wow this is ass

if someone can tell me what i'm missing I'd appreciate it

Is Shining Force just like this

>>11823340 (OP)
>Golden Slop
would be good if there wasn't too much ''words words words'' dialogue
>>11823384
nope SF is straight to the point (gameplay) unlike Golden Slop the writter was not a failed children storybook writter

why am I being asked meaningless yes/no questions every two minutes?

damn this game really has no defenders? sad

>>11823340 (OP)

As a huuuuuuge fan of the Shining games on Genesis, Landstalker, this whole Camelot studio in general, I do remember (twenty five years ago when I played this) that this game was pretty mind numbing generic fantasy and I was kind of surprised at how “babies first rpg” it was.

In the other hand, this board has too much fucking negativity. So fuck you

>>11823465
Nah. Game's great (the sequel too) but the complaints about the writing are completely valid. The combat and class systems more than make up for it for most people that stick through it though.

>>11823481
>combat
i'm sorry, what? this shit is basic as fuck

>>11823482
If you just stick to the basic elements, yeah, but once you start cross classing the party dynamics change around. Its that type of job system shit that people love about games like FF5 basically. The game's not super difficult for the most part, but the systems are there

>>11823465
Maybe it's because you've waited a whopping one hour for people to reply about a niche game on a small board, where half the replies in this thread are yourself

I like it.

>>11823485
ok i'm intrigued.
so I should get more djinn and start trading them around to make weird new jobs?
is that for better stats? better psynergy?

>>11823514
Sometimes better, sometimes worse, but yeah you end up with teams that are either missing or have different things like healing, (de)buffs, and other synergies. IIRC some of the most busted end game comps for either game required kinds dumpy ones midgame as well. It makes the dialogue issues even more of a crime though, since there's so much replay value to be had.

>>11823538
how critical are buffs/debuffs in this game? say on a scale from "useful but ultimately unnecessary" to "you're fucking up if you don't use them"

>>11823550
The default comps are all designed to be able to beat the game from anything between spamming attack or spamming summons I wouldn't say they're terribly important. Many of the alternate class combinations have more weaknesses than the default ones though, so they become a bit more important than normally. It kinda becomes a choose your own difficulty in a sense, especially once you start throwing in situations where a team needs to rely on using specific djini to cover for missing abilities then downgrading their class.

>>11823340 (OP)
It's very dull but the presentation is so good you almost don't notice

>>11823557
I appreciate the info, and for what its worth, you've convinced me to stick it out
at the moment I am not really loving it

>>11823340 (OP)
>>11823373
>>11823437
>>11823465
heres attention, your existence has been recognized

>>11823340 (OP)
Interesting combat system, horrendous writing and story. So many words, so little said. I can't remember a single characters' personality.

>>11823384
Shining Force is on a whole different level to this

>>11823418
>>11823804
are you sure the dialogue isn't just boring to you so it seems like there's more of it than there really is? I remember the game being very quiet and low on dialogue compared to something like the tales series or final fantasy.

>>11823340 (OP)
I liked it from the little I played. Never got far though.

Can we ban people that make these types of threads.

>>11823808
You sound a little unfamiliar with Golden Sun.

>>11823373
It's just one of those games that was bad but still good relative to what else was available at the time. Imagine the only alternative being stuff like Legends III and you can see why people gave it a pass.

I replayed it after 20 years a while back and just used a speed boost to get through the dialog and speed up the puzzles. It's good enough that I stuck with it and did the optional superboss.
There's risk/reward from using djinn in battle as it can lower your stats, drop your job class, and even change what abilities you can use mid battle.
If you kill an enemy with one character any other that was targeting it misses in stead of targeting another. This becomes critical unless you're over-leveled as you have to plan all 4 members' actions before a turn starts and knowing who goes first and how much hp certain enemies have is something you have to pay attention to. It makes it less button mashey, though the battle controls are responsive and quick.
Decent music by Motoi Sakuraba and some nice colors and stuff to look at. The story is very basic and isn't exciting at all, but when it came out it was the closest you could get to something like Final Fantasy, but on a handheld.

