What a steaming turd compared to the first game.

>>11854815 (OP)
They finally fixed the aiming on controller, with a smooth aiming curve in all directions (compared to the ultra-fast cardinal movements and glacial diagonal movements of the first game), and the jumping feels way less awkward. So it's a shame everything else is worse.

The story, writing, voice acting, attention to detail, level design, gore, artstyle, and challenge are all totally neutered.

Also wtf is up with the awful motion blur and only getting one difficulty to start with when the game is already so easy even on the hardest setting.

Just goes to show that soul and passion will always outweigh a big budget

>>11854815 (OP)
You already posted this.

>>11854815 (OP)
MP2 an improvement in every way. 3 is the one that completely shits the bed.

>>11854958
It's a complete downgrade across the board in every category.

>>11854973
Not true. The graphics are beautiful.

I love MP1, but there's a lot of things wrong with it's story

Not showing Max's undercover work is a big one for me and it's one of the biggest missed opportunities of the game.

B.B. disappearing from the story for basically hours and it feels like Max Payne just gets a lucky break to be able to get revenge on him.

There's more, but Max Payne 2 is a tight ship from top to bottom, and if you don't like it, you have neither heart nor soul nor brain.

both games rock you dumb brownoid.

>>11854985
Biggest rip off of Hard Boiled that I have ever seen.

>>11854985
>pre-aiming at every enemy
>doing a bunch of unnecessary gay flashy shit
so fucking lame. this game is piss-easy even on its hardest difficulty yet they lock you to the easiest difficulty your first playthrough

The writing and story and level design in particular are awful. It's no surprise this shit flopped hard and the series was put on ice.

>>11854815 (OP)
I liked it. Still leagues better than 3.

>>11854958
3 is the true sequel. 2 is a fan fiction. Consoomers will never understand this.

>>11855056
I like MP3 (after for years thinking I wouldn't enjoy it) but this is an insane cope post when SAM LAKE LITERALLY DIDN'T WRITE IT

3 is a rebootquel that mainly impresses retards like you, but for 1 and 2 enjoyers, you have to dig deeper to find the quality

>>11855061
>SAM LAKE LITERALLY DIDN'T WRITE IT
I told you, consoomer, you'll never understand.

>>11855083
I understand you're an idiot.

The whole of Chapter 11 seems to only exist to make Max look like a giant retard

>Gawrsh guys where are you going :D???

MP3 is not compelling noir (or even neonoir) fiction my dude.

Last Man Standing is also genuinely a dog shit mechanic that doesn't work half the time and a lot of the time, puts you in a worse position than before. Old School difficulty should've been the games default because the game actually plays well in this mode.

>>11854815 (OP)
no it's great. you are a retarded subhuman.

Everyone thinks 2 is inferior if they play 1 and 2 back to back or we even watched the youtube game movies once with someone who had not played these. The love story meme and more grounded detective type work feels underwhelming after the roller coaster in 1.

>>11855086
I think luck is just factored into the Last Man mechanic. It's not designed to save you 100% every time you forgot to take painkillers, it means that if you are lucky you can still get a shot back at who tried to kill you. Also it takes in to account how many bullets you had left in the mag so you can't spam it either.

I haven't played both in like 20 years, but I vividly remember that MP2 felt like it was designed for bullet time to be used for every single encounter, whereas in the first game it felt like a cool bonus that wasn't even mandatory to use.

And using bullet time all the time got old fast for me.

>>11854815 (OP)
incel moment

>>11855463
Based. Fuck women.

>>11854815 (OP)
MP1 was a well written dark gritty classic kino
MP2 was a pretentious reddit pseud ''inisisting upon itself'' slop

another example of developers confusing their first game's success with their stupid story. absolutely no one wanted to be numax frolicking around his police station
>le film noir love story
fucking cringe, get this mona bitch the fuck out of my game

>>11854815 (OP)
The only real issue with the game is that you can beat it in like 4 to 5 hours and a third of those you spend in a construction site. Other than that, I enjoyed the gameplay and the story. I loved the atmosphere and how you could explore places like the police station or the apartments and hear new dialogue. I do wish the NYM mode was the same as in the first game though, but Last Man Standing is pretty fun.

More like Mona Sucks!

>>11855742
Mona Sax?
More like Mona Sex.

Max Payne 1:
>annoying 'cutscene' levels you can't skip
>nearly 1/3rd of the game takes place in generic buildings that blends together
>plot wanders around without much direction until the 3rd act
>a few really annoying gimmick levels
Max Payne 2:
>annoying 'cutscene' levels you can't skip
>nearly 1/3rd of the game takes place in generic construction site that blends together
>plot wanders around without much direction until the 3rd act
>a few really annoying gimmick levels
MP2 depends on bullet time for combat more than the first game, but they are really similar.

>>11855772
>plot wanders around without much direction until the 3rd act
In MP1 he always has a goal in each act. First he goes after the underboss, then he goes after the don, then he goes after the ceo. Tho part 2 is a bit weird where he agrees to storm the harbor and doesn't even get that many weapons. Then he tries to meet the don at the restaurant because storming the manor would be impossible or something, then he just goes to manor anyway. It kind of fits the character like he doesn't know the full plot and he takes suicidal actions and only survives because he can quicksave and quickload.

