Thread 11833948

>play the Inverted Song of Time
>collect 200 rupees in East Clock Town
>Song of Soaring to every temple owl to fill every bottle with fairies
This is the only correct way to begin every cycle.

>>11833948 (OP)
Too autistic

>die fighting Gyorg
>3 hours remaining
>turn in the stray fairies because they were annoying to get
>get double defense
>have to Song of Time
Does the entire Temple reset if you reached the boss but died? I really don't wanna go through GBT again...

I find it humorous how in any other game, you create strategies to clear difficult levels, bosses, etc., and otherwise get better at the game. In MM, you create strategies to maximize the amount of time you get to enjoy the game before it stops letting you have fun.

>>11834025
top lel
gayjora fans on suicide watch

>>11834012
Everything resets, but you keep the dungeon item (obviously) and the map and compass. You can skip a lot of rooms since you already have the ice arrows.

>>11834012
I had to redo the snow temple. I finished it, but dropped the game soon after. Later I learned you can slow time.

>>11834067
I fell down the Snowhead Temple three times this last run, all from accidentally bonking into a wall or edge that sent Goron Link bouncing away from the wall and alllllllll the way down.
That's in addition to when you HAVE to go down to the bottom twice.

>>11834092
Fuck that's some sisyphus shit

>>11834092
For future reference, if you put on the deku mask and burn yourself up in the lava on the bottom floor you'll void out back up to the top where you fell.

>>11833948 (OP)
Why? Money isn't required for most of the game. Don't tell me you actually take damage fast enough to need fairies right away

>>11833948 (OP)
Sound a like a bitch way to play the game.

>>11834025
>In racing games you create strategies to maximize the amount of time you get to enjoy the race track before the game stops letting you have fun
This is how stupid you sound. Doesn't it ever feel retarded to you how often the narrative in games acts like you have a sense of urgency but there is no consequence to fucking around for an infinite amount of time? Of course its fun to fuck around in games but sometimes there should be a sense of urgency. Majora's mask is one of the few games that try to solve this issue. If you want to goof off and explore you can just start another run and slow down time it as restrictive as it feels at first

>>11834187
>sometimes there should be a sense of urgency
It gets old pretty quick and doesn't add more than a time limit. Being able to repeat the cycle takes the edge off, and it becomes tedious.

>>11834187
>Doesn't it ever feel retarded to you how often the narrative in games acts like you have a sense of urgency but there is no consequence to fucking around for an infinite amount of time?
I don't disagree with this in theory. The problem is that MM punishes you with extreme degrees of repetition for failure, and the sense of urgency is never balanced with periods of downtime and freedom. The entire game is a ticking clock, which is antithetical to the themes of exploratiom that the series was built upon. MM itself even betrays its own ideals; if I know the world is ending in three days, why am I worried about going fishing or helping a guy find toilet paper for his poopy butthole? Imagine if in OoT, if you didn't make it out of Ganon's crumbling tower in time, you were forced to replay the entire castle all over again -- I would levy the same complaint.

Comparing MM to racing games is a stupid analogy because A) they're inherently different genres with a different focus, and B) you're comparing "oops, you failed this 2 minute race, better respec your ride and try again" to "oops, your last 4 hours of effort were wasted, now you get to keep one important bauble you found and try again". If you enjoy that shit, then more power to you. To me, that's anti-fun and I'd rather have ample time to enjoy the game's world with occasional moments of urgency than to play a game where urgency is the end all be all.

>>11833948 (OP)
>Majoras Mask thread
>grown ass adults come out of the woodwork to unashamedly admit that they find it yucky and anxiety inducing when faced with the prospect of beating an easy boss 2 whole times.

>>11834206
>>11834218
I've gotten more open to repetition of sequenced events as I've gotten older *IF* the game is high quality enough. I do agree that repeating the entire dungeon is extreme but you do get to keep the dungeon item.
Consider Zelda 1, you really didn't get to hold much progress in the dungeon if you died. Sure you still have your keys, your map, etc but the enemies respawn and the doors get closed up so you have to repeat the challenge.
In the ps1 Tomb Raider you are only allowed to save at explicit points, forcing you to take on challenges in a *sequence
Majora's Mask introduces tactical elements. Your first run is "casing the joint" ;exploring the dungeon, getting the map, compass, magic arrow, its preparation for the final siege.

