Can this be marked as one of the darkest days in retro gaming history? Watching Microsoft purchasing Rare was like watching Satan purchase the Church. Just an absolutely disgusting act that defiled video game culture for years to come. Imagine how much stronger the GameCube library would have been with Rare to back it up. Donkey Kong Racing, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, and possibly even Banjo Threeie would have all been GameCube games.

And the saddest thing is Micro$hit didn't do a single worthwhile thing with any of Rare's IPs. The whole purchase was conducted for no reason other than pure evil, to deprive gamers of what we wanted.

>>11830386 (OP)
I remember being surprised but not devastated

Rare has made some good games after being acquired by Microsoft, such as Kameo and Nuts & Bolts.

I don’t know much about Perfect Dark Zero because I haven’t played it. I’m sure people will eventually discuss how the modern reboot has many concerning issues but Joanna Dark having a man jaw isn’t one of them.

Nuts & Bolts, Viva Piñata, Sea of Thieves. All great games from the Microsoft era that felt like a breath of fresh air compared to the traditional rare who ran out of ideas by the time they got to Starfox Adventures.

>>11830401
>Rare has made some good games after being acquired by Microsoft, such as Kameo and Nuts & Bolts.
Kameo was a GameCube game that was forcibly ported over to Xbox and then Xbox 360 because of the purchase.

Nuts & Bolts was an embarrassing diversion created because Rare under MS leadership had 0 interest in creating 3D platformers (what they were known for) and decided to conduct a demoralization campaign against the fans of the genre instead. Genuinely fucking despicable.

>>11830410
Written like a true Microbot. You don't have any idea what good games look like. Live service slop like Sea of Fags certainly isn't it.

>>11830386 (OP)
Didn’t they buy them in name only? Like the team behind goldeneye and perfect dark formed free radical and they spent that gen making timesplitters. I don’t know about the other groups at Rare like how many people from the teams that was pumping out classic after classic on the 64 were still even around?

Yeah, Rare lost its magic. Their games were running overtime and over budget, but they were pretty good. Microsoft put an end to that shit. Let’s compare in my opinion:

N64 Era:
>Killer Instinct
Decent Mortal Kombat clone
>Blast Corps
Great hidden gem, unique gameplay
>Goldeneye
All time great, revolutionary (for a console) FPS.
>Diddy Kong Racing
Excellent Mario Kart clone, best kart racer on the system?
>Banjo Kazooie
Great collectathon, simple levels and fun exploration. Took Mario 64 in a collection focused direction and made a fun game from it.
>Jet Force Gemini
I think the games underrated. Early 3rd person shooter with big worlds. The collection bothered some people.
>DK64
Now the collectathon stuff is becoming the focus. Love it or hate it, this is the most collectathon.
>Perfect Dark
Excellent sequel to GE. Improved in every way except frame rate.
>Mickey’s Speedway
An average kart racer
>Banjo Tooie
A collectathon with metroidvania elements. Can be tedious, but if you like the style its excellent
>Conker
A more linear, cinematic experience. Decent game. Toilet humor and parody keep it fresh. Should be a deep cut but everyone remembers it.
>Dinosaur Planet
Cancelled/half released OOT clone that was shaping up nicely. Released Frankensteined on GC

XBOX era
>Grabbed by the Goulies
An ok beat-em up, very bare bones for 2003.
>Conker
A remake with different graphics, online, but thats it.
>Kameo
The last of the Nintendo 64 projects. And the last half decent Rare game.
>Perfect Dark Zero
SHITTY fps. Garbage.
>Viva Pinatas
Not my (anyone’s?) thing.
>BK N&B
Kinda near the beginning of the customization minecraft thing? Again not my thing.
>Kinect shit
Its over

>>11830445
>>Conker
>A remake with different graphics, online, but thats it.
Don't forget that it was censored.

Microsoft enforced draconian censorship on Conker, where Nintendo didn't give a single fuck and let the game be published as-is.

Absolutely insane and despicable. Heads should've rolled (literally) in M$'s Californian headquarters for that decision.

