Thread 11834271

Behold! The Holy Trinity of SRPG.

FFTA dumps on all of these games.

>>11834271 (OP)
Here is what I hate about weebs, an actual jap person would have told us what games these are in English.

>>11834271 (OP)
>”Trinity”
>Lists 4 games

>The Holy Trinity of SRPG.

That would be Shining Force 3.
All 3 of them.

>>11834274
Looks cringe

>>11834283
t. mewt

>>11834281
>2D overworld, rough low poly 3D battle scenes
SEXO

>>11834286
>looks up mewt
>some gay looking nigga
HELL NAH

>>11834276
>newfag wants to get spoonfed
Alright:
Langrisser (1991)
Tactics Ogre (1995)
Vandal Hearts II (1999)
Genealogy of the Holy War (1996)

>>11834276
Google image search allows you to target certain parts of the image fyi

>>11834307
>Langrisser (1991)
>Tactics Ogre (1995)
Redpill me on these

>>11834274
HOLY FUCKING FPBP
Game is so underrated

>>11834271 (OP)
I prefer SRW but FE is a close second

Are there ANY SRPGS where I can create a harem of all female units who I can headcanon as being lovers/sex slaves of the MC (myself)?

>>11834937
Disgaea?

>>11834937
Utawarerumono

>>11834937
kill off all the males in permadeath games

>>11835064
That bitch in top middle would jaw mog Hercules.

>>11834937
Sumeragi na Miko-tachi

>>11835068
japs have a weird chin fetish

>>11834937
Not retro but Stella Glow

>>11834276
Would they? lol

>>11835068
Some anime girls are just awkward to draw profile-wise

>>11834937
The only RPGs where this works are stuff like DQ3 and Wizardry, I can't think of an SRPG where that fantasy feels satisfied

>>11834306
>>>/gtfo/

>>11835068
afraid of thick chins?

>>11835072
Looks interesting. By the same company that made Youjuu Senki, right?

>>11834937
The Lakers series for PC-98 would fit.

>>11834274
>extremely repetitive
>story almost inexistant and lacks any sense of adventure
>Terrible UI which has you repeatidly check every item one by one for skills
>LAWS

No, it's not. Even the fighting isn't that interesting which is why the LAW system exists, it's a bandaid to "spice up" what are otherwise pretty bland fights

>>11835383
>By the same company that made Youjuu Senki, right?
Oh yeah that was them too

This is the one genre I'm aware of where the best games aren't /vr/ imo
The best Fire Emblems aren't even made by intsys, for example. I love SNES FE, but they get eviscerated by Vestaria and Andaron Saga, and those aren't even commercial releases.
Maybe it goes to Berwick Saga, but still, 6th gen is surprising

I was going through the FE series by release order and picrel is where I dropped the series

>>11835768
FE4 and 5 are the best in the serie,you should continue

>>11835768
Three is not exceptionally good, it's worse than one for sure. Continue with four and five.

>>11834313
These are two of the best games I have ever played.
The story of Langrisser is simple, but the great pacing and legendary soundtrack make it extremely addictive to play and memorable. The maps are full of enemies and this contributes to the great epic scope of the game. The original version has permadeaths, but later versions have removed them, for the better of the game since the generals were never that many to begin with and given the difficulty of the game.
Tactics Ogre on the other hand has a more complex and overarching story. It is a "political" game. It has permadeath (although not as harsh than, say, Fire Emblem) but you can recruit generic units as well. It has some historical merits being the first SRPG to feature verticality in maps and the "non alternate turn system". Memorable for the setting, the equally legendary soundtrack, and the high difficulty.

>>11834313
I played Langrisser 1 + 2 recently and they're both good, 2 especially (Genesis version) was exceptionally good and im a bitch about SRPG design
If you like both the FW/AW style of strategy game and the FE/FFT side, you'll probably enjoy these, or at least 2

any other srpgs that keep the exploration ann dungeon stuff like Shining Force?

