I thought you said you were a retro gamer?

>>11827363 (OP)
I own one and don't even use it

>>11827363 (OP)
I play on the affordable brand tv i got as a christmas present as a kid, it's awesome

>>11827397
how 90% of people with a CRT play.

I'm not a burger
>S-video and RGB inputs
>Ntsc and pal60 support
Just your average yuro tvs, enjoy wasting hundreds of dollars on your pvmeme shit

No one used these for games back in the day.
Maybe you might see one in development now and again but no one used these things at home.
Fake retro.

>>11827397
Extremely based. The way the devs intended.

PVMs are not great for retro gaymen unless you set the beam width to be as wide as a normal consumer monitor, you know. In which case there's little point in using one.

Otherwise you get Reddit-looking garbage where each line has a black space above and below it, sometimes quite a bit thicker each than the picture line bordering the blank space.

>>11827363 (OP)
I have one RGB modded but wish I just had a CRT monitor instead, only reason I have it still is to transfer all my old VCR tapes to digital

I got all mine for free and sold them to suckers for thousands. There's much better looking monitors that people don't know about you can still get cheap.

>>11827363 (OP)
I have owned several and each time I found myself drifting to the larger CRT I had in my collection. The best CRT I ever owned was a Toshiba 36A60.

>>11827395
Same, I bought a "new old stock" Sony SSM monitor last year and I've put maybe 3 hours on it.

>>11827363 (OP)
I sold the two I had (for a disgusting markup on what I paid). I preferred and prefer to play on my large consumer sets, which since I'm in Europe support RGB anyway.

I have an Ikegami monitor

Why would I want to own one? I don't jerk off to how sharp and crisp my pixels are, I play video games.

All of my retro consoles are hooked up to a consumer grade CRT TV via composite because the imperfect signal is desirable to me.

>>11827617
>composhit
you are coping

>>11827714
Not him and not a cope. I have a crt computer monitor I could play games on but why would I when my regular old consumer grade crt with composite smooths out the pixels better?

I just found a toshiba security monitor a bank was throwing out. Unfortunately it has burn-in.

>>11827906
were probably in service 24/7 for 30 years o7

>>11827714
Literally how we all played as kids, if it was good then, it's good now.

>>11827924
>>11827746
based

>>11827363 (OP)
Imagine dying horrifically of brain cancer instead of just using a nice IPS like a normal person

>>11827746
Composite looks like playing with bad eyesight. If you think that makes it look better you are coping

>>11827962
The pixels of old games were meant to be smoothed out by it. It rounds out ui elements and text and creates an overall more cohesive picture. If you want sharp pixels go play on an oled or something.

>>11827363 (OP)
PVMs are overrated. Late consumer CRTs are pretty much as good as PVMs.

I don't know shit about electronics but my generous retro enthusiast friend gave me a PVM-8045Q made in 1999. Is that any good? I've been playing gameboy games on it.

>>11827547
Nice one, I'd love to have a new old crt but I'm not that bothered. I've got a spare 14" in the attic and my friend gave me the pvm, he runs a video company and bought it from new in 2004. Its nice to have but I'm not really playing games much at the mo and I got it because I'm a video nerd and not for nostalgia

Kinda glad to see the pushback against this stuff now.

>>11827931
imaging not knowing crt tubes have been leaded since the 60s. you get more radiation eating a banana

>>11828435
Prove it

>>11828435
Lead is a carcinogen unc

>>11827363 (OP)
i have a 27" slot mask from the CRT Distribution System

i use it for displaying limited run VHS releases from local artists

>>11828602
I pity you and everyone who knows you.

>>11828428
to be fair my SSM is composite only and 8". Better suited for video than games, my DVDs look great on it.

>>11827969
>The pixels of old games were meant to be smoothed out by it.
Oh yes? Arcade games with crystal clear RGB connection were meant to be blurry and smoothed? old PC games?

Oh, by "the entirety of old games" you mean NES.

>>11827363 (OP)
I just use a shitty consumer grade CRT.

>>11828684
That's still pretty cool though. You should set up a tent in your garden and have a film night. Or just pop it on the garden table

>>11828705
Here's your (You), well done for posting. Shame you didn't contribute to the conversation but maybe one day you'll not be so angry at the world

>>11827363 (OP)
yeah but i got them before prices were RETARDED

>>11827363 (OP)
>$300 for a 9 inch monitor
Yeah no.