>>11830445
>N64 Era:
>>Killer Instinct
>Decent Mortal Kombat clone
not only does KI play nothing like MK, it was from before the N64 era.
confirmed for larping zoomer faggot who wasn't there.

>the darkest day in game
they had made only one good game up until that point and still haven't made a second.

it was literally just another day in gaming.

Mentally ill nintentroon

>>11830468
Mentally deranged Microtroon

>>11830386 (OP)
Rareddit never made a good game

>>11830386 (OP)
Thing is many highly successful gaming companies that produced masterpieces ended up going broke and shutting down within a few years. It was the nature of the business. It's a huge tragedy, you would think that you form a company, it's wildly successful, and you continue to produce games, and even if they weren't always at the peak they would still be interesting and good. But so many shut down completely - Sierra, Acclaim, Midway - and others change so much it's like it's not really the same company anymore.

>>11830447
It's more fun than the n64 game, online is awesome

>>11830447
>oh no they beeped out the word shit
>THIS IS WORTH GETTING BERY UPSET OBER
lmfao. retard

>>11830453
He means Killer Instinct Gold

>>11831485
I know, retard. it's literally just an arcade port. doesn't really count as original output.
a zoomer wouldn't know that, of course.

Nintendo intentionally gave Rare to Microsoft because they knew Rare was getting shittier and bringing down their reputation with slop like Conker's BFD, Banjo Tooie and Star Fox Adventures.

From an article in 2002, right before Microsoft bought the company:

>Nintendo, which declined to discuss the sale price of its share of Rare, had an option to purchase the rest of the developer last fall, but decided against it, believing that the price was too high.

>"Nintendo had the ability to continue its exclusive relationship with Rare, but in looking at the company's recent track record, it became clear that its value to the future of Nintendo would be limited," said Peter MacDougall, executive vice president of sales and marketing for Nintendo of America. "In other words, we passed on this opportunity for very good business reasons."

Nintendo realized Rare had outlived its usefulness and that's why they let Microsoft purchase them. It was a business tactic to make Nintendo games look that much better by comparison.

>>11830386 (OP)
Rare brought it upon themselves. They got too greedy and prideful and thought they could get Nintendo to pay them more, but Nintendo called their bullshit out and kicked Rare to the curb, and then Microsoft swooped in like the vultures they are to grab them.

>>11830419
>sea of thieves
Besides being a live service, what is wrong with sea of thieves? Not vr, just asking.

>>11830386 (OP)
I know people who worked at Rare at the time. They all agree this was a huge mistake.

>>11830419
>Nuts & Bolts was an embarrassing diversion created because Rare under MS leadership had 0 interest in creating 3D platformers (what they were known for) and decided to conduct a demoralization campaign against the fans of the genre instead. Genuinely fucking despicable.
This is such a hysterical fanfiction narrative, just totally departed from reality. Demoralization campaign LOL. You should probably hang yourself

Nuts & Bolts was 10x better than Tooie

>>11830445
>Not my (anyone’s?) thing.
Both Viva Pinata games are fantastic and some of Rare's most creative and fun work

Nuts & Bolts isn't retro.
Take it to >>>/v/, dumb faggots.

>>11831636
vr rule 1 does not mean games past the designated year of retroness are forbidden to mention like voldemort fucking retard. When OP stipulates a company known for their retro games never made anything good past a certain point everyone is very welcome to refute that. What would you prefer, you can just say anything about a game released after the PS2 and everyone ignores it or otherwise gets banned/deleted?

The only notable game Rare made under Microsoft is Viva Piñata.

>>11830482
>mom I'm trolling on 4chan
(You)

>>11831651
>people posting exclusively about n&b and not in relation to relevant titles
please remove yourself

I wanted to stab Yamauchi when that happened. I was a N64 faggot and I moved to Xbox. Rare didn't bring the same amount of games on it but at least it got games not like the ShitCube.

>>11830401
>Nuts & Bolts
>good

>>11830482
They made one good game, and in addition to being the one good rare game, it was the one good start fox game.

>>11830386 (OP)
I didn't think so. Rare's quality had been declining for some time and DK64 was an abomination, so it was clear Microsoft were buying a hollowed out husk. It was more of a dark day that Microsoft entered the industry with the Xbox at all.... yet, to me, the Xbox generation isn't retro. Going back to true retro, the main "dark day" was Japanese developers turning their backs on the N64.