I liked it as a kid but got stuck on the icy tower level where you fight two bosses at once. Then I tried playing it on NSO a few months back and I just didn't vibe with it. But I played Breath of Fire right before that, liked it and finished it so I know it's not that I'm tired of JRPGs. I think I'm just kind of burnt out on vaguely medieval settings. Thatched roof cottages SUCK

>>11823838
>NSO
>paying for roms
grim

>>11823841
I haven't used a computer since the Windows XP days; I don't know how to use a computer.

>>11823418
>would be good if there wasn't too much ''words words words'' dialogue
Funny, but that is actually what I like about the game. Words relax me. I'm a bookworm.

This is now a Motoi Sakuraba appreciation thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAz2213yeE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7pBcKlONnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpaJsqFpr4

>>11823340 (OP)
Both sequels are equally, if not moreso, ass. Thank you for telling the truth

>>11823808
>I remember the game being very quiet and low on dialogue compared to something like the tales series
not fair, Tales of Reddit is the king of ''word words words'' but at least the dialogue there is interesting and funny, that's not the case in Golden Slop the dialogue is so boring, shallow and pedantic
i never finished the sequel because i lost my save and i tried twice to replay it but the word words words filtered me
this is why i despise retro RPG's they didn't give you the option to skip cutscenes

daily reminder Dark Dawn is the best Golden Kino game

op is ass, but this is the kind of game hailed only by nostalgiafags. i tried to like it, i swear it, but even on the gba there's so many better rpg.

>>11823881
name 3.
no pokemon allowed.

>>11823903
FFTA
Riviera
Super Robot Taisen

>>11823910
I wouldn't compare grid-based combat games / SRPGs to a 4-in-a-row game but okay. Also google image results for Riviera show some borderline illegal bath scenes in there wtf.

>>11823928
i think the bath scenes were later edited (censored) into a swimsuit version, but the gba version got the girls half-naked. this make it the best version by default.

>>11823340 (OP)
I remember being extremely bored

It's SOVLslop.

Why do people feel the need to trash games they simply didn’t enjoy? Even worse, why force yourself to play a JRPG if you don’t even like the genre?

I never got the hype about this one. I played it at the time and it struck me as the world's most generic JRPG ever made. I couldn't endure it for more than two hours. I guess it's ok for newbies but eeehhh

>>11824234
The first two hours are extremely boring and mostly slow dialogue. The game only gets good when you have enough djinn to play around with party management.
There was a time when if you bought a game you just played it in stead of saying every game is bad during the training areas and dropping them all.

>>11823340 (OP)
>filtered

>>11823340 (OP)
zoomers can't into attention span confirmed

>>11824212
I love JRPGs. I'm just not particularly enjoying this one.

>>11824330
>can't defend the game
>has to resort to a buzzword

ok i'm in the mercury lighthouse and the combat is getting better

>>11823946
i think that's a rumor.
if you look for footage on youtube, psp and gba bath scenes are the same.

>>11823340 (OP)
I don't wanna hear it from the board the swears Crono Cross and Final Fantasy 8 are all great.

>>11823340 (OP)
Let me guess, Reading le bad?

>>11824234
>I never got the hype about this one
This is not a Monolith Soft game.

>>11823816
I swore i saw a fag trashing Sonic Advance 1 and mods immediately deleted the thread for unconstructive flamebait.

>>11825343
reading is fine. boring le bad.
and my god was the opening of this game fucking boring.
its picking up, though. i'm glad I stuck with it.
i'm sure if i'd dropped hard-earned dollars for it back in the day, sunk costs would have motivated me to push through to this point, but in the modern day, for free? wouldnt blame anyone for dropping it early

>>11823818
>doesn't answer the question

>>11825360
they actually did answer the question.
I guess you're autistic or something, since you need it spelled out for you.

