I just beat this for the first time recently and thought it has held up exceptionally well. I have a few minor quibbles with the overworld or nitpicks about dungeon design, but as a whole it is just a timeless classic with rock solid fundamentals, great pacing, satisfying difficulty, and established the mold for Zelda games to come.

I just don't get why so many gamers, especially younger ones, take issue with it or say it has aged poorly.

It's the best Zelda game and one of my top 5 favorite games of all time

Does anybody outside of /vr and I guess /v actually hate this game?

>>11819995 (OP)
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/11569962/#11569962

>>11819995 (OP)
After the 2014 attack on OoT by LTTP fans led by Egoraptor, OoT fans retaliated and put them back in their place.

This is the best Zelda and standardized the series. It also aged way better than Ocarina of Time. Good 2D > Bad 3D.

>>11820026
I'm way more annoyed by the constant comparisons to OOT, they're completely different games for obvious reasons, and I like both.
And now we also have zoomers parroting that retarded Egoraptor video.

It's ugly.
Minish Cap would have been better but they fell for the Fedora's Mask dungeon count meme.

>>11820391
>And now we also have zoomers parroting that retarded Egoraptor video.
Rent free, nobody gives as shit about what Arin Gay Grumps has to say, not after the backpedaling and Sr Pelo drama

Only weird people with some kind of inferiority complex hate this game.

Really, fucking really? My comment was deleted just because I mentioned a shitty youtuber?

>>11819995 (OP)
What "hate" are your referring to??? This is arguably THE single most acclaimed SNES game after SMW and Chrono Trigger . Perhaps you saw some zoomie eceleb say it's "le bad"?
In fact I'll just say it, it's a tad overrated. I just always feel people think Zelda is the second coming of Jesus, while to me it's a solid 9/10 but not more than that. I'd easily play a sequel, I just won't play a randomizer and obsess over the game.
It's great, literally everyone thinks it's great. Whoever says it's not is either a zoomer, a contrarian or a console war fag. End of story.

>>11820395
mc is following wind waker's example more than mm

what kind of bizarre echo chamber do these ops crawl out of

>>11820423
and both game are aonuma bullshit, coincidentally enough.

How much of a persecution complex do Zeldafags have?

>>11820395
It didn't dawn on me until my most recent replay, but she was definitely black at some point during development. Look at her lips

>>11820516
Nah, it's just a common thing the Japanese do in general when depicting comically ugly characters, regardless of race.

ALttP is the only Zelda game I've I never had the desire to replay. I've played Z1, OoT and Seasons alone probably 20+ times each, and I even get the occasional urge to play shit like TP, but ALttP man... it's fucking rotten. It's just an ugly little mess of a game.

The gaudy colors, Link's faggy pink hair, the 8 rocks, the buck tooth skulls, the octopus trees, the chibi character designs, the misreadable sprites by the assload, the ridiculously unsatisfying bouncy house sword combat, only being able to use ONE FUCKING ITEM AT A TIME, the incredibly small and cramped world, the fact they thought giving you a pee and poop colored version of the same world would make up for the world being small and cramped, the absolutely unforgivably dogshit dungeons that are unanimously made up individual square rooms with even less variation than Z1 (which was forgivable because it was a fucking NES game), the shit bosses... I could go on and fucking on.

I even hate the title screen. Just look at this fucking sword, what kind of grip is that? It looks like a clown dildo that's only big enough for three fucking fingers to hold, not to mention the retarded bulbous protrusion that I refuse to call a chappe, or the retarded bulbous guard. Go ahead and tell me I'm an autistic nitpicker, maybe I am, but it's the death of 1000 cuts. There's so many tiny, irritating details like this spread over the whole experience that it just ruins the game as a whole.

I'm afraid his homosexuality is terminal.

>>11820609
Agreed, OP should sudoku, as it were.

>>11819995 (OP)
>I just beat ALTTP for the first time and I don't get why not everyone loves it
Try beating it a couple more times and see if your opinion changes.
It's a very dry game. It's satisfying, it's engaging, but outside of a few moments (the intro, getting the Master Sword, entering the Dark World) it subdued and not very exciting. On repeat playthroughs the appeal of those moments wears off and it becomes clear how simple the game really is.

>>11819995 (OP) (OP)
>I just beat ALTTP for the first time and I don't get why not everyone loves it
Try beating it a couple more times and see if your opinion changes.
It's a very dry game. It's satisfying, it's engaging, but outside of a few moments (the intro, getting the Master Sword, entering the Dark World) it's subdued and not very exciting. On repeat playthroughs the appeal of those moments wears off and it becomes clear how simple the game really is.

>>11819995 (OP)
>is the hate warranted
>posts one of the most well regarded games ever
spend less time on 4chan

>>11819995 (OP)
I refuse to play a game where Link has pink hair

>>11820660
Based, me too.