People saying RARE didn't matter are Nintendo fanboy copers. DKC mogged Nintendo on the SNES and Goldeneye sold on merit to a tune of 8 million copies, unlike Nintendo's shockingly bad dreck like Yoshi's Story which failed to chart.

They were a lifeline in the absolutely pitiful third and first party support the N64 received. Anybody trying to say otherwise is rewriting history and mad that Nintendo screwed the pooch but don't want to admit it.

>>11831491
still an n64 game faggot

I remember seeing uncle tusk and mr pants and all that replaced by a corporate Microsoft website immediately after the buyout. I was about 15. I remember wanting to kill them, and hoping someone would kill them, seemed like a fundamental crime against humanity. In hindsight it still seems surprising that they were able to do that

>>11833412
I should add that reading this thread brings back those old feelings. My blood boils. It bothers me that there’s still executives out there who think it was fine to pull the plug on Uncle Tusk. They never even apologised or repented. Many of them probably still living normal, happy lives. Seems super fucked up

Microsoft is the archetype of the soulless corporation.

>>11833426
>Says this unironically when Nintendo is also right there and let it happen

King Solomon literally warned us about this exact situation but both mothers in this situation went "yeah sure"

>>11830445
I think this post is pretty reasonable. However, when it comes to 5th gen consoles we cant forget to mention what Rare games meant for couch multiplayer. Some of the games in your list have literally infinite replay value simply because of the multiplayer mode
>goldeneye
>diddy kong racing
>perfect dark
>conker
These 4 games can be picked up and played with your friends today and would still have a good time just like when they were released.

>>11830386 (OP)
>Imagine how much stronger the GameCube library would have been with Rare to back it up

Rare was going to be bought either by Microsoft or Actvision.

>>11830419
>and decided to conduct a demoralization campaign against the fans of the genre instead.
What the fuck...

>>11831982

Everybody was saying this, but everybody is correct: It's a good game, it's just not a good BK game.

>>11833943
you've never seen the intro for Nuts & Bolts?

>>11831493
It isn't just about Rare as developers, though.

If Nintendo purchased Rare in 2001/2002, then what else do they get?

The IPs, of course.

Nintendo purchasing Rare means that Nintendo now own Banjo-Kazooie, Conker, Perfect Dark, and all the rest of Rare's IPs.

It means that even if Rare goes to absolute shit under their leadership, they can still commission someone like Retro Studios to make a new Banjo or Perfect Dark game.

Those IPs were valuable and could've bolstered Nintendo's catalogue.

Imagine a world where Banjo had a new game every generation on the GameCube, Wii, Wii U, Switch and Switch 2, as well as several spin-offs.. This could've happened if Nintendo owned the IP.

>>11833412
>I remember seeing uncle tusk and mr pants and all that replaced by a corporate Microsoft website immediately after the buyout. I was about 15. I remember wanting to kill them, and hoping someone would kill them, seemed like a fundamental crime against humanity. In hindsight it still seems surprising that they were able to do that
Absolutely correct.

Today's world doesn't talk enough about how despicable Microsoft as a corporation are, and how deeply they deserve to be punished.

Genuinely the worst company to have ever existed in human history.

>>11833364
Yes, they kept the N64 afloat but by the end of the N64's lifespan they were no longer the same.
>>11834964
I can't see Nintendo wanting to sustain British created IPs that they didn't really understand by farming them out to third parties.

>>11834984
Banjo at the very least did pretty well in Japan, and Miyamoto said he liked it and that it was part of the reason Ocarina of Time didn’t come out in 1997

retards think nuts and balls was a good game so why bother creating something good, just feed them their slop and print $

>>11831493
> price was too high
> NOO! it outlived its usefulness
only one of those statements is true, and i would say it's the first: nintendo couldn't afford to pay for rare. that's it. if they had outlived their usefulness, why did microsoft give $350 million or whatever it was? for the fuck of it?

>>11835089
you didn't even play it

>>11830386 (OP)
It went so fucking poorly that Microsoft never attempted exclusivity with an acquisition ever again.

