Thread 11834020

>buy this second-hand
>afraid to update firmware because the creator wants to brick any second-hand PSIOs
>can't change games in SD card because the proprietary program needed to format a PSIO card is some Python files I have to fucking compile
>even when I compiled it, it doesn't format multidisc games correctly and some disc images won't launch at all
Did that custom firmware ever get released?
I really hate this fucking thing but I don't have another solution for playing PS1 games on original hardware without paying $100 per scratch CD case on ebay.

>>11834020 (OP)
Just get a PS2 and run your PS1 games on that. It's original hardware - a PS1 is actually built into the PS2.

>>11834031
PS2 renders dithering incorrectly for PS1 games and loads them too fast.

>>11834020 (OP)
Get an Xstation

>>11834094
This, just sell that PSIO and get an actual good ODE.

>>11834020 (OP)
You should invested on the Xstation instead

>>11834020 (OP)
Hey check this out:

>>11834020 (OP)
Why did you buy a thing that's known to be a complete and total piece of shit that can't be used in current year?

>>11834020 (OP)
>>buy this second-hand
Buying a PS-IO was your first mistake
Buying it second hand was your second one

>afraid to update firmware because the creator wants to brick any second-hand PSIOs
The creator wants to brick any bootleg/clone PS-IOs, not second hand ones. Oh, and also dox you (He used to have a page doxing people who cloned them) and even steal it if he somehow gets his hands on it (He just kept ones that were sent to him that turned out to be bootlegs and told the person who sent it screw you)

For secondhand ones he wants to double-dip and make you pay for any future upgrades. The firmware hasn't been updated since last year though (after no updated for several years) and I doubt it ever will be again. He had a meltdown over delaying the update for years and banning people who ask too many questions to load it with (even more) DRM to fight the cloners he was obsessed about, saying he will stop updating it at all if it's ever hacked again, and the latest DRM-filled update was hacked again in less than a month.

>>can't change games in SD card because the proprietary program needed to format a PSIO card is some Python files I have to fucking compile
What? No, it uses standard a standard FAT32/exFAT filesystem for the SDcard and BIN/CUE for the disk format, about as standard as you can get. If you have a game that uses CD track audio though (Most PS1 games did not) you will have to merge the tracks into a single bin file and generate CU2 file or the game will work but the tracks will not play. The python app is a third party tool someone made to automate this, their official tool to do it is an EXE file, though if you have a lot of games to convert the pythun tool is easier.

>>even when I compiled it, it doesn't format multidisc games correctly and some disc images won't launch at all
It's for games with multiple TRACKS, not multiple DISKS. You don't need to do anything for multi-disk games other than keep all of their files in the same folder.

>>11834334

>>11834020 (OP)
>Did that custom firmware ever get released?
No, he threatened and even hired people to harass them to kill both of those projects, this was in the middle of the years-long delay on the firmware update mind you. Matt could not possibly be a bigger dick.

>>11834031
PS2 is only partial PS1 hardware, does not have 100% compatibility, and even with many games ti is compatible with has issues. It's not like running GC games on a Wii or GB/GBC games on a GBA.

>>11834094
As someone with a PS-IO and hates it when ODEs require removing the disk drive... this. The PS-IO is shit and the creator is a massive egotistical dick that constantly spites his own customers just to try to uselessly flail at the massive bootleg industry in China.

>>11834173
Yeah, sure, let's just burn hundreds of disks that may be shit quality to use on 30+ year old disk drives. Even with blank disks you eventually end up paying more if you have enough games, but you don't get all of the benefits an ODE gives you over using disks. This is like that person who argued to get a cheaper SNES Everdrive that doesn't support special chips and then buy all the games that use special chips.

>>11834334
Wait, my mistake, you do need to do something for multi-disk games. It's just a text file that lists the bin files though, and the program can automate this.

>>11834335
What if you just burned the discs and played the games instead of making up this fake scenario where you have to burn 4,000 discs to get any enjoyment out of it?

>>11834384
>Mention a few hundred
>Not even an unrealistic scenario, have over 100 retail PS2 games alone from back when the PS2 was still current
>And that's games I was able to get while in college that were not rare hyper-inflated-in-price unicorns for even back then
>And now with modern emulation/mods those are not unrealistic to finally get either
>Never mentioned even close to a thousand
>"OMG U WANT TO BURN THOUSANDZZZ OF GAMES AND NEVER PLAY THEM!"
If you have to resort to extreme strawmen then you don't even have an argument

>>11834410
>mention a few hundred
Just emulate you sperg

>>11834036
so fucking what

>>11834335
>Yeah, sure, let's just burn hundreds of disks t
Don't do that, dumbass. Burn a few games you want to play after you've tested them in an emulator.

