Constantly see this game heralded as one of the greats, at least one of them ends up on every 'top RPGs of all time' list. Seemed like required playing, along with Xenogears and Wild Arms. Yet my reaction with this game is exactly the same as my reaction with those two games: it's just another fucking jrpg. I can swear I've already played this. Admittedly I'm only 20 minutes into the game but that's all it took. I'm wondering if I should carry on with this probably 80+ hour game. Is anything here unique or worth pushing on for?

I dunno.

I've only played the first game, but it is very underwhelming for the amount of praise it gets. The battle system is very basic. You will primarily use basic attacks and healing items for most of the game, and the nature of your magic gems that grant you magic gives you a limited usage of spell charges so you end up saving those to dump onto bosses. Customization is almost basic outside of the ability to allocate spell gems to characters. You have an item on a character and you pay a blacksmith to linearly upgrade your equipment.

The positives are that the game is breezy, very little need to grind. It's short, clocking in around 20~25 hours. If you like collecting characters, well there's a ton of them for you. If you want a simplistic RPG to turn your brain off to.

If you need something to hook you mechanically like battle mechanics, character customization, how characters develop mechanically, or alternative ways to progress through the game then you will be sorely disappointed with Suikoden.

>>11855445 (OP)
Saw my roommate playing it. I think people like the huge character roster and it makes you feel like the leader of an army and gives you a base of operations where your people live. The magic animations aren't bad and he played the gambling minigame a lot

>>11855445 (OP)
Doesn't Psycho Mantis in MGS call you a fan if he sees a save file in your memory?

>>11855458
>>11855461
Oh so that's it, there's a bunch of units to collect. That adds some flavor at least tho not intrinsically different from just being able to customize a core party with some sort of job system. Except you have to level up each character individually (I'm assuming). If the games really that short I suppose it may be worth it.

[Maybe I'm just growing out of turn based RPGs]

>>11855476
Oh MGS, another overhyped PS1 game that disappointed me. I'm gonna stop taking game recommendations from Gen X chuds

>>11855445 (OP)
Retarded ADD zoomie

>>11855478
Yeah. The biggest difference among characters is if they have a short, medium, or long reach with their weapons to determine if they'll be placed in front or back ranks, and certain character combos have their own skill. Most of the game you won't be utilizing those skills because you lack that combination of characters.

Not sure what you're exactly seeking with JRPGs. Personally my favorite one on the PS1 is SaGa Frontier, but that often turns off typical fans due to no tutorials on explaining its various mechanics, very little guidance on how to progress at times leaving the initiative with the player, and grappling with character growth mechanics with four races that all develop through differing methods.

>>11855505
You're right instead of making inferences about the game from my extensive experience with other RPGs I should just mindlessly slog through every single game I play just because it's "muh suikoden". Retarded corporate shill boomer. Go buy another product

>>11855445 (OP)
Suikoden 1 is like 20 hours at most

>>11855508
>SaGa Frontier
Sounds at least slightly more ambitious than traversing narrow hallway dungeons and spamming attack and heal over and over again. I'll check it out.

Idk but the third one for ps2 is awesome and the ost is fire.

>>11855480
Yeah, you probably should do that. Maybe clean your room and your mom'll buy you a Switch 2 and some nuggies with the Wuhan Szechuan sauce like Mort & Ricky like.

>Phone poster
>PS1 mobile emu
Saaaaaar do not reedeem Suikoden on phone okie? do the needful saaar

>>11855838
See how they lash out when their Itty bitty gen x feelings are hurt, because it's more than just a game to them. Snake was the father they never had, that's why MGS2 flopped so hard when it released. They wanted daddy back. Don't badmouth daddy.

>>11855848
I'm ashamed to admit I haven't lurked enough to understand this

>>11855445 (OP)
JRPGs are mostly about the story/adventure. Some can have gameplay outside the standard mold but for most it's secondary.

>>11855976
JRPG Story: The world's gonna end unless you travel through 8 dungeons and fight some guy you've never seen or even heard mentioned until the final quarter of the game. You can talk to 500 NPCs but none of them have anything important or interesting to say, except for maybe the cardinal direction you need to travel to your next destination

>>11855445 (OP)
>>11855461
The feeling of gathering an army along with a relatively quick and straightforward battle system are the best parts in my opinion. If you don't enjoy seeing the base grow over time and unlocking new features by recruiting characters, the game probably just isn't for you. Spritework and music are pretty good too but not the best for the genre on the system

It's short, the story is great, so are the many characters you meet or even recruit. The music is one of the best vidya has to offer to this day.