I genuinely think the plan from the start was to Hoover up the industry in buyouts and the Rare buyout blowing up in their face simply delayed the process by a decade and a half or so until Minecraft was purchased

>>11836145
>nintendo couldn't afford to pay for rare
More like they wouldn't pay because they knew Rare was just trying to scam them.

>>11830386 (OP)
it was the best outcome because most of the talent had left for free radical by that point anyway, and furfaggot adventures was garbage. it also somehow led to nuts and bolts which was one of the best games of the 7th gen and had the added bonus of making guh huh wahooie lards seethe for eternity.

>>11836348
>Driving game with bad driving is the best game of 7th gen
It was a bad gen but this is a needlessly reductive statement anon.

>>11836358
>driving game
sorry you only watched a youtube video of the first 20 minutes instead of actually playing the game. it's a platformer where you make your own abilities, and if you only choose to build shopping carts then that's on you. i was building mech robots and transforming rocket ships. the main hub world is also pretty much pure on foot platforming.

>>11836365
>It's a platformer
Fuckingggggggg L O L, that's a new cope. Actual outright delusion, there's nothing platformer about Nuts and Bolts besides the holdover hub world and obvious
>i was building mech robots and transforming rocket ships
And how did they handle?

>>11830386 (OP)
>Can this be marked as one of the darkest days in retro gaming history?

Grow up, you mid-40s manchild.

>>11830447
>Californian

Is this a bot? Microsoft's headquarters is nowhere near California.

>>11836381
>it's not a platformer because you use a vehicle to jump, fly and shoot eggs instead of a bear with a backpack (even though you still play as a bear with a backpack who spends a significant portion of the game jumping around on foot)
bizzare, but alright.
>And how did they handle?
great, my favorite was this moonlander vehicle i made that was like a giant monster truck with a detachable ufo that could fly around and then re-dock.

>>11834984
>I can't see Nintendo wanting to sustain British created IPs that they didn't really understand by farming them out to third parties.

Honestly, going by what was offered in Rare Replay, Rare barely had anything to offer to Gamecube Era Nintendo. One more Banjo game wasn't going to turn their declining sales around, another Conker game would never live up to BFD's cult status, and seeing Dinosaur Planet released in an sorry incomplete state would give me pause about buying another Rare game ever again.

Honestly, Nintendo giving away Rare and investing in Retro Studios was the best thing they did for themselves.

Like when Bungie thought they were much more than Halo and it died.

>>11830386 (OP)
yes, microjew obliterates everything they touch

>ctrl + F
>0 results for "ship of theseus"

When Rare got bought, many employees left. It became a different company of the same name. Not even worth talking about games after that because it's a different company. Shameful display, /vr/. This could have been first post and then the conversation would have already been over.

>>11836754
>nobody discussed rare being a shadow of its former self because there's no result for a specific term used in the thread
this is next level retardation or high quality bait. multiple people have already mentioned how half the team was gone by the time of the MS acquisition, what a stupid fucking thing to wax on about. maybe try reading the thread before posting next time. also:
>When Rare got bought, many employees left
if you're going to act like a redditor, at least get your facts straight. the vast majority of people who left did so before the sale, not after. FRD released timesplitters 1 as a PS2 launch title in 2000 and that was several years before starfox adventures was released. most of the guys who made shit like goldeneye and BK1 were gone by the tip end of the 90s.

>>11836787
>this is next level retardation or high quality bait. multiple people have already mentioned how half the team was gone by the time of the MS acquisition, what a stupid fucking thing to wax on about. maybe try reading the thread before posting next time. also:

look, friend, (and I do mean that, you are my friend) if people aren't going to use the right terminology for the situation, then don't bother posting at all. The situation is a, say it with me now, "SHIP OF THESEUS". Go to college or do something, holy shit.

>>11836796
>you HAVE to use the term "ship of theseus" specifically or you can't discuss an entity being composed of differing parts to maintain a consistent whole!!!
jesus christ

Rare is one of the most overrated companies to exist, outside of DKC, Perfect Dark , GoldenEye and Diddy Kong Racing everything was mediocre

>>11836803
https://icangotocollege.com/

>>11836807
did you master in faggotology?