>>11819995 (OP)
Most of it can be done without a guide, but the last sword upgrade, ice rod, and silver arrows (the latter two which are mandatory) are easily missed and can be very frustrating if you do (medallions to an extent, but at least those obviously gate progress).

The magic system can really fuck you over and waste your time if you fully run out (I think in dungeons you can retry without saving if you suicide). This is really annoying with shit like the first enemy of ice temple or when you use medallion to uncover dungeons. It basically makes you never want to use magic outside of dungeons.

Dungeons can have quite a bit backtracking, especially if you fail to boss.

No way to tell which pits damage you vs. which lead to new areas without manually testing.

Those are really the only (minor) issues. It's definitely a great game, but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or best Zelda or anything.

I’m replaying it now. It’s damn near perfect.

I especially enjoyed how once you got to the dark world, they went gloves off and the dungeons became downright fuck-you tricky. It’s been at least ten years since I’ve played it and a few of them threw me for a slight loop; I remember them downright stumping the shit out of me as a kid

>>11820760
downright gay post, pardner

>>11819995 (OP)
dude its zelda everyone rides its dick and the people shitting on it are just reacting to the excessive hype and overratedness. Both are correct

>no one hates LttP!!!11
Meanwhile in this very thread:

>>11820395
>>11820606
>>11820646
>>11820660
>>11820789

>>11820770
Well im gay, so. ======D ~~~

It filters casuals

To me, ALTTP is a solid 7.5 out of 10 game. Falters a slight bit in a few aspects, but for a 16-bit console game of its type, it's very well put together and it's enjoyable to play, it's a classic for a reason.
The sequel/quasi-remake on 3DS, ALBW, redoes the formula in a fairly good way, though it also is a bit too easy, so I strongly recommend playing on Hero Mode if you can.

ALTTP is also bit easy, but that's kinda fine to me, every other year or so, I'm in the mood for a game like this, and so I play an easygoing and fun game like this.

>>11819995 (OP)
It's the best and most comfy Zelda.

>hate
nobody hates LttP except people trying to elevate their own personal Zelda to the #1 spot, same with OoT

>>11820830
you can find someone to bitch about any game on this board.

>>11820606
Take your meds

>>11821981
LttP is not easy, most zoomers say it's too hard. Bosses are too easy with bottles, but that's about it

>>11822057
>Bosses are too easy with bottles
ok so if bosses arent hard then whats the hard part about the game?

>>11822029
Stay mad

>>11822063
Finding out where to go and what items you need. Most people get stuck looking for the next dungeon in the dark world and give up, and this is why Navi is always nagging the player in OoT about where to go next.

>>11822063
Mostly the part when you first truly enter the Dark World after Agahnim and the monsters are wiping out 2-4 hearts a hit, which can quickly kill you if you're not paying attention. Things even out once you get more hearts and eventually the armor upgrades.

>>11822063
Navigating to the end of the dungeon while conserving your magic and health. Especially dying after a boss where you spawn with half health and need to navigate all the way back

Figuring out where to go in the overworld if you don't use a guide.

Some puzzles can be a bit tricky

>>11820020
Of course it is. Because naturally, every time someone mentions a Zelda game, it can’t just be good — no, no — it has to be “the best Zelda game” and “one of my top 5 favorite games of all time.”

What isn’t in someone’s “top 5 favorite games of all time” these days? I swear everyone’s top 5 is actually a top 200, secretly. Every NES, SNES, PS1, N64 game they ever touched as a child? One of the greatest of all time. Their third-favorite GBA game they barely remember? Of all time.

Amazing how time keeps passing, new games keep releasing, entire genres evolve... but that same list of “top 5 of all time” just keeps stretching like a Zelda hookshot into infinity.

>>11822057
>LttP is not easy
It is though?

>>11822152
Not at all. Progression, dungeons, and some bosses are all quite difficult. Not insanely hard, but definitely harder than your average Mega Man, Castlevania, Ninja Gaiden, Contra, etc. Even for SNES standards it is quite difficult, so you can imagine the leap in difficulty for anyone used to modern games.

When you know exactly what to do, have upgraded weapons, upgraded magic, plenty of bottles, it becomes a lot easier. That applies to all games, even moreso than LttP for most of them. But a first time player won't have that, and LttP requires both execution skill and knowledge to succeed.

>>11819995 (OP)
It's boring, too cartoon-y, Link has pink hair, it's actually next to unplayable if you come into it after playing Link's Awakening, the tight, better version of LttP

>>11822149
I mean... it kinda is though? Out of the thousands of games on SNES, universal top 6 is like LttP, Super Mario World, Mega Man X, Super Metroid, DKC2, Chrono Trigger. It's easily one of the top games on what many would consider the console with the best library of all time.