>>11834271 (OP)
>S
it's only T. You'll need to play games made by autistic Scandinavians if you want S

>>11836305
The Arc the Lad series kinda

>>11836305
Just Breed has towns like SF
But it's not that good

>>11834271 (OP)
Genealogy is my favorite game of all time but other than that im kinda a pleb when it comes to srpgs, but id like to try some more non FE games. Which one do you think I would like the most given that? Do any of them have the per-unit style of FE?

>>11836328
One of Shinzo Abe’s earlier, lesser known works

>>11834937
Isn't this exactly what the Rance series is?
t. Have not played Rance

Tips for Tactics Ogre on SFC?

>>11834271 (OP)
>Langrisser
>Fire Emblem

You didn't play these games.

>>11834313
>Langrisser
Fire Emblem, but the characters were designed by a legendary porn artist.

>>11836428
You're aware people here play video games, right? You're on the wrong board. I also own the first Langrisser game on Genesis, where it was officially localized.

>>11836428
>accuses others of not playing the games
>"Langrisser is just Fire Emblem!"

>>11836428
Some of us actually play games, unc
That FE4 run was an attempt at a ranked run, it's funny how broken you can get in that game if you squeeze every drop of xp out of the maps

>>11836473
Also that is Marty on the throne in the Thracia pic, important to note.

>>11836474
marty chad

>>11836323
S stand for simulation, silly.
シミュレーションRPG

Is there any reason to not just turtle in these games? Like just camp in a solid spot near my spawn and just let the enemies walk my troops? Or are the games designed well enough that they'll force different strategies?

>>11836741
Well in my favorite Tactical RPG, Berwick saga

Almost all maps have a strict turn limit or infinite spawn point

So no that doesn't work

>>11835397
>story almost inexistant
this is retarded, i'm actually astonished you managed to contrive something this stupid. if anything, FFTA has one of the best stories in any RPG. i'd argue it has more story elements than FFT which is mostly a bunch of armchair intellectual political masturbation with no overarching moral. i'm convinced half of the criticisms this game come from mewtfags that identified with le sad lonely boy instead of based marche. the entire game is about the destructive nature of escapism, made even more poignant by the fact it's being told through an escapist medium to begin with. go ahead and say "...now that's le heckin armchair intellectual nonsense!" but it isn't, it's actually a very good story and a clever form of storytelling. what a weird thing to attack the game for.

>>11836418
I ask the same. Most info is for the remakes.

>started up FFT to finally get it out of my backlog
>loving it
>get to stage 5, Dorter City Slums
>remember how insane this fight is
>get lucky and am able to get my party all on the big building
>turns out to be useless because archers and mages below somehow have perfect shots even though they can't possibly see us
>game over

This was almost where I stopped originally. I think I just had to pull up a guide because it's such a ludicrous difficulty spike out of nowhere.

>>11836741
This is a really important part of the design of these games imo. Like >>11836757 said, time pressure for main/optional objectives is the way. Fire Emblem does it sometimes with maps that ask you to save villages or NPCs for a reward, but require risk to do so. Or the entire (different) village mechanic in FE4
Then you counterbalance this with maps actually designed for defense/turtling so every map isn't strictly a rushdown

>>11837178
That was the first moment I realized FFT wanted me to grind random encounters and that it was never going to be as balanced as a FE or Vandal Hearts

>>11836768
>FFTA has one of the best stories in any RPG.
>the destructive nature of escapism

For starters the entire story sound like pub philosophy, or rather what you'd hear stuck-up parents who forbid video games to their kids say "video games are le bad! Kids can't tell the difference from reality anymore!", which coming from a video game and coming from THIS video game in particular is the most hypocritical message I've seen in a video game. The game is trying to tell people "not to overdo escapism", all while having a game system that never fucking ends between the clan turf war that attack places you had liberated with no end, or sidequests that keep coming back even if you already completed them 10 times.

If you really think this story is good you must have issues with your video game playing. I don't.

But I wasn't even getting into that, when I said the story is almost inexistant what I meant was that you get a 30 secs cutscene every 10 hours.