>>11829850
that sounds comfy, I'm moving to the burbs and will have a tiny deck soon...

>>11829883
how about 200 for a 14inch?

shaders are good enough. i don't have room for a big stupid 30 year old box

>>11827395
Sadly this

>>11827363 (OP)
I own a normal PC CRT monitor. It looks the same.

>>11828217
There are around 10 models of TVs that compare to the best PVMs like the 20L5. The vast majority of 2000s TVs are complete ass.

>>11830698
Yes, lets conflate the typical PVM with a high definition monitor from 2002. Literally nobody is talking about something like that when they say PVM.

>>11829981
You've tempted me to do the same with my 20". Let us know how your evening goes when you move

>>11827969
It doesn't smooth out shit. You are coping. Composite still looks pixelated except with eye raping dot crawl. Sorry about your inferior setup

>>11831078
Ah nice so you played everything component when you were a kid then?

>>11831694
Not that anon, but who said anything about what you used as a kid? Is that really the only reason you are using a CRT? To pretend you're 11 and your stepdad didn't molest you yet?

>PVMs are not great for retro gaymen unless you set the beam width to be as wide as a normal consumer monitor, you know.
How do I do this

>>11831694
I'm not chasing nostalgia like you.

I have a 20" flat screen CRT with an S-video jack. It's nice. I came into possession of a 9" TV that has a decent screen, it's bright enough to see in Doom 64, which is my litmus test for if a CRT is garbage or not. Problem is, it's composite only. Would it be worth it to try to SCART mod it bros?

>>11827363 (OP)
>I thought you said you were a retro gamer?
I thought I was but then it started getting embarrassing to be associated with retards spending thousands to bluff and taunt at internet randoms

>>11827363 (OP)
Stop jerking off to phosphor stripes like you just thawed out of the ice and its the first time you've ever seen luminescence.

No, I own a BVM, and it never gets used. I paid $0 for it too.

>>11832469
You pour water over it, the liquid helps with conductivity and produces a stronger beam

>>11833220
I see, thanks anon

>>11827363 (OP)
>You do own a PVM don't you anon?
Yeah, a 9" one along with other CRTs, but long story short I don't have access to them. I use a projector most of the time but I also have a decent LCD. I bought CRTs when they were cheap and I've kind of fell of out of love with them honestly. They're heavy and almost always have problems.

>>11827363 (OP)
I rotate between a 1342Q and 14M4U, the first is always connected to my SNES and a set of box speakers and I love playing games on it. The latter is setup to watch anime, movies & 00's shows in glorious 4:3

That being said, I still love playing my consoles on both my 20" and 32" consumer model Trinitrons. Playing games on a PVM is great, but with a good game you will stop noticing the quality difference over a regular set when using RGB/Component.

>>11831078

Maybe on your tvs. Composite can vary heavily between sets. On my tvs, dot crawl in minimal and older games are clearly blended more than component. Component is only good for PS2/GC and watching shit.

>>11831078

Maybe on your tvs. Composite can vary heavily between sets. On my tvs that I've kept, dot crawl in minimal and older games are clearly blended more than component.

>>11827420
>No one used these for games back in the day.
Arcade monitors have similar specifications, so playing CPS and Neo Geo games on them is a good approximation.

>>11828434
>kinda glad to see people being uniformed as retarded as i am
>>>>/reddit/
>>11833563
nine inches is too small
my dong cant be almost as large as my crt
i simply cant game like that anonkun, i just cant
>>11827924
for SOME systems its fine
however you still need good shielded cables
we didnt have 4g\5g\etc\wifi\wireless bluetooth\bullshit shitting up the airwaves causing interference back then over RF
now rf is basically unusable (without a proper modulation unit) here in california [metropolitan area]

>>11827363 (OP)
No. Games weren’t designed to be played on PVMs. They were designed to be played on shitty home CRTs connected with an RF adapter.

I'm a gamer not a collector. i play the games, i don't spend unnecessary money on them.

>>11834634
this take is frustrating and retarded
fox and grapes shit literally.

