Thread 11842124

Texture warping? SOUL

>>11842124 (OP)
I've seen indie devs even replicate it. So dumb.

For me its NES sprite flickering

>>11842124 (OP)
What a hottie ugu <3<3<3<3<3

>>11842139
I hate it when I see indie games with a PS1 filter, or ones with a VHS filter.

Mostly because 99% of the time they seem to have been made by people who never saw a PS1 or VCR in their life and crank the filters all the way up to ridiculous levels.

Yes, the PS! had texture warping. No, it wasn't so bad that everything wiggles like jello with each step and if you come within two feet of a well it will stretch to the point where a single polygon gets stretched inti infinity in both directions.

Yes, a VHS tape could become poor quality. But that's generally if you have a really shitty recording on a shitty old tape that has been neglected and abused for a long time. No, it wasn't common for pretty much every tape to have nonstop tracking lines, static, warping images, vertical hold issues, and a laughably shitty image. Do they seriously think people actually watched movies like that back then?

>>11842143
I like dithering, slowdown, texture warping, low framerate, etc. If I'm playing on emulator, I like to set everything as close as possible to the original hardware, but I just can't stand sprite flickering. Hate the damn thing with a passion.

>>11842416
im surprised, I don't mind sprite flickering if it's done like recca.

>>11842416
When using software emulators I just plain enhance the games as much as possible, not like I am playing on a CRT or with original controllers anyway. I prefer the original hardware for accuracy, or something like a MiSTer.

Odd that you hate sprite flickering though if you want all those other effects intact since that was generally used to fake transparencies, usually when taking damage to indicate mercy invulnerability.

>>11842409
>No, it wasn't so bad that everything wiggles like jello with each step
I have seen shit games do this. Maybe they're trying to replicate the feeling of a shitngame for their shit game.

>No, it wasn't common for pretty much every tape to have nonstop tracking lines, static, warping images, vertical hold issues, and a laughably shitty image.
You didn't get most of your movies from bootleg man or recording them off tv I see. Faggot. Our VCR was so shit you couldn't even talk in the room when recording or else it would pick up your conversation. Mom was absolutely pissed when she tried to watch titanic and during the scene in the car you can hear by brother fart for no less than 7 seconds and my dad yelling, "God dammit Thomas I'm recording that stupid movie your mom wants to see, go in the back yard if you want to shit yourself."

>>11842476
>You didn't get most of your movies from bootleg man or recording them off tv I see. Faggot. Our VCR was so shit you couldn't even talk in the room when recording or else it would pick up your conversation.
I literally had dozens of tapes I recorded off TV, or copied from Blockbuster. You also aren't fooling anyone with that fakeass retarded story, that's not how tapes work.

I unironically like texture warping because I grew up with the system, so emulating my old games with it still intact makes it feel more authentic. if you havent played a real ps1 at any point in your life theres no reason for it.

It's soul until you actually need good spatial awareness, such as in say, Tomb Raider or Soul Reaver. Then it stops being le soul real fast

>>11842476
>Our VCR was so shit you couldn't even talk in the room when recording or else it would pick up your conversation

>>11842517
I believe it. There's all kinds of noise and static that ruin electric signals

texture warping makes me sick, im glad we live in the future where we can make the games look as the devs intended

>>11842519
You're an idiot then. First of all VCRs encase the tape inside, it's not laying exposed to the entire room while playing.

Second, IT'S NOT GOING TO RECORD THE SOUND OF A FART ONTO THE TAPE JUST BECAUSE YOU RIPPED ASS NEAR IT! Magnetic tape does not work that way, you aren't cutting a goddamn phonograph when you record Seinfeld off the TV.

>>11842498
>>11842517
>>11842562
Glad some zoomers that weren't even alive when this technology was used are able to tell me about experiences I had myself in my real life because they read something on wikipedia lmao.

I sneezed near a VCR and it raped me

11842590
You don't even deserve a (You)
You're a troll who thinks we can't tell you are making up shit and accusing anyone who doesn't believe your retarded story of being a "zoomer". That behavior itself is indictive of actual zoomers. Magnetic tape literally does not work that way, that's like saying you once spilled beer on your Atari and it made it play Colecovision games.

>>11842476
>You didn't get most of your movies from bootleg man or recording them off tv I see. Faggot. Our VCR was so shit you couldn't even talk in the room when recording or else it would pick up your conversation. Mom was absolutely pissed when she tried to watch titanic and during the scene in the car you can hear by brother fart for no less than 7 seconds and my dad yelling, "God dammit Thomas I'm recording that stupid movie your mom wants to see, go in the back yard if you want to shit yourself."
i dont care if your story is fake or not,i laughed hysterically for a good 10 seconds .
thats prime greentext material.