>Admittedly I'm only 20 minutes into the game

>>11855974
Jesus christ you're such a fucking newfag i hope you die on the way out

>>11855445 (OP)
the easiest way to get consistent praise is to simply not have major flaws/problems. never played it myself, but from what i hear, its simple enough that its difficult to really fuck up. so it provided a clean experience, and the nostalgia carries it. by not being bad, its automatically "good" to most people, even if its not "great". thats about it.

>>11855974
Mgs2 flopped on release.

One of the best selling ps2 games of all time.

What did the moron mean by this?

>>11855517
>g-g-go buy a-another game rom then!!
hey at least you tried

>>11855517
>g-g-go buy a-another game rom then!!
hey at least you tried

>>11855974
I believe you're looking for /v/

>Admittedly I'm only 20 minutes into the game

/vr/ 2025

>>11856378
"It takes at least 2 hours before the game suddenly changes and becomes good"

What a fucking joke of a thread

>>11855480
>mgs bad
Feel free to go back to /v/ faggot

>>11856098
This is the zoomie tell, they always post their opinions on things immediately. He's not even out of the fucking castle.

>>11855445 (OP)
Janky charm

Odessa is my waifu

>>11855532
It does sound like you're looking for a Saga game or one of the more autistic Megami Tensei games
For a pseudo-/vr/ rec I enjoyed Crystal Project a lot, felt like FFV + Paper Mario + a few other games

>>11855445 (OP)
DID SOMEONE SAY "OF ALL TIME"? ! :D :D :D

>>11855974
Why are you people here. Why do you feel comfortable posting without lurkmoaring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO-3deOP-aE

>>11856018
>he world's gonna end unless you travel through 8 dungeons and fight some guy you've never seen or even heard mentioned until the final quarter of the game

>>11856098
Yeah this dude is a living parody. A sad thread. I don't like seeing people debase themselves in this way.

>>11856407
erhm you probably spent more time on this thread than on the game

>>11856098

>>11855480
>MGS, another overhyped PS1 game that disappointed me

>>11855480
You're going through the video game equivalent of the Oedipus complex and you've seen it a thousand times here. You think dismissing all the classics of your fathers makes you and your taste grow by opposition, but what you don't realize is that on the contrary it makes you shallow for not being able to appreciate things for what they are, especially when your opinion is based on "I've played for 5 mins"

>>11855445 (OP)
>touch screen controls

ISHYGDDT

>>11856378
>>11856407
>>11857431
Not OP, but I think if a game takes two hours to become good, it's a waste of time. PACING IS KEY. If a game doesn't grip me right from the start, I'm not going to bother.

>>11857689
But when you grip your cock, isn't the journey or the climax the most important part?

>>11855458
>>11855532
if you want the polar opposite from a turn based rpg play tactics ogre luct. the psp remake with the fan mod is the definitive way to play the game. great story, huge mechanical depth, well balanced without a firm 'meta', etc. the main story is a chill casual playthrough that doesn't necessitate knowing the full depth of the game mechanics but the game has ng+, a huge amount of side content and a lot of post-game content that actually does require and reward knowing how the game works. fan mod's actively developed and gets regular updates still to this day.
playthroughs slowly introduce mechanics and the game starts to take off and battles become way more fun around chapter 2-3. new players should be told you're meant to recruit a lot and you can recruit monsters. fan mod has more classes than slots the cartridge can support in the party menu and everything except 1 class is good.
tactics ogre luct+fanmod is probably the peak of these classic turn based rpg's unless you play entirely for story. even then though the story on its own is a strong entry.

whoops image got mangled

>>11857639
>>11857626
>>11856437
>>11856348
>>11856237
Lmao pathetic man babies proving my point. Never insult their beloved classics, it gives them identity crisis.
>"The game i played when I was 13 years old was the best game ever"

>>11857431
Retards think it really takes hours to figure out whether a game is good or not. >"B-b-but you have to play all 20 hourssss"
Nope, I'm just gonna uh decide within the first 15 minutes if a game is good. And you can't stop me lol.