>NOOO you high end tv is NOT better than my hello kitty thrift-store find!
this idea that fucking SONY (who all manufacturers ripped off post-patent expiry) made BAD tvs is so fucking stupid i cant believe that people even believe their own drivel while typing it

is it worth spending 400+ usd for it today?
probably not due to diminishing returns
would i repeat buy for what i paid 8 years ago?
OBVIOUSLY DUMBASS

>>11827363 (OP)
I don't get the point of these for games. Aren't these much higher res than what consoles would have plugged into and because of that (especially if you use an RGB connection) will fail to replicate the effects that would be one of the major points of using a CRT?

Might as well use HDMI mods at that point.

Also they are much smaller than most CRTs TVs people generally had at the time unless your mommy and daddy refused to let you hook your weird console gizmo that they likely assumed would somehow break the main TV in the house and stuck you with some tiny 13 inch screen in your room. I would rather have a large CRT screen than a small PVM.

>>11827395
same lol it just sits on my desk looking cute, i like playing on the big 27 inch instead

>>11834651
You might as well use a modern TV.

>>11834667
>might as well use your grandmas laggy flatpanel
do you realize how retarded that sounds?
do you? huh? HUH?!?!?

>>11834662
>>11827395
i just use mine to take 4chan \bst\ photos huehuehue
>>11834668
kek
>>11834667
cmon maan
the sonys are literally fine from normal viewing distance
your retarded girlfriend would fail the double-blind test telling them apart even with the same game on both

>>11830702
Most people absolutely are talking about the hi-res tube PVMs. Those are the ones that are sought after for gaming.

>>11834672
She’d fail the same test with a small LCD monitor and a CRT TV. Your point is dumb.

>>11834685
Those HD things are so rare that almost nobody will ever come across one. They only existed for a short while at the very end of CRT production. Normal standard definition PVMs had been produced for decades.

>>11834691
>an lcd is the same as a crt
please tell me this is parody

>>11834720
Stupid faggot retard, I’m talking about PVMs. If you’re trying to get sharp pixels from a PVM with an RGB modded console you might as well just use an LCD with a PC emulator.

>>11834730
you are still apples2oranges-posting mongoloid
no consumer pvm is gonna have "heckin razor sharp pixels like muh plasma\flatpanel"
they are SLIGHTLY sharper
they have SLIGHTLY more lines
they have SLIGHTLY thicker scanlines (visible only up CLOSE)

you are fucking idiot
STOP POSTING

>>11834730
>>11834745
and FYI most of the rgb shit is done due to jailbars\artifacting during UPSCALING not crt
in a double-blind s-video vs RGB is almost impossible to tell apart unless sidebyside

>>11834745
Sounds like PVMs are SLIGHTLY stupid as fuck to own.

>>11834730
>a pvm is not a crt
ya thats uh... thats fuckin wrong

>>11834750
it sounds like you are SLIGHTLY mad

>>11834750
Are you sure you didn't come up with the idea, that PVMs are bad, only because you can't have one?

>>11834825
>>11834750
>>11827617
>>11828217

>>11834825
I’m not 13 years old and hating on the PlayStation because I only have a Nintendo 64. I’m sorry that your mind stopped developing in your teenage years.

>>11834832
You like wasting money don't you?

>>11834860
>the money other people decide to spend is wasted if arbitrarily determined by ME, the sole arbiter of what constitutes money wasting!!!

>>11827363 (OP)
>I thought you said you were a retro gamer?
I am which is why I'm happy with my consumer sets and 2000s CRT monitors.

I was just given a free pvm so now i can find out if you nigs are fibbin me.

>>11834832
Modern consumer crts can already resolve individual pixels, what more do you need. PVMs really only stood out compared to older tvs.

>>11834832
>>11834745

>PVMs, component, RGB

You're doing it wrong, son.

>>11831078
>It doesn't smooth out shit. You are coping.
Do kindly shut the fuck up

>>11835153
>Modern consumer crts
What modern CRTs? CRT production stopped over a decade ago, and that was the very last of the last dregs holding on that you would never see unless you was in some third world country. There is no CRT that is "modern" anymore. That's like saying modern PS1 consoles.

>>11835468
I am not sure the exact date that the modern CRT era begun, but its probably the early-mid 90s when CRT tech fully matured into its final form.

