I am absolutely obsessed with this game, can we have a discussion about it? not the sequel, not the dogshit ue5 remake, just this.
I personally can't believe how ambitious it was. Not just for the time either. This game released just one week before doom 2, and it had goddamn..
>fluid motion system I've only seen in Raven Shield otherwise
>a minigame where the game turns into some sort of cyberpunk space shooter style game as you surf the cyber realm
>different ammo types that actually work realistically instead of having higher damage
>a dynamic soundtrack that adds different noises and sfx as you get near different types of danger, like computer noises when you are near cyborgs and crackling noises when you are near radiation, all within the songs
my fucking god, what a game. I get why someone called this "thinking man's doom" once.

also, I found the ss1 shodan a lot more menacing and terrifying than the ss2 one.

Can't stand the cyberspace, though.

>>11828046
I get why you'd say that, anon, it made me kind of motion sick as well. but I imagine it must have been mind blowing in 1994. also, it has probably my favourite track in the OST.(especially the tunnel parts)

>>11828046
Honestly I think that's an aspect that the remake actually did well. Goes from being this weird wireframe hell hole to being diet Descent.

>>11828032 (OP)
I love how Hacker gets high when you use the berserk patch, i thought it was hilarious.

>>11828065
Berserk is just space meth. Hallucinations and retard strength included.

>>11828071
>space meth
kek

>tfw no shodan gf to call you an insect

>>11828109
>okay, shit, finally ready to fire that fucking laser after an excruciating trip
>here we go
>*subtle sounds of something crawling around the corner of the panel*
>BOOM
>SCREEN GLITCHES OUT
>DAA DUU DAA DUU DAA DUU DAA DUU
>THEY FIND YOUR BODY AND GIVE IT NEW LIFE
t-thanks

>I personally can't believe how ambitious it was.
Yeah, I started playing this , enhanced edition, this week and it surprises me more and more. At first I thought little of its cumbersome UI and control scheme, but I didnt change either and got over it. Things I like:
>levels are labyrinthe and both reward and challenge me for backtracking
>guns have recoil and I'm forced to aim properly
>music is dynamic as you mention, I laughed when I realised the lifts/elevators actually have "muzak" every time you step in
>just the right amount of storytelling, presented in a similar format as Bioshock has years later (post-event, you find recordings of pre-event details)
>lots of ammo and ammo types

>>11828046
It's such a small part of the game though.

>>11828032 (OP)
>dogshit

>>11828032 (OP)
>a dynamic soundtrack that adds different noises and sfx as you get near different types of danger, like computer noises when you are near cyborgs and crackling noises when you are near radiation, all within the songs
this part really isn't that impressive. Just have a bunch of different versions of the music running simultaneously, but mute all but one, then switch which one is audible based on proximity

>>11828161
>THEY FIND YOUR BODY AND GIVE IT NEW LIFE
I love creepy writing in old games kek.

>>11828032 (OP)
Enhanced edition for this game is fucked, best way to enjoy it is through DOSBox.

>>11828916
>Enhanced edition for this game is fucked
how so? does it leave stuff out?

>>11829167
RNG is broken for each level's code in the security room and it suffers from a stuttering problem added in the latest patch.

>>11828038
>>11828046
I agree with these.

>>11828109
Fuck this guy in particular

>>11828032 (OP)
I've been replaying recently - it holds up surprisingly well, though the enhanced edition adds full free-mouselook which makes the game a lot more playable with our more modern sensibilities. Play the original version on DOSbox for an experience that will be less than fluid for about the first hour before you get used to it.

The atmosphere is great, SS does a lot around impending dread rather than big jump scares (though there are a couple one could argue).

What's even more amazing to me is that there's a floppy disk version that exists (which has a lot less content on - sure) but the key elements of the game are there.

I try to post this in every System Shock 1 thread.

Shodan was trying to combine the computers and electronics of Citadel itself with biological material, and she succeeded in turning the Bridge and Diego's Quarters into basically a living cyborg space station. I think the point was the Shodan was building herself a "body" that she would control from her place on the Bridge as the brain.

The remake removed all of this and replaced it with the same space station parts seen in the other parts of the game.

>>11829360
was THAT Shodan*

>>11828032 (OP)
System shock has the best leaning mechanics in any game ever bar NONE

>>11828754
eat shit faggot. there's your (You).
>>11829360
very good post, I just pretend remakes don't exist. I don't even listen to the opinions of remake fans in discussions kek.
>>11829878
agree 100%. leaning has always felt awkward to me in games, trying to position yourself perfectly to not be out too much but also get a good angle and so on, but system shock never had those issues, you could lean as much as you wanted however you wanted. you had full control. I compared to raven shield because it was the only game I knew that had that level of control, but even that was sort of awkward to control and very slow. I can't think of any other game than SS1 that had such a fluid and perfect motion system.

>>11828776
>this part really isn't that impressive
I am aware of that on a technical level but I am astonished by the fact they came up with that alone. correct me if I'm wrong, but dynamic soundtracks still had a few years before they became popular, no?

CAN WE GET A
>YOUR MEMO- MEMORY
IN THE THREAD
I START
>YOUR MEMO- MEMORY

>>11830742
I think the old Tie Fighter games did that too but it doesn't matter who did it first. What matters is that it's contributing greatly to the atmosphere. It's a great feature of the game really. And MIDI is arguably the superior way for a dynamic soundtrack, much better than using audio files.

>>11828776
>Uhm, this dish really isn't that impressive, it's just the ingredients cut up and heated up over time with spices added in the process.
You sound joyless and insufferable.

