>be nintendo
>advertise your new fighting game as having all your favourite nintendo characters
>only usable characters are Jigglypuff, Princess Peach and a bunch of obscure characters from forgotten franchises
Bravo Nintendo!

This missed opportunity to use the final destination meme shows your age.

>>muh srs competition

>>11848415 (OP)
All of the characters are usable if you aren't a soulless freak. You're probably also the same kind of autist that would cry about the patched Shindou version of Mario 64 because you can't "speedrun" it even though you weren't going to do that anyway. Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the video game you pathetic cunt.

>>11848468
No, I don't think I will.

>>11848470
wow you certainly showed me

>>11848468
I do enjoy the game, I just think it's hilarious.

>>11848415 (OP)
I'm taking the bait, Nintendo didn't intend for it to be some hyper autistic legit fighing game, they wanted a silly random party game. It's why Brawl went out it's way to piss Final Destination people off.

>>11848478
>add in random tripping just to fuck with people
Absolutely hilarious.

>>11848415 (OP)
Before the proliferation of autism on the internet people didn't immediately try to break a game and figure out the "meta" or whatever. The idea of playing tournaments or whatever would be seen as somewhat ludicrous and childish.

>>11848836
1999 Smash 64 tournament run by Nintendo where most of the winners were Kirby and Pikachu, who are still the two best characters in the game.
https://www.ssbwiki.com/Tournament:Smash_Bros._Fighting_Battle:_Smash_Bros._Meijin_Deciding_Game

>>11848827
Wait, so the tripping is random? I thought my nunchuck was failing.

>>11848987
I think the odds are about once in every 50 runs you'll trip. There's actually an animation for each character. There's some other "anti-competitive" features they put into the game to discourage what happened with Melee. Plus it plays slower.
They eventually decided to just start catering to the competitive fans with the next game though.

>>11848836
>The idea of playing tournaments or whatever would be seen as somewhat ludicrous and childish.
Wrong, besides who cares if children playing game seems childish?
We had a tournament at a "lock in" when I was in high school. Items on, random stage, 2v2. Me and my friend came in second place. Was probably 2001 or early 2002.

>>11849024
I had a high school tournament where I came in second too. It's silly of him to say that tournaments were considered ludicrous, but I think it's also true that people generally thought less about the competitive tournament side of things. On average, people were more casual about Smash in the early 2000s, and less interested in seriously training for the game or competing. Now even casual players think about ranked modes and read about or watch high level players, while in the past you had to go out of your way more to see the high level side. Smash as just a fun party game you don't take too seriously isn't as popular of a view, for better or for worse.

I enjoy both casual messing around and taking the game seriously, just noting how perspectives about Smash seem to have shifted to some degree over the years.

aw sweet, my favorite kind of threads: casualfags complaining about tourneyfags

Both sides are retarded
Tournaments can be a lot of fun, pushing a game/character to its absolute limit is great. People say they prefer playing "for fun" but I would argue that the people playing seriously at tournaments are actually having a great deal more fun than casual players. The thrill of competitive at its highest level is really great.
However, none of that has any impact on people playing casually at home. The best characters are only the best when you use them at their highest efficiency, when you understand why they are the best and how to use them. At a casual level, the tier list is irrelevant - hell, even at an intermediate level.

>>11849049
It's a kids' game where cartoon characters punch each other. If you feel silly taking it seriously you should.

>>11849117
>People say they prefer playing "for fun" but I would argue that the people playing seriously at tournaments are actually having a great deal more fun than casual players. The thrill of competitive at its highest level is really great.
Oh yeah I totally agree, maybe I should've said something different than "fun party game" here >>11849045.
>>11849117
>However, none of that has any impact on people playing casually at home. The best characters are only the best when you use them at their highest efficiency, when you understand why they are the best and how to use them. At a casual level, the tier list is irrelevant - hell, even at an intermediate level.
Yeah, I don't get why casual players are bothered by tournament players or the existence of tiers in general.

>>11849117
>>11849130
I think casual players get their knickers in a knot when they have "that friend" who insists on Fox only, Final Destination, no items.
Instead of telling "that friend" to fuck off, they harbor an intense hatred for the entire competitive scene for poisoning their fun.