I'm at the point where if I play a tactics game where I can beat each level in one try then the game is just too easy

>>11834218
>your last 4 hours of effort were wasted
You cant come up with a scenario where you can "waste" 4 hours in majoras mask. If you fail to make it to a boss of a dungeon you dont waste your cycle, you spent that cycle learning and retain the information next time. If you think majoras mask has "extreme degrees of repetition for failure" you are completely braindead.

>>11834245
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Say what you will, but OoT will forever be remembered as a classic adventure game and MM will always bear the title of being its repetitious romhack, and not because I'm the only one who feels that way.

>>11834251
>OoT will forever be remembered as a classic adventure game and MM will always bear the title of being its repetitious romhack
Majora's Mask is regarded as one of the most successful experimental games. It's the underdog, the cult classic. While OoT is the traditional one, the critics darling

>>11834251
>lalalalala I cant hear you my opinion is the only one that matters and its the one everyone has im not the wrong one I cant be wrong because im me!

>>11834257
"Cult classic" is code for "it kind of sucked but a small group of contrarians formed an identity around it anyway".

>>11834267
It's a great game dude, there's absolutely nothing like it. Sorry you can't get past the mechanics

>>11834239
>I've gotten more open to repetition of sequenced events as I've gotten older
I think for me it's been the opposite. Don't like routines in games.

>>11834273
>Sorry you can't get past the mechanics
Me too. It had a lot going for it, and made some objective improvements to OoT's formula. Unfortunately, it squandered it all by forcing the player to develop stockholme syndrome in lieu of never playing it again.

>>11834280
>routines in games
If you like a guitar solo or a certain passage in your favorite song would you skip to the middle in order to enjoy it or would you listen to the whole thing? Experiences are colored by the directedness and ordering of events.
It's like how the reverb of one note casts texture onto the next one and the short-term memory of an event affects the way the next event is processed

>>11834285
All due respect I believe this is an ego thing for you and the quality of the game can never be scathed by your complaints

>>11834297
>it's an "ego thing" that you don't like my favorite game
Well, alright.

>>11834310
I didn't click with FF7 but I don't make threads about it and sit on them all day to pass the time

>>11834315
I didn't make this thread either, whoever did clearly enjoys the game enough to suffer through its eccentricities. I'm not sure what your point is.

>>11834297
>skip to the middle in order to enjoy it or would you listen to the whole thing?
When I'm playing I like to try different things.

>>11834321
Not retro

>>11834319
Oh shit you right
Anyways your resistance to MM is a thing in itself. If you're having fun playing other games then continue. Someday you'll come back and experience this classic unlabored by preconceptions

>>11834326
>Someday you'll come back and experience this classic unlabored by preconceptions
I didn't have any preconceptions the first time. I got the game in 2001 at 10 years old after loving OoT, had the holo cart and all, and ended up spending 90% of my time painfully trying to enjoy what good the game offered only to be harassed by a temporal nanny. To each their own.

>>11833948 (OP)
>taking money out of the bank ever when Takkuri exists
I will never spend my bank rupees

>>11834030
I do it for 'em since I like 'em

>>11834463
for me, it's a hassle depositing it, let alone withdrawing it. the silver rupee in east clocktown is enough for my 3 days, the reat can get scrounged up in the adventure

>>11834067
>Later I learned you can slow time.
The scarecrow that's literally bouncing around visually begging for your attention as you enter the observatory just straight up tells you to play the Song of Time backward to slow time. How do you miss something like that?

>>11834218
>Imagine if in OoT, if you didn't make it out of Ganon's crumbling tower in time, you were forced to replay the entire castle all over again -- I would levy the same complaint.
If you get all the way to the boss, that means you have the dungeon item, the map, and the compass. You don't have to replay the entire dungeon because the dungeon item lets you skip more than half the rooms. All you have to do is beeline to the Big Key and then to the boss room, skipping over finding small keys and fighting minibosses and all that. If you walk into the dungeon with the dungeon item and still go through every room in order from start to finish, you're doing it very wrong. Apply some critical thinking and tactics and you can rush through the dungeon like it's nothing.

>>11834463
I said East Clock Town, not West Clock Town. I'm talking about collecting the 100 rupees in the sewer and the other 100 rupees above the target practice building.