>>11834439
I play more than just a few games. What, you think I am just downloading a torrent of every PS1 game and then trying to burn it?

>>11834031
Well, sort of. If you get a slim PS2 it's not but it's still good enough.

>>11834031
Also there isn't a good way to load PS1 games from storage on a PS2 because of how the PS2 delegates I/O.

>>11834031
And how do you plan on doing that? Mechapwn? The entire point of the PSIO is you don't have to burn discs.

Y-you don't think you're using that "original PS1 hardware" when you're playing PS1 games off the hdd, right? You realize that's using the world's shittiest PS1 emulator, right?

>>11834020 (OP)
>i bought the shiddiest shit the world has ever seen and am now paying the faggy price
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN??!?!?!?

>>11834410
Oh, well now that you posted like a retard you’re clearly in the right.

>>11834410
not that anon but burning cdr is ALWAYS the better solution
eggs in one basket < eggs in millions of different baskets
one cdr fails you redownload\reburn
one hdd fails you wasted all of your precious earth-human time for FUCKING NOTHING.

my professional advise is to do both
but get an EXTERNAL DVD BURNER
it WILL fail kek
i shidded on mine burning around 300 ps2 disks kek

>>11834614
>just burn hundreds of games bro
Physicalcucks are insane

>>11834879
>just pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to buy old shit covered plastic bro
>there's something wrong with it? just buy proprietary tools to open it up, then learn how to solder and shit brl
>you're tired of the slow loading times? just hack it and install an ODE bro
>you can't afford some of the games you want to play? just burn discs bro
>you want to play online? just get friends and play LAN bro
>ahh... that's it, now you've got it. enjoy your favorite game at a blistering 17 FPS where you use face buttons to strafe and the left analog stick to look up and down (sorry about the inverted aim you can't change because the devs never added an option for it). at least you're getting the authentic experience bro.
emulation is pearls before swine. it just goes to show you that you can give a man the world and he still won't be happy.

>>11834879
If you’re really going to put hours into hundreds of PlayStation games then your life must be sadly empty.

>>11834921
Resorting to "You probably play video games like some kind of loser" on the video games board is the absolute last bastion of discussion, at this point just turn off the computer, you lost.

>>11834892
If emulation is so good why aren't you playing the games right now?

>>11834947
i hope you're trolling, otherwise this is quite possibly the lowest IQ, least self aware post i have ever seen

>>11834950
Oh, sorry. I should write paragraphs boasting about my ability to click on PCSX.exe, or maybe waste my evening burning DVDs like all the high IQ chaderinos here!

>>11834959
>heh, you're calling me a faggot on 4thchin instead of emulating PS2 games? looks like emulation sucks then chud, heh
i guess playing games on "real hardware" sucks too, since you're here playing damage control instead of booting up the gaycube to play your favorite weegee-like
>I should write paragraphs boasting about my ability to click on PCSX.exe
i don't think being able to click on an icon is makes somebody smarter for playing the same games as you with better graphics and controls for free, bro
>or maybe waste my evening burning DVDs like all the high IQ chaderinos here!
but the dudes burning discs are playing them on original hardware...

>>11834384
lol this

>>11834410
Shut up.

>>11834438
OP wants to play their PS1 games on the correct hardware, you dunce.

I got an xstation clone for $51 shipped on AliExpress the other day. Got a broken SCPH-5501 for $22 shipped. At those prices, not worth messing with PSIO.

>>11834020 (OP)
>PSIO
You could have saved yourself the trouble and buy a PS3, hack it and download all the PS1 games you ever wanted on a 1TB hard drive. Or do what I did and download Duckstation and play all the PS1 games you ever wanted, as well as adding HD textures and any codes you want.

>>11834173
>CD-R's
No thanks. I rather go all digital than have a bunch of ugly CD-R's written with permanent marker to identify the games I burned. Not to mention it takes forever to burn games on a disc.

>>11834334
As nice as that orange one looks, I rather have my Gameshark on the back of my PS1.

>>11835141
I might get that for my PS1.