>>11823867
>at least the dialogue there is interesting and funny
Name some examples because Golden Sun already has it's own moments with Briggs being a goofy jackass.

>>11824297
>There was a time when if you bought a game you just played it in stead of saying every game is bad during the training areas and dropping them all.
I guess that was my problem, I pirated it and couldn't be bothered to sink several hours in this

>>11825363
"You sound a little unfamiliar with Golden Sun" isn't answering, that signals on you being a predictable and vague faggot.

>>11825357
>reading is fine. boring le bad.
Boring because....is just is, right?

>>11824376
It's pretty clear and precise defense, because it's just the same type of dance with you band of angry SA retards again.

>>11825379
>"well from what I remember X was like Y"
>"sounds like you're not familiar with X"
anyone who isn't retarded and/or autistic recognizes that the second person is telling the first person that they're mistaken.
retard.

>>11824212
There's always the one pompous faggot, out of nowhere, who swears that this particular game is downright the Great Satan of it's genre, and anyone who disagrees is a tard.

Just like the guy who constantly trashed Xenogears in an older iteration of /vr/ (not the poor copycat spaming "Xenogears is shit") or, similarly, that one schizo spamming the SC4 boxart with Mario's tanuki cap photoshopped in with terrible "i listened to ecelebs" takes.

It's tiring.

>>11825382
the story was not entertaining, the combat was basic as fuck, the overworld/town exploration was as dry as unbuttered toast.
like, the first few hours of the game were boring. not entertaining. the opposite of engaging or fun.
I don't know what the fuck else you're looking for here. be mad I guess.

>>11825414
This is exactly what i mean by you being a predictable vague faggot.
Simply piss off.

>>11825424
>the story was not entertaining
Because....
>the combat was basic as fuck
Dragon Quest is one of the most revered RPGs in the world despite being basic and a simplified Wizardry
>the overworld/town exploration was as dry as unbuttered toast.
Sounds like you're mimicing from that one shitposter who spams "milquetoast" in Mother 3 topics. Also wrong.
Speaking of, there's another favorite GBA RPG that got hit by its usual contrarians.
>the first few hours of the game were boring
Because......

>>11825385
no, it's a slop buzzword that people with no real response use to signal that a given opinion upsets them but they have no way to challenge it.
like, you say "filtered", and everyone else sees "d-don't make fun of my f-f-favorite game ;_; "

>>11825458
>grr no ur opinion is wrong!!!
>you were NOT bored!!!
lmfao. retard

>>11825490
>it's a [BUZZWORD] buzzword
are you even reading what the hell are you even typing?
The imageboard brainrot is just ridiculous.

>>11825495
This is just honestly getting sad.
Are you actually old enough to post on /vr/?

>>11825504
not an argument. I accept your concession.

>>11825509
says the dude throwing a tantrum and demanding an explanation for why I did not feel entertained by or have fun during the first few hours of a game boy advance game
wew lad

>>11825518
You've yet to present an actual argument.

>>11825534
guess we have that in common ;)

>>11825532
I'm not the one hurling playground-tier responses over someone's refution.
I highly doubt you're above the justified age to post on here.

>>11825536
>"I was pretending to be retarded."

>>11825537
the word is "refutation", and you provided exactly zero refutations of anything I said.
the very fact that you think you can refute the fact that I was bored by the first few hours of the game is super fuckin retarded, which brings us back to
>you were NOT bored!!!
lmfao. retard

>>11825543
forgive me anon but I don't believe for one second that you were or are pretending.

>>11825548
If being a quirky midwit is all you want to do right now, you can just stick to posting on /v/eddit instead.

>>11825559
are you schizophrenic or something? its like half or more of this conversation is happening solely inside your own head. its very hard to follow what the fuck you're babbling about.

>>11825546
Good on you champ, you actually know how to use google beyond what your computer illiterate could do at a retailer.
>you provided exactly zero refutations of anything I said.
But unfortunately, you lack any reading comprehension skills, which is as expected from someone who likes to rag on Tales and GS's dialogue
Maybe try actually reading your own post chain before making a retarded claim like that.
>lmfao. retard
and literally stop typing like some junkie teenager.