>>11849135
That's probably it honestly

>>11849049
Tourneyfags are literal cancer, and it doesn't help that most people you meet wanting to play melee insist on tourneyfaggotry.

>>11849049
it's amazing how mad casuals get at better players having more fun with the game than they ever will

>>11849164
There is no alternative world where a significant amount of people want to play Melee casually in 2025. The alternative to competitive players is not a huge group of normal players, it's just the game having no player at all.

>>11849172
pro Melee players all look like the most unhappy people in the world
like speedrunners always dangerously close to trooning out or offing themselves

>>11849178
Eh, there's a difference though between pro and non-casual though
>>11849174
Probably true. Which old multiplayer games have big communities of casual players nowadays anyway? Anyone interested in any older competitive games is usually more seriously invested I think.

>>11849182
>Which old multiplayer games have big communities of casual players nowadays anyway?
Team Fortress 2

>>11849018
No one liked random tripping, even casuals. It was bad game design. Even shitpost mods like Brawl- remove it.

>>11849182
There's a few old multiplayer game with active casual players but they are all PC games focused on online play. Melee is a console game focused on local multiplayer.

>>11849185
>>11849192
Yeah I had old local multiplayer console games in mind mostly. TF2 is a good example though.

Time to talk about melee.

1. Melee is in top 3 fighting games all time (for me alongside 3s and mvc2)
2. Character viability is across the board spectacular. It would take you minimum a year to defeat a good pichu player. While it's true fox is effectively locked in top tier, there is so much you can do to fastfallers that dk, peach, falcon, other tiers can beat even the best foxes (moky, ibdw). Characters have revolutions all the time from armadas peach to wizzys falcon to today aklo link, many great dks coming out, even ganon (mekk or whoever that banned player is). The magic of the game design allows so much optionality for even the slowest least mobile of characters. It's why all other smash games other than smash 64 are useless trash, because in those games the character dictates in the movement. In melee, YOU dictate the movement. Even moreso than wavedashing, it is wave landing that is the true unique genius of this game, because it lets you move verticality as fast or as slow as you want/are able to pull off. Teeter cancelling/no impact platform landing, and myriad of other movement details add so much options for the player dictating speed and maneuverability.

DI is utter utter genius. It's why melee puts all other fighting games to shame. DI predicting, mixups, defensive DI, smash DI, everything becomes a dance between you and your opponent. Compare this to..durr my low kick landed time to confirm with this same old combo I practiced 5000 times aren't I good? In melee it is, I know this marth is afraid of my upthrow up air, so I will fthrow him instead, he will sharp di to the right, letting me dash jump cancel upsmash him.

>>11849259
The other half of melees genius is self expression. No other game allows people to express and imprint their own personality into the gameplay as strongly as melee. In melee, you can have two completely different play styles, two completely different personalities that shine through playing the same character. A great example is falcon: s2j vs wizzys vs none. S2j goes for high overwhelming speed, none goes for strong reads and power play, wizz goes from calculated tech chases and methodical play. Expressiveness obv exists in all fighting games, but nothing comes close to melee because of aforementioned movement options, DI, custom combos, and 100 other things that dictate the player's play outside of their character's base statistics.

To be fair, as the game has gotten hyper optimized in recent years, this seems to be cooling off. It's why the golden age of melee was a long time ago

>>11849259
>>11849275
It really is an amazing game. I should get back into it sometime.
>DI is utter utter genius.
True.

Even at a casual level I feel that Melee is the most fun in the series. Moving around feels great.

>>11848415 (OP)
Obscure characters like Yoshi, yeah..

>>11848415 (OP)
go wavedash yourself off a fucking bridge

>>11849548
>not ledge
low wit

>>11848836
people have been doing fighting game tournaments since the early 90s, zoom zoom

>>11848836
this post reeks of pseudo-intellectualism lol
>"i said proliferation and ludicrous and demeaned childish practices, i know what i'm talking about!"
>says the most retarded shit ever

>>11849164
>people who spend time on something insist on doing it well
>can u habeeb dis shit???
lmfao. schmootz

>>11849259
DI isn't even an intended mechanic, it's a glitch like wavedashing and L-canceling

>>11849560
yes, and they were childish and cringe. they were the burnouts and weirdos your mom didn't want you hanging out with.

>>11849568
you wouldn't know, zoom zoom, you weren't there.