>>11857786
Based recommendation. Strategy games are peak, once you get into them it's hard to go back to JRPGs.

>>11858672

Dude you parade your deference to older people around relentlessly in this thread. You're a baby. Don't pretend you're above all this and just laughing knowingly about it after spending most of your posts in the thread getting all prickly because the people you view as your superiors reacted negatively to your shallow opinion. If you were above it all, if you were anything but an insecure ACTUAL baby, then you wouldn't be so threatened by the merely figurative man-babies here that you need to constantly honor their replies with this show of "punching up" at them. And you would actually TALK ABOUT THE GAME.

Grow up and respect yourself enough to ignore this repetitive nonsense. You can perceive "just another JRPG" but you can't perceive "just another kid with low self-awareness" yet. Change that.

>>11858816
>you parade your deference to older people around relentlessly in this thread

This entire board, no this entire website is anti-young people. Anti zoomie, anti newfag, anti anyone who doesn't just parrot the same basic ass opinions over and over again. Yes I'm tired of listening to you smug oldfags who think Ocarina of Time and MGS are the only games that matter.

>TALK ABOUT THE GAME

I don't know if you want me to talk about Suikoden or MGS. They're both "fine". They are both without apparent flaw. Metal Gear Solid is the most basic 3D stealth game, for some reason it gave all you 80s babies sexual awakenings now you can't cum unless you're thinking about Hideo Kojima, a man who I'm convinced actually hates video games and gamers. He made a 100 hour errand simulator just because he knew you retards would be chomping at the bit to play it. MGS has nothing interesting to say except "war bad". It's not even worth critique it's just a game that isn't terrible.

>the people you view as your superiors reacted negatively to your shallow opinion

Shallow because it's not your opinion. All I said was MGS was a disappointment to me, and was struck by insults to my intelligence and maturity by insecure man children and when I respond to their insults in kind I'm called out. I'm not self aware? Of course not.

>>11858995
Goes on a tangent.

Never addresses how a game he claimed flopped actually sold millions of copies.

>>11859031
>It was the sequel to metal Gear Solid 1

Fucking mystery solved, so act like it wasn't criticized and complained about for 20 years because Solid snake wasn't in it

>>11857689
You're going to miss out on a lot of good games with this mindset, especially RPGs.

>>11859484
Who says I have to like everything you like? Everyone's got their own preferences when it comes to video games. I'm generally not big on RPGs unless they're well paced and have a very strong gameplay component. A lot of people love Final Fantasy X but I fucking detest that game.

The second game is waaaay better than the first

>>11857639
>You're going through the video game equivalent of the Oedipus complex and you've seen it a thousand times here.

yeah lil guy seems to be having a bit of an episode

>>11859052
Claims Solid Snake wasn’t in MGS2.

Play as Solid Snake and he’s all throughout the plant missions.

What did the retard mean by this?

>>11859052
Sure, just like how all the Final Fantasy and Pokemon sequels were hated because they had different protagonists.

>>11855445 (OP)
All classic JRPGs are middling to garbage. For any 100 point score for a JRPG, subtract 25 points.

>>11857689
Suikoden I is super short. By two hours you have your castle and are recruiting if you're not retarded.

But OP is retarded so he's gonna take longer

>>11855505
If you call people zoomers for not liking something you like you're admitting you only like it due to nostalgia.

>>11855974
youre right dude the zoom newfag stench can be smelt from miles

>>11858995
>This entire board, no this entire website is anti-young people. Anti zoomie, anti newfag
yes. you're a whiny annoying faggot who thinks too highly of himself for nothing. just leave.

>>11855445 (OP)
>Admittedly I'm only 20 minutes into the game

>>11858995
>I'm tired of listening to you smug oldfags who think Ocarina of Time and MGS are the only games that matter.
you mald when you can't get into games lauded as classic. you see the big boys praising them and feel mad that you can't see what they do. but you're so self-centred you'd rather think that everyone is wrong and throw a fit instead of giving it more time and trying to see the appeal. oot has a lot of historic value. citizen kane of games.
you just look like a turbofaggot with no taste to anyone. if you don't want to be seen like that stop behaving like this, dude. just read the replies here.

>>11855445 (OP)
>Admittedly I'm only 20 minutes into the game
so retarded it feels like parody. captures the zoomie very well