>>11835475
I wouldn't consider something from the 90s modern.

>>11835478
If something stops being made. Then the classification of modern for that item must stop too. If the temporal anchor of modern for CRTs continued to advanced, then "modern" would become undefined and useless.

>>11835481
I disagree, when something is very old it is no longer modern regardless if it was the last revision of that technology. Nobody would call something that became obsolete and stopped being produced decades or even over a century ago as "modern (thing)".

>>11827502
Reveal your secrets!

>>11835468
Modern period is from 1500 on.

Yes

i have some random late model 13 inch toshiba and a trinitron with the hidden front input panel, also 13 inch, that someone in my building was throwing away. werks for my purposes.

>>11835537
My secret was that it was 2013. It's too late, now you gotta pay

>>11835449
Kek why do they always post the waterfall. Everything look significantly worse in that blurry dogshit on the right side except the transparency trick. Imagine playing with everything looking like shit just to see a waterfall for half a second. That doesn't smooth out the pixels either that's just dithering blending.

>>11835449
Here's what sonic actually looks in RGB on a CRT instead of your emulator example. Pixels are just as smooth as your blurry composhit filter.

>>11835806
>Kek why do they always post the waterfall
Because it's a perfect example of component blending pixels together for an effect that you will not get using a higher res connection/display. It's massive picrel to dismiss it just because you want to defend your shitty overpriced meme purchase.

>>11835808
>Comically missing the main part of what was posted in that image
>Thinks component is a "filter"
That's about the level of intelligence I would expect out of someone who doesn't even understand why a PVM is a stupid idea for retro gaming, especially connecting RGB to it.

>>11837291
Holy reddit
>>11834660
soul

>>11837291
>that combination wega + base and side pvms
holy fugg

anyone seen a later PVM/BVM than this one?

I have an NEC XP29. Maybe it wouldn't be classified as being as high quality as a Sony PVM, but I like having a larger tube.

>>11827363 (OP)
Given no one used these for games back then no.
This is not retro.
It’s a modern fantasy by sellers of these things to extract money for small screens that most people don’t want for the autistic collector or zoomer who needs to lose money.

>>11834651
Meds. You might as well use a modern TV.
>>11834668
Yes. It’s just as good. Better actually.

>>11827363 (OP)
no i have a jvc broadcast monitor they look way better than sony pvms

>>11834660
nice wish i had space for something like this, and theyre not higher res composite will look just as ass as a consumer tv if you use it thats basically all it is you have nicer inputs but even on consumer units rgb looks crisp and here in the uk rgb scart was super common, i prefer it for the component input though ps2 and pos3 look great with it i still use composite for ps1 so i can use my guncon on time crisis

>>11835449
the waterfall effect isnt from composite its from rf

>>11837543
Not my setup, though I have a CRT in storage that's about as big, if it still works.

>>11837546
It works on composite too, that image was listed as taken off composite. Composite was better than RF but it was also not very high quality. In fact one feature of a some early CGA games since many cards at the time had a composite output was to take advantage of this to display more colors than the usual 4 CGA was limited to. This would make the image look really bad over a higher end connector like VGA with vertical lines everywhere and sometimes having no color at all, but over composite they would blend together and show more colors than the CGA hardware itself was capable of at the time.

>>11827363 (OP)
No, what's the point? They're an overpriced meme, all CRTs now are unfortunately.

>>11836480
Sonic look significantly better in RGB. Keep waterfall coping

>>11837626
Emulator screenshots. Compare to a real CRT with RGB. Composhit only look good to you because you are using filters on emulators.

>>11837693
>PVMtard keeps trying to cope with having overspent on a memescreen

>>11837698
>Compare to a real CRT with RGB
>RGB
Do you not know what what CGA even is?

>using filters on emulators
I don't use filters when emulating, if you think that effect only happens with filters you are deep in your delusional cope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL818tN3dRQ

For people who play arcade games especially fighters and shmups - PVMs are worth the high price. Also, my household tv had S-video during the PlayStation era. I wasn’t crazy about using composite for games once I regularly used that. S-video is sharp, but RGB is even sharper and most games look ideal on these monitors. Sucks that they’re expensive, but it’s a high quality product. If you don’t see the value, that’s fine, but if my PVM shit the bed tomorrow I’d look for another despite also having a scaler.