>>11825563
No, it's simple advice. /vr/ isn't your second /v/eddit shithole.
Simply go back there.

>>11825580
I don't know what you want me to tell you, homie you've failed to refute anything I've said. some of the things I've said are not actually refutable.
Like, I get that you're retarded enough to think you can convince me that I wasn't actually bored for the first couple hours of this game. I get that. That doesn't make it true, though.

>>11825584
I think it's time for you to pop your meds and get off the computer for a while, anon. I have no clue what you're babbling about right now.

>>11825585
>you've failed to refute anything I've said.
Again, i already did, simply read your own post chain but unfortunately your adhd ridde- im sorry, "bored" mind won't let you do such a simple task.

I'm actually sitting here waiting for you to actually refute my counterpoints on your so-called critiques on GS, but all you're doing is stalling and typing up garbage like it's the YouTube comments section.

>>11825590
More like it's time for you to scram back to mental ward, aka /v/.

>>11823418
>>11823847
Golden Sun yaps forever, but IMO also about nothing. Like the characters have tedious conversations going back and forth with nothing being said like
>Oh yeah? I dont like you're attitude
>Well....thats too bad
>Is it?
>Yes
>Ok well, isn't there something else going on here....
>Heh, hard to imagine much more important than this squabble
>Well then, arrogant as usual
Just on and on and on

>>11825616
>>Oh yeah? I dont like you're attitude
>>Well....thats too bad
>>Is it?
>>Yes
>>Ok well, isn't there something else going on here....
>>Heh, hard to imagine much more important than this squabble
>>Well then, arrogant as usual
This honestly reads like a Panpedo chain reply from that one shitty Dragon Ball general.
God i hate that place.

>>11825623
At least you get it. It's like the devs (or possibly the localization) wanted to portray the dialogue like a realistic conversation but they remembered the GBA cartridge space is too small for vocals.

>>11825590
>>11825585
Also since you want to stay a clueless idiot and just "lmfao retard" over and over ad nauseum, I'm simply just going to stop responding because obviously you already have all the kind of attention you need in this thread.
Because im not gonna make a serious response to your issues with the game, asking for full disclosures of said reasons, and all i get is >>11825495 again.

This is what i exactly meant earlier about you being predictable vague faggot. This is going nowhere.

>>11825605
>i already did
no, you most certainly did not.

>>11825652
>I'm coming back 15 minutes later to declare i'm running away
lmfao. retard

>>11823823
yeah i recall it being hyped as the "finally, an RPG for GBA" game.

I like Sheba
I just think she's neat

>>11825357
I mean, back in the day it was pretty standard for RPGs in new IPs to have a boring slow start in order to set up their setting/lore/etc. Even established ones like FF5 had pretty dull, slow starts where you didn't even get jobs until after the first dungeon and a *lot* of exposition. This mentality is why people get called zoomers when they get filtered by the start of a game, especially a fucking jrpg. Concepts like delayed gratification just seems fucking lost on this generation.

>>11825458
What a retarded response. What kind of response do you expect for "Why weren't you entertained?"

>>11825725
I've played FF4 through FFX (except 8), Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Earthbound, etc. I have no problem with a slow start. I just didnt find anything particularly engaging in this game's slow start. Flat characters, uninteresting writing, combat was way too simple until I started stacking Djinn
Like I said, I'm enjoying it now, but the opening hours of this game do not shine.