>>11834468
I do the same with Romani and Cremia, they don’t deserve to have their cows stolen from them by those alien bastards, nor their ranch bought by those Gorman sons of bitches.

>>11833948 (OP)

>every cycle

You only need one to beat the entire game.

>>11835197
The game forces you to meet Skull Kid on the third day to get the ocarina before you can get the Song of Healing. You can't even leave Clock Town in a single cycle.

>>11834495
>>11835121
Oh, you're right! That's a good option too

>>11835578
>He can’t leave Clock Town on the first cycle.

>>11833948 (OP)
They ever gonna do comparison videos of MM not from Nipland or Freedom Statue?

>>11835117
>here's how OoT would work if it were MM
uhh
>it's easy bro, you can rush through this dungeon that doesn't exist
uhhh
>implying this wouldn't be tedious and boring just like MM is
good day

>>11836001
>here's how OoT would work if it were MM
This is the part of your premise I'm taking issue with, because what you described is not how MM works. If you get all the way to the boss in any MM dungeon and run out of time, you don't have to replay the entire dungeon from scratch. You can just breeze through straight to the big key and then the boss, skipping 75% of the entire dungeon because you still have the dungeon item that solves everything.

>>11836013
Read what that post was responding to. I think you might be retarded bro.

>>11834267
>I don't like this game so it sucks and the people that like it are wrong
If every person like you was deported to /v/....

>>11836031
>I don't like this game so it sucks and the people that like it are wrong
this but unironically

>>11836025
It's a bad analogy because MM doesn't work that way. You're complaining about how heavy the punishment is for failure in MM, but that analogy about having to replay all of Ganon's Castle if you fail the escape shows that you don't even understand the actual severity of punishment for failure in MM. The analogy completely ignores so many of the progress saving elements in MM, like keeping the map and compass for a dungeon even after you reset, keeping the dungeon item, the dungeons being designed so that you can speed through them in a quarter of the time once you have the dungeon item, etc, etc.

>>11836053
>it's okay if the game makes you play the same sequences over and over if you get to keep some trifles you found along the way bro
Anti-fun faggotry.

>>11836082
>over and over
>not getting good
LMAO

>>11836082
It’s a game for children. You really having THAT much trouble playing it?

I always liked dedicating a whole cycle to beat a dungeon. This gives you more than enough time to find the stray fairies and defeat the boss, specially if you play the inverted song of time.
>>11834025
Literally all you have to do is play the inverted song of time at the beginning of the first day, fag lord

>>11836251
It's a built in challenge modification. Once you beat the game once you can go back in for a no-time-slow run. Gives a nice sense of pressure and makes you think strategically

>>11836251
>all you have to do is play the inverted song of time at the beginning of the first day
Why doesn't the game just go with that speed by default

>>11836269
To make you quit the game and cry about it which causes hipsters to enjoy playing it more out of indirect sadsism

>>11836089
No, I don't, because I don't play it at all.

>>11836297
You're missing out, it's a fun game worth beating.

>>11834451
I just beat MM for the first time and I completely agree. 'temporal nanny', I like that. sucks the joy out of the whole thing. it's not even 'dark and spooky' like the youtube essayists claim it is. pseud game

>>11836548
it's absolutely not

>>11837890
>it's not even 'dark and spooky' like the youtube essayists claim it is.
Melancholic is the word I'd use, personally. It never gets as outright horror game spooky as OOT's well or Shadow Temple, it's more just this pervasive undercurrent of regrets and loneliness and despair.

>>11834463
Not only that, but there are a bunch of easily accessible silver rupee chests in Clock Town and Termina Field. And Dodongos at night in the path to Snowhead drop 50 rupees each. You should never be hurting for money.

>>11837890
Agreed. Although I'm sure it's atmospheric if you play it at a young age.

>>11837925
It actually kind of annoys me how much they overcompensated for resetting you every cycle by making rupees and every consumable as common as fucking water. With how easy it is to max out your rupees and items in 1-2 hours of game time at the beginning of the cycle, they may as well have just not bothered making those things reset. I would have liked to see a version of the game where using the bank and buying consumable items were actually worthwhile/advantageous.

>>11837937
>max out your rupees and items in 1-2 hours of game time at the beginning of the cycle
Playtime padding slop

>>11834218
>MM punishes you with extreme degrees of repetition for failure
bro it's zelda. it's rated E for everyone. why are you failing. lol.