>>11834660
They have a high TVL count, so they are sharper than most consumer sets. But I agree, there's a point where things are just so sharp it kind of defeats the purpose of using a CRT to me. I like to keep things era-accurate.

>>11838096
They are not worth the price, why pretend there is any advantage over a mid priced modern TV.
Non existent input lag?
Total larp.

>>11838096
For Americans maybe, where S-Video is generally the best option without hardware mods. But I play my 2D fightans on a large consumer-grade set hooked up via RGB SCART and they look incredible. Granted, I did spend about 10 hours in the service menu to get to this point, but it was worth it. It's still baffling to me that American consumer sets didn't have RGB when it was a standard feature here. I bought my first RGB SCART cable in about 1997 and never went back to composite (or RF).

This kills the PVM Fanboy

Here is a screenshot from Baroque for Sega Saturn.

No, that angel is not supposed to look like swiss cheese. Neither is that orb next to him. Even the sprite data does not look like that, extract that angel sprite off the game disk and you will see that it's a solid sprite. Yet, this is how they are rendered. It's the Saturn hardware itself doing this. The Saturn had a feature specifically built into it's hardware where you can tell it to render anything, a sprite, a polygon, a solid fill, as a checkerboard pattern where it does not draw every other pixel.

Why? So when people display that on their CRTs over the Composite or RF connection that nearly everyone was using at the time the low fidelity signal would blur those elements together into a transparent object. This was BUILT. IN. to the Saturn's hardware to specifically take advantage of a quirk the types of lower clarity connections that 99% of people would have been using that allows them to pull off tricks the hardware cannot do, or can't do without severe limitations.

People trying to argue that the """"""meme"""""" waterfall in Sonic is meant to look like someone shredded blue construction paper instead of blur together into a transparent effect are in full cope mode trying to justify having overspent on a PVM that actually makes their games look worse, not better. These old games were never meant to display crystal clear pixels, and many developers intentionally took advantage of this to pull off effects that the hardware couldn't do for real but could be faked with a Composite or RF signal to a consumer CRT.

I have RGB mods for my consoles, and it completely destroys this effect when I use them.

>>11838136
It's not even about being period accurate, it's about making the games look like how they were intended, namely, keeping any special effects that took advantage of these screens. I know that not every game did this, and for games that did not I don't mind even going as far as to use a HDMI mod on a 4K screen, but for games that did take advantage of composite blending if you are trying to argue that your PVM connection by RGB is giving you a better image then you might as well be arguing that HDMI mods on an OLED display are a better image.

I got a 9 inch JVC with composite only (which is quite undesirable to the PVM purist) I actually got better picture on a 20' consumer CRT with component but ironically the JVC ended up being better for my needs when I had to move and the larger CRT had to go. 9 inch means I can put it anywhere and the box form factor is great for storage. Also these PVMs are rugged as fuck, it took a fall from a table and didn't get any damage

>>11837546

Nah, both composite and RF

>>11838173
That's an emulator screenshot. Use a pic from an actual CRT retard. Then it will look miles better than composhit filters

>>11838147
>Non existent input lag?
>Total larp.
kek sour grapes. These zoomers that missed out on PVMs come up with a million copes about the advantages being myths or composhit being superior but notice they never post a pic of their stuff. they missed out and are jelly

>>11837729
>still only emulator videos and screenshots
lol sorry you didn't get a PVM. i'll let you cope more

>>11838173
>rying to justify having overspent on a PVM that actually makes their games look worse, not better
but you can still use composite??

Don't need to I have filters

>>11838708
looks like shit son

>>11838707
Thats what I play on. Got one of these 13 inch Magnavox TVs. Its small enough to makes sprites look crisp without making them look like raw pixels like a PVM does,

>>11838708
holy shit lmao

>>11838696
>That's an emulator screenshot
Yes, that's the fucking point, I took an emulator screenshot to show what the console actually outputs. Thanks for failing to even understand why you are wrong.

