>Tekken 3
>"you see, Ogre has killed all these Tekken 2 characters, absorbed their souls and now uses their signature moves"
>later Tekkens
>"uh, ackshyally he didn't kill them, they are alive and we're bringing them back because we have no balls to kill the characters off"
That was lame

>>11858608 (OP)
It's a fighting game. The playable characters should always take precedence over whatever lame story they came up with to add flavour.

>>11858628
I cringe whenever someone brings up the story and lore of Mortal Kombat, even though I know Midway put a lot of effort into pretending anyone would give a shit about MK's story with the comics and Mythologies.

>>11858628
SNK ain't afraid of killing characters and bringing them back only for dreammatch games

>>11858608 (OP)
>not having the balls to kill of characters
It's a company making a (get this) business decision after decades of fans clamoring for the return of this character and that character.

He killed the original King though

>>11858628
i disagree, but in the end this is just a matter of personal taste.

>>11858662
>SNK ain't afraid of killing characters and bringing them back only for dreammatch games

At least they weren't till 15

>>11858641
People do care about MKs story, it's what like 80 percent of the fanbase cares about most.

Gen-Z doesn't get this because they weren't alive in the 90s despite being obsessed with pretending they were, the difference between MK and other fighting games is that they SUCCESSFULLY turned their series into multi-media, the 1995 movie alone is one of the staple 90s kid nostalgia films. SF tried, but failed, really only getting anime fans into it which wasn't as big of a kid's niche as it became by the 00s post-Toonami.

Also, nobody really cares about characters dying and coming back to life, if you ever read a comic book (which matters, if you're American and were born before 1995) you were already used to this shit. TMNT brought back Shredder, nobody cared, we weren't obsessed with continuity and "lore"

>>11858608 (OP)
Ogre is kinda lame to me in general, Tekken had cool looking characters but never a really cool final boss other than DevilKaz. Devil oddly fit in with Tekken's homage style that ripped off plenty of shit just like MK did, but Ogre being this supernatural Aztec deity seemed out of place in the series which leaned more to scifi than anything, Devil plotline aside

>>11859894
None of Tekken final bosses are scifi.
>Heihachi
>Devil
>Ogre
>Unknown
>Jinpachi
>Azazel
>Kazumi
Neither is Tekken itself. It only has some mild scifi elements like most other fighting games

>>11860025
What I mean is it leans more to scifi than fantasy/supernatural, aside from devil/angel and ogre, but while devil is a devilman ripoff and kinda fits with Tekken ripping off/homaging other media, including anime, Ogre seems totally out of place with the themes of the series

>>11858608 (OP)
With characters like this, I sometimes wonder what their original move set would have been like. How did they fight like to defeat these warriors?

>>11858608 (OP)
Ogre is cool. Partially a Cell rip off, partially an amalgamation of the 1990s sci fi tropes about ancient aliens building pyramids on earth.

>>11860038
I get what you mean, with Tekken even all the supernatural elements feel "Japanese" in a way, even their conceptions of devils and angels have an almost visual kei feel so while not necessarily ancient/feudal Japan it does have a modern Japanese vibe. The Aztec look detracts a bit from it. It's done pretty well in part two of JoJo but those series are meant to evoke different cultures/genres/themes so it works.

>>11861174
Yeah, I think he's the most unique tekken boss too. Not another mishima or a devil gene holder.

i'm just glad my boi Paul avoided that shit

>>11861248
Tekken series has four mexican and two native characters. It's not jap only party. Hell, out of 21 Tekken 3 characters only two are japanese.

>>11858608 (OP)
i personally just like the idea he ripped jun's head off but she just got better somehow

And the fanbase doesn't care about legacy characters. Leroy is more popular than almost the entire T1 and T2 roster.

>>11863327
I can't make myself care about any post-T5DR characters. Alisa is cute but that's it. I can't tell Miguel from Claudio. Or who the fuck is Catarina. They all are generic instagram models to me.

>>11863347
That's not the audience's perception of Pre T7 games people only know the Mishimas, Paul, Law, the sisters and King. They don't know the other characters

>>11863358
Yoshimitsu, Xiaoyu, Hwoarang, Bryan, Armor King, Asuka, Lili

>>11863372
For me it's the Changs even though I admit they are less popular than these.

>>11863372
>Yoshimitsu, Xiaoyu, Hwoarang, Bryan, Armor King, Asuka, Lili

Of these 6 characters 3 are only popular in Japan, Armor is just King and doesn't count and Yoshi is popular everywhere.

>>11863347
I prefer retro 3D fighters in general. VF, DoA, Bloody Roar, old Tekkens. Tekken 8 doesn't do it for me but 7 was decent.

>>11863421
>Armor is just King
Literally what

>>11863421
That's 7 and AK plays way different from King

Unknown is my favorite Tekken boss but Ogre is close second

I've only just realized that True Ogre p2 costume is basically a chimera

>>11863443
Wow she flat

>>11858628
True but the story shouldn't stomp all over the characters then. If characters might ever be brought back then they shouldn't be killed in the first place. What OP described is definitely lame, and could easily have been avoided. (Characters whose gimmick is that they copy moves from other characters are always lame anyway and should never ever exist.)

