there's NO WAY this level wasn't stitched together in 1 week from leftover assets, this is hands down the worst final level in any mario game and i'm surprised it made it to retail

this game is so clearly unfinished and it wasn't even a launch title, how did nintendo fuck up this badly?

>1 week
A week of work into one level (5 7+ hour days) sounds like decent work to me.

>>11839693 (OP)
yeah it was originally supposed to be a full map with shines like the other areas.

Don't forget the Bowser boss fight makes Mario 64's Bowser fights look like masterpieces and like they really strained themselves, which you also can understandably cut slack due to older/weaker technology

>>11839728
>the Bowser boss fight makes Mario 64's Bowser fights look like masterpieces
so much this

it's honestly a shame, this game could have been the definitive sequel to super mario 64 but instead we got a half-baked product and hardware wasn't even an excuse this time

>>11839760
I've posted this before, but it needed a second phase with you and Bowser landing in a much bigger pool that allows him to act like a shark, charging for the player

>>11839693 (OP)
My guess is that dropping the already developed Delfino Express to make a proper hub world ended up completely fucking up the development cycle. I wonder if we will ever get to know why they even did that, did the devs think they would be allowed to delay shit whenever they wanted like in the 64 era?

>>11839693 (OP)
the finale sucked but whoo what a game, im gonna go back and play it again

I'm not hating on the game just because the last level was underwhelming.
Awesome game.

There's a fun game in Sunshine but the progression and structure is its deepest flaw.
The shine sprites give the false impression of open progression. Whilst they do unlock new nozzles and open new area, they hide the actual progression of just catching Shadow Mario on the 7th episode of every area.
Which is a shame, because it means all of the shine collecting you're doing is ultimately meaningless busywork, aimlessly playing the game until the final level suddenly opens up without the player actually understanding why. As compared to 64 or Galaxy which are truly open-ended with which levels and objectives you can choose to play or ignore in an any% scenario.

The blue coins are a symptom of the problems, they actually offer nothing at all but account for a whole fifth of the collectible shine sprites. Hunting them is also aggravating because there's no collection tracker for them, and some only appear on specific episodes. The pixel-hunting aspect of "try spraying every little thing" gets really bad because they don't leave behind any evidence you've found it (think like the Koroks in Breath of the Wild).
The worst example of this is having to stand atop a specific mushroom in Pianta Village, and spraying a hidden panel in the sky where you can see the full moon. There's absolutely no hints or indication of this blue coin and pure frustration to try and find this one on your own.

>>11839863
>picrel
its frustrating to no end that we'll never get a proper look at the humans of SMS prototypes (low-res footage doesn't tell that much), gosh i want a leak to happen so badly

>>11840627
Too bad the Nintendo hacker was such an autist and pretty much only looked for Pokemon shit. That was a once in a lifetime thing and you can be sure they're locked down tight now.

>>11839693 (OP)
imagine standards so low you wind up loving this game

>>11839918
>there's no collection tracker for them
The map tells you how many you've gotten, mate.

>>11839918
The problem with you people is you'll never be happy. You're either bitching because the game is too hard and cryptic or it's too easy and handholdy. There's no appreciation for either. If you decided you wanted to play and have fun instead of bitch and moan you wouldn't need these ridiculous write-ups to express your "feelings".

Sunshine is fun

>>11841198
Not what I meant, I know the map tells you how many blue coins you've collected for a given area, but it lacks a lot of vital information.
It doesn't tell you the maximum blue coins per area is 30, and it doesn't tell you if you've discovered all of the blue coins for a given area or individual episode, and the player can therefore waste time trying to find something.

>>11841205
You've got it wrong, this is complaining about actual, bad experiences with the game.
Sunshine is a miserable game to play to 100% completion, but fun to just play through casually.
As compared to 64, Galaxy 1+2, Odyssey, 3D Land, 3D World, which are actual joys to 100% because they don't drag their heels with pixel-hunting hidden object bullshit.
Sunshine also fumbles the casual playthrough experience because of its vague progression goals masquerading as open-ended progression.

>>11839693 (OP)
It's funny how people talk about the GC like in what some sort of golden age for Nintendo when in reality it was their messiest period when it comes to game development.

>>11843887
I'd argue this applies mostly to EAD. They had some good games, but the quality of their flagship franchises really took a big hit compared to the N64 entries.
I see the gamecube as a console of smaller nintendo franchises like Metroid, F-Zero and so on and less of Mario and Zelda. EAD's best CGN game was probably Pikmin 1 or 2 or Luigi's Mansion which says a lot.

>>11841352
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>11843908
>or Luigi's Mansion

>>11841896
>akshually, the game needs to hold my hand harder
Come on, anon. Stop being such a pussy about this stuff. You said outright "there is no collection tracker for them", so I proved to you there was. It's perfectly serviceable. You can make inferences to know how many will be in each location. You don't need a japanese man to autistically spell it all out for you unless you are a literal retard.
>akshually, my bitching is for real
Said every victim ever.

>>11843979
Tommy Tallarico opinions don't count

>>11839696
that's because you're a retard who has never created anything ever

>>11839693 (OP)
I'm not hating on the game just because the last level was underwhelming.
There are at least 4 or 5 more disappointing moments earlier in the game and almost a dozen things that are far more unenjoyable.

>>11839918
>There's absolutely no hints or indication of this blue coin and pure frustration to try and find this one on your own.