ITT: dunning kreuger zoomers (black and mexican) try to paint their fear of the dark and generalized anxiety disorder as anything other than a crippling mental weakness and skill issue

>>11834451
>harassed by a temporal nanny
you're mentally weak and unfit so nintendo rightfully filtered you.

>>11834218
you're actually a dunning kreuger, you're just too stupid to abstract your reasoning. the exploration you do in space in OoT is done in time in MM. you explore the moments of the three days, progressively learning more and more about what unfolds in the world of termina over those three days. it's like the movie groundhogs day. you have as many chances as you need and losing trivial items that are guaranteed to drop from cut grass is not a "severe punishment" unless you're a socially stunted retard (zoomer). you're a dunning kreuger: you confidently state as truth what those more advanced than you immediately recognize as sophistries invoked by the novice to defend his fragile ego and valorize his meager, though hard-won learnings.

>>11837954
You don't even have to try. Items spawn from bushes and pots based on what you're low on, with a few exceptions for some pre-programmed pots and bushes, so what really happens is that the moment you go out and start cutting down bushes and breaking pots you end up with 30+ arrows and 30+ bombs and everything else in a matter of minutes without even trying. Rupees spawn constantly, there are chests full of rupees around every corner, and it's not uncommon for a single enemy to drop 10-30 rupees on death. You don't have to go out of your way, it just happens, so why even bother resetting your rupees, arrows, bombs, etc if the game will just fill them right back up for no effort anyway?

>>11837992
>>11837954
Also, you do know that 1-2 hours of game time is 1-2 minutes of real world time, right? 1-2 minutes of "padding" for every 1-2 hours of gameplay is nothing.

Why is she such a little cunt, bros? What did I ever do to her?

>>11838359
it's part of the story, link meets this cunt bitch and doubles down on wanting navi back

>>11834221
>video game thread
>people discussing it don't all share my opinion, hence discussion

>>11837965
>>11837974
anon watched a video essay and learned her new favorite term lol
you're using it wrong btw

>>11837898
yes that's a more charitable take. maybe I'm being too harsh on it. it's just amusing when you see sentences like "the existential DREAD of MM''.

>>11838706
no i didn't, and no i'm not. (You) learned a little bit about reddit consensus and think you're going to come here and impress /vr/gins with it, but we immediately recognize it as infantile cope. that's dunning kreuger - we see you at the first peak of knowledge from the vantage point of the second, which you can't even glimpse because you're too dumb.

>>11839871
that's a lot of projection for a post that said you're using a term wrong
which you still are

>>11839871
You can't even spell Dunning-Kruger right.

>>11839871
if you think there's a "second peak" on the Dunning-Kruger curve which is much higher than the first, you do not understand the Dunning-Kruger effect. In fact, ironically, you are modeling the early stage of it right now.

>>11834218
>MM itself even betrays its own ideals; if I know the world is ending in three days, why am I worried about going fishing or helping a guy find toilet paper for his poopy butthole?
kek, good point actually. story wise it makes no real sense but the truth is that majora is an OoT romhack shat out in 18 months and they just needed content, story coherency be damned. i guess you could levy the same complaint against OoT's child sequence but at least it's somewhat forgivable because there's no actual clock working against you, and once link becomes an adult, the world is already over so why the fuck wouldn't he take some time to go fishing or beat off on talon's bed

>>11839913
>>11839942
here you go lil bro, be sure to study up before coming to class next time

>>11839997
you both are retarded. first of all there is no fishing in majora's mask, second of all link knows he can turn back time at the end of every cycle, so why not enjoy the games in clocktown?
"MM betrays its own ideals" just sounds like pseude-speak

>>11839945
ouchies bro. this post is a whoopsie. see here for reference and feel free to delete your post: >>11840004

>>11840005
>he can turn back time at the end of every cycle, so why not enjoy the games in clocktown?
So there's no urgency, just a timelimit gimmick

>>11840004
Your image spells it "Dunning-Kruger," too. Not sure how you think you owned me when your own image literally proves that you've been spelling it wrong all this time just like I said.