>>11863449

>>11858608 (OP)
>caring about fighting game lore
fucking retard lol

>>11858641
MK has the best story of any fighting game series, and it's one of the main draws of the series. You sound retarded.

>>11863784
>multiverse reboot slop
>le best story

>>11863842
anon we're on /vr/, he doesn't mean the new one

for my contribution: shang tsung is based as hell. his existence in mk3 proves you can do comeback characters without cringe

>>11863784
The only reason there were people that bought the 3D games

>>11863842
>>11864053
Even with its retarded reboot, it still manages to be more investing somehow than KOF, Samurai Shodown, Street Fighter, or Tekken.

>>11864087
That and the fact that Deadly Alliance actually plays pretty good.

>>11858608 (OP)
It was just an excuse to have Tekken 3's cast be mostly new characters. It's weird when you think about it, a lot of fighting games at the time usually get criticized for shaking up the roster too much, but Tekken 3 is about the only one that gets outright praise for it.

>>11858628
You are correct but there ware ways to write your story where it's still decent and there's still some stakes but you don't kill the main cast off only to revive them later.

>>11858662
>didn't play KOFXIV

>>11864326
That's because T3 cast was straight up upgrade. Jin had new cool moves over Kaz. Same about Julia and Michelle, Forest and Marshall, King 2 and King, Hwoarang and Baek, Bryan and Bruce, Gunjack and Jack 2. Plus, they solved the issue of clone characters. Kunimitsu was mostly just a fem Yoshimitsu. Wang was a male Chang, Devil was Kaz with lasers, P. Jack was Jack 2 with couple of different moves 2. AK was the most unique clone because the addition of Mishima moves makes his playstyle different from regular King - maybe the only character missing from T3 cast.
When Namco added missing T2 characters back to Tag, they had to come up with new moves for them so that the cast didn't feel like too much clones.
In Street Fighter terms, everyone was cool with Charlie in Alpha. Guile was a fan favorite but Charlie was a good substitute. But then with SF3 when vanilla didn't even had Chun Li people were not happy.

>>11864326
no one cared about tekken back then. T3 was the first for most people

>>11865383
Only if you were a third worldie and/or didn't own a PSX.

>>11865393
Not true. Maybe Tekken was huge in like black/Mexican ghettos at the Chinese Laundromat cabinet but it didn't really make a splash in the mainstream till three

>>11866945
Before FF7 every kid who had a PSX played Tomb Raider, Crash, Resident Evil and Tekken 2. In fact among these titles Tekken 2 was the second best selling here in the US behind Tomb Raider. Only people who didn't own a PSX didn't care about those games. I am talking about middle-class mostly white neighborhood.

>>11860025
>mild sci-fi elements
>story revolves around cloning dinosaurs with cloaking devices

>>11867123
you are just proving me right. If the psx was a luxury toy for the rich kids then obviously no one but them cared.

>>11867123
Nah, Twisted Metal was the biggest game for normies not nerds. Tekken was wasn't normie accepted till 3

>>11867180
Pax was the cheapest console of the time by far, it's part of why it stole Saturns initial spot

>>11867286
Out of the major 1996 psx releases Tekken 2 outsold Twisted Metal 2, Resident Evil, Crash and Mortal Kombat Trilogy in the states alone and was outsold only by Tomb Raider. This is as normie as it gets.

>>11867286
NTA but why trying to push a false narrative if you weren't there? What's the point?

>>11867123
Britfag here, T2 was very popular over here too

>>11860025
>It only has some mild scifi elements
You haven't played any of the Tekkens past 3.

>>11867467
What about Tag?

>>11867424
I was there, perhaps youre in your 40s though. I was a kid mid 90s, and nobody gave a shit about Tekken, it was still all about SF and MK, Tekken boomed with 3 in my demographic

Tekken honestly confuses me too, because despite it having eventually boomed, it's still not iconic, nobody can name any Tekken characters unless theyre fans but every girl talks about MK because their brother played it, everyone shouts HADOOOOKEN and knows ryu/ken, Tekken despite selling a lot, is totally foreign to casuals still

>>11867779
You were six in 1996, of course you were younger than the psx target audience and missed a lot of games that were popular during that year because kids your age didn't talk about them.

>>11867812
>r because kids your age didn't talk about them.
We did, talked a lot about crash, i had like ten crash OCs and drew Twisted Metal art that got me in trouble at school all the time. Fandom is thickest with kids

It's why older audiences didn't like the MK movie
>bruh no blood
Even though, nobody in MK dies save for a few in the whole original series

>>11867812
I was 8 and me and my friends played Tekken 2 a lot. It was THE fighting game to own at home. Still it was eclipsed and replaced by Tekken 3.

>>11867890
I played both at the same time but completely missed the first tekken game