In MP2 he doesn't want to contact Woden to know what's really going on but if he did at the beginning it could have been over, but the game happens over two nights anyway. MP1 happens over three nights. A lot happens there.

max payne 2 hate has to be the most fucking forced sequel hate I've ever seen on this website
I get dark souls 2, FEAR 2, hell, Fallout 2 even. But this one literally comes off like
>KEK, BASED! LOOK HOW OLDFAG I AM, DO I FIT IN YET GUYS?

>>11855871
Not retro and no one knows what the fuck you're talking about. People hate MP2 due to worse story, voice-acting, writing, characters, level design, challenge, and attention to detail

>>11855902
refer to >>11855772 .
also
>not retro
how does that change anything I said you drooling fucktard

>>11855902
>whaa? no one knows what you're talking about schizo! see, me and my FELLOW BASED ANONS, HATE THIS GAME. WE HATE IT! Aren't I one of the big boys now?

>>11855831
Yeah the ship yard segment goes on way too long and only occasionally has interesting gameplay. Act 3 has that parking garage which feels like filler but I think act 3 comes together well after that.

>>11855920
>>11855913
Someone needs a diaper change

>>11855871
Not hated but if you play 1 and 2 back to back for the first time, you will likely find 2 underwhelming.

>>11855949
This. It's immediately apparent the downgrades in almost every aspect except technical

>you see Mona Sax die in front of your eyes getting shot in the head
>she somehow survives and shows up in the sequel. It's never explicitly mentioned how and why and it's just handwaved
I like Max Payne 2, but this has always been complete bullshit to me.

>>11855961
Pretty sure that was her sister

But the biggest plot hole is WHY THE FUCK IS MAX DATING AND WHY THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO CARE ABOUT SOMEONE THAT LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL MAX

The whole premise of Max Payne 2 is dogshit, while Max Payne 1 is a classic revenge story that everyone can immediately understand the appeal.

>>11855948
try speaking for yourself instead of trying to convince me everyone has the same opinion as you, you fucking niggerfaggot.

>>11855964
It’s not a plot hole. You can infer from the surveillance tapes of Max’s apartment that he rings sex lines to offload on his wife’s death and obsession with Mona. I love Max Payne 2 as a sequel and genuinely don’t understand the hate but, oh well. More for me.

>>11855964
>WHY THE FUCK IS MAX DATING
Because he sees Mona as a replacement for his dead wife.
>WHY THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO CARE ABOUT SOMEONE THAT LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL MAX
Because Max himself doesn't care. He welcomes death, he enjoys putting his life in danger while fighting criminals, and Mona is his ticket back into that kind of life.

>>11856029
She's a booty call. Why the fuck would we get attached to a booty call if even Max shouldn't? Plus she tried to kill him, full stop

>>11856045
>She's a booty call.
Maybe at first, but he ends up falling for her.

>>11855954
I guess it's cool you more often have some sidekick to fight with you in 2, just to point out some cool things.

>>11855961
She gets shot in head but the body is not found but you can survive that and Max survives getting shot in the head in 2. After falling from height on his head + getting shot. People survive all kinds of stuff in these games.

>>11855964
It's not unrealistic that people fall in love even if it's stupid and Max and Mona were connected because they were the only people who would understand the events in the first game. But they get very little time to talk about it in 2 so it's not like they sit down and talk and then feel better because there's so much going on.

The bigger hand wave is how he doesn't get any sentence for +600 kills/murders in the first game and then he just works as a regular detective instead of being a glowie agent or something in return for not going to prison. I know the explanation was that he found the Woden sex tapes which he could bargain with but still.

The main reason is the writer wanted to write a police station love story drama for the 2nd game, which is why it feels different.

>>11856126
The player has no reason to care is the issue. The story is extremely contrived and doesn't connect nearly as well as the original

>>11855902
>worse voice acting
come the fuck on

>>11856287
MP1 has soul. MP2 has better (read: more expensive) talent, but they're phoning it in

>>11856270
And the player has reason to care about Max's wife and daughter who appear for one level? Or his partner Alex who appears for one cutscene? Or BB who is only mentioned in narration before you learn he betrayed you? The only reason the player cares about them is because Max does and therefore they develop his character, which is the same for Mona in 2.

>>11856045
The fuck are you struggling with?

>>11856329
They are his wife and kids, not a random booty call whore that tried to kill him. For fuck's sake man

>>11856332
Mona is not a random booty call whore to Max.

>>11856332
I think “media literacy” is a cunty phrase and I’m reluctant to use it but you’re making it very difficult. He lost his mind and he’s completely obsessed with her. The strapline for the game tells you the whole story is a love story. Fine, it clearly didn’t work for you but to struggle with the concept is another thing altogether. Never mind that Max himself narrates the whole process. I don’t think you’re that interested in the narrative anyway.

>>11856375
Maybe these recent threads are remedy devs trying to get insight for the remakes but I would think the development process is too far for these kind of adjustments or questions.