>>11842124 (OP)
your the greatest poster here

>>11842416
is it even possible to fix that through emulation? i mean i'm sure it's possible in theory, but my understanding was that sprite flickering is the result of deliberate programming to circumvent hardware limitations.

>>11842223
so many demented weeb thots came buckets to this fucking edgelord. its unreal

>>11843013
Yes, the option is called "remove sprite limit" in most emulators (nes, snes, genesis, pc engine among others). You won't see glichy sprites anymore when multiple enemies are on the screen, but the tradeoff is of course if something was designed to flicker (like when being hit) you probably won't see that either (I say probably because I can't remember and can't test it right now). I prefer to have it enabled despite that, it cleans up the image inmensively, specially on nes games.

>>11842495
what caused the textures to warp? the hardware being too shitty? I don't get why it would be computationally less intensive to warp them

>>11843013
Depends how it was implemented. Many emulators have an option to disable the sprite limit, but from my understanding the game would have had to rely on actually trying to draw too many sprites and hitting a hardware limit. Some did this intentionally for special effects, others they were just shitty developers and/or didn't care and it was unintentional. If the game intentionally coded sprites to flicker in software so they can have more control over it or to pull off a specific effect like transparency that setting likely won't do anything.

It also usually wasn't just a base "X amount of sprites on screen" but systems all had their quirks. The NES for example had a limit of 8 sprites per scanline, not just 8 sprites on screen period. And don't forget that NES sprites were small, many objects/characters were made of more than one sprite put together (Mario in SMB is four sprites for example, he alone takes up two of the eight per scanline).

>>11843356
The PS1's GPU lacked floating point numbers and a Z-buffer. Floating numbers are pretty important for 3D rendering. In fact, if you ever played a 3D game new or modern where you was able to go out of bounds indefinitely and after a while saw the 3D model on screen falling apart (easy to do this in Big Rigs), that was due to the floating point numbers being forced to switch to less and less accurate versions because they are becoming too big to calculate from how much distance you have moved away from the intended game area.

I know many here won't care for MVG but he did have a good video about why these limitations caused the warping:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8TO-nrUtSI

>>11842139
Don't bring the faggot up.

>>11842590
Magnetic farts are an extremely rare phenomena please understand.

>>11842409
g-police had serious jello texture warping

>>11843439
>If the game intentionally coded sprites to flicker in software so they can have more control over it or to pull off a specific effect like transparency that setting likely won't do anything.

On the NES hardware a flag is put up when the sprite limit is hit, and that's all it does, the flickering is always done in software. The "no sprite limit" function on emulators makes sure that flag doesn't turn on, so as long as the game uses that flag to determine when the flicker should occur then the routine will never trigger.

There are still extreme circumstances with sprite flicker even with the "no sprite limit" function though, even in games where that does reduce the flicker, so I'm not sure what's up with that. Maybe it just raises the limit rather than getting rid of it entirely.

Also the sprite limitation is genuinely one of the reasons why NES games are good.

Wanna know why NES Castlevania or Mega Man games have such dynamic level design with height differences everywhere, while games like Rondo of Blood, or Mega Man X (or worse, X4) are a lot more flat?
The sprite limit. On NES the sprite limit gave them no choice, on later platforms they could afford to have lazy level design.

>>11842124 (OP)
I don't see a lot of texture warping here, what I'm seeing a lot of is geometry snapping to integer values

>>11842562
>the bad kind of autism
I guess VHS can't record video either since the magnetic tape is 'sealed away' in a plastic case

>>11844284
You're an idiot

>>11842562
Are you implying that plastic stops magnetic waves, electrical interference, sounds and really anything other than dust or light?

>>11842223
Made for dicking

>>11844736
The plastic would stop sound waves and wind from interfering with the tape during use, yes. If you manage to fart strong enough that it gets through the plastic enough to vibrate the tape while it's playing then you would have no ass left afterwards. Also farts do not produce magnetic waves, which are the only things that could possibly influence the recording on the tape, and even all that would do is cause static, not record the damn fart on the tape.

Your brain has less mass than a fart if you can't see that.

>>11845186
By your understanding, a device such as this cannot exist, because sound does not vibrate the magnetic tape in the cassette. "There's just no way!"

>>11845420
You really suck at trolling, intentionally misinterpreting the argument on purpose just makes you look retarded for not understanding it.