Dark Wizard is always overlooked.
The playthroughs as the different leaders changed the game greatly.
>Amon the vampire lord campaign is raising an undead horde to conquer the world. Ghosts, Liches, death dragon, etc but weak economy (undead dont pay taxes I guess?)
>ARMER XIII his campaign has a strong economy, can hire a ton of powerful mercenaries and he can lead them in combat personally as he is a powerful unit when he leaves the castle
>crystal the mage leaders an army with powerful magic, runs smaller armies and is weak o nthe frontlines, but can nuke shit and support armies from the castle. She also wears a leotard and has nice legs
>Robin runs a well rounded campaign, she has decent magic, decent as a combat unit herself, good economy, overall balanced campaign. her unique heroes are weak though

Each ruler has two generals which are unique heroes on the battlefield. Most are decent, but one of them is a glitched isekai type cheat hero who can cast all 4 elements, and is physically stronger than anything in the game. You get her to her 4th tier promotion and she is more or less a god of destruction on the battlefield, but up to that point the vampire ruler has tough early and mid-game.

Way more depth and replay value than a shinging force or warsong(langrassier) ttile fro mthe 16 bit era.

>>11837372
I've been at it for 3 goddamn hours now and I can't do it. If they game wants me to grind my jobs up on these two encounter tiles there's no reason I won't just grind until my jobs are maxed out. I absolutely am tearing what little hair I have left out of my head.

>>11837427
Lots of quests and secrets. hidden ninja village, quests for the elemental spirits, quests to get exotic mounts for your army. Griffon, winged horse, dragons.

Vandel Hearts 2 is underated

>>11834276
-inbred jew

>>11837384
Have you ever considered that there's a middle ground between completely abstaining from games and playing them obsessively to the point that it interferes with real life? Or is that message too nuanced for you?

>>11836741
I only played one Shining Force game but it was different in the sense that you dont fight back if you are defending, you have to go out and initiate the attack to actually kill something which was an interesting dynamic coming from the other SRPGs ive played.

Theres a stage in Langrisser early on where you have to cross a bridge to rescue some general and I had to re-do it 10 times to actually get the general to not kill himself in 4 turns before I could even get across the bridge to save him. I would literally order my guys to move the farthest possible every turn and he would die before I could even approach the enemy that kills him.

>>11838539
>Don't overdo video games it's not healthy!
>But have some never ending sidequests

>>11834271 (OP)
I'd replace FE with Shining Force but otherwise I agree.

>>11834313
>Langrisser
TRPG where you control actual armies.
On top of unique units that get stronger over time, you can hire generic mercenaries with fixed stats which will gather exp from defeated units to their assigned commander.
The SNES game has fun alternative routes and Mega Drive games are known for their high difficulty, also characters drawn by a porn artist who also made official doujinshi.

>>11836945
Wish FE went back to copying anime characters.
Path of Radiance has a Cima expy in Petrine.
Need more recruitable evil women.

>>11838509
Same.
Its very underrated and I am glad I decided to give it a go.
I can understand the art style is probably not the most appraling but works well with the story.
It's pretty secret heavy (Most extra content is hidden in random tiles. Even the best ending) so better guide up.
And now that there is a mod where the gameplay is similar to the average srpg, you have a game with 2 gameplay styles.
Best retro game I have found in a while.

>>11839857
Yeah bro, glad to see more people come around to it. I played it when it came out and remember trying to talk to my friends about it and they were having none of it

>>11838509
I just remember it being insanely dry compared to VH1.

>>11839861
It is a bit dry compared to VH1, VH1 has the feel of a Saturday morning cartoon so it's a tough comparison.

Front Mission is probably the most underrated tactical JRPG. I never played it but looks the coolest out of all.

>>11839859
Whats funny is say how FFT and TO looks a little too cutesy in their spritework compared to the themes they touch but the game with the correct presentation that matches the atory gets lookee down upon.

>>11839857
>>11839949
So should I play normally or with the "normal" turn mod?

>>11839958
I have only played in the normal way with the new battle system.
Anons say its easy to read the AI but maybe I'm dumb but other than bosses without any other enemies, I have misread a bunch of AI cues.
So maybe play normally and if you think its too easy, switch to the modded one.
Though I'm not sure if saves are compatible.

>>11836330
Good post, thank you.