>>11840015
and a damn good one, lil bro

>>11840015
different things occur at different times throughout the three days, the point of the game is to find all those occurrences and figure out what link can do to help. it's not a time limit but a fixed duration you're free to explore and view from different angles. "muh time limit" is first peak of dunning kreuger: you think you've learnt a little something about le games criticism, you feel confident in your ability to identify the game's failure to provide a certain kind of experience that fellates your refined inner sense of whether you've been entertained or not. but what you're actually doing (and it's obvious to anyone who knows just a little bit more than you do) is projecting your own anxiety as a game flaw and trying to use terms of art to cover that up. you're mentally retarded, unfit for cognitive tasks, and for these reasons you've been justly filtered and sorted by nintendo's high masonic 1990s game design techniques.

>they cant spatialize their experience of time
>they can't visualize an apple
>they can't abstract, they can't think, they can't play retro games

>>11840026
Sure seems like projection

>muh time limit
>muh 4 dungeons
>muh sidequests
I'm gonna be honest, I just don't like MM because the whole game looks stupid as fuck. I don't like playing as diaperbaby Link the entire time, I don't like that the inventory is filled with vaguely gay looking headwear, the world is a retarded mish mash of incoherent shit, and the transformations are derpy. Like come on bro, what the fuck is this lol.

>>11840034
>>11840036
It's like none of you ever made a memory palace. How is it a time limit if you're free to revisit as many times as needed? It's no different than the concept of a "life" in Mario. I mean what kind of automaton do you have to reduce yourself to before you start to get anxious about the "time limit" you've imagined exists in majora's mask. It's just severely giving wage cage and nobody with the leisure required to afford this hobby can take you seriously.

>>11840041
Did you even read what I said >>11840036 here
before dilating? I don't give a fuck about the time limit or anything else, I just hate the way the game looks and that's enough to ruin it for me.

>>11840046
you said nothing except "i didn't play the game" and nobody cares.

>>11840034
projection? projecting what, exactly? my experience of the game as a possibility for you? you're right, i'm "projecting" that. i'm "projecting" that it's possible for you to stop being retarded and recognize that the "time limit" is no different than the idea of a "level" or having "lives" in any other game. for example. in a sidescrolling platformer there might be a difficult jump over a bottomless pit to get a secret item. if you want to practice that jump so you can get good at it, you'll have to navigate the preceding parts of the level first.
in MM things happen on day 3 that require you to somehow navigate through day 1 and 2 to get up to them. then you can practice how to get them just right. it's a game, and that's one of the fun things you can do in it.

>>11840047
But I did, in 2000, and you cared enough to reply. You cared so much that you couldn't even bother to read what you were responding to before having a painful anal orgasm.

>>11840049
Perv

>>11840046
>before dilating
>>11840049
>before having a painful anal orgasm
i think we've established who does the projecting around here

>>11840049
then you're a sad wasted cuckshell of a man if you refuse to play because "ew i don't wanna play as gay baby link, ew masks, ew everything the whole game is weird just ew! ew!"
like i said, your insight is completely worthless. like entering a katamari thread and saying "yeah nevermind all the novelty or anything, this game is suck because it looks gay."
you're quite simply retarded and your surface-level opinion of a game you played 2 decades ago matters to nobody. grow up.

>>11840058
I never said you were projecting, I said the game looks gay. 4chan is not one person bro.

>>11840064
>like entering a katamari thread and saying "yeah nevermind all the novelty or anything, this game is suck because it looks gay."
To be fair I would also call katamari very gay, yes

>>11840026
>dunning kreuger
*Dunning-Kruger

Majora Labia fans are very sensitive, please understand.

there was a time when games would have pointless areas, minigames, npcs who do nothing but comment pleasantly on somesuch, secret rewards without hint or indication, nooks and crannies for the imagination to fill. you were expected to spend weeks, months with one or two carts or cds, and to pore over every bit in search of not entertainment but wonderment. you were expected to revisit, explore, and make a kind of memory palace, using your mind as a wedge to carve out a little home for yourself in a virtual world you've mapped out to completion.

if you want some insight youtube essayists won't share, it's this: majora's mask is really the twilight and funeral pyre of this kind of game design. it was supposed to capture that idea of exploration and spread it out over three short days with a bundle of story threads to follow up on and perfect, to transform the idea of a collectible bauble you find on top of a tall inaccessible cliff into that of a special, fleeting moment shared among treasured friends, a few snatches of conversation nestled in a spare hour between appointments. to induct children accustomed only to play into the management of one's affairs and the ways of life.

but it only served to prove that most players were already well on their way to becoming caged servants, frightened of their own shadow once the stasis of childlike space is thrown into the flux and flow of age and time. because time, for them, schooled not in the leisurely passage of the afternoon but in the rigors and demands of the morning schedule, is an oppressor.