>>11836806
6 good games over 6 years is pretty good, anon

>>11836754
Can't help it when the same manchild spreading Xbox FUD always makes these threads.

>>11836796
>Go to college

Admit it, you pulled the Ship of Theseus reference from Wandavision like all of us did.

>>11836787
>if you're going to act like a redditor,

The fuck does this even mean?

>>11836819
>The fuck does this even mean
it's when you smell your own farts and enjoy the aroma, even though you're full of shit

>>11831623
It has been so long since it happened that in people's memory Nuts & Bolts is simply an experimental game that you either loved or hated, but what people have forgotten is that Banjo Kazooie 3 was originally promised as a traditional collectathon platformer, and it was not until halfway into development that they were forced to bring cars into it by Microsoft, who refused to greenlight a vanilla platformer. This created a team of soured employees, some of whom liked the idea and others who hated it, and created division in the company. Much of this was vented in small doses on their website where they talked to fans, attacking people who expected a platformer game, and the opening of nuts and bolts itself is clearly written by one of the more disgruntled staff, depicting Grunty as a Microsoft leader forcing them to change their platforming game while she badmouths fans of platformers at the same time
>>11831627
Please kill yourself at your soonest convenience.

Just read that MS will shut down Double Fine. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this company

>>11836819
redditors are self-important virtue-signaling idiot sheeple NPCs with a savior complex.

>>11830386 (OP)
In all honesty, MS buying Rare was a blessing for the company. Rare was falling apart and if they didn't get bought out they would have collapsed, they already lost a lot of their talent I honestly find it shocking how well PD came out given how tumultuous the development was.

Rare post acquisition wasn't controlled by Microsoft until after Nuts and Bolts, which was the final nail the coffin for them. I earnestly believe they would have made identical games to what they did up to Nuts and Bolts with or without Microsoft and they probably would have been received just the same as they were. However with Microsoft taking most of the heat for all the mediocre to shit games they put out they were able to survive and chill in the background until pretty much everyone left the company that actually mattered.

>>11830386 (OP)
>Watching Microsoft purchasing Rare was like watching Satan purchase the Church. Just an absolutely disgusting act that defiled video game culture for years to come.
Jesus Christ man it's a video game company. You're acting like Rare was a person that you knew personally and watched get beaten and executed. I mean this as one person to another, if you're this attached to a video game company, go outside.

>>11836346
This is what happened, yeah.
The Stampers were always grifty shitheads, and it bit them in the ass.

Heads need to fucking roll. My family loved rare up through snes era all through the n64. Having Microsoft buy them was like being raped

>>11830386 (OP)
It was bad but Rare was declining fast at the end there I'm not sure they had another great game in them either way.

you now realize the rare logo is a toilet paper roll

>>11836384
>Grow up, you mid-40s manchild.
So is that yeah or nah?

>>11833754
Conker multiplayer is some of the best times I've ever had gaming with friends

>>11836903
I'm so sorry to hear that your entire family is retarded. maybe try to learn to enjoy good games?

>>11836912
holy fuck

>>11836912
at least they knew they were pumping out shit.

>>11834964
>It means that even if Rare goes to absolute shit under their leadership, they can still commission someone like Retro Studios to make a new Banjo or Perfect Dark game.
There's nothing stopping Microsoft from doing that. Apparently they don't think it's worth it

>>11830386 (OP)
Rare fell off in 1999 when the CEO spent ALL the GE/BK profit to build a full motion capture studio just for "high heels walking" for a Perfect Dark cutscene. That's when every respectable developer left

Sorry the halochads bullied you OP. Xbox is good even if you can't separate it from the trauma.

>>11839057
lol that sucks, their first claim to fame was investing in silicon graphics workstations to get renders for DKC and they seemed to try and keep their studio on the cutting-edge of tech. it was destined to fall off, eventually.
not that they didn't have any good ideas for their games to back up their investment in tech, but eventually you're gonna make a dud and daddy nintendo is gonna wipe their balls with your last paycheck and throw you to the wolves. damn you miyamoto!!