>>11845727
Actually (I'm only half the replies to you) I've been trying to help you understand without spoon feeding you but you seem really to be challenged so, fine I'll do it: The electronics write to the magnetic tape, when it's recording, right? An array of analogue electronics. The kind of analogue parts that are all unavoidably coupled to transduce mechanical energy. Maybe you're not old enough to have felt a 90s style power supply brick vibrating.
For some reason, in a way that we would normally expect from an autistic infant, you latched onto only one mechanism that occured to you, that the sounds physically jiggle the tape itself (as that that would actually be recorded, as if the tape is being scored with a needle like an vinyl LP, lmao). Can you now conceive now that I've spoon fed it to you that physical vibrations can induce interfering currents in electronic components, such as those that are writing to the tape? That old and unmaintained electronic parts go out of their designed operating ranges into ones where complex unmodeled effects lead to unpredictable interactions between them and the environment?

>>11845743
>Condescending bullshit exposing further that you don't know what you're talking about

You know it's better to shut the fuck up than to open your mouth and expose that you're a retard to the rest of the world right?

Yes, I know the basics of how a tape works, I also know this means that VCRs wind the tape rather tight and it's not just going to loosely wiggle or you would not get an image at all, you aren't going to get it to jiggle from just yelling near it, or farting. And even if you somehow managed to, this would just result in a horrifically mangled recording on that part of the tape, it's not going to record whatever was said onto to the tape as if it was a vinyl record. I know you are too much of a zoom zoom to know what a vinyl record is, but that's how those worked, through recording vibrations of sound, that's not how magnetic tapes work however.

I know you was trying really really hard to sound intelligent by trying to look up a lot of big words you clearly didn't even understand, but all it did was further show you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, go fart near a VCR some more zoomie.

>>11842476
Most people watched most movies via rentals. Copying rentals did not make them look like shit

>>11845420
Anon, no offence but those have microphones

>>11846227
oh, i've been taking bait lol. hats off, you had me

>>11846269
a microphone is coils of wire moving to induce a current. plenty of things inside a dilapidated vcr that have a chance to act as such

>>11846278
Unless your voice causes magnetic signals, I don't see that happening, you probably had either grounding issues or a bad cap or something

>>11846237
>Copying rentals did not make them look like shit
picrel

>>11842476
>dad recorded movies by setting up the family camcorder and microphone and just pointing it toward the tv.

>>11842409
Since other anons are retarded and have never set up a living room before. This anons story is entirely plausible through various means not limited to, an incorrectly set up sound system, a very unique VCR, an odd television, there's plenty of other factors that could go into it that I'm not even thinking of but if you retards really believe this story is impossible then I don't know what to tell you guys.

>>11847392
Meant for
>>11842476

>>11847392
There are many factors, everyone here agrees on that
Including the ones you stated
Just not speaking while it's recording

>>11848326
I do not understand what this post is trying to say, it's possible but it's not?

>>11848728
It's not possible, the VCR would only record what it's getting from it's inputs, not any nearby sounds no matter how shitty the VCR is or how much Taco Bell you had. I suppose if you had a really ghetto setup of a camera pointed at the screen to record it that would work (Why the fuck would you do it that way though? That's both harder and more expensive than recording off the TV or using two VCRs to duplicate a tape, and it would give you a lower quality recording than either of those methods as well) but that's still not a "shitty VCR" recording nearby sounds but instead the microphone of the camera picking up the sounds, even a professional VCR that cost as much as a car would record any nearby sounds in that case, because then you just have a damn microphone connected to it's input.

There are no other factors where nearby sound waves would somehow get digitally encoded onto a magnetic tape just by being close to the VCR. Tapes are not vinyl records, they don't work by vibrating. Really really badly shielded equipment might pick up RADIO waves that carry sound and if those radio waves (which are already electromagnetic, and NOT vibrations in the air like you ripping ass would be) get picked up by unshielded cables or other input circuitry of the VCR there is a chance those might get written to the tape, but that would be just static from a nearby appliance or radio broadcasts, not real world sounds.

>>11848789
>VCR would only record what it's getting from it's inputs
Yeah that's my point, if you have a microphone input and plug a speaker into it that speaker will act as a microphone and pick up the sound and record it to the VCR.

You kids don't even understand what a big deal it was to play an RPG with resident evil sized characters.

>>11848971
But the only reason you would have a microphone input is if you for some insane reason was recording something off the TV by using a video camera instead of just using the VCR itself. >>11842476 never mentioned a camera, he just said "Our VCR was so shit you couldn't even talk in the room when recording or else it would pick up your conversation".