>>11838705
>Still coping this hard over shredded-paper waterfalls
cry some more

>>11838707
>but you can still use composite??
Yes, but what's the point then? It's not going to look any better than a consumer CRT connected to composite. And that's my point, these games were never designed to be displayed with pixel perfect clarity over RGB connections and PVMs and can in fact look worse because it breaks some of the effects that only work across lower quality connections.

I don't know much about this topic but it seems like it's just one of those "more detail is always better" things like what drives so many people to play old 3D games in high resolution to smooth out polygons' edges (usually without increasing texture resolution to match, and always without increasing model complexity and animation complexity to match), or to prefer fuzzy, cluttered-sounding FM-synth arrangements of old games' music over clean, elegant versions that use simpler sound chips and that leave out all the noisy clutter while keeping 100% of the valuable parts of the composition. So basically it's the good taste of an artist versus the bad taste of a stats-obsessed engineer. Maybe there's more to it though? If there is, then somebody should say something about it so that you PVM fans stop looking like inept know-it-all blowhard manchildren.

>>11838173
you know I can just use my PVM in composite mode if I want this specific look and that's it, right? this is all cope because you were too late to the market and were priced out of getting one. lmao

>>11839402
>you know I can just use my PVM in composite mode if I want this specific look and that's it, right?
You know any CRT will give you that look right? You are an entire mountain of cope trying to disguise your buyers remorse as desperate trolling.

>>11827363 (OP)
I regret to this day not having enough money when someone nearby was offering a PVM 20M2U, and I was short $100USD, took my shot anyway and offended the person so much with all the money I had at the time, they raised the asking price $200USD more, then the PVM was never seen again. Ideally I'd like a 20L5, but PVMs are so rare in my area, as all the ones I encountered are all JVCs here. When I finally settled and decided that's all there were in the area are 9" sets, it was always situations like by contract I cannot purchase from my own workplace or not having enough on-hand cash to close on the PVM. One day I hope to get one, but I accept that it may never be since I have no idea how to repair them.

>>11827363 (OP)
I have like around twenty or more CRTs. I don't need a PVM. I just found a 24'' Panasonic round with component inputs for Ten bucks. It's a nice set.

>>11839426
I rolled the dice and got a couple in the mail, but they didn’t have to travel more than a few hundred miles.

>>11839423
>buys nice reliable top of the line crt
HE IS TROLLING!!!!

>>11839426
Wait.... you don't even play on real hardware. You got some cheap chinese piece of shit hooked up to that monitor?
Marblefag... nothing about you makes any sense.

>>11839459
he is rich he can do what he wants.

>>11839463
He's constantly complaining about being poor. He said he's too poor to even buy a GTX 1080ti. He has boxes of shit he never builds or uses.

>>11837540
sovl

>All the PVM jealousy ITT
It sucks to want something and can't get it, everyone copes differently. I guess I shouldn't laugh at another anon's misery, but please stop shitting up the thread. You already posted your opinions, I know you "prefer" composite, no need to repeat yourself

>>11837540
>tfw I remember again that my dad had an early 80s white corolla hatch and junked it when I was a kid instead of holding onto it for me to acquire

>>11839790
People were coping 10 years ago when they were "too expensive" for a $190 20" Sony PVM. That's when I bought all of mine, dropping 40-200 on each one, I now have a little collection I'm very happy with. Now how much are they?

That scene is over with and the ship has sailed.

>>11839790
>shitting up a thread that was made as a shit post

Why dont you fuckers just learn to do RGB mods to consumer sets?

>>11839790
>Not falling for a meme that actually gives you a worse experience is just jealously that you can't easily buy something like you did
Whatever helps you sleep at night, enjoy your streamer waterfalls and Saturn games you can play checkers on

>>11840737
>the scene is over because i have declared it to be so!
ebay completed listings exist and are public
please consider realworld evidence instead of making demonstrably false claims
>>11840746
>crying about crt
>crying about the BEST of crts
>timposting in general of all things
surely the man with a collection as large as his has a vintage crt or two kek

>>11840963
its the WORST noooOoOOO stop having fun!
STOP ENJOYING YOUR EXPENSIVE CRT
STOP ENJOYING THE BEST CRTS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW!!!!!

