Is this the SNK's equivalent of Super Turbo?

>>11824153 (OP)
Yes.

>>11824153 (OP)
No.

>>11824153 (OP)
Maybe.

I don't know.

>>11824153 (OP)
Yes.

>>11824153 (OP)
No.

>>11824153 (OP)
>older title
>classic no bs gameplay
>still is tournament standard
Absolutely.

>>11824153 (OP)
Yes.

>>11824153 (OP)
No.
The tier-list is too lop-sided and the gameplay is too frenetic. Yet it remains very popular. I would compare it to SNK's Marvel vs Capcom 2 in terms of the community position.

SNK doesn't really have a Super Turbo title. I tried to think of one but after reviewing all the candidates I just don't think it's fair to make the comparison. It's not Fatal Fury Special or Samurai Shodown II.

>>11824543
>SNK's Marvel vs Capcom 2
this is the dumbest shit anyone's said on this board all week.

>>11824621
You don't know much about fighting games if you don't see the obvious comparison.

>>11824621
He's right.
>huge roster, only a few used in high level competition
>crazy fast pace of play, much faster than the older SNK games
>longer combos, easier inputs
>infinite combos are used in match play
>dream match setting combining various franchises
>1998 is a distinctly later era of fighting games than 1994
You can also sub KOF97 in here for China, which is even more broken and Marvel-like.

>>11824983
I'll also add here that any comparisons of KOF 99-01 with the striker system is a very surface level take. Those games never reached anywhere near the level of popularity as Marvel did.

KOF 2002 is a different story.

>>11824983
>>infinite combos are used in match play
>Kyo (EXTRA only)
>Vice in the corner (situational, she's not even top tier)
It's not like '97. Could you name other examples that I may have missed?

>>11824983
>He's right.
no he's not, and neither are you.
you're both total fucking morons regarding fighting games.
you're samefagging anyway.

>>11824153 (OP)
play Real Bout

>>11825018
I think there are useful infinites with Goro, Shermie, and Clark iirc.

>>11824153 (OP)
That would be Fatal Fury Special.
>>11824317
>no bs gameplay
You have not played either of those games.

>>11824983
>easier inputs
98 somehow has worse input reading than 95.

>>11825408
No, it doesn't. I've read your schizo posts before so we'll just agree to disagree.

>>11825313
>Goro
He has the disgusting unblockable setups instead. For some reason, characters with down-forward command normals can avoid that shit by inputting said moves on wakeup.
>Shermie
That's a weird one, it's related to the "floating" bug (see: Athena, Mai). Only works against Robert and Daimon after one of her supers, you can still block or do a reversal roll though.
>Clark
No clue.
>>11825398
>You have not played either of those games.
Pretty sure he meant how straightforward both games are in terms of mechanics, hence the "classic" part.

>>11824153 (OP)
It should have been, i.e. come out four years sooner. Then SNK could have really stood toe-to-toe with their competition at the time.
Anyway, in regards to OP's question, I think it still is. De facto oldhead installment that's highly populated, doesn't carry the systems bloat or as many raw mechanics that obfuscate the core of the fighting gameplay in and of themselves the way you could argue the systems in the later, more popular installments do. Like, if you wanted to recommend something oldschool that epitomized the series as a whole, you'd recommend KoF '98 in the same way you'd recommend ST.

>>11825541
>He has the disgusting unblockable
That's what I was thinking of
>Only works against Robert and Daimon
And that's where I saw that one, against Daimon.

It's FF Special.
FF1 is SNK's SF II (imn fact some might say, the REAL Street Fighter 2)
FF2 is Super SF II
And FFS is Super Turbo.

>>11825909
FFS is not Super Turbo, it's CE at best.

>>11825996
FFS is the pinnacle of classic SNK just like how Super Turbo is the pinnacle of classic Capcom.
Then comes the Real Bout series with RBS being akin to Alpha 2.
KOF98's Capcom counterpart must be Marvel 2. Or, CVS2. But in terms of sheer popularity, it's Marvel 2.

>>11826295
FFS is not the pinnacle, it's just the first SNK game that's playable. FF1 and FF2 are better than SF1 but both fall short of SF2, even the World Warriors version. FFS is the first SNK title that is as good as vanilla SF2 or Champion Edition.
Yes, KoF98 is slightly more advanced than Super Turbo so it must be an unfair comprison. In that case, KoF95 is likely the pinnacle of classic SNK before their Real Bout and nu KoF era.

>>11826447
Nah FF2 is great too and way better than FF1. FFS is FF2 with more characters.

>>11826784
>FFS is FF2 with more characters.
It is not. FF2 is sluggish and lacks actual combos. FFS is where SNK finally got close to Capcom level of gameplay quality.

>>11825449
It absolutely does, it's far easier to mash stuff in 95 than it is in 98.

>>11825996
You have not played FFS and it shows.

>>11827000
You have not played ST and it shows.

>>11827092
FFS is way closer to ST than to CE.

>>11827136
No it isn't.

>>11826295
"Classic SNK" starts with KOF 97.
Everything before that is too jank to qualify for a label like classic, with the possible exception of the Samurai Shodown games.

Fatal Fury 1 through Special are just jank.

>>11826447
If I HAD to pick a game that was "SNK's ST" then it would be KOF 95. But even then the comparison is thin.

>>11827227
lmao

Both FFS and ST have supers, unlike the older SF2 revisions, but ST is a faster game. There's no definitive equivalent.

>>11827227
97 is the worst KoF of its era since 94 you scrub.

>>11827224
>Supers/Desperation
>Throws being beaten by reversals (not a thing in CE)
>Multiple balance changes (which CE barely did from WW)
>Definitive version of the second iteration of the series, adding more characters than just the bosses
>Meta isn't just Dictator and Guile

OG or UM?

>>11827598
OG. UM is good, but I don't see it as a replacement.

>>11824153 (OP)
no.
98 is hyper fighting and 2002 is super turbo

>>11827563
nonsense

>>11828035
>Slow down on a fire ball: the game

>>11827563
KOF 95 is a good game, equal in quality to SF2: CE. I'd easily consider it a "classic" game.

96 would be in there too if not for the botched input detection that makes the game incredibly frustrating to play unless you adjust your timing for just that one single game (which I'm not going to do).

>>11828103
super turbo does that and people love it

>>11829336
To be honest, people love KoF98 but for me its inputs feel stiff too. The difference from '95 is jarring.