No VCR is THAT shitty since it would have to be so shit that it breaks the laws of physics in order to pull something like that off. It would be like saying that your CD drive was so shitty that if you were yelling while ripping a CD it would record your voice onto the MP3, that's just not fucking possible or how any of that works.

>>11848971
1 time I farted and you could hear it on the video tape my dad was recording. He was pissed.

>>11842476
Hey zoomie, you are not a good liar.

>>11845420
>I said my vcr recorded ambient room audio
>see here is an audio recorder to prove it
Holy faggot

>>11848982
You haven't ever worked with analogue electronics, that's why you think it's the same as the CD situation. At various points along the way between the tv's tuner and the tape, is a signal representing the broadcast sound that is just a time varying voltage, actually just a voltage shaped exactly like the sound wave, with no conversion to any other kind of code. And that signal is being carried on a wire or circuit trace or within a component that involves a coil of wire. It's easily conceivable for a wire that carries the speaker signal to be next to one of these things, and for oscillating current in that wire to induce current in the signal wire. Of course that's something you consider when you design the circuit, and try to mitigate, including given predictions for how the parts will degrade. But that's done statistically and there only has to be one VCR among millions where these components aged and splayed out in such a way that the cross-talk happened, for anon's story is believable. And that's entirely plausible

>>11852182
>You haven't ever worked with analogue electronics
Zoomies like you should not make assumptions, you just end up making yourselves look even dumber.

>At various points along the way between the tv's tuner and the tape, is a signal representing the broadcast sound that is just a time varying voltage, actually just a voltage shaped exactly like the sound wave, with no conversion to any other kind of code
1. This would not in any way translate an actual physical sound wave into an electronic one
2. I already covered this in >>11848789 where electromagnetic interference can cause this, but here is the thing: FARTS ARE NOT ELECTROMAGNETIC!

Yes, I already know all this shit, because I lived through it, and I had to deal with too many analog devices being too close together causing interference with each other.

> And that's entirely plausible
No it's not! He farted and talked near the VCR and this somehow got recorded onto the tape when recording off the TV? Everything you just described shows how this could NOT happen, which makes me question if you even knew what you was talking about or just copy-pasted it from somewhere.

This is why I said zoomies like you should just STFU instead of speak and make yourselves look even stupider. Humans do not have a broadcast antenna in their mouths, or in their ass no matter how much you sound like you have something up there. In no scenario would just talking or farting in the general vicinity of a VCR make it somehow pick those up and record them as sound on tape. Do you even understand what that anon claimed? He didn't say he picked up sounds from a nearby radio or another TV or any shit like that which could be slightly plausible, he said he farted and talked, from ANOTHER ROOM, and that his VCR was apparently "so shitty" that it somehow recorded this on the tape. Unless you had a microphone connected to the VCR that cannot happen.

>>11843356
It's the lack of perspective correct texture mapping.

>>11852664
>FARTS ARE NOT ELECTROMAGNETIC
people already explained to you that a speaker (e.g. in the tv) acts as a microphone which transduces sound into a voltage signal (it's not the only example of things that can do that). I don't think there's much point continuing to talk to you though because several different people have directly told you this key concept, that unintended conversion of sound to eletromagnetic signal is possible within the scenario, but you have each time reverted to screaming that the fart itself is not electromagnetic. You are doing it on purpose

>>11842476
Based hick family

Some amazing videogame-related schizoposting going on here.

>>11852908
I don't think this anon understands that People can, and regularly did fuck up audio set ups back in the day, this is why everything just uses HDMI these days. Once there's more than 1 cable to deal with it is inevitable that someone fucks up and plugs shit in the wrong hole.

>>11851739
What movie?

>>11852908
A speaker in a setup that bad would not be picking up speech from across the room unless you was shouting your ass off (and even then it's suspect because of how many things would have to be designed badly for that to happen), and again, that has nothing to do with the VCR being so shitty that it's somehow magically converting sound waves into electronic signals.

You repeatedly seem to catastrophically misunderstand the argument, again and again, and I am getting fucking tired of correcting your ass that the anon claimed that the VCR itself was somehow so "shitty" that just farting near it captures that audio on tape. You know as damn well as I do that is fucking impossible. Capturing it through EMI (which I mentioned) is not what the anon said, capturing it through a microphone (which I mentioned) or a speaker so badly wired up that it's acting like one is not what the anon said.

You keep explaining shit I already know because you repeatedly fail to understand the actual argument, and then act smug in your ignorance from thinking that others are not understanding you. I understand you perfectly, YOU however don't understand the actual argument and repeatedly make a fool out of yourself every time. I have a hard time believing YOU are not just trolling on purpose at this point by acting so ignorant.