I wouldn't put in my top 5 personally, but it's a really solid game, a timeless classic, and I can see why someone would, especially considering nostalgia that people spent their formative years playing it. Also, those who like and play Zelda are more likely to click on a thread about that game compared to random sampling of gamers that probably never grew up with LttP and have no emotional attachment to it.

>>11822304
>but definitely harder than your average Mega Man, Castlevania, Ninja Gaiden, Contra, etc
That's really, REALLY not true at all.

>>11822304
I completely disagree. Maybe because I know the game like the back of my hand, but yeah...

If you like LTTP get the randomizer and have days of fun. It's the best thing ever made.

>>11822662
It definitely is to me, and I'd imagine many others. None of those games I listed are particularly hard. GnG or Battletoads or NG2 on MNM or whatever are much harder

>>11820026
I highly doubt even the majority of /vr/ or /v/ hate this game outside of some people just doing it to troll.

>>11822662
Ninja Gaiden is arguably harder, and specifically CV3, but the others are not too tough, much easier than LttP.

>>11822304
No it isn't. Link to the Past is easier than those games outside of progression since those are go to the right games. The level design, enemy design, and bosses are all much harder than LttP. Talk about a NES game if you want to point to a Nintendo made game that has difficulty.

>>11822314
The dungeon design is much better in Awakening over LttP.

>>11822901
I mean if you have every optimal overworld item at the earliest time, then *maybe* arguably the dungeons are easier, but that's a BIG if.

I'd still say Mega Man and Castlevania are easier as they are both much shorter and items/weapons trivialize those games moreso than LttP.

And Contra is just a short, easy game in general unless you mean like Hard mode of Contra 3 or US version of Hard Corps which makes it hard to practice the bosses (even though the bosses themselves are pure memo and very easy when you know the method)

>>11819995 (OP)
DAE think this is a hidden gem??

>>11822930
Game length doesn't necessarily mean they're easier. Tons of 15~30 minute games are difficult. Something like Contra and Super C takes plenty of practice to get to the end, and will send you straight to the start. LttP is significantly more forgiving than some of the games you've mentioned that either have one hit deaths or can allow the player to immediately die from getting crushed or falling into a pit.

>>11822304
Ninja Gaiden and Contra are each infinitely harder than A Link To The Past, stop bullshitting.

>>11822698
Ninja Gaiden and Contra are comparatively very unforgiving. They are short and linear adventures, but you don't get to die as much as you want, you don't get to save and load, you don't get frequent health or ammo restores to scrounge from the environment, you don't get to accumulate a whole host of different tools and weapons to carry with you at once to solve all kinds of different problems, and you definitely do not get to carry with you health or ammo restores to use at your leisure.

They also do not scatter health and armor upgrades all over the game like candy, letting you slowly grow stronger and more resilient.
Shit, Contra doesn't even give you a lifebar, ONE hit and you're out, your only option is to not get hit.

A Link To The Past has its difficulty curve (and it's actually a really good progression, the challenge for its intended level is very well crafted), and while foreknowledge blunts that a bit, the game is still VERY forgiving and completely open to you taking things leisurely and at your own pace. If you get killed, you can always try again and again, if you run out of ammo or money, you can always scrounge more, and you get to keep all the progress you've made, no matter what.
Low on health and ammo and you think you can't make it much longer? You can outright escape the dungeon to go and restock to try again. Wanna just experiment and see what happens? You can, at no lasting risk.

>>11823123
Backtracking to a boss after dying is half the length of Contra.

Ninja Gaiden and Castlevania have unlimited continues and items trivialize the few difficult parts of the game. LttP is a sprawling difficult game with labyrinthine levels that are even much more difficult without bottles, sword upgrades, magic upgrades, and optional items.

Also even with the upgrades, you are typically dying in just a few hits in LttP, and the levels are much more dense and unpredictable in terms of enemies and hazards.

I would say everything except Contra is more forgiving as they have unlimited continues with no resource loss like LttP, they are also much shorter, simpler, and with less missable items/upgrades. And again, Contra is just easy and short, it takes little time to master the game.

>>11819995 (OP)
I played link to the past like a week or two after i finished secret of mana. Had high expectations for zelda as it was a hyped game even back in the day. Played through it in 3 days. And found it utterly underwhelming. It severely lacks spectacle, wonder and charm.

>>11822949
I've done Contra, Super C, Hard Corps, Operation C, and the arcade Contras deathless. They aren't difficult games

LttP is a much longer and more difficult game. It's not that LttP is insanely hard, it's just that its difficulty is way underrated, especially if you aren't glued to a guide and always having the optimal loadout, and those other games have way overblown difficulty. Even Rondo of Blood that many consider the hardest Castlevania, I had a way easier time with (as Richter) than LttP.