>>11834932
You are not going to play literally hundreds of PlayStation games in a short enough period of time for your autistic concern to matter. If you actually want to play video games then play video games, your neurosis about this stupid device is dumb as hell.

>>11834169
This, or a MisTer

>>11834614
>not that anon but burning cdr is ALWAYS the better solution
There are so many things wrong with that statement I don't even know where to begin

>one hdd fails you wasted all of your precious earth-human time for FUCKING NOTHING.
First of all who uses a HDD for an ODE? Most don't even have a SATA port and only support MicroSD and/or USB. Second unless you are obsessed with trending a disk-based console's entire library for some reason (Have fun with those hundreds of 30 year old copies of Madden, Fifa, etc) even uncompressed they would take up so little space that you can easily back them up to your PC or a cheap USB/SD card. Why would you even have "all your eggs in one basket" as you put it? I am assuming you would not be directly downloading them to the SD card in your ODE so they would at least also exist on your PC, and chances of your PC's drive and SD card dying at the same time are slim.

I have over 500 PS1 games (Counting duplicates due to fan translations) and they all take up under 300GB. A 512GB MicroSD card is $35-40, name-brand ones.

And that's as uncompressed BIN/CUE, compressed to CHD they take up closer to 150GB. 256GB MicroSD cards are around $20.

You would have to be a fucking idiot to have all your PS1 games exist in a single location when they take up that little space, and I am an extreme example, I am betting most people don't even have 100 PS1 games downloaded, or at most less than 200 unless again, they are wasting terabytes of space for a full set for some insane reason.

>i shidded on mine burning around 300 ps2 disks kek
So you can't even burn properly, great person to be taking advice from. The number of disks I burned on old internal burners likely hit the quadruple digits, and they were still working fine other than one that got killed due to Starforce's bullshit.

>>11834932
Pretty much, it's a desperate reach to try to keep an argument going when you have nothing else left to argue.

>>11835225
>PS3
Just use PC emulation or even a Pi at that point. The PS3 contained no PS1 hardware and was pure software emulation, shitty software emulation that is nearly 20 years old by now.

>written with permanent marker
I used printable disks to at least somewhat replicate the original label but I agree why bother burning disks at all these days

>As nice as that orange one looks, I rather have my Gameshark on the back of my PS1.
That's a clone anyway, I would not recommend it. I don't recommend a PS-IO in general but if you really need to keep that disk drive while also having an ODE then definitely don't bother with a cloned PS-IO. Cheapest clone PS-IO I can find is $75, and those are the old version before the recent massive firmware update that fixed a lot of shit, newer ones seem to be over $100, a real PS-IO is $150. Maybe if the clones were $50 or less.

>>11835258
>You are not going to play literally hundreds of PlayStation games
Sounds like a (You) problem

>>11835316
>This, or a MisTer
At this point I am probably just going to stick with my MiSTer instead of my PSIO. Now if only I could find a decent SNAC adapter that supports two controllers and memory cards without either costing a fortune or being some ugly oddly shaped PCB that points up and backwards.

>>11835141
how well does it work? I also got a 55xx model afaik, need to check at home. I'm sick and tired of burning CD-Rs that may or may not work, although I think the laser is slowly crapping out and if that's the case, I'd like to only use original games with it.

OP here, I'm not burning any discs you degenerates. It's not the 90s/00s anymore...

Xstation was only announced AFTER I had already purchased and installed my PSIO a few months prior.

>>11835571
By second hand, do you mean used, or that you bought it from some reseller like StoneAgeGamer? If a reseller you should be able to contact them to get ownership transferred, if used then you have to pay them a fee to do it and get official updates for it.

A lot of you clearly like buying crap more than you like actually playing games, and it shows.

>>11834036
i legit cannot tell the difference. what is supposed to be wrong with the ps2 part of that video?

>>11835620
Silent Hill famously used heavy fog to cover up the pop-in needed to render the game's town, and PS2's incorrect and inaccurate PS1 rendering/emulation results in the pop-in being visible through the fog which completely ruins the effect of this fading in through the fog and exposes the polygons loading into view suddenly.

I'm kinda shocked you don't see it...

>>11835592
I bought a pre-modded PSIO PS1 for like $100 off ebay and he gave me the codes and stuff. I updated it a single time then never tried again due to all the reports of what you say: lawsuits and forcing me to pay twice.

>>11835668
As long as it's not a bootleg you can get updates for it, not sure how they would deal with ownership if you have all that info, I think you would still need to pay for the transfer of ownership.