>>11838147
It's not about input lag. There wouldn't be an advantage over a consumer set when it comes to input lag. Most arcade games use RGB displays, but most American consumer sets are at best S-Video. You may not think that a clearer pictures is worth the price, but to me it's definitely worth it. It's the same picture quality as an arcade monitor without having to buy actual arcade hardware. Now, with that said, I played FF6 on it and it also looks really good - but that's not really the point I'm making. Vampire Savior and Metal Slug for example looks EXACTLY as it would if I had a cabinet and it conveniently fits on my desk. To me personally, the high price is not too much to ask.

>>11841126
Those are sold listings.

>>11839456
You're lucky. My local postal workers don't look like they could handle any packages of a CRT's weight without flipping it over a few times to roll it across towards a home. With the prices these days for PVMs, that is too much money to go gambling with. I just know deep down I can't possibly have similar luck and instead open a package of glass shards everywhere.

>>11839459
The guilt and remorse hangs over my head all the time that I purchased from China. At the time, it was purely transactional since the Megadriver cart was under $20USD opposed to the real ones from Ukraine that can play Sega/Mega-CD games. I honestly was not fully aware of how much of a piece of shit China really was at the time and my lack of money lead me towards this flash cart. That's why I encourage others to get the real ones from krikzz, not only for the full features, but primarily to avoid all the issues that go along with China. Maybe if wages had kept up, I could have gotten the Mega Everdrive Pro.

man I made so much money off you retards. some of you even paid my ridiculously over quoted shipping prices! what a great time to have been alive.

>>11841229
I should probably be clear too: I was overpricing and selling PVMs and basic bitch CRTs. I used to aggressively buy them up to make sure you couldn't find them. then I'd go to /v/ and later here once it existed to shitpost and drum up attention. a chance to take retards' money that easily only comes once in a blue moon, shit was choice.

>>11841229
>>11841239
Buy an ad fren.

>>11841249
well I don't do it anymore, all of grandma's garage tvs have all been bought up now. there's no profit it in anymore! I am sad I didn't hold on to a few though, I didn't think prices would get so ridiculous. I seriously underestimated how retarded you all are.

>>11840963
You seem very emotionally invested into this debate, for someone who simply "was too cool to fall for this meme"

>>11841229
Based reseller chad. Thank you for increasing the supply and helping our hobby persist.

>>11839229
RGB on a CRT is always better than composhit. Your emulator screenshot copes won't change that.

>>11841885
The other dude keeps posting cope replies and you think I am the one invested in this debate?

>>11841923
>RGB on a CRT is always better than composhit
That's what I used to think too when I got RGB mods for my consoles
I know better now
RGB is only better if you are planning to connect it to an upscaler or something, not directly to a CRT

>>11841934
you do get some improvement for text and sharpness
i would want rgb for text heavy or where devs didnt intentionally make use of shimmer/dithering

its autistic but i want the shimmer in blaster master when its supposed to be there and i DONT want shimmer when its not supposed to be

>>11841954
Yes, it can make make things clearer, text is a great example and one of the easiest to notice. My point is many games relied on it not being clear and took advantage of this for special effects.

>>11841923
Emulator screenshots on a modern screen are better than blurry stuff, I left that behind, I embrace the sharpness.
Tiny ass PVM designed to be stuck in a rack? Sure it might look better than a lot of older CRTs but no one used it for home gaming originally. That’s not even nostalgia. It’s just fake.
Fictional clown world.

>>11841963
What if some of us not only got our pvms for free and are also video nerds who like to use high end screens just because we can? My previous workplace bought an 8m x 4m led wall and we set it up, popped gta4 on one pip and snes on another pip just because we could. Mario world stretched on 5m of led was low quality but fucking amazing. Not everyone is chasing nostalgia but it seems like everyone who didn't get a pvm is extremely bitter and pissed off about it

>>11842794
PVMs only seem special to those who have never seen a TV with connections that go beyond composite. If people bothered to learn some soldering, they could be turning their roadside sets into something of equivalent capabilities, unless its a really fucked tube.

>dude it's best to sacrifice 95% of the image to get blending in that 5%
why are composhitters like this?

>>11842926
Roadside TVs are still going to have 300TVL and 40k hours on the tube

>>11841214
>real ones from Ukraine that can play Sega/Mega-CD games
You don't need the pro version. I did the research and did the hunting and found the exact same thing from krikzz as the X7 for around $60. And I did the same thing for the N64. I bought the one that you have to have patched roms for a handful of games. Got it for less than $100 shipped from the ukraine in 2020. Has access to 100% of the library.

