitious, impressive for SNES.

How would you guys describe Celes? I couldn't really grasp her.

>>11819786
>How would you guys describe Celes? I couldn't really grasp her.
A character trying her best to reclaim her identity/life while coming to terms that her former life was based on lies. Strong yet fragile, hence why she is so emotionally dependent on Cid and Locke.

>>11819382
ff6 is not graphically impressive. 4 is clearly a nes game and the the least impressive rpg on the snes. Compare with breath of fire 2 (shit game but amazing graphics) or phantasy Star 4 on genesis

>>11819490
ff4 is an 8 bit game ported to snes at the last secon. It looks like shit.

>>11819424
No they don't. Pretty much ever other rpg on snes looks better than ff4

>>11819232 (OP)
>1 good game

>>11819232 (OP)
Is this gonna be a weekly thread? How about a "What if the Saturn succeeded" thread? Or a "What if FF7 was on N64" thread? Or a "How did people in 2001 react to Shadow the Hedgehog" thread?

>>11819232 (OP)
Both their SNES and PS1 eras were pretty good. The only difference was that with the PS1, most of the games were localised with a few exceptions like Racing Lagoon or Soukaigi.

>>11821027
>posts unrelated seizure gif

>>11821074
Yeaa babby.

>>11821168
Proper image with the SaGa series included.

>>11819232 (OP)
Lightning in a bottle, they had great people and they had fuck you money from FF.

>>11821018
>ff6 is not graphically impressive
>Compare with breath of fire 2 or phantasy Star 4 on genesis
I disagree. FF always had amazing enemy art, but by FF6 everything else was stunning as well.

Phantasy Star 4's cutscenes were cool though

>>11821203
Just did a long sidequest and the only reward is chilling out, it even tells you that that is the point at one point.

>>11819240
>nobuo uematsu on the right

>>11819397
they're both saturday morning cartoons.

>pure unfiltered soul in sweegy woods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgHdfuPbO78

Linear RPGs are boring. They have no replayability. It's just like watching a soap opera.

>>11821878
Well if you don't like linear RPG just play legend of mana

>>11821912
Is it a sandbox RPG? That's the only kind of RPG I can play, because you can do no-death runs with them without getting too repetitive.

>>11821284
FF6 mainly uses unimpressive tile graphics, and 8 bit character sprites. The enemies are static pngs. There is nothing impressive about the game. You just like the art direction, which is fine, but technically speaking there's nothing impressive about it at all.

>>11821946
It's impressive how GOOD FF6 looks. And that intro where the mechs march through the snow towards the town on the horizon with the music.. yup it's top kino for the 16 bit era

>>11821946
>1994
>png

You just outed yourself

>>11821027
>>11819409
>ff4 is an 8 bit game ported to snes at the last secon. It looks like shit.
FF4 was always going to be a SFC game, FF5 was the NES game that got retooled into being a SFC game halfway through its development. FF4 does look like shit though.

>>11819253
SaGa Frontier 1 is one of my most replayed RPGs, it's great. Nice remaster too.

>>11819409
Cool, so what's 5's excuse for looking just like 4?

>>11822001
>>11822001
again, entirely direction. Nothing technically impressive about it at all.

>>11822003
I was being a smart ass, dumb ass.

>>11822715
I never said it was "technically" impressive.

treasure of the rudras looks way better than ff4-6

magical land of wozz looks better than ff4-6

lennus 2 looks better than ff4-6

far East of Eden zero looks better than ff4-6

>>11822732
>>11822762
>>11822768
Better than FF4

>>11822646
It doesn't. It has more detail and better use of color.

>>11822009
It's a cool as shit game. I never played it at the time, but it really transported me back to the 90s when I played the remaster. The magic system, the skill system and the stories are all cool and fun.

>>11822782
It's Red Company, of course it looks nicer the Squaresoft trash

>>11822768
>>11822782
Never liked this style of battle screen for a JRPG

>>11819786
>and the old guy dies immediately as you grab fish
there's hidden mechanics to this, turns out it's a mini-game. if you get the faster moving fish you can save him, the slower moving fish hurt him

>>11824546
Oh.. Does he become a party member?

>>11824546
>6's character death has gameplay
>7's character death is a cutscene
7 continues ti just be a casualized 6

>>11824912
7's characters death are important and impactfull

6 is again just a rough prototype of 7

>>11824912
>>7's character death is a cutscene
I remember it having a battle just before, or after? In 6 you click a fish and a few text boxes

>>11819232 (OP)
remove the top left and mid left game, then its perfect

You could just make games with smaller teams, the company was oozing with money from their successes so they could invest in more teams that all wanted to compete against each other while still passing each other tips on how to do certain things, and a company that is allowing for people to be experimental. Of course this all reaches a boiling point where it all falls apart and after the movie bombed, and PS2 became more difficult to work with and the RPG boom was slowing down, it hit square hard.
Something similar happened to Rareware on the N64, look at all the hits they were able to make, and by the end of the gen, the buy out, and new owners etc, they were never the same.
You can think of many other companies like this that had "eras" of hit after hit only to die, from the arcade era to other ones.
Failure to adapt.

>>11824917
Gotta give props to 7 for giving Aeris a full set of Limit Breaks so you really have no idea she's out early.
>>11825023
Yeah I know, I just thought it was a funny way to look at it.

>>11821074
8 and Tactics are the only truly great FF games

>>11821878
point and laugh at the retard

>>11819253
Liked the art style of 2 better but the gameplay of 1 more. They have basically the same combat but 1 generally gives you more time and freedom of choice. I recommend you check out the art book for 2 on sadpanda even if you don't play it because the artist is really good