I am highly skeptical that it's real though, the PS-IO is $125 new, and even bootlegs cost $80-100, $100 for a pre-modded PS1 with a PS-IO sounds suspiciously cheap. Do you know if yours is legit or a bootleg? Though I am not sure if bootlegs existed yet if you bought it before even the XStation was a thing.

>>11835674
If it's real or not, except for incompatibility of some games (probably due to not updating the firmware in several years) it runs things fine and the PS1 is a real PS1 that plays my PS1 disc games.
I think the person just didn't want it.

>>11834020 (OP)
You can update both legit and chinese copies of PSIO with CFW: https://4pda.to/forum/index.php?showtopic=1053197
I’ve updated mine successfully.
Though I hate the fucking thing and have since ordered a 55xx and an xstation clone.

>>11835682
The older firmware had a lot of things broken with it, it's years of repressed updates that finally got rolled out in 2024.

>>11835703
Not sure it would be a good idea to install CFW on an official PS-IO. The creators said it can be detected if you ever go back to official firmware and Matt is definitely the kind of person that I would not trust that he didn't hide bricking code in updates if it detects you fucked with it. You would be reliant on people caring to hack future updates if you ever install CFW.

Are the chinese ones any good or are you better off getting an OG one and installing CFW?

>>11835748
No idea but unless you can get one for considerably cheap it's not worth it, the price of a bootleg is barely cheaper than a real one.

Does xstation let you backup saves? I've had everything I need to "get my PS1 going" for over a year and all I'm missing is a memory card. I see those memcard pro things are popular, but I don't want to waste money if you can just get a big oem memory card and rarely backup when full

>>11835759
>a big oem memory card
PS1 memcards didn't work that way. You had 15 "slots", that's it. Each save takes up at least one slot, you can never have more than 15 saves per card regardless of how big a chip you use.

And that's all OEM cards did, there were third party multi-cards that switched banks of slots, but those were notoriously unreliable, not to mention very not worth it in 2025.

PS2 cards operated on simply how much of it's 8MB of space you used and let you save as many games as you wanted as long as there was enough free space with no slots nonsense, but they also never officially came in larger sizes so compatibility with a 3rd party card that tries to have more space is not guaranteed.

>>11835759
Get a memory card that uses sd cards if you don't wanna worry about space.
>>11835781
My old 4MB Blaze memory card still works fine.

Does anyone here have the Lite Menu firmware update or any of the other firmwares?

>>11835563
I haven't installed yet. Not expecting any issues from comments I've seen. get yourself a cheap spare ps1 with a dead laser on eBay because xstation deletes the disc assembly entirely.

>>11835225
You just have to give them a little bit of soul

>>11836058
The LiteMenu guy quit due to Matt getting people to harass him, same with the other CFW dev.

>>11836253
holy soul & comfy

>>11835517
1) Software emulation or not, I was still able to use my PS1 discs to play PS1 games on my PS3. But I guess Duckstation is the better alternative.
2) Glad we agree on something. The whole permanent marker look just doesn't look right in my physical collection, which is why I prefer digital at that point, since digital allows me to obtain games that are hard to buy physically due to high prices these days.
3) Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I'll probably just stick with Duckstation to emulate PS1 games. As well as playing PS1 games on my hacked PSP.

>>11836253
Unfortunately I'm not that skilled with my permanent marker. I'd probably print my own label in any case. But I'm not going to, since I figured digital is the better route.

>>11835716
>The creators said it can be detected if you ever go back to official firmware
Why would you do that?

>>11834036
>>11835620
Does the ps1 mister core render this correctly?

>>11835517
The PS3 first model had hardware based emulation of PS1 I believe and it was really good, it was PS2 which got discarded in later models and wasn't even that good to begin with.

>>11835141
In a world of psycho devs that ship that sabotage their own firmware updates, the saturn/ps1 ODE clone guys on AliExpress are gigabased and I'm tired of pretending they aren't.

>>11835141
In a world of psycho devs that sabotage their own firmware updates, the saturn/ps1 ODE clone guys on AliExpress are gigabased and I'm tired of pretending they aren't.

>>11837448
No model of the PS3 ever had hardware emulation of the PS1, they were all always software. You are confusing them with having PS2 hardware.

>>11837513
You get what you pay for, don’t lump Fenrir and XStation in with the PSIO.

>>11834020 (OP)
Just get an x station