>>11849045
Yeah, everything used to be more about fun, this website included. I just wanted to point out that people were interested in a competitive side of the game back then, better or worse.
Of course you wanted to win but it was fun either way.
I remember a halo ce lan party from those days. Me and my friends got shit on by the other teams but it was fun as fuck. I wish things hadn't changed.

>>11848468
This. I bet OP has an autistic meltdown every time someone wants to play with items on and all stages on.

>>11849578
>everything used to be more about fun, this website included
holy fucking revisionist history, newfag

>>11848415 (OP)
>a bunch of obscure characters from forgotten franchises
Skill issue on your part. At least they're actual Nintendo characters and not fucking Sonic and Minecraft

>>11849582
Shut the fuck up faggot.

Meleefags are the #1 reason why I opposed allowing 6th gen on /vr/.

>>11849590
>s-stop pointing out how I wasnt here

>>11849605
You really want to have a slap fight over if I was here or not you retard? I don't really care anon, go find someone else to give you attention.

>>11849609
what fight? you weren't here. end of story.

>>11849578
>>11849582

>>11848415 (OP)
They made the game in 1 year and didn't give a fuck about fgc try hards
>>11848468
Also this, some guy won a world tournament with Yoshi

>>11849619
>look, some zoomer made a meme
>that makes it true

>>11849621

>>11849643
>haha look they had different memes back then
yes, and?
please stop embarrassing yourselves, zoomers

>>11849578
>I remember a halo ce lan party from those days. Me and my friends got shit on by the other teams but it was fun as fuck.
The Smash tournament I mentioned was in a house holding a Halo CE LAN party at the same time. Good times.
>I wish things hadn't changed.
I definitely miss some things about how things were, but having bigger competitive communities and more easy access to knowledge is fun too in its own way. Plus it's way easier to play any game you want, so current gaming has ups and downs.

The main thing I miss is just casually getting on a couch with friends/family and playing local multiplayer. You can still do it nowadays, but most people just play together online instead. That's something nice about fighting games, there's locals so you can actually have people to play with offline. Different vibe than playing with your siblings and high school friends at home, but still nice having groups to play with in-person, especially if you meet good people.

Casual couch multiplayer with friends was fun in a different way though, shame its not as popular. I think that's what a lot of people are really missing, more than just a shift towards competitiveness.

>>11848415 (OP)
Works out perfectly imo. For casuals any character is fine and functional. But if youre gonna play the fame for 20 years autistically, this means you don't have to hear fucking Mario going HOO HOO WAHHAAA YIPPEE constantly. Falcon, Marth, Sheik, Fox, and Falco are cool and create a different atmosphere than a game full of strictly Mario characters.
Also, Donkey Kong, Samus, Pikachu, and Ice Climbers are all good characters. Arguably Luigi too

>>11849656

>Jigglypuff
>useable
Elaborate on that

>>11849675
Yeah it was. These guys were hardcore at this lan. I remember my mind being blown when one dude tossed a grenade as he went through a portal on that one foresty stage and I ran right into it. He insta killed me as I exited the other side. I was so pissed.
You're right it isn't all bad nowadays and I am appreciative of the fact that I got to live through that with the bros.
And no shit, you might not believe this but i was just thinking something similar yesterday. It's having someone to play with, that's what's different. I haven't been on this board in like 6 months but I came here trying to reignite the embers and play some games. I wanted to stop endlessly scrolling the internet like a queer and get back into something i used to love.
It just seemed like every time recently when I'd go to play something I'd get bored quick and do something else. Then yesterday I was thinking and came to the conclusion that its the people I'm missing. They give you a reason to play, to do a lot of things really. Don't ever take them for granted.

>>11848415 (OP)
a skilled roy can beat any fox

>>11849735
dimwitted post

Are you seriously implying that starfox was "forgotten" back in 2001? You do know Adventures came out a year after that, right?

>>11848415 (OP)
I actually like that these obscure Nintendo characters were given a second life and identity through Melee. Mixed with the Y2K futurism vibe, its peak kino.
Btw, people played F-Zero and Starfox when melee came out, and puff was popular in the Pokemon anime.

>>11848468
>any character is usable

go practice bowser or kirby for a few months against randoms in slippi and get back to me on that, retard-kun.