>>11840041
>memory palace
>>11840086
>memory palace
Why do you keep using this gay term from that BBC Sherlock show?

>>11840086
that's a really long way of saying MM has a bunch of fuck all meaningless content to pad out the experience. everything you're sucking the game off for can be applied to open world tripe like skyrim and BotW.

also emerson was one of the biggest pseuds of the 19th century and had a closeted gay affair, by the way.

>>11840090
because that's what MM is

>>11840094
thanks for supplying the programmed response anticipated in and seeded by the post you're replying to.

>>11840096
>tfw that essay was a secret subliminal message to make me recall that ralph waldo emerson loved penis
fair enough, you got me.

>>11840086
their stupidity is feral at this point. i don't know why anyone who come to this board if they don't know how to get immersed in a game, rather than treating it as a tedious checklist, like some entry on a backlog.

>>11840095
MM is a fake and gay pretentious pseudointellectual made up bullshit by Steven Moffat?

>>11840105
it's a test of your cognitive abilities which you failed. fortunately for you, you're free to try it again until you finally fucking grow up.

>>11840105
It's a metaphor, man. Open your heart.

>>11840106
You're a pretentious twat who thinks parroting buzzwords from a TV show makes you sound smart.

>>11840110
i don't need to sound smart, i simply am smart and won't be bullied by retards on this forum into thinking that what i know isn't true and that what i have fun with isn't fun. instead i'll simply acknowledge that there's different kinds of people, who contribute value to different parts of our world, and that their responses to MM's gameplay concepts is a good indicator of where they belong, where they can contribute the most, and where they would be happiest.

>>11840007
I see a second peak that is not higher than the first.
ouchies bro. this post is a whoopsie. feel free to delete your post.

>>11840121
y axis measures expressed confidence. and for the purposes of what, to be clear, is a METAPHOR, it doesn't matter if the peak is higher or not i can still see one from the other. i shared an image of a valley so can try to visualize it. in the example you can see that the left peak is taller than the right, but, you could still see the left peak if you were standing on the right.

OoT is the game that the chad older brother bought with his paycheck from his summer lifeguarding job, then went to college and had sex. MM is the game that the virgin younger brother got for his birthday one year after it was already on clearance and formed an identity around it before becoming addicted to yaoi.

>>11840129
>oot is the life i wish i had (wearing tights as an adult man while hanging out with my fairy friends by the pool)
>mm is the life i got (living in fear of the encroaching passage of time)

>>11840094
>a bunch of fuck all meaningless content to pad out the experience
what's the difference between a pointless but hard-to-see npc interaction, and an additional 50 gold skulltulas with no actionable gameplay reward? one is actually rewarding.

>>11836263
I did this. It was fun.

>>11836269
>why can't i consoom the standardized slop
Please, anon.

>>11834092
How about you git gud, clown.

>>11836263
one thing i find cool about MM is that some of the moonchildren dialog suggests this sort of rougelite re-appreciation of termina. i'm thinking of some of the special lines the majora child says, depending on if you have the deity mask or not. if i recall correctly, there's a specific dialog you get if you bring him all 24 masks on your first ever trip to the moon on that file. i don't have the game to hand at the moment and recall exactly what was said, but it left me with this impression, that majora child is challenging you to do "perfect 3 days"

>>11840129
Accurate

>>11836269
>Why doesn't the game just go with that speed by default
because sometimes you might not want to wait that long for something
>>11836276
but also unironically this, part of my thesis is nintendo deliberately designed it this way to weed people according to their reaction to the notion of a fixed duration.

>>11840162
expanding on this a bit, there's other things, like the gossip stones that provide speculatively worded hints about where the missing masks are - "it seems so and so was looking for the kafei mask" and things like that. it's like the moon world and its four mini dungeons are a kind of compilation of termina, which provides you with a miniaturized atlas of the game - four dungeons for mastery of transformation mask skills and a scattered legend of all the other masks.

>>11834218
Lost me at "extreme". Face it, anon. You have deep-seated anxiety and you suck at Zelda. The only way you're going to enjoy MM is by conquering your own inner demons.

