Who fucked themselves over more, Atari or Sega?

>>11840706 (OP)
Atari

Sega, at least had SoA trying to damage control SoJ stupid decisions

Atari

>atari's last console was the Jaguar, a piece of shit everyone hated
>atari was once the king of video games and then completely died

>sega's last console was the Dreamcast, it had a cult following and is fondly remembered
>sega was once nintendo's rival and then became a 3rd party developer

atari's retardation and greed is legendary.

>>11840724
All Sega consoles have a cult following except the shitty add ons and forgettable portables, but the main home consoles were good, the problem was Sony being so much better than Sega while being similar.

At least Nintendo could say "you don't have zelda/Mario on Playstation"

>>11840740
Show me SG-1000 cult followers.

>>11840748
Oh I forgot they had a thing before the master system, the master system doesn't really has much of a fandom either

>>11840748
Auster

>>11840706 (OP)
Atari never put out anything good in the home game market after the 2600. Maybe if they abandoned it and moved fully into computers they would have been better off. Everything after the 2600 was either dated before it was released, rife with problems or usually both, and they didn't have any good games worth playing. Hell, a lot of them for the 5200 and 7800 were arcade games that were already ported to the 2600. Even if they had all been much better ports they were still games people already played. Every Sega system at least had some games you would have fun playing even if you thought they were weaker than the competition. Atari was just trash, the 2600 had some good games but then they started releasing a ton of garbage for that too.

>>11840724
Sega definitely has stronger prestige. I look at the Genesis and Dreamcast, and I respect it a lot, they were just plain fucking good.

>>11840748
If you twist things you could maybe argue that the Master System sort of is one, but the Master System had decent success while the SG-1000 isn't particularly remembered.
Genesis/Megadrive was FAR more popular than Master System though, I think it's where Sega first hit their stride with console games.

>>11840709
>Sega, at least had SoA trying to damage control
never happened. everyone knows they destroyed sega's future as a console manufacturer. only on /vr/ will i find the most detestable american retards still trying to do damage control for their fellow retards, as if search engines, magazines, books etc. don't exist on the subject. everyone is glad that bernie stolar is dead and i would personally piss on his grave if i could get to it. remember when he died and barely anyone gave a fucking shit - especially the press? there's a reason for that.

>>11840706 (OP)
>Who fucked themselves over more, Atari or Sega?

It's a hard question

> Atari
- Nolan Bushnell sells of Atari to Warner Communications in 1976 and then leaves the company in 1979.
- After the 1983 NA home console crash, Warner Communications breaks Atari into two separate companies. Atari Corp; which was purchased by Jack Tramiel, and Atari Games, which was like sold off to Namco, or something?
- Jack Tramiel pushed Atari into being more computer oriented. But they do release some consoles like the 2600 Jr., and 7800 Pro System.
- Atari tries to get back into home console gaming with the Lynx and the Jaguar.
-Jaguar tanks Jack Tramiel's Atari Corp. Tramiel sells of Atari's computer patents to various tech companies.
- Atari gets purchased by Hasbro Interactive. They focus on releasing 'modern classics' like an updated 3D Missile Command and Pong.
- Atari Games (The arcade division) gets purchased by Midway. Midway goes under. Most of the IP is bought by Warner Bros. Interactive.

> Sega (Of America)
- Makes a deal with Tonka to distribute the Master System.
- Does incredibly well in arcades, but their home console system gets demolished by Nintendo's exclusivity contracts.
- Release Genesis in 1988-1989. The system actually does pretty well under Michael Katz, sold well on its' arcade ports and when EA became a publisher. The system became known for its' sports titles. Those were pretty big sellers.
> Sega goats Tom Kalinske over from Mattel. Kalinske already had success with Barbie, Heman, and Hot Wheels.
> Tom Kalinske spearheads the popularity of Sonic the Hedgehog through mass marketing and promotional tie ins.
> Makes Sega a real competitor in the 16bit era.
> 32X and Sega Saturn were cluster fucks.
> Sega was too far in debt with the Saturn.

>>11840706 (OP) (OP)
>Who fucked themselves over more, Atari or Sega?