It's impressive how there's tons of stuff to find that makes exploration rewarding and how open it is. I think if you know where to go you can go from the start up to the executive level without doing anything else in terms of objectives first. In fact there are actually very few things you have to do to finish the game. Most of it is just finding your way around. It kinda leaves you to your own devices without holding your hand. It's amazing.

>>11830748
It's not memory, it's just memo. As in memorandum. Your memo, your memo.

>>11829360
>with biological material
i just beat the game. i guess that explains the spooky "living" textures on the walls in the final area.
anyway i don't think i'll ever bother with the remake. i'm going to play System Shock 2 Classic next, which i've had in my Steam library for 12 years but never touched.

>>11831869
what did you die to?

>>11831828
well shit, I stand corrected, anon. Thanks.

>>11831883
security bots

>>11831883
NTA but I usually have 5-9 regenerations due to mistakes and intentionally getting killed to be resurrected in a quiet place with more health and no resources used up.

>>11828032 (OP)
I first played SS1 in around 2005 and it blew me away. I couldn't believe they'd pulled it off in 1994 barely 1 year after Doom.

It's an outrageously ambitious game for its time.

>>11832029
It's like Alien to Star Wars. Released only a year or two later, but does a better job of the genre.

Wish I could be Diego and worship SHODAN as king cyber simp and marry her and shit, damn.

I can only imagine the kino of playing this in 94. I played it at age 30 and thought it was amazing

>>11829167
It's good enough for the first playthrough, but will remove some of the challenge if you want to replay your game second time.

>>11829360
The more I played the remake the more I started to appreciate the original.

>>11831828
As an ESL I did not even registered that was an actual phrase, just some broken robot vocoder or something. But now I guess I will from now on.

>>11834901
The only game that got somewhat close to its spirit and ideas was Prey 2017

Is it the Assassin Cyborg that says "your memo your memo"?
I recognise the sound from hearing it a lot in-game, but my hearing is pretty poor and it doesn't sound like an attempt at words to me.

>>11828032 (OP)
People like to dickride id thinking they were the most innovative developers of the 90s but for sure that title belongs to looking glass

Remember to play both Ultima Underworld games if you like SS

>>11837314
I have never played these, how are they similar to ss1 ? other than being made by the same devs

>>11836992
>>11837021
I always thought it was just robot gibberish like the cyborg assassins in SS2. I'll keep my ears open next time

the poor cyborgs are just trying to deliver your memo to you, and you shoot them dead...

apparently its "your memos are never good"

>>11837358
SS1 has a more elegant design with less note taking required thanks to the audio logs and e-mails (and less secret doors) but the controls are similar and UUW1 is probably the best dungeon crawler ever made. If you end up playing it I would recommend not using the "look, speak, touch modes" and instead using the context sensitive mode instead which the game doesn't really tell you about so it feels more like SS1 with interactions.

>>11828032 (OP)
Took me a little while to get used to the interface but what a game, it felt like a substantial experience in the way 90s games often did. I liked SS2 but this game did so many little things better.
>Shodan characterization (SS2 also went too far with the electronic distortion of her voice)
>Legally not a lightsaber not making distracting noise when equipped
>Cyberspace was fine I don't care what anyone says
>Audio logs with character talking on screen
>NICE JUMP HUMAN
>Grenade that really felt like grenades
>No Ken Levine
>Old habits die hard
Other stuff too I'm sure, haven't played in a while. I can tell why it wasn't everyone's favorite when it came out next to stuff like Doom, I feel like it would have not been great to play on a typical affordable CRT at the time.

SS1 isn't as good of an experience as SS2. There, I said it.

>>11828032 (OP)
looks like shit its a shit game for retards most likely

>>11828032 (OP)
>I get why someone called this "thinking man's doom" once.

Deus Ex totally mogged it.

>>11828032 (OP)
I thought the music if you can even call it that was so annoying

>>11829220
>The atmosphere is great, SS does a lot around impending dread rather than big jump scares (though there are a couple one could argue).

you can play Ultima Underworld for that. though by endgame you should be too powerful to give a shit unless you're play with 100 percent magic-only for combat. or a low-STR class like Wizard. note that Paladin is also broken because it was suppose to be high-STR, but they made it low-STR and high-DEX instead.

>>11837358
you can also play Arx Fatalis(unofficial UW3), for that gloomy oppressive atmos. but imo, the spell system and some of the jumping/ fake-"flying" mechanics is ass.

>>11837025
idsoft(texas edition) made Deus Ex 1 though?

>>11832165
>>11832029
brah they made Ultima Underworld before DOOM was a thing. THAT was truly revolutionary. but it flopped.

more like Looking Glass was making Babylon 5, while everyone else was trying to make another Flash Gordon.

>>11830816
>Tie Fighter games did that too but it doesn't matter who did it first.
AFAIK Sierra's graphic adventure games pioneered dynamic muzak.

>>11828046
Well it's nice that you can adjust the difficulty of cyberspace independent of everything else.

>>11828032 (OP)
I know some people actually like the procedurally generated music but to me that was by far the weakest aspect of the game. I love the elevator music though.

>>11829202
>and it suffers from a stuttering problem added in the latest patch.
I think gog lets you download any older version you want. It's been waaay too long since I've played it through dosbox with a mouselook patch but I specifically recall the EE ironing out some really cumbersome UI issues that the dosbox mouselook patch version had. I never got further than the second or third floor (relative to the one you start on) when I played it on dosbox, but played the EE straight through in a few days when I tried it.

>>11829360
Other than textures/aesthetics, did they change the final level in the remake? I always felt the final level was rushed and mostly a product of racing towards their release date.