>>11840179
>The only way you're going to enjoy MM is by conquering your own inner demons.
which is what MM is all about. "A deep and personal journey."

>>11839997
You both are retarded. Link knows he's going to save the day and prevent the world from ending, so he can do whatever he wants. It so happens that he wants to increase happiness for all the denizens of the land.

>>11837898
I love despair.

>>11833948 (OP)
God this game is shit and it's no surprise no other Zelda has tried this formula ever again

>>11840162
>"perfect 3 days"
Is that even possible without speedtranny shit? First forced loop aside, can the game be beaten in a single 3 day cycle starting from nothing?

>>11840114
Nta, but smart people don't use intellectual buzzwords. They use plain-speak so that a literal child can understand them.

>>11840179
>conquering your own inner demons
>>11840181

>Swamp Temple
>Deku form - short
>defeats a tall swordsman
>>link conquers the his fear of being small, the rift in his life from knowing how tall he'll be when he's older but that world is revoked from him at the same time

>Mountain temple
>Goron form - Old
>defeats a mechanical unstoppable beast
>>link conquers the onward march of time by realizing it's a relentlessly flat circle

>Ocean temple
>Zora form - frail/drowned
>defeats a giant fish demon in and out of water
>>link conquers his shitty water movement (still working this one out)

>Stone Tower Temple
>Link form - Young
>defeats twin kaiju worms
>>link conquers his fear that he'll never grow up by becoming gigantic

>>11840192
I'm not going to be bullied into accepting your anti-intellectualism. The irony is that children, smart children, do understand what I'm talking about, because they still know how to use their imaginations. And more, if "memory palace" and "dunning kreuger" strike you as fancy intellectual buzzwords, then I'm afraid I have bad news for you about the company you keep.

>>11840192
some people don't feel like dumbing down their thoughts for you, anon. especially when most people's plain-speak consists of slurs and anti-intellectual buzzwords like cope and sneed.

>>11840198
>dunning kreuger
*Dunning-Kruger

>>he tried to get my attention about the spelling again
stop pulling on daddy's shirt he's busy

>>11840036
It's funny. A person that grew up on slop wouldn't like real food, yet real food is objectively better tasting and better for you. It's because their palette is underdeveloped or even nonexistent. That person is you.

>>11840205
Spell it correctly and I won't have to call it out.

>>11840026
>the girl on the left with that chad jaw line
They don't make 'em like they used to.

>>11840190
i don't think you can beat all four dungeons from scratch inside three days in normal item-gated gameplay, but with skips and wrong warps it might be doable.
i'm just saying that, for example, having the hookshot already, you can design your own route through the dungeon that involves you in more or less of solving its puzzles. you can decide what tasks are more or less important and design your own perfect 3 day route.

>>11840195
Cringe midwittery

>>11840198
>>11840201
Being offended by that simple, unaccusatory observation shows you aren't half as smart as you think you are.

>>11840223
and you're about a quarter

>>11840209
>call it out
>>11840223
>offended
>>11840192
>plain-speak so that a literal child can understand
>>11840219
>Cringe

This is you. This is what I think you look like. I don't care if you aren't the same person. This is who you're all channeling with these feeble attempts at bullying others to your point of view. You're a fat woman in an office job trying to bully others into ignoring her flaws at their expense.

>>11840225
The best I can do is a nickel.

>>11840225
I'll take your concession, implicating you as incorrect on your assessment of my intelligence compared to yours.

>>11840230
That is quite the projection, anon.

>>11840252
Whatever you say dear. Trannycession accepted.

>>11840262
finally, someone using some normal-speak around here!

>>11840086
>>11840104
>>11840148
>>11840150
>>11840153
>>11840179
>>11840182
>>11840201
>>11840208

don't lose hope, /vr/. there's still real gamers out there. be the change you want to see. carry the torch. if you post it, they will reply

The worst Majora's Mask temple (Woodfall) is better than the best Ocarina of Time temple (Spirit). If you disagree you are not only wrong, but you shouldn't be playing video games in the first place.

>>11840272
What's wrong with Woodfall?

>>11840273
It's the most bland out of the 4 temples, I still like it though.

>>11840273
He's being edgy by saying it's bad (worst), but still good (better than). It's like saying vanilla is the worst ice cream. It's a stupid way to describe something like that, but it gets people all miffed, so they wanna argue (edgy).