>>11825739
And I'm saying they rarely did shine for that point in the game for most RPGs at the time, including some of the ones you listed. Secret of Mana especially is a fucking slog until around when you get the sprite, the beginning was a bunch of pointless backtracking and it took ages to get some orbs/elementals to start leveling up weapons and getting spells. It was carried mostly on its ambitious take on real time rpg gameplay, music, multiplayer, etc.. By comparison, a team known primarily for SRPGs where the world building is told in long dialogue/event scenes between battles took their first stab at adapting that to a more traditional jrpg format. They did a pretty good job considering the past and present trends in the genre. The significance of the intro actually does get bigger as you play through the game (and the sequel) which is why most people's issues about it are with just pacing and needing condensation more than anything. IIRC there's even a romhack that basically just skips to when Isaac and Garret leave town.
Gonna prepare you now in case you play the sequel, transferring data between the games via the password was before its time, and not in a good way. Later games that went from GBA to DS got that system right, but for GS you need to either link two systems together or take down an absurdly long password, then type it back in on the other game. It was a fucking mess. There's gotta be ways around that shitshow by now while emulating at least.

>>11825843
>And I'm saying they rarely did shine for that point in the game for most RPGs at the time, including some of the ones you listed.
And I disagree. All of the ones I listed, I was at least entertained through the opening hours. Golden Sun, I was not.

>>11825851
Later VII and VIII packed the opening hours with urgency and interesting character dialog. It hooks people. Golden Sun takes hours to get good, but never great by today's standards. The hidden optional dungeon and superboss, Deadbeard, are a good time tho. I can't replay it without binding a speed boost toggle key.

>>11825860
..meant to edit out the "Later."

>>11825860
It's definitely gotten good enough to be worth it now that I have a couple djinn on each character to keep combat fresh.

>>11825851
You not being entertained =/= they weren't entertaining. I figured my SoM explanation made that clear, but I guess not. Not everyone is going to like everything thats worth liking. What matters is what you personally get out of it. The way you grow from there is learning what merit others see that you don't, and re-evaluating from there if your opinion improves. Thats how you either develop appreciation, or affirm your own opinion.
My original response was also mostly about your back in the day part of the comment, since those conditions were actually what forced people to stick with their games past their intros. Even with rentals you generally had to get the rental's worth out of the damn game that weekend, you already had it.

>>11825876
>You not being entertained =/= they weren't entertaining.
that's... literally exactly what that means. if I wasn't entertained, it wasn't entertaining.
are you unclear on the fact that this is subjective? there's no mystical, inherent, objective property of "entertaining" that anything possesses. It's purely a property of the functional relationship with the audience

>>11825725
I played a lot of classic jarpigs in my day but outside of the first BoF I was never bored by the beginning of one

>>11823910
The last Atlus tile RPG I played was Stella Glow and that game was flaming dogshit, I doubt Riviera would be any good.

Amusingly the dev’s solution to complaints about overly wordy meaningless dialogue in the DS sequel was to simply have characters talk over each other all at once sometimes lol

>>11823903
>Good RPG
>Pokemon

>>11826530
don't be retarded

>>11825623
yeah this shit is definitely getting old. I thought it was just a meme but I keep running into dialogue like this.

does this game get better near the end? ever since combat got a little more interesting, it's been at kind of a plateau for like the last four or five towns.

>>11829385
It's pretty much the same but more.

>>11829485
well fuck. I hate to DNF when I've come so far but i'm getting tired of this.
is The Lost Age better?

Golden Sun is HARD carried by it's presentation. The visuals, music and sound are just stellar and the game's menu navigation is snappy (from what I remember). Outside of that?

It's gameplay is simpler than the classic SNES RPGs.
It's story and characters are some of the most generic in the genre.
While overworld interaction is novel, the majority of puzzles revolves around you just moving something with MOVE

Not a bad game, but after playing the SNES RPGs you start to realize how unspecial the game is.

>>11829485
The later part of the game focuses on the 2nd lighthouse and has some neat stuff like the collesseum, and there's the secret island thats more difficult than the rest of the game, but its mostly the formula but with more relic equipment and djins/psynergies. It ends well but unfortunately on a cliffhanger because
>>11829492
TLA is book 2 of the first game, essentially. It adds quite a few things like a total of 8 party members and even more class comp freedom, but it still keeps a similar formula, just with everything cranked up to 11 due to the scale being much larger. The story also gets better in TLA and kinda retroactively justifies a lot of the first game's issues story wise. Dunno if you like or dislike the psynergies outside of combat mechanic, but its a lot more present in TLA.