>>11843038
Most pvms are going to have more hours put into them than a home set and are much more likely to have burn-in.

>>11842960

That blending is super important across many games and systems, it isn't 5%. I don't like the raw pixel look of component/RGB. The composite image isn't even bad but it does vary by TV.

>>11843325
>That blending is super important across many games and systems, it isn't 5%.
Sonic (the usual example used by blendfags):
Waterfall in Stage 1 act 2
Waterfall in Stage 1 act 3
??????????????????????

You're right, it's less than 0.5%

>>11842794
>nerds who like to use high end screens just because we can?
If that's your thing that's fine, you do you, just stop acting like that's how the games were intended to be seen or that they will produce an unarguably "better" image when they would break many intended effects of many games.

>but it seems like everyone who didn't get a pvm is extremely bitter and pissed off about it
You would incredibly insecure about owning a PVM. At this point it's like Apple fanboys arguing that people with Android phones only have one because they can't afford an iPhone. No, people aren't crying sour grapes because they can't get a PVM, they don't want one for the reasons many previous stated. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself that it's not the superior end-all you thought it was.

>>11842960
It's much more than 5% in many games, many Saturn games are a mess to look at without it. Might as well just use a modern 4K screen though HDMI if you are going to use a PVM with RGB, unless you think somehow that 13 inch PVM is going to produce a better image than a 40+ inch modern TV.

>>11843272
Normally I defent most of Krizz's carts (even though they are quite overpriced), but the Summercart64 is better than Krizz's N64 everdrives in every way and is around 1/2 to 1/3rd the price, it's embarrassing that he's still selling it or hasn't significantly slashed the price. When a better competitor to his SNES everdrive came around he just simply started stocking it... at a high price. There is a competitor to his Pro Genesis one too, but in my opinion that company is much worse than Krizz and I refuse to give them money.

>>11843348
>A feature literally built into the Saturn hardware that shitloads of games used such as >>11838173 tht can cover up 50% of the screen.

Keep >>11836480-ing

>>11827363 (OP)
a variety, however used for their real purpose and rarely for games

>>11843303
That only applies to monitors used for CCTV. Most PVMs popping up on the used market for the first time, were most likely used for a couple of years, then replaced with some LCD and stashed away in a basement. Especially the medical PVMs seem to have low hours, I've seen a couple of those and the image was always pristine, with only small corner convergence issues - and I've never seen any Sony tube without those

>>11843415
>At this point it's like Apple fanboys arguing that people with Android phones only have one because they can't afford an iPhone. No, people aren't crying sour grapes because they can't get a PVM, they don't want one for the reasons many previous stated.
I think Apple is shit, because I used their flagship products for a while (iPhone, Macbook) and wasn't happy with them. Which particular PVMs have you see in person, to form this opinion?

>be emufag
>hook computer to pvm
>use sgenpt-mix
>get full sharpness and blending together
emubros we won

>>11827363 (OP)
anybody play PAL on these? I suppose a multisync PC monitor would work. Id prefer a PAL C64 is why.

>>11827617
composite looks better than s video on my 28 inch, some TVs have really good comb filters for composite

>>11830021
haha poorfag living with mommy lmao imagine not having your own entire floor of your house for your bar and vr collection lmao

>>11842794
>everyone who didn't get a pvm is extremely bitter and pissed off about it
Lmao I don’t want that shit. We simply don’t want these tiny ass things. You are probably one of the resellers who make these threads to push this crap on zoomers. So transparent.

>>11844673
Lmao you are bang wrong. I got my 20" for free and I ain't selling it so you can't have it

>>11844665
Yeah I play in pal land, only consoles through it at the mo but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have an issue connecting a pc to it. They are pro monitors so they will support a lot of resolutions and refresh rates.

>>11844673
I'd like to have one. I live in an area where it was next to impossible to find a PVM. However consumer televisions were basically falling out of the sky. So what little want I have in a PVM is filled by my 21 inch Trinitron computer monitors. I think quality consumer sets are better for playing games on than a PVM/BVM.