>You didn't get most of your movies from bootleg man or recording them off tv I see. Faggot. Our VCR was so shit you couldn't even talk in the room when recording or else it would pick up your conversation. Mom was absolutely pissed when she tried to watch titanic and during the scene in the car you can hear by brother fart for no less than 7 seconds and my dad yelling, "God dammit Thomas I'm recording that stupid movie your mom wants to see, go in the back yard if you want to shit yourself."

THAT is what that Anon said. Not his setup, not his cables, but the VCR itself doing it. That anon's farts were more intelligent than you at this point.

>>11842124 (OP)
>Texture warping?
Imagine leaving crisp pixel art for that. It fucking sucked.

>>11853951
>Imagine leaving crisp pixel art for that
The crisp pixel art of SNES over RGB? ah no, everyone used the default smeary setup that was nothing like you believe it was.

>>11853619
>the VCR itself
sure, do you know what's inside there? and do you also know how a microphone is made? It's just conductors that the sound pushes around so they are moving relative to each other. There's a lot of conductors in a VCR.
I could honestly probably get a breadboard and two random components right now and make a circuit that on its paper schematic doesn't have any external interaction, but by slotting the leg of one component into the board in just such a fucked up half-out way, get it so talking near the board will put the audio envelope onto a scope.

>>11853558
Harold and Kumar Goes To White Castle

>>11842139
I think only BallisticNG has actually managed to make it look good, and with multiple settings you can set how shitty it looks or just certain tweaks for partial retro.

>>11854710
>sure, do you know what's inside there?
Yes
>and do you also know how a microphone is made?
Yes
>It's just conductors that the sound pushes around so they are moving relative to each other. There's a lot of conductors in a VCR.
No, just because many things in many electronics can act as a conductor does not mean they will encode any wayward audio to a tape, again, video tapes are not just a recording of vibrations. You aren't going to be sending audio data into the heads and making that wayward EMI encode exactly into how audio on a tape would.

You have to be trolling at this point, it's pointless responding to this nonsense. Do fart by some VCRs in a desperate attempt to manage to make it magically record onto the tape without a microphone.

>>11853619
>but the VCR itself doing it.
You do realize that not everyone is a super nerd, considering he was young and his dad (most likely) set up everything how the fuck would he know. You're going on an autistic rant about semantics when there were multiple explanations to why this would happen.
Are you incapable of critical thinking?

>>11855528
Except that anon claimed he knew what he was doing and anyone who didn't experience this just didn't have as shitty as VCR as him and must be a zoomer.

Again, I have explained how something like that MIGHT happen... if you was close to the VCR, but said anon also claimed that someone in another room farted and was yelled at for it, and you can hear both of those in the recording, which is a massive stretch even with all of these conditions.

Again, this was his claim:
>You didn't get most of your movies from bootleg man or recording them off tv I see. Faggot. Our VCR was so shit you couldn't even talk in the room when recording or else it would pick up your conversation.

Which does not hold up even under those conditions.

>>11844282

correct. Op is teh dumb.

>>11855576
If that's how you take it man.

I played a lot of "PS1 games" on PC at the time, so a lot of this genuinely just looks like bad graphics to me.

>>11855576
several times in this thread you talked about him pretending to be in ANOTHER room, only to quote him in your same post saying that they were in the SAME room. Several times. That is some high grade autism.

>>11842495
Are you seriously implying the warped version looks better?

>>11855274
>encode
haha I knew it. He gives himself away. He's a kid that grew up in the digital era and literally can't conceive how the 'analogue' in analogue electronics means analogy: sound pressure goes up and down, voltage goes up and down. 'Encoding' lmao. No wonder you're so lost, picturing some MPEG processing FFT inside a chip being interrupted by vibration.

> You aren't going to be sending audio data into the heads
That's precisely what the installed circuitry does with the analogue audio signal which only needs to be catch mechanically mediated interference at the point prior to that.
Don't reply please, everyone else can understand it, you are a basket case. You probably need medicine, not other people's explanation efforts.

>>11856267
>Trolling trolls of trolls
>More "You are clearly a zoomer" bait

Yeah, you are definitely just being a troll at this point. All you are doing is revealing that you are the zoomie trying to point fingers at everyone else hoping it deflects others from finding out about you. The fact that you think the term "encoding" only appeared in the digital era is proof of that, you're trying too hard to try to lie about your true age.

Take your own advice and stop replying, you are clearly just trying to bump this topic every time it's about to die to keep he trolling going. Go troll on Instagram or whatever the hell kids your age use these days.