>>11840272
>>11840294
Stone Tower is the worst MM temple by far. It's actually torture to play through.

>>11840303
worst doesn't necessarily mean bad. that's the point of his post, it's his opinion that all of majora's temples are better than the best of ocarina's.
a radical opinion, to be sure. personally i think forest temple poops on stone tower, because i dislike stone tower.

>>11840127
your exact words in >>11839871
>we see you at the first peak of knowledge from the vantage point of the second, which you can't even glimpse
thereby making it clearer that the second peak is much higher than the first in your metaphor, because you don't know what you're talking about.
ouchies bro. this post is a whoopsie. feel free to delete your post.

>>11840350
it doesn't make that clear at all, there's no height comparison literal or implied whatsoever. "can't glimpse" doesn't automatically imply "because it's too tall to see it"

but none of this even matters because we're arguing over your overly literal misreading of a metaphor about a phenomenon wherein people at the first "peak" (quotation marks to indicate we aren't literally talking about mountain elevation) aren't aware of the second "peak" (again quotation marks to indicate we're using a metaphor) while people at the second "peak" (etc.) look back on their experiences from the prior stations of their intellectual journey with a whimsy at times bordering on the sardonic.

>>11840350
Oh man, oh brother. You're really retarded.

>>11840367
>"can't glimpse" doesn't automatically imply "because it's too tall to see it"
it either implies that, or it confirms that you're completely retarded
>>11840371
obvious samefag is obvious

>>11840374
>it either implies that, or it confirms that you're completely retarded
This is a miss, bro. You're not doing anything. You're actually just wrong. Stop replying to him.

>>11840374
lol, and lmao as well.

>>11840381
quit samefagging, schmootz, you're not fooling anyone

>>11840385
lol neither are you with bangers like this:
>it either implies that, or it confirms that you're completely retarded
like what are you even trying to say. like even had i accidentally implied a height difference (i didn't) it wouldn't matter because

>>11840127
>y axis measures expressed confidence

so what are you trying to bully me with here exactly? that i mistakenly assumed that smarter people express the same level of confidence as dumber people? when in fact it's, i guess, like, slightly less? what are you even trying to assert i don't understand about it?

like bro i gave you an example. like you could have studied the example and realized that not only are you wrong but even if you were right it doesn't mean anything about what any one is talking about.

>>11840393
>how does the fact that I dont know what im talking about mean i dont know what im talking about?
lmfao holy fuck what a schmootz

>>11840396
come on, explain your thesis.

>>11839945
>if you think there's a "second peak" on the Dunning-Kruger curve which is much higher than the first
but i don't think that. lol.

>>11840408
this is getting pretty sad, schmootz.

>>11840432
the repeated btfo of your poor reading comp? ya i know. real tragedy.

>>11840456
>n-no u
lmfao. schmootz

>>11840483
>>n-no u
you're only quoting yourself, see here: >>11840396

>>11840004
>second peak is lower than the first
oof

>>11840317
Anon. The point of his post is to try and get people to argue with him.

>>11840306
Why?

>>11840624
you still haven't disagreed with me that forest temple is based as fuck though, where's my discussion? you're lost in the particulars, with your ear stuck to the ground!

>>11840626
The fucking SONG.

>>11840609
>still cant read a graph

>>11834187
>In racing games you create strategies to minimize the amount of time you get to enjoy the race track
Ftfy kek

>>11834239
>an old as fuck NES game made you repeat shit, that means it's good game design to do the exact same shit two console gens later

>>11837898
>pervasive undercurrent of regrets and loneliness and despair.
Telltale signs it was made by working class nips

>>11833948 (OP)
I don't play games with time limits
C.aptcha: AMOGU

>>11840632
It's hard for me to say one is "better" than the other, mate. I like them all, but they're all so different. I don't really see them in comoetition with one another. I'll say I didn't appreciate the swamp as a kid, but as an adult I love that place. Odwalla is an awesome fight, too. Forest Temple just strikes so many kino chords, it's hard to not like it.

>>11840641
You only play that song a lot on the way up. Once you make it to the owl statue at the top, you only gotta play the song a few more times.

>>11841034
MM doesn't have a time limit, it has three days which you can think of as "levels" united by the "hub world" which is the passage of time. you are free to return to the first "level" as many times as you like, just like any other video game.