>>11830143
>It's gameplay is simpler than the classic SNES RPGs.
The djin/class/summon systems are more complicated than anything in a game like FF4, you're even required at times to cross class characters to get access to some outside combat psynergies, like growth. The game isn't making you process theoretical physics or anything, but if its simple than a game like Mystic Quest is rudimentary. We all know there were good rpgs on the SNES, but your claim about its gameplay is kinda dumb fren. They came from the Shining series before GS, and their only other real attempt at a traditional rpg was Beyond the Beyond, which kinda sucked ass.
I do agree that its presentation is (and was) a big selling point for the games though.
>Not a bad game, but after playing the SNES RPGs you start to realize how unspecial the game is.
Absolute plebian take. the existance of a 10/10 doesn't make a 7/10 a bad game. A wise man once said your standards aren't as high as you think if your head is up your ass.

>>11823465
It LOOKS great on the GBA, the overarching story (for babbies first RPG) is good, the art/style is cool, Djinn are cool, the actual battling is cool especially relative to other turn based RPGS.
The only thing that sucks is how boring the dialogue is.

>>11830169
well, i'm sold on pushing through to the end and giving TLA a shot at least
Overall I wouldnt say it's a bad game, but I wish I'd taken it more in small bites over a long time instead of plowing through whenever I have game time over the past couple days

>>11830205
When it came out, RPGs for the GBA were almost non-existent. It represented a huge jump from the GB(C) days, so its important to keep expectations in check to appreciate whats there. That said, I'm glad you're sticking with it, and can absolutely agree its designed more for smaller bites than binging.
>>11830192
Yeah, there's so much to like but its absolutely a patience test in regards to the writing and pacing. Every time they introduce a puzzle, pan around the room, and then have a discussion on exactly what you need to do to solve it could be removed and it would be a vast improvement.

>>11830169
Coliseum is neat. There are some basic minigames like slots and dice rolling where you can get some gear.
If you choose a certain sequence of npcs to row the boat when you cross the sea you can get to crossbone isle to check it out earlier than usual, doesn't do anything for you but there's some stuff like that in there.

>>11823340 (OP)
>>11823373
You had to have played it back then, with it being one of your first RPGs.

>>11830216
Yeah, taking into account the context of games at the time, I can see how this was so acclaimed. Even today it looks gorgeous

>>11830239
The wait for TLA felt like ages, especially when most of the other stuff we were getting was shit like a port of BoF1, ironically. For a while the system was more about games with rpg elements (or even strategy rpgs) than normal turn based rpgs.

>Can't bet Dullahan as a grown ass man even after some grinding and reading two guides
>Somehow beat him twice when I was like 12 as a dumbass kid

>>11830385
You just need to learn how the attack pattern works and how to move it forward a stage. Once you do you can skip Charon or Djinn Storm easily. It took me like an hour on Hard difficulty once I had the moveset laid out in front of me and I could keep track of where I was on the pattern. You also have to swap people in as necessary to either summon or cure people. Never have all your healers on one side and never have Djinn that can heal only on one person. Always spread them out.

>>11823481
I don't remember any incentive to cross-class the characters. You could beat everything with pure elemental builds.

>>11831015
You have no incentive to cross-class anyone in the vanilla games. Unless you know the meta builds it is significantly worse overall as a class to be multi-Djinn because of how limited your overall skills are, how you have less of the usable traversal skills, how the cross-class spells tend to deal lower damage outside of very specific spells so you typically have less of a reason to do so, and how generally you feel weaker overall.

There's romhacks like Golden Sun (The Lost Age) Reloaded or Dawn of the Djinn that specifically force you into participating in things like buffs and cross-class mechanics because they refuse to give you specific Djinn, expect you to be using buffs and debuffs you only get from being cross-class, and because you can force level limits on yourself and buffs on the enemies.