>>11836145
>why did microsoft give $350 million or whatever it was? for the fuck of it?
They mistakenly thought they were getting the rights to Donkey Kong.

>>11839140
i thought that was just one exec making a retarded comment to another exec
presumably the office loser who never reads the memos

>>11831516
I like SoT :)
Its filesize is huge and obnoxious, though. But getting a few friends together for a couple hours and really getting into the pirate RP is hella fun, I really can't think of where I can get that sorta thing anywhere else.

>>11839057
I'm going to need a source on this stat, chief.

>>11830401
>I don’t know much about Perfect Dark Zero because I haven’t played it.
lucky you.

>>11830386 (OP)
Donkey Kong Racing would've likely sucked, seeing as devs themselves decided that it couldn't be salvaged (and it featured an awful Donkey Kong redesign).
Perfect Dark Zero sucked.
There's no guarantee that a possible Banjo Threeie wouldn't suck or it would be any better than Nuts & Bolts at all.
There is nothing that Rare could've brought to Nintendo as developers (aside maybe from their handheld division, which made games for GBA/DS anyway).
Now, you can make an argument about Nintendo buying Rare for their IPs and then finding someone to make games based on them, but I highly doubt that it would happen.
Conker would go straight in a trash can after BFD.
Perfect Dark potentially could've been given a chance in Gamecube era, back when they tried to capture "mature" audience with stuff like Geist, but I doubt that they would be able to find a studio competent enough to make a good game in the series.
Banjo potentially could've been salvaged, but you got to think how they struggled even with Donkey Kong, which is their IP. And honestly, Banjo and DK could be similar enough 3D collectathons, so the value of Banjo isn't that high for Nintendo.

>>11830386 (OP)
Was it a precursor to Billy Gates buying up all the US farmland?

>>11830386 (OP)
Rare was never going to survive the 1990s. All the talent that built the company and made the games was spent and on the way out or had been outpaced by technology and changing gamer demands.

>>11833436
Good point. Nintendo happily let Rare die like it was no big deal.

>>11839140
>They mistakenly thought they were getting the rights to Donkey Kong.
even the dumbest of fucking retards in the universe knew nintendo IP was completely off the table. the absolute state

>>11839471
it's not what happened. nintendo couldn't afford to buy rare. any other schizo tales from the land of fantasy?

RAREWARE were never good. Not sure why people glaze them so much.

>>11839494
Check out Donkey Kong Country 2. Amazing game.

>>11839161
Can't remember but it was written up somewhere. Not really all the profit on the motion studio, that was one component of the overall classic hubristic business downfall move: building a brand new building headquarters building "from scratch" instead of expanding their farmhouse a bit

Everyone be like "why don't Nintendo buy Rare and have a DCK laying duck?" Forgetting that Rare made like 6 games after 1999 that HOWEVER much YOU may love them, didn't draw a dime:
GE 8 million --> PD 2 million.
BK 3.5 million --> BT 1.4
JFG 1M and conker not even 1
Imagine these on a graph: Look at that slope, wew that's heading one place, the ground

Not retro, but apparently Microsoft Gaming Studios have been hit by layoffs recently. They cancelled the Perfect Dark project and shut down the studio that was working on it.

https://bsky.app/profile/jasonschreier.bsky.social/post/3lsypjg3yg22e

>>11840843
>Not retro

Then fucking post it on /v/ and stop using us as your fucking soapbox.

>>11839497
shares the same problems of shitty fucking graphics as the other games in the series

>>11840843
Good, fuck them for letting Halo get fucked.

>>11830420
I was under the impression that Nintendo scooped up the good ones before this ever happened.

>>11839475
People at a certain level do not fathom day-to-day or basic facts of their own companies.
WB Animator Chuck Jones used to tell a story about going out to a business dinner with the actual Warner Bros, Jack and Harry Warner, and Jack thought they made the Mickey Mouse cartoons in the studio.
And it wouldn't be the only time a company bought a smaller one thinking they'd get the rights to something they didn't. Todd McFarlane once bought a comic company because he thought he was getting the rights to a character named MiracleMan, only to find out that company never had the rights at all.