Thread 11830870

Why had I never heard about this before? it kicks so much ass. it also feels remarkably ahead of its time

>>11830870 (OP)
fuck off poser, Slopoque is so shit it looks dated compared to even King's Field

>>11830870 (OP)
What's the advantage the Saturn version has over PS1 and PS2?

>>11830886
it's on Saturn so it must be good bro!

>>11830885
what are you talking about. I guess I appreciate the bump
>>11830886
it's prettier than ps1 imo, I saw an article comparing the visuals and they just seem a bit more rushed in ps1, the menacing reds are lost, maybe they were some kinda post processing that they didn't have time to find an alternative to on the ps1 port. the ps2 is a whole other game that imo ruins the aesthetic and apparently also fucks up a very deliberate storytelling with all kinds of fluff, but I've never played it as I just found out either existed this week. I will say the few things I've heard and seen sound/look pretty bad, the atmosphere is lost
apparently the ps2 game is also longer and it gets tedious, I definitely don't think the saturn version needed to be longer, it was kinda sweet as a short game.

>>11830887
it's pretty commonly accepted that the saturn version is the better version, I have no strong allegiance to saturn as I grew up with ps1.

>>11830886
Different mood lighting and shorter play time.

>>11830886
The Saturn version has better colours and atmosphere.

The PSX version has a VERY distractive draw distance because you can see the world build itself by chunks, which doesn't happen like that on Saturn

Otherwise the PSX version has some additions. Clues on how to progress are more evident. There is a new NPC that can store items that you can send during your runs and get back later on (to a limit). Some new gear/item (some of which is fun, other is annoying/detrimental). Finally the PSX version has a 100 floor post game dungeon and for having gone through it let me tell you it is NOT worth it, the thing is designed to waste your time and take away and delete the +99 STR/DEF equipment you've been building me (which is almost mandatory to survive).

>>11830898
ps2 also has a pointless challenge dungeon, turns everyone into a flawless anime character in a game about flaws, does some stupid localization bs + it removes harsh language. the soundtrack is much more generic/less interesting. the story has also been changed overall.
Your description is essentially correct for ps1, the only other real difference is the lighting and one NPC that serves a function that also exists in saturn but doesn't have an npc tied to it.

>>11830906
oh the post game dungeon is in the psx version too? I thought that was just ps2, I honestly hate the idea of that.

PSX version

Forgot to mention that during the main dungeon the PSX version has a few more floors, like 8 or so, but I honestly felt like they were repetitive and unncessary and didn't bring anything new to the table. Some of the post game enemies also make their apperance, they're just palette swapped buffed versions of regular enemies.

Basically I recommend playing Saturn first and then checking it out the PSX version if you want a 2nd playthrough

video of the distracting draw distance on PSX, notice how tiles appear in front first before the sides

I had no idea the Saturn was such a powerful version.

>>11830935
It's the original version, the developers utilized its capabilities better.

>>11830887
unironically this. Saturn had 0 bad games

>>11831467
It helps if you have 0 games

>>11831526
Explain Grandia

>>11832131
JP exclusive, proving my point.

>>11832161
well yeah but so is Baroque

>>11830870 (OP)
People whine about bad remakes all the time but I think if you want an honest to go remake that just completely fucking fails then just look at this game.

>>11830891
I preferred the PS1 version solely because I hate how Saturn handles transparencies.

Baroque nigga alert
Baroque nigga alert

Are there more games like this?

>>11834942
In general gameplay? Yes, there are dozens of mystery dungeon type games (though Baroque is the only one that's first person as far as I'm aware)
Otherwise, Baroque is pretty damn unique, its even pretty unique within the mystery dungeon genre, with the specific way you preserve items and how you can pick up and throw traps and all that.

>>11835003
I meant the vibes. I guess there's plenty of grim jrpgs from that era but they just don't feel as thought out, I think the general concepts at play really resonate

>>11830912
Wow. Who cares. It's not even that bad.

>>11835049
my video isn't very good, I should make another one

>>11834942
Shadow Tower

>>11835049
it lucks like shit retrosnoy, is your screen brightness set to zero or something

>>11830906
I personally had fun doing the extra dungeon on the PSX version, although it's obvious the Saturn version is better as a first experience to me now (at the time I played I think Saturn wasn't translated yet). You don't actually need to bring in any overpowered weapon from the main game you crafted over 50 runs even though it seems like you would have to at first. The first floor is a massive deathtrap for one thing and the rest of the dungeon isn't quite as bad so you should grab the weapon and rush out of it. The early enemies you see drop offensive bones that can oneshot multiples of themselves. So if you carefully kill one of them you can start snowballing by using their drops to kill others, until you have a self-sustaining offense.

>>11835538
>You don't actually need to bring in any overpowered weapon from the main game you crafted over 50 runs even though it seems like you would have to at first. The first floor is a massive deathtrap for one thing and the rest of the dungeon isn't quite as bad so you should grab the weapon and rush out of it. The early enemies you see drop offensive bones that can oneshot multiples of themselves. So if you carefully kill one of them you can start snowballing by using their drops to kill others, until you have a self-sustaining offense.

Yes, you need to survive the first 6 or 7 floors and then you can start grinding to improve atk/def on equipment. With that said the amount of shit that is designed to delete your equipment is just infuriating

>kill new enemy, don't know what they drop
>it immediately drops a pattern that deletes items before you have time to back up
>the sword is gone

>tight corridor
>see pattern on the floor
>NOPE.jpg
>try to find a way around
>can't, gotta go through it to beat the floor
>whelp, here goes, fingers crossed, butthole clenched
>activate the pattern, it's a scatterer
>despite its name it doesn't just scatter items but can also outright DELETE them if it scatters more than there is room for

And there is more where that came from, it's absolutely maddening

>>11835547
For some reason I remember mostly grinding your actual stats rather than stuff on equipment that you could lose, but it's been a few years.

>>11835560
Drops for weapon/armor are a lot more common than drops for native stats so it's the easier route

>>11835575
I remember basically not killing anything and just running through almost all of the back half of the dungeon using supplies I'd hoarded, could that be something we did differently?

>>11830870 (OP)
How is the wii version?

Is there a Saturn emulator which has crt filters? Wondering if there was any because Duckstation does and it makes games look a lot more pretty.

>>11832418
Yeah if you're playing on true pixel then thats a concern, kind of self-induced though

baroque nigga

>>11835686
that's pretty funny

I bought recently the budget release of the ps1 port, the major wave 2500 release, also found a clear file, neat

>>11835761
Also, didn't know it included the cover of the initial release

>>11835613
you mean the switch version? not translated but afaik it's just the saturn version.

>>11836130
They ported the PS2 remake to Wii, its the same game but with 480p support and a more annoying control scheme unless you use a Classic Controller

>>11832418
SSF can do this

But otherwise it's a shitty Saturn emulator compared to Mednafen

If you play thiss game you are brrroke

>>11830870 (OP)
>Why had I never heard about this before?

fan translation came out like 2 years ago and the retro game enthusiast blogosphere talked about it more recently

didn't this get a remake on the wii?

>>11836854
well, ps2 then ported to the wii. the answer is yes, it's complete ass.