>>11856341
>>11856375
>Mona is not a random booty call whore to Max.
Again, but SHE SHOULD BE.

She is a random whore that tried to KILL HIM. No development of their relationship is shown, and she is a total piece of shit. I'm not saying it's inconceivable that he could fall for her, especially as he's a broken damaged man, but it's not a healthy or logical relationship in the slightest, none of the creation and growth of that relationship is shown to the viewer, and the viewer does not fucking care about their retarded relationship.

Meanwhile man has his family murdered, gets revenge, uncovers something bigger is a classic story trope FOR GOOD REASON, it's instantly recognizable, relatable, grounded, and invokes a very raw and primal sense of vengeance and justification to motivate the player/viewer.

>>11856475
Of course it's not a healthy relationship, but she's not your love interest, she's Max's, and Max doesn't really care if she's dangerous for him or not, he likes that kind of lifestyle. You personally don't care about their relationship, that doesn't mean nobody does. I found it entertaining, not necessarily because I want them to be together, but because it's interesting to see Max torn up between wanting to do his duty and chasing after a life with Mona.

>>11856475
>Doesn't know what a femme fatale is

I hate ESL Max Payne 2 haters

It's shit like this why I'll never take anyone who dislikes or hates MP2, because you fuckers DON'T KNOW DICK ABOUT THE GENRE!

>ESL
Why are you talking about a game made by "ESLs", /pol/tard?

>>11856521
It's my special way of saying you are brown and Sam Lake isn't.

>>11856512
esl here. is femme fatale something like french fries?

>>11856475
Do you get mad that the crew of the titanic hit that iceberg on a second rewatch AGAIN, the damn idiots? What YOU think “should” happen isn’t really relevant here.

>>11857103
Titanic only works because it's based on real life events

>>11856475
>Mona is not a random booty call whore to Max.
>but SHE SHOULD BE
People who complain about they "think" a story should be according to their headcanon are retarded. See also >>11856512

>>11858525
It's not about headcanon, it's just not a well written or engaging story at all

The game was just a product of being dumped a huge amount of money by Rockstar for a sequel and as a result is totally forced and phoned in

>>11858553
>it's just not a well written or engaging story at all
>The game was just a product of being dumped a huge amount of money by Rockstar for a sequel
But enough about Max Payne 3

There are two timelines
MP1 -> MP3
MP movie -> MP2

>everyday man who loses everything takes vengeance on the ones who killed his family and unveils a government coverup in the process

>retarded simp falls for whore who tried to kill him, and also the same organization from the first game is super duper angry and are sending a thousand faceless goons at you at all times!

Gee, I wonder which is more appealing

>>11858602
Why would I care which one is more appealing to the general public? I wouldn't be on an imageboard for retro videogames if I did.

>>11858773
MP1 is more appealing to anyone with an IQ over 80

>>11858993
This
>norse mythology replaced with generic christcuck shit

>>11858773
a little true but also most of this board dickrides mario and zelda and other very still-normie retro games

>>11859057
>popular=bad
Fuck off retarded shitstain

>>11854815 (OP)
Out of all three the first was my favorite
Fuck MP3

>>11859110
I didnt say they were bad, sensitive tard. I said they were normie, in response to the other anon implying the board has obscure taste alienating to normalfags. You have failed to comprehend a very straightforward simple sentence, and are either esl or a Nintoddler that got too emotional after half reading the sentence. If you reread the sentence you will find no value judgement, the phrase "dickrides" does not imply that the dickridden subject is bad

>>11854816
>They finally fixed the aiming on controller
The problem is that bullets don't go where I aim

>>11860545
You mean how (almost) every weapon has spread except like deagle, m4 and sniper? I think it's interesting every game has a bit different design choice in bullet spread & damage. Note that every game still has a multiplayer which favors headshots bu in general:
>1 is about shooting in the general direction of enemies and enemies are drugged up or otherwise tough
>2 still has similar bullet spread but realistic damage like 3 body shots and 1 headshot unless the enemy has armor
>3 seriously favors headshots, sometimes they require two headshots for a change, otherwise you can spend half or full m4 mag on an enemy

My opinion is that MP2 becomes an entirely different game if you install a mod where enemy damage is now 2-3x compared to normal, because the enemies actually get to use their AI and try to flank you and you get longer shootouts. If they just give up with the amount of force I described in vanilla, it just becomes too easy. MP1 is sometimes a bit spongey but not bad if you know what you are doing. MP3 could use a mod where it becomes more like MP1 or one of the MP2 mod I described, don't know if anyone has tried making one. It could break the game in certain points, not sure, but having a sniper pistol is just ridiculous like you can pinpoint shoot up to +100 meters or so. Maybe have the sniper pistol in the cool action scenes where you are given the challenge to shoot a tire or swing from a chain and try to shoot 10 guys who die with 1 hit.

I know
Im a big max payne fan
And the 2nd one sucks and is gay

>>11854815 (OP)
I want to inflict pain on everyone responsible for this game.
I'll go on a crusade to burn every physical copy of this game and dmca every dumped rom.

Absolutely! It's the Rockstar influence.