You constantly have to make sure you have the right items, manage your health, make tough decisions about bottles. If you use too many bottles then you're stuck farming for rupees. The runback to bosses is tough as you start off with half-health so not only need to basically not get hit if you want a fighting chance, you also need to recover HP. I would put Zelda 1 and LttP on similar difficulty level and they are both on the harder end compared to contemporaries

>>11820510
Like you wouldn't believe

>>11822149
Denounce Ocarina of Time right now.

I don't like the graphics to be honest.

>>11823217
Then it is something that is based upon you and your perception and may not hold true for many other people. There's a reason why arcade like games tend to not frequently appear on top video games lists, because they're a lot less forgiving along with having a higher difficulty.

>>11823896
>There's a reason why arcade like games tend to not frequently appear on top video games lists
Its because people consider games with story to be better than pure gameplay games. Difficulty doesnt matter

>>11823896
The fact that people don't spend much time on arcade games is a large part of why they consider them difficult.

>>11823914
It does matter when you need less investment to progress compared to what console games evolved into.

>>11819995 (OP)
What hate? This isn't Aonuma Zelda crap.

>>11820395
5 dungeons is so disappointing.

>>11819995 (OP)
It doesn't get actual hate, some people just don't think it's the best Zelda game ever and its autistic fans have a meltdown if you dare to say that.

>>11820395
>Minish Cap would have been better
Literally how.

>>11820606
This sounds like an actual autistic retard who has never actually played the game and watched faggy youtubers shit on the game for cheap click bait views. I can tell you are a contrarian faggot who doesn't believe what they say based on your mindless praise of the first game which is what all you little contrarian pussies do even though ALTTP is better in every possible way. All the dungeons in the first game are basically palette swaps. ALTTP has actual dungeons that require some thought but I wouldn't expect a special need incel like you to get it.

>>11825786
everything he said is completely correct and you are very mad

>>11822149
This is what happens when you think /vr/ or any Internet space for that matter is just one person. There are many different favorite games of all time because everyone has their own taste and experiences with the medium.

I'm the person who posted that and for the record the other 4 games are
>Ys VIII
>Rondo of Blood
>Streets of Rage 4
>Xanadu Next

>>11820830
Do contrarian 4chan posts really matter?

>>11820606
bro.
cool it.
i will let you cum in my ass if you need to.

I don’t think disliking it is the mainstream opinion. I was a gameboy kid and played through links awakening first, and I think comparatively lttp has a weird, off putting aesthetic and it feels like the formula hasn’t quite locked in yet. To me, lttp is the bridge between the nes era and the classic era, with link’s awakening being the first to really nail the ocarina of time formula completely.

>>11822304
No it's pretty easy.

>>11826806
If LttP is easy then Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania, Mega Man, Contra, etc. are like baby pushover easy.

>>11826893
>>11822304
>>11822057
Forced meme.

>>11819995 (OP)
I'm playing through it for the first time and Its alright, I've definitely played worse. Haven't looked at any guides yet because I don't want to ruin the blind experience. One thing about the game that fucking pissed me off is the ice dungeon boss, you go to fight him and if you didn't get a magic upgrade or a green potion you can't melt the ice around him so you just have to let him kill you, leave the dungeon, walk all the way to a potion shop, walk all the way back, and then completely do the dungeon puzzles again. I almost stopped playing after that bullshit.

>>11827540
Not super helpful, but the Mirror will warp you to the dungeon entrance.

>>11827540
there's another boss that requires magic

>>11827540
Shut the fuck up zoomer. Put some fucking respect on LttP, it's a goddamn masterpiece.

>>11819995 (OP)
what hate? is this another bait thread?

>>11820417
A sequel did come out, anon. Two actually

>>11827540
Doesn't the old man warn you about this with a telepathic tile at the start of the dungeon? He tells you that you really shouldn't enter without bringing some magic medicine with you.

Also, there's a way to permanently halve your MP consumption thus effectively doubling it.

>>11827578
Worthwhile input. The game really is EXTREMELY forgiving of fuckups.

>>11828029
>The game really is EXTREMELY forgiving of fuckups.
Is it though? You get unlimited continues sure, but majority of games did that by the SNES era, but you still lose resources and respawn with reduced HP and need to trek all the way to the boss ideally not only taking minimal damage, but also trying to recover your partial HP. Later dungeons are fucking huge and filled with ebemies and hazards so that's no small feat

The GBA version was way easier and more forgiving, maybe you mean that?

>>11828040
The GBA version was not substantially easier to my memory (didn't it just tweak one or two dungeon layouts?). But no, if you fuck up completely you can get back on your feet in not that much time, money and health are everywhere.

>>11828029
Not at the start of the dungeon (that's later in Turtle Rock), but yes, he does issue a warning in the Ice Palace.