It's a hard question

> Atari
- Nolan Bushnell sells of Atari to Warner Communications in 1976 and then leaves the company in 1979.
- After the 1983 NA home console crash, Warner Communications breaks Atari into two separate companies. Atari Corp; which was purchased by Jack Tramiel, and Atari Games, which was like sold off to Namco, or something?
- Jack Tramiel pushed Atari into being more computer oriented. But they do release some consoles like the 2600 Jr., and 7800 Pro System.
- Atari tries to get back into home console gaming with the Lynx and the Jaguar.
-Jaguar tanks Jack Tramiel's Atari Corp. Tramiel sells of Atari's computer patents to various tech companies.
- Atari gets purchased by Hasbro Interactive. They focus on releasing 'modern classics' like an updated 3D Missile Command and Pong.
- Atari Games (The arcade division) gets purchased by Midway. Midway goes under. Most of the IP is bought by Warner Bros. Interactive.

> Sega (Of America)
- Makes a deal with Tonka to distribute the Master System.
- Does incredibly well in arcades, but their home console system gets demolished by Nintendo's exclusivity contracts.
- Release Genesis in 1988-1989. The system actually does pretty well under Michael Katz, sold well on its' arcade ports and when EA became a publisher. The system became known for its' sports titles. Those were pretty big sellers.
- Sega goats Tom Kalinske over from Mattel. Kalinske already had success with Barbie, Heman, and Hot Wheels.
- Tom Kalinske spearheads the popularity of Sonic the Hedgehog through mass marketing and promotional tie ins.
- Makes Sega a real competitor in the 16bit era.
- 32X and Sega Saturn were cluster fucks.
- Sega was too far in debt with the Saturn.

>>11840706 (OP)
Sega, Atari just kind of quietly fucked themselves over by sucking and entering a complacent irrelevance, Sega's failure was more spectacular

>>11840748
I honestly want to get into the SG-1000, but then again I like those old arcade games.

>>11840706 (OP)
People like to make fun Sega, but I don't think they ever really had a chance against Nintendo and Sony. Saying Sega failing was their own fault is like saying every arcade developer failing is their own fault. It's not just Sega who went under, literally every arcade developer went under except for Capcom.

>>11841668
All they had to do was force sonic team into making a 3d sonic for the saturn, yes they 100% deserve to be shit on.

>>11841721
Nights into Dreams is better than Sonic anyway. There was a 3d Sonic on Dreamcast and it also couldn't save them. Sega was just too focused on Arcade games. Panzer Dragoon, Sega Rally, Virtua Cop, Virtua Fighter, etc, all awesome games but sadly just not popular anymore. And at the same time Nintendo had all the 3rd party arcade developers.

>>11841735
>Nights into Dreams is better than Sonic anyway
Better than adventure? Debatable
Better than classic? Hell fucking no
Nights it's too niche and was destined to fail when compared to sm64 and crash
>There was a 3d Sonic on Dreamcast and it also couldn't save them
Too fucking late, 3d mascot hyper was fucking gone by then, it needed a 3d sonic as a launch title for the saturn
>Sega was just too focused on Arcade games
The market was moving to people's houses, another reason to shit on Sega, they failed to adapt
>same time Nintendo had all the 3rd party arcade developers
Nintendo had jack shit besides Rare

>>11840706 (OP)
Atari easily
>floods the market with shit games by 1983, killing the US console market for at least two years
>company is divided up into different unrelated companies, Atari Games and Corp, sewing brand confusion
>Corp. run by Jack Tramiel, who's more obsessed with computers than consoles, let's the 7800 get raped by Nintendo and Sega
>squanders the Lynx
>Atari Corp dies an embarrassing death with his sons at the helm and bombing with the Jaguar, could've been a decent machine if not for the controller and bugs in the CPU
>Atari Games meanwhile does ok, forging ties with Namco
>Then they get cocky, first by breaking Nintendo 10NES security system, then haggling for rights to Tetris
>spends the late 80s/early 90s fighting in court
>by 1994, the CEO dies, company is sold off to Time Warner, then Hasbro, at some point Williams/Midway is involved too?
>eventually bought by Infogrames, rebranded back to Atari, becomes a Europoor publisher of shovelware and DBZ games
>loses all relevance once Bamco secures global rights to DBZ games
At least Sega has a clear line from their successful days to their current state, Atari was a cluster fuck after they split up, with both divisions experiencing embarrassing failures, and devaluing the Atari name. Sega's fuckups were massive but at least their name brings up more fond memories of when they did things right than Atari.

>>11841749
>Nintendo had jack shit besides Rare
It literally had Capcom and Konami mainly developing for them.