Sorry to hear you're retarded. Blue coins are completely inoffensive, they're a completely optional collectible. If you don't like them, then don't get them but you can't cry about them just because you're less intelligent than a 4 year old.

Always been real odd to me that people whine about blue coins whenever Sunshines brought up but don't complain about similar collectibles in any other game. I don't get what makes them so horribly different. I agree tracking them could be better, and the few that are only available in certain missions isn't great(its a lot less than you think its almost not a problem) but on the whole they're harmless.

>>11844786
Searching for them in the different episodes is fun and you get to see the differences between each level as you explore. Telling me how many I've gotten in each area is more than enough. You don't even get that in OoT with gold skultullas. It's literally just a picture of a gold skultulla when you've gotten all of them in that area, but you don't even know what all the "areas" are until you've gotten them all.

Don't we already have a thread bitching about sunshine? Do we really need two? One is more than enough for this damn board.

>>11839918
>meaningless busywork, aimlessly playing the game
and this right here is the ultimate confession. you arent actually playing the game for the sake of having fun, you're trying to "accomplish" something. as such, your opinion is easily discarded.

>>11844603
>It's perfectly serviceable. You can make inferences to know how many will be in each location.

How? Pianta village has two coins that are only available in episodes 1, 3, 5, and 7. One that is only in 2, 3, 6, and 8. Three that are only in episode 3. Three that are only in episode 5. Eight that are only in episode 6. And one that is only in episode 8.

How can you possibly know that without scouring the same level 8 times?

>>11839693 (OP)
The ability to see the other locations from inside a subworld is so fucking cool. The world building is peak

>>11845550
>without scouring the same level 8 times?
i dont see the problem
>immediately recognize that different shines set the worlds in different states with different object spawns and such
why would you NOT scour the level each time? why would you play a sandbox game and only take the shortest route to the objective? do you not have FUN playing in the sandbox?

>>11841352
Is there a rabbit character in sunshine?

>>11839693 (OP)
It's the ultimate test of skill to see if you actually understand the mechanics. Even the boat at the end is way harder just because it's a slightly longer shape than the ones from Niko Bay.

>>11844678
>.5 off from Victor

Wow man totally worth not considering, tendie.

Tallarico > You

LM1 sucks btw and I rented it the week it was new and beat it in the 2 day rental period for new releases.

>>11846340
>It's the ultimate test of skill to see if you actually understand the mechanics.

Yeah but better games do that concept much better.

>>11840627
>gosh i want a leak to happen so badly
Ask, and it shall be granted ;)

>>11839693 (OP)
> random stitched together assets
> clearly rushed
But enough about Odyssey lets talk about retro games

>>11846350
>reddit spacing

>>11846724
Post your hands you brown tranny

>>11845991
>why would you NOT scour the level each time?

Because some of us actually value our time

>>11846887
you're playing video games. you're kidding yourself if consider that to truly be valuable, and even more so if you're playing for some sort of "accomplishment" instead of for the sake of playing and having FUN.

Dude I am morbidly curious to play Super Mario Sunshine just to KNOW. But I know my time is worth more than that. Why the fuck would I play this.... and yet, and yet.... NO! I am not playing Mario Sunshine, not even the Sunburn fixed version! I'm gonna touch grass!

>>11843979
Is it really that bad? lmao I was thinking of finally playing it

>>11847147
It's not bad, just angers n64fags

>>11847147
It's good! It's just not nearly as expansive or ambitious as people were wanting a Mario game to be. It won't blow your mind or anything, but it's charming.

>>11847046
Quit talking past that person. Obviously you're both talking about fun. Other anon wants the fun to be more consistently available, and you want people to stop thinking and talking about things in ways complex enough to throw you, a slowpoke, off the thread of conversation. These are two different arguments that do not conflict.

>>11841352
How did you make that image?
Pianta's never hold that Durian in their hands

>>11846676
What about Odyssey seemed rushed or stitched together to you?

>>11848265
>ways complex enough to throw you
theres nothing complex about being a hypocrite. if you think im "thrown" then you're even more retarded with even less to contribute.

>>11839693 (OP)
absolute irredeemable dog shit

>>11848609
NTA but Odyssey had an art direction where Mario would feel "out of place" to the locations he is visiting. Like the realistic Dragon from the Ruined Kingdom, the T-Rex and New Donk City, among others. My guess is that he's implying a big part of this design philosophy was to hide that they were just throwing shit together willy nilly?

>>11848609
You're joking right? Or has your brain been so thoroughly mushed up by the slop you consume that you thought the game flowed well from "realistic jurassic island" to "pink cake land" to "dark souls dragon"? Really cute how you unlock peach's castle at the end and toads are still giving you tutorials after you beat the game. Definitely not random shit cobbled together.

>>11848598
Official render, it's in the instruction manual

>>11845993
Nah, I just have a crush on this bunny girl

>>11850615
Thicc girl, would play retro with

>>11850393
mario has consistently traveled to wildly different settings in mainline games. the only difference with odyssey is that some of them have a more "realistic look" with a different art style, instead of them all being equally cartoony. he's done forests, caves, space, castles, robots, deserts, volcanoes, various food worlds, snow, water, ghost houses, clouds, tiny, huge, and the list goes on and on. somehow the art style changing with the setting is a step too far for you? pathetic.

and toads giving tutorials, just like that thing they do in most games? its kind of their theme.