>>11831460
that sounds cool and all but like... why bother playing a hack when you could just play a better game

>>11831469
Because people like the original game but actually want to participate in the mechanics the base game didn't incentivize?

>>11831471
just seems like a waste of time desu

>>11830192
who is this semen demon??

>>11828701
Am not the one recommending pokemon am I?

>>11831478
Games themselves aren't a waste of time when you enjoy them, anon. Its a hobby designed around entertainment.

>>11832053
whatever you gotta tell yourself

>>11832149
What a sad response. Why not use that energy on something you enjoy? Even if its not this game, games are meant to be enjoyed. If you're not playing games to have fun you should probably switch hobbies anon.

>>11832240
I enjoy fucking with brittle people on the internet

>>11831015
Like >>11831460 said, cross classing is hard mode for the games. Sticking pure element for every character is arguably the most efficient and reliable way to play (the "meta" if you will) but you only see a portion of the psynergies in the game, and its kinda too easy most of the time. If you only stick with the core setup because its the best, its just optimizing the fun out of the game. Most of the fun of games like FF5 doesn't come from running 4 adventurers with shit like rapid fire dual wielding mystic knights casting holy sword and attacking 8 times in a row while Mighty Guarded: It comes from all of the times you have to make each job and the loadout you give them work with each situation they're given. Its why the Job Fiesta is such a popular concept in general. Being suboptimal and making the game more challenging as you have to adapt to more situations breathes life into games.

>>11832245
Have your (you), little gwemlin. I hope things improve for you soon.

>>11832260
>grrr ur life must be horrible
lmfao cope. in all likelihood i'm doing better than you.
the just world hypothesis is a fallacy, son.

>>11832260
>most of the fun of the game comes from being bad at it in purpose
then it's a shitty game then innit

>>11832435
Exploring and interacting with a game's mechanics, the thing that makes it a game, is more fun to me than seeing the ending screen, something that other types of media can give you even easier. A shitty game is one where your engagement is sacrificed for your instant gratification.
Why play as Sonic when Tails can just fly over the entire level? Because its more fun to go fast in a game thats designed around going fast, even if skipping the entire levels is more efficient in reaching the end. If you genuinely can't understand this concept then you really should go back to /v/

>>11832445
if a game doesn't force you to explore and interact with its mechanics as a matter of course on the way to the ending screen, it's a shitty game.
"le play it badly on purpose to explore it" is dumb as fuck. just pick a better game.

>>11832453
Hey man, if you refuse to leave your comfort zone, thats fine. You're going to miss out on a lot of "better games" if you need the game to handhold you with an easy solution button every time you have to think. I'll just keep enjoying them instead. Maybe I'll try another SSCC in FFT just for you, thanks anon.

>>11832468
>if you refuse to play games badly on purpose you're missing out
lol ok
>i'm gonna waste my own time on another arbitrary "play bad on purpose" challenge just for you
lmfao. retard

>>11832474
NTA but there's nothing wrong with experimenting with game mechanics. Go play something with a giant arrow pointing you to the next quest waypoint.

>>11832482
maybe try reading the argument before chiming in

>>11832484
I know, your argument is that it would be better if the game incentivized that, and I agree, but you're sperging out about the fact that someone enjoys experimenting just to experiment.

>>11832494
it ain't that deep lol i'm just talking shit
not everybody takes this 4chan shit seriously like you do

>>11832501
Well, when you argue you should expect people to counter you no matter how silly you're being.

>>11832509
Yeah I mean I realize this board is full of people like you who take 4chan way too seriously lol

>>11832519
>yeah I mean
Picrel.
I like Golden Sun, I've beaten it 2x. Can you say the same, Imperial.

>>11832530
I've never played this horseshit game lol

>>11832556
So you come to 4chan to say everything is shit and call people names under the veil of anonymity because your ego is that fragile? Got it.

>>11832592
nah I just do it for the lulz lmfao