Looking at the videogame market today, it's probably better that Sega went out anyway. Modern videogames are gay, consoles are fucking dead.

>>11841735
>Sega was just too focused on Arcade games. Panzer Dragoon, Sega Rally, Virtua Cop, Virtua Fighter, etc, all awesome games but sadly just not popular anymore.
>And at the same time Nintendo had all the 3rd party arcade developers.
Only one of these sentences is true.

>>11841757
>It literally had Capcom
Like literally three fucking games. Capcom had more games on Saturn than N64
>and Konami mainly developing for them.
They supported more than Capcom (ISS, Goemon, etc), but still it was nothing compared to their output on PS1.

>>11840706 (OP)
Sega. Atari would have failed as a video game company regardless because the quality of games they were putting out would never have increased. Sega would never have failed if it hadn't been for bad business. They might have lost some market share if they didn't move away from an arcade style game mind set but they wouldn't have gone bankrupt and had to sell the company.

>>11840768
>master system doesn't really has much of a fandom either

You've never been to sunny Brazil, amico

Atari.

SEGA was stupid, but they weren't "Let's remake the 2600 controller AFTER everyone has moved onto gamepads" and "Let's put a numberpad as if it's 1979 in a 1993 console we want to push as state of the art" stupid.

They also weren't "Let's rush out barely-alpha versions of games and print more copies than we have consoles sold assuming they will all sell on the licensing alone" crash of 83 stupid.

The only even semi-successful thing Atari ever did was the 2600, and that's more because they were basically the first console where you could change the game, everyone long stopped caring them them even before their death, and after their death people only cared about them years later purely for historical/trivia reasons. While much of what SEGA did after the Genesis were missteps, they still had some success with them and many of them are still fondly remembered to this day as well as still make good games to this day, Sonic is considered right up there with Mario in terms of popular game mascots. What do most people these days remember about Atari other than E.T.?

>>11842338
>Brazil
We don't care for the Master System here either. We always view it as the poorfag system that Techtoy clogged up shelves with.

>>11841586
It's a piece of shit, after you see it all the pieces will fall into place and you'll realize the Genesis was an accident, Sega was never meant to be a console dev. They released it to compete with the NES but it's more like an Intellivision.

Atari basically pissed away any good will they had with everyone.

>>11840706 (OP)
As an Atari fan, I gotta give it to Atari. They did everything Sega did but worse. They:
>Were completely blind to what consumers wanted
>Refused to release timely system upgrades to remain cutting edge
(keep in mind the engineers were very aware that their systems were outdated, they started working on the 2600 successor immediately after its release for that reason but it got turned into the 8-bit computers in 1979 then the 5200 in 1982 because the higher ups were pretty much convinced they could sell the 2600 indefinitely)
>They treated their devs as contract workers which led to some of their best developers leaving
>They had crazy short deadlines that lead to some of their highly anticipated games being low quality
(I believe E.T. had 6-8 weeks development time when most games needed around 6 months minimum).
And this was all in the early 80s by the way, it got even worse too. The only other times they had a cutting edge system prepared was the 7800 and when they were gonna localize the Famicom, but they fucked up both of those opportunities too by delaying the 7800 by 2 years and dropping the Nintendo deal. I like their games don't get me wrong, but only a fool would insist they were not at fault for their own downfall. Sega at least has some handicaps against them, SoA and SoJ butting heads, the PlayStation, etc. but Atari was pretty much the king of console gaming in the early 80s but still fucked up and never recovered. Sorry for the blog post but I get passionate about this shit.

>>11841142
It is sort of true. SoA had Kalinske who tried to do some real good things and also counteract SoJ's decisions but ultimately all executive power rested with SoJ.
>Purused partnership with Sony, SoJ vetoed
>Pursued partnership with Silicon Graphics - SoJ declined
>Tried to delay Saturn release - SoJ declined
>Opposed Saturn as a system - SoJ declined

All of these had profound consequences for Sega, the last 2 are murky because delaying the Saturn would have secured more and better launch titles, the Saturn launch notoriously pissed off retailers. Beating Sony to market would help alot in theory in theory but also the Saturn's early release was limited so it's true effect isn't clear

>>11841427
>The system became known for its' sports titles. Those were pretty big sellers.
The best console exclusive sports title of that gen belonged to Nintendo

>>11843091
You think normies that play sport